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Desire 2.4 and 3.0

Hi there. I have been thinking, if there is android 2.4 rom for HTC Desire. I am using cyanogen mod 7 (2.3.3) and I am satisfied with it, but I want the latest one. And also is there any stable release of honeycomb around there?
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The simple answer for both questions is "No".
2.3 is the latest, 2.4 probably won't be out sometime. If it were you'd see it in the dev section.
Honeycomb is for tablets. If you want it, buy a tablet. There are devs working on porting it to the Desire, but to be honest, I don't see the point.

2.4 is 2.3 for dual core phones (not desire) 3.0 is 2.3 for tablet both are pointless on desire you would notice no difference to 2.3

Thank you very much. I will buy tablet with honeycomb, but I just wanted to try it out on my Desire. And I thought 2.4 was for every phone, but thanks for correcting me.

bob1369 said:
2.4 is 2.3 for dual core phones (not desire) 3.0 is 2.3 for tablet both are pointless on desire you would notice no difference to 2.3
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Sorry, but no
Probable, 2.4 will be a first implementation of some of the 3.0 features to phones, not only for dual core phones!! Im pretty sure that HTC will release a 2.4 for Desire.

bob1369 said:
2.4 is 2.3 for dual core phones (not desire) 3.0 is 2.3 for tablet both are pointless on desire you would notice no difference to 2.3
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Looks to me like thats pure assumption. 2.3 is not 3.0.
Neither is 2.4 2.3 for dual cores.
It is speculated that 2.4 will support dual core phones.
However there is nothing officially stating any of the above, so I'm not sure where this info of yours comes from.

3.0 was built from scratch purely for tablets, it has absolutely nothing to do with any previous version.
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Barnabas4ever said:
Hi there. I have been thinking, if there is android 2.4 rom for HTC Desire. I am using cyanogen mod 7 (2.3.3) and I am satisfied with it, but I want the latest one. And also is there any stable release of honeycomb around there?
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it is possible to flash the honeycomb port to your desire if you desperatelty want 2 test it al though allotta features wont work. but if u r in it just to get a look at honeycomb, give her a try

Terepin said:
3.0 was built from scratch purely for tablets, it has absolutely nothing to do with any previous version.
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Where do you get this from? It's certainly not built from scratch. A couple of devs even think that the reason Google is not releasing the source code of 3.0 is because it's just a bunch of hacks.

2.3 and 2.4 are so similar that some manufacturers don't bother differentiating between them it's mainly sn update for developers and compatibility with 3.0 which is simply for larger screens e.g. ui changes and modified api's

Afaik Google renamed version 2.4 you saw on a device on mwc in Barcelona to 2.3.3 because there were too little changes from the first release of gingerbread on the nexus s to "2.4"
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bob1369 said:
2.3 and 2.4 are so similar that some manufacturers don't bother differentiating between them it's mainly sn update for developers and compatibility with 3.0 which is simply for larger screens e.g. ui changes and modified api's
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Pure speculation.
Source?

mr_norris said:
Pure speculation.
Source?
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Engadget claimed HTC were describing ll their phones as 2.3 when some actually run a version normally referred to as 2.4 they said this was to avoid confusion, personally i would have called them all 2.4

bob1369 said:
Engadget claimed HTC were describing ll their phones as 2.3 when some actually run a version normally referred to as 2.4 they said this was to avoid confusion, personally i would have called them all 2.4
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if im still wrong im sorry but i do know the difference isn't great

bob1369 said:
2.3 and 2.4 are so similar that some manufacturers don't bother differentiating between them it's mainly sn update for developers and compatibility with 3.0 which is simply for larger screens e.g. ui changes and modified api's
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2.4 is nothing more than 2.3 with dual-core support. And it isn't out yet.

Im sure we will get an icecream port which is just like honeycomb for phones.
this is a quote out of some news i read. some of you probably already know this
but for those that dont this could be usefull :
Details on Ice Cream
According to an interview between PhoneScoop and Google Android Engineering Director Dave Burke, Ice Cream will bring Honeycomb's "Action Bar" to Gingerbread. This is the bar that brings the contextual, app-specific buttons to the top of the screen.
Burke also said that Honeycomb's "System Bar" (the bar at the bottom) may not come to phones, but would remain a tablet-only feature. The hologram-esque visual styling found in Honeycomb will arrive in Ice Cream, though, as will Honeycomb's multi-tasking app switcher functionality.

