For as long as most android users, most have been with android since the beginning. We now have gaming, interactive apps and all sorts of cooky apps. Some to most of which are priced.
Here's an article I found trying to find Indie PC games for android "I failed".
http://www.webpronews.com/android-users-dont-want-to-pay-for-anything-2012-07 it talks about android users don't pay for apps, mostly because of root/no trial-free version.
This struck me as interesting because honestly I'd figure devs to be happy to share there work with the world for free. I honestly myself believe devs who charge just want money.
I do unfortunately buy some of these terrible products, but do give props and respect to those who do manage to make a fantastic app.
If its priced at least make it a good app, give a trial or free version.
This is where gaming comes in, obviously we know if not most games are marked with prices with no free trials and are half assed.
So I can see where piracy comes in, no one wants to pay 5.99$ for a half assed game. I've bought some games I regret and I proudly say if they release another I will pirate it. Sometimes its better to stay free, if its a great app or a dev who has done previous great work I would support them.
Yes I do pirate and I don't. Its where I stand with the devs and apps.
I'm shocked we don't pay for ROMs honestly.. these devs are fantastic at what they do and yes its for free, so props to them "unless it would be illegal which I don't believe it is" :sly:
Anyway.. I'm curious what you guys think?
Feel the same, do you support every dev in the play store?
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This is not meant to be offensive, but I might rant a bit.
Devs sharing their work for free? Have you ever programmed, taken a programming course, or had to pay 80k for a bachelors in Computer Science? It is time consuming to think of a good idea, implement it well, and then squash bugs. It takes HOURS, days, if not months.
Yes, there are devs who charge for crappy apps and I agree, some devs are greedy. However, isn't paying for an app the same logic as paying for a pizza? Yes, you can make one yourself, but its not like you can make a quality pizza without spending a lot in ingredients or machines (ovens, etc)--you're paying for the convenience of it being done already for you.
This applies to apps as well. You may be able to program something similar given enough time, but you are paying for the convenience and their time for making the app for you to use. Just because it is digital and not tangible doesn't make it any less work.
Now I agree that there should be some sort of trial for an app to see whether or not its good or that you like it. Unfortunately, the world doesnt run on this type of honesty and nobody would pay if it were offered for free. Thats why devs have to charge and thats why some people pirate. However, if you do pirate, please throw the developer some money if you really enjoy their app or use it frequently, otherwise if they go broke, how will they keep developing your favorite app?
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You are right.
No argument* I want it to be a clean talk amongst android users.
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I don't see this thread going anywhere but down hill and fast
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Same goes for PC games. PC gamers can't rent games so they pirate. If you buy a PC game , guess what, you're stuck with it.
But, as for android apps at least we can get a refund which eleviates the need for a trial in some circumstances
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Piracy is a huge issue on Android, but like any thing you just have to put a little effort into making it more difficult to crack. Although a lot of people say that leaving it free with ads actually makes them more money then charging for it.
http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/26/how-free-apps-can-make-more-money-than-paid-apps/
edit: if you like indie games you should check out the humble bundle
OP, your logic is horrible. I do applaud your honesty, no matter how awful I believe it to be. Devs create content have a free will choice to make, and those who charge are well within their rights to do so. NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO STEAL, EVER. Now, having said that, some devs create content as their job. How can they buy food and pay rent if people steal their stuff. This thread is a failure, other than highlighting the challenge Google has in locking down Android to prevent piracy but still allow side loading and customizing.
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Didn't jellybean announce new device specific encryption for apps. Though I'm doubting it won't be cracked...
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msavic6 said:
Didn't jellybean announce new device specific encryption for apps. Though I'm doubting it won't be cracked...
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Yup says that in the article.
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You're basically asking for a carpenter to build a house and give it away for free. Development costs time and money, and they have every right to ask back so that they can continue.
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I think everyone likes free stuff，this is normal
When i was new to android, i swore i would never pay for an app or game, and was happy that way. Then i got titanium backup and loved it, but hated that i couldn't batch restore, so i broke down and bought premium. Then i started frequenting these forums, seeing how much effort some of these devs out into their apps, games, etc. Now i pay for them, gladly, an i look for paid apps by respected devs first. Mostly i do it for functionality, but also to support. Titanium Backup, Franco kernel, CWM touch recovery, root explorer and many more I've bought and will gladly continue to do so. I get better apps and i support further development. Win/win in my book.
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Right, because 5.99 is such an exorbitant price... so many other things that I could do with that money that would have lasting value... wait. No, not really.
If you don't want to spend the money on the app then you don't really want it. Don't steal.
Because of this thinking and abuse Android is full of crap adware/push adware games, and you don't see most quality games released for Android. That is so sad.
I just have one question: do you work for free? Or do your poor employer have to shell out some bucks to have you working there? Yes, I wonder why those bastard devs charge for they hard work, or use those ad craps to try to get some money out of their hard work...
And also, you say, there is a lot of sh1tware, yes, there are, as there are a lot of sh1temployees.... You hire them, they do not do their work, they get fired... You buy sh1tware, you realize it is sh1t, then you won't ever buy anything from those bastards again... I really loved when you had an entire day to get a refund in Android Market, but them, a lot of smartass3s had to abuse it, and just use the game/app for the entire day and ask for a refund, doing that for several games/apps....
So, if Android market for games is like it is today, is just because most people think like you, either don't buy anything at all, they prefer to stick to a free ad game than paying 5-7-10 bucks for a quality game like Infinity Blade, or, worse, they just pirate it, and yes, installous and jailbreak exist for iOS, but this is not as easy as just ticking a box in settings menu and then downloading APK's from anywhere...