Kernel 3.0?

Hi there,
I've just join this zone for haft a month and wanna to do something with this `Dev Dream Phone`. (I'm talking about G2 & Desire Z in this thread)
I see there are many ICS ROMs ported from CM9, MIUI v4 but not see any kernel 3.0 for it.
I think this thread could help to discuss and help to merge current branch of kernel 2.6.35 to 3.0 then we will have more features from v3, compatible with ICS, less problem and good performance since inherited many improvement from v3.
So, for get started with, I will need someone who know exactly current state of development / port for this device. It will be more easy after we have a clearly view.
Some questions:
- Which is best kernel implemented / tweaked / modded known work for ICS or GB on this device ?
- Where are there repositories?
- Any effort to port kernel 3.0 to make it work on this device?
- Anyone success to boot a ROM with kernel 3.0?
- Any problem we are facing?
Update 1:
- Sensation HTC Kernel HTC 3.0.16: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1448799
Thank you for reading and wishing we will have success with this update.
Regard & Cheer from Vietnam
Voice of Uoc Nguyen

We need to wait for a leaked version of a 3.0 kernel for our chipset, don't we ? Maybe the leak of the Sensation XL ROM that was posted about recently might help (Sensation XL has same chipset as DHD, i.e. same as us).
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Yeah, I think so, it is easier for us while Sensation has same chipset as our devices.

fyi:
https://github.com/nexx/htc-kernel-msm7x30-3.0
good luck

quote from (today) rmk's twitter
@rmk40
Looks like the release ICS base from HTC is out for the Sensation. Will be working on updating Virtuous Sensation this weekend.
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The Sensation is not msm7x30 and will not help in anyway.

Just check Sensation and see it is using difference chipset: Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8260, but at least it is HTC & Qualcomm so, hope it will be not very difficult!

Sensation is a different chipset, but Sensation XL is the same as ours
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What's wrong?
I browse specs on pdadb.net and see that all Sensation phones are using MSM 82xx while our is MSM 72xx
FYI, http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3094&c=htc_sensation_xl_x315__bass_htc_runnymede

tiger2wander said:
What's wrong?
I browse specs on pdadb.net and see that all Sensation phones are using MSM 82xx while our is MSM 72xx
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Not all MSM82xx are the same as ours. Sensation (Pyramid) uses MSM8260, which is a different chipset (e.g. Adreno 220 GPU vs our Adreno 205). Sensation XE uses that too. Sensation XL uses MSM8255 and that's the same as Desire HD and Desire S, which is also the same chipset (just different clock speed) as our MSM7230.
So ICS for Sensation XL will help us a lot (same chipset). ICS for Sensation or Sensation XE doesn't really help us at all.
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.

Forget about getting kernel source from HTC. It isn't going to happen. This work has to be done the HARD WAY.

dhkr234 said:
Forget about getting kernel source from HTC. It isn't going to happen. This work has to be done the HARD WAY.
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Nope, I have to disappoint you but once htc releases the kernel for the Sensation XL, Desire S or Desire HD, we will be able to reuse most of that for our devices. Also the leak of the XL will be a great base to start building a fully functioning ics rom (with proper gpu and camera drivers). So chin up and be positive
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???
HTC has already released kernel source for previous releases, so they'll do the same for ICS. Maybe you were referring to the source for proprietary drivers which they won't release, but that's fine because we don't need that anyway, we can just use the compiled libraries etc (e.g. we don't have HTC source code for some of the drivers for Gingerbread for our phone, but we still have lots of great GB ROMs).
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.

HTC have GB upgrade via OTA then we have a lots of GB ROMs is of course, ICS is a bit harder but we have many ROMs here anyway
And this device is absolutely open everything then it is not very hard to get something work except when we reach limit of technical like memory size, Internal Storage or CPU power...
So, be positive

Htc one x kernel 3 source released

HTCdev releases the kernel source 3 for the HTC One X.
www.htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads

Hold or horses this is for the american snapdragon 4 One X

hamdir said:
Hold or horses this is for the american snapdragon 4 One X
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Yep. Would be surprised to see HTC release source for something they haven't released the binaries for, and therefore are not obliged to.

kkrazzyyguy said:
HTCdev releases the kernel source 3 for the HTC One X.
www.htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads
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HTC are not gonna release 3.0 source code until they release OTA for one X including 3.0 kernel...
and even after that it might take time before htc makes it public

This is strange did Vodafone Germany release a snapdragons 4 version under the one x label?

o2 Germany did as I've seen the RUU for it

EddyOS said:
o2 Germany did as I've seen the RUU for it
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well that explains! thanks
seems HTC is determined not to release the Tegra 3 One X source in a timely matter

hamdir said:
well that explains! thanks
seems HTC is determined not to release the Tegra 3 One X source in a timely matter
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Here if you want it
RUU_Evita_UL_O2_DE_1.92.207.3_Radio_0.18a.32.09.08_2_10.95.32.20L_release_265738_signed.exe
The 2.17.401.2 kernel source is online as well but it's a patch for the 1.29.401.7 kernel source

EddyOS said:
Here if you want it
RUU_Evita_UL_O2_DE_1.92.207.3_Radio_0.18a.32.09.08_2_10.95.32.20L_release_265738_signed.exe
The 2.17.401.2 kernel source is online as well but it's a patch for the 1.29.401.7 kernel source
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haha thanks yup i can see EVITA i believe u
no i don't need it i was just wondering about hte One X kernel 3.0.8 release for Vodaphone germany, i didn't know Snapdragon 4 was released in europe under the One X label
as for the kernel source is it really? i checked the supplement files i think its some needed files for NFC applications / iptables, it has nothing to do with the kernel source
2.17 kernel include a lot more, like the new ondemand governor

hamdir said:
haha thanks yup i can see EVITA i believe u
no i don't need it i was just wondering about hte One X kernel 3.0.8 release for Vodaphone germany, i didn't know Snapdragon 4 was released in europe under the One X label
as for the kernel source is it really? i checked the supplement files i think its some needed files for NFC applications / iptables, it has nothing to do with the kernel source
2.17 kernel include a lot more, like the new ondemand governor
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I just saw the CRC file and assumed it was an add-on. I don't know kernels so obviously could be wrong!
As for the XL, I'm wondering if the UK will get it as 4G is coming in later this year. You can buy them unbranded 4G One X at the moment but it's not an EU software build

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Please close this thread. The Kernel 3 is for HTC One XL though they mentioned it as HTC ONE X.

kkrazzyyguy said:
Please close this thread. The Kernel 3 is for HTC One XL though they mentioned it as HTC ONE X.
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they did because in certain market they call the One XL as One X like in america and apparently germany too

Unfortunately, I think it's too late, the One XL / One X nomenclature boat has sailed.
I think we'll have to find something better, perhaps s720e or PJ46100, but it's hard to tell what your phone is that way (well, a quick search has hardly allowed me to find the variations, I have found s720b and PJ46110).
There are too many variations, especially when you consider network band variations of the One XL, too.

BenPope said:
Unfortunately, I think it's too late, the One XL / One X nomenclature boat has sailed.
I think we'll have to find something better, perhaps s720e or PJ46100, but it's hard to tell what your phone is that way (well, a quick search has hardly allowed me to find the variations, I have found s720b and PJ46110).
There are too many variations, especially when you consider network band variations of the One XL, too.
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So one x locked by at&t and rogers in u.k have s4 dual core processor..
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sumeshd said:
So one x locked by at&t and rogers in u.k have s4 dual core processor..
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I don't know what you said.
The dual core snapdragon was called the XL and supported LTE, the Tegra3 was called X and doesn't support LTE.
Then AT&T had a dual core snapdragon, with LTE (but slightly different tech to the XL) and they called it the One X. Then Rogers joined the party, then Optus. Now it's all a mess.

BenPope said:
I don't know what you said.
The dual core snapdragon was called the XL and supported LTE, the Tegra3 was called X and doesn't support LTE.
Then AT&T had a dual core snapdragon, with LTE (but slightly different tech to the XL) and they called it the One X. Then Rogers joined the party, then Optus. Now it's all a mess.
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That was my question..if It's s4 processor then y one x and not one xl..u answered it..thank u..
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GPL Compliance
BenPope said:
Yep. Would be surprised to see HTC release source for something they haven't released the binaries for, and therefore are not obliged to.
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please please get this through your head. if it contains GPL code (and the linux kernel is GPLv2, and android uses the linux kernel), then the fact that the binaries are *already* on the phone means that they ARE obliged - on request - to provide the source code.

lkcl said:
please please get this through your head. if it contains GPL code (and the linux kernel is GPLv2, and android uses the linux kernel), then the fact that the binaries are *already* on the phone means that they ARE obliged - on request - to provide the source code.
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On Aug 24th, when I said that, there were no released binaries on this phone for kernel 3. In fact, the binaries still haven't been released proper, although they have gone out for testing on the elevate program. It would be a tad onerous if every time you successfully compiled your code you had to release the source. There is nothing I need to get through my head.
As the the rest of the thread describes, the OP was talking about a phone that is different to the phone this sub forum is for.

I need help
I have Htc one x (austria 3 edition) and im searching for a stock kernel for it. I will be verz happz if you saz me where i can get it. Please

German8835 said:
I have Htc one x (austria 3 edition) and im searching for a stock kernel for it. I will be verz happz if you saz me where i can get it. Please
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tegra 3 or snapdragon? do you have a nandroid backup? if yes the stock boot.img from your stock nandroid backup i inside the zipfile...if not..in original development thread or android development thread there should be somewhere one...

[Q] Android 4.4 KitKat

Hello everyone,
We all know Android 4.4 KitKat was released today(1/11/2013). Since the source will be availible, is it possible to port it to the kindle fire(1st gen)? If yes, please make a stable rom.
Thank you and have a nice day
(Wanna get rid of CM 10.1)

It will take at least a week I am guessing, because the update "will be rolling out over the following weeks" as Google said, and then people will have to port it, so just have a little bit of patience. Also, why don't you switch to CM10.2 if you don't like what your on, or AOSP for that matter, as that runs better I personally think.
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Not very likely since TI (the chip maker for the KF) won't be supporting android any more... or that's at least what I read. I'm hoping that I'm wrong though.

swaarley said:
Not very likely since TI (the chip maker for the KF) won't be supporting android any more... or that's at least what I read. I'm hoping that I'm wrong though.
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Google said it can run on low end devices, and we do have Hashcode's 3.4 Kernel

jma9454 said:
It will take at least a week I am guessing, because the update "will be rolling out over the following weeks" as Google said, and then people will have to port it, so just have a little bit of patience. Also, why don't you switch to CM10.2 if you don't like what your on, or AOSP for that matter, as that runs better I personally think.
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I cannot change too quickly. Mom allowed me only for CM 10.1, and now for CM 11(It will come, right?). Cannot do CM 10.2.

That kernel is not ready for primetime, also there is code that the chip maker will have to release code for it. See hash and others posting about it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1591850&page=276

Google says that kitkat can run on devices that have as low as 512mb RAM. We can sure overclock our processor to 1.2 GHz
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swaarley said:
That kernel is not ready for primetime, also there is code that the chip maker will have to release code for it. See hash and others posting about it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1591850&page=276
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You know, hash doesn't say anything about not getting it to work. In my opinion he clearly stated that he is really trying to get 4.4 to work. It was others that were being sceptical.
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True, the first ROM for any android version for our device is done by hash. Same case for 4.1,4.2,4.3,4.3.1
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As was previously stated, Texas Instruments is out of the microprocessor chip game and they have stopped supporting the binaries for newer versions of Android. It wasn't directly stated by Google but it's very likely that it was for that reason that they chose not to support the Galaxy Nexus in the newest iteration of Android, as it also uses a TI chip. I'd like to think that it would be possible to run Android 4.4 on the old Kindle Fire, especially since it lags pretty badly on stock, but I am afraid that the likelihood is fairly low.

True that it also what is written on hash's thread for the new kernel. He sure I trying hard and so my hopes are pretty much alive
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sparkplugDev said:
As was previously stated, Texas Instruments is out of the microprocessor chip game and they have stopped supporting the binaries for newer versions of Android. It wasn't directly stated by Google but it's very likely that it was for that reason that they chose not to support the Galaxy Nexus in the newest iteration of Android, as it also uses a TI chip. I'd like to think that it would be possible to run Android 4.4 on the old Kindle Fire, especially since it lags pretty badly on stock, but I am afraid that the likelihood is fairly low.
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They already have 4.4 Roms for the Verizon galaxy nexus...it won't get official Google support but they have gotten Roms for it:
Example:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2508073
So,is it possible? Yes. Will it take a while? Probably....don't expect it soon but as others have said hashcode is working on
It...keep your fingers crossed

Jacobloveskindles said:
They already have 4.4 Roms for the Verizon galaxy nexus...it won't get official Google support but they have gotten Roms for it:
Example:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2508073
So,is it possible? Yes. Will it take a while? Probably....don't expect it soon but as others have said hashcode is working on
It...keep your fingers crossed
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4.3 binaries can be hacked for 4.4.
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Hey guys! The wait is almost over.
There is already a build, no WiFi
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Stable build of cm 11 released, I think we can close this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47706499#post47706499
Moral: Lets always be optimistic (At least when its sensible)!
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Chipset support for new Android version?

So I'm not a developer or anything, just an enthusiast.
I was wondering something.
ROMs often don't get updated because support of the chipset has been dropped. I'm guessing this is like a driver?
If it's the same hardware, why does it need a new one? What changes in each new version of Android that means it needs a new one?
Also for those that have lost support, some devs still make ROMs. How? Do they make one themselves somehow?
I'm going to look really stupid if this is wrong.
Thanks!
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tomhurst said:
So I'm not a developer or anything, just an enthusiast.
I was wondering something.
ROMs often don't get updated because support of the chipset has been dropped. I'm guessing this is like a driver?
If it's the same hardware, why does it need a new one? What changes in each new version of Android that means it needs a new one?
Also for those that have lost support, some devs still make ROMs. How? Do they make one themselves somehow?
I'm going to look really stupid if this is wrong.
Thanks!
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This is what I understand, correct me if I am wrong.
Think Windows XP & Windows 7.
Can you use the same drivers?? maybe some but not all, since newer implementations are there (graphics stack updates [DX9 vs DX11]) that require newer drivers to work with. Especially with graphics. Even though the kernel is opensource, certain proprietary components are closed source and are always provided via precompiled blobs(Reason: It may expose proprietary IP to the competition) that will work with the version it was compiled for but not newer ones. Even documentation on these blobs are minimal to non existant.
Sadly, these blobs are the main issue and a lot of workarounds are implemented by our great devs to make older blobs work with newer android releases but at a penalty of stability loss and/or performance issues i.e HTC OneX 4.2.2 blobs are being used for 4.3 & 4.4. Sometimes if your lucky then a different phone with the same hardware is updated to a newer version with newer blobs which can be used.
Sometimes such issues escalate so much that opensource devs are driven to reverse engineering(Really difficult!!) drivers and develop opensource variants. One such example is the nouveau project on desktop linux. nouveau is a reverse engineered opensource nvidia driver and at its current state is very stable but sadly its for the desktop. Recently you may have read that nvidia is adding support for their upcoming chipset i.e Tegra K1 by adding their own patches to that driver.
Such a positive step from nvidia was recieved with great praise by the opensource community... even the ultimate Linus Torvalds himself
Article: https://www.xda-developers.com/andr...ger-salute-from-linus-for-doing-things-right/
Eventually lets hope when nvidia has no use for T3 IP that they opensource all components and they provide a way for newer drivers to be built but sadly by that time the T3 would be too old.