Don't get me wrong, I love the way Android is open, but, unfortunately, most people suck and doesn't know how to use freedom, instead, they abuse and try to get advantages out of it...
Unfortunately Google will probably end up walling their garden because of these issues, or at least surrounding it with thorn bushes
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I hate how articles act like piracy isn't an issue on other platforms....
A jailbroken iphone has tons of pirate app stores
crixley said:
I hate how articles act like piracy isn't an issue on other platforms....
A jailbroken iphone has tons of pirate app stores
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Yup. Jail broke my brother's iPhone and the first thing he ask is, "OK load it up with apps for free."
I stared at him and made him learn it himself. He did, but still, $1 doesnt kill.
I just bought COD: BOZ, a $7 app. The closest I am to pirating is "Game Sharing".
Me and my friends put each other's Gmail account(requires a lot of trust Cuz we can tamper with each other's mail & stuff) on each other's phone and share our purchased apps. Done.
I do admit I pirate once in a while(Nova 3 being one, so laggy that it wasn't worth the price.)
But there is one punishment I love about Jailbreakers, if you pirate your apps, u can't put em back in when you unjailbreak to upgrade to the next iOS.
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If I have helped you.... hit that sexy thanks button. ^_^
Pretty much all the people I know who own an iPhone or iPod touch and have it jail broken mainly did it for installous...
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Pretty much all the people I know who own an iPhone or iPod touch and have it jail broken mainly did it for installous...
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first thing that all Jailbreakers learn how to do.
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If I have helped you.... hit that sexy thanks button. ^_^
i never thoght i would pay money for apps or anything. but later on as i used android, and looked at forums, i realized that devs really do alot of work. put urself in their shoes, and first thing i thought was "why the fk should i bother making this crap if all its gonna do is go to some ungrateful persons phone and im not even gonna get a thanks". so i regularly buy apps. not only does that make the android market that much closer to being as good and as diverse as the ios market, but u also get the LEGIT app without any risks of having some weird ass **** go wrong with ur phone in a very subtle way.....
I think it's time to make this thread as there are millions of people on the game that is still in beta.
The game is Ingress and it's an augmented reality game where two factions fight it out for all man kind. Taking control of portals and working with your faction to create mind fields is the goal, the Enlightened want to conform to a collective in mind control and the Resistance wants to rid the collective mind control for humanity.
The story can be found on line at: www.ingress.com but this thread is designed to assist on the basics, it would be unfair to favor one side over another as tactics of the game are only shared with the respective factions.
Do Not post personal information here, this game puts you in a real life proximity of other players and with that in mind it is easy for something to get personal in real life even though it was not intended.
This is a place to better understand the game itself and to collaborate for the community to learn everything involved.
I do not have any control over beta codes nor does anyone else in our community, don't ask and do not try to share your account or you will be banned, they do know everything you do in the game. Do not try to sell codes given to you by Ingress as they have been known to give out batch codes that are intended to be shared not profited from.
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Sounds like fun too bad I don't have an invite.
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J-ROCK said:
Sounds like fun too bad I don't have an invite.
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To get an invite you need to be creative, you go to your Google+ account and friend Ingress then create an image or anything supporting ingress in it and post it using these shouts.
@ingress
@ingressinvite
@inhressenlightened
@ingressresistance
Make sure it's publicly viewable so others can add comments to it and the better the idea the better your chances are, the ingress site email link isn't being watched but if you watch ingress on G+ you will see they release codes in batches try to time it in those posting times.
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Great idea for a thread. I'm playing the game and I just love it. I'm sure I miss a lot of options though.
At least now I know how many android phones are in my neighborhood
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Great idea for a thread. I'm playing the game and I just love it. I'm sure I miss a lot of options though.
At least now I know how many android phones are in my neighborhood
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There are a few really good features on the desktop as well, they keep adding stuff in though. The one I thought was cool was on the desktop login when your on the map if you go over to the right and you see the +/- to zoom in there's a little yellow image of a person if you go over it with the mouse it will lean over to the left. Drag and drop that little yellow guy and it will give you street view of the location your looking at.
Finally got my invite
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The game rules!!
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The game rules!!
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I know right? Im shocked people aren't using the thread.
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Captured my first portal riding the van home from work lol
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how long does it take to get a invite from the site itself...put one in this morning...
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how long does it take to get a invite from the site itself...put one in this morning...
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If you sent in your email then they haven't even looked at those from the beginning but the best way is G+ and stay on them. I suggest getting an aftermarket battery (I bought a 4500 mAh battery online) your gonna need it.
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I think this is a great thread. The OP was well written so as not to let this thread turn into a sided one, but rather general info for all for when it comes out of beta. I'll be watching this one for sure. I've been playing for a bit now as well.
There's also a Google community (G plus) called decode ingress that discusses ingress and daily pass codes that can be used to level up.
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There's also a Google community (G plus) called decode ingress that discusses ingress and daily pass codes that can be used to level up.
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The codes are only good for a few seconds now, there's a plug-in you can download for chrome desktop that notifies you the second a code releases but it depends on how many people use it so you have to be quick about it. Go to chrome app store and search for the Ingress plugins, there's 2 of them but remember to go in settings and choose for notifications to be displayed in the top right corner. If you don't it will cover the area you have to type in the code.
There are a few places you can get info for the game, I just figured I would give the section a base location for XDA GS3 members to ask questiins and get answers that you don't have to go all over to find simple facts.
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Orical said:
The codes are only good for a few seconds now, there's a plug-in you can download for chrome desktop that notifies you the second a code releases but it depends on how many people use it so you have to be quick about it. Go to chrome app store and search for the Ingress plugins, there's 2 of them but remember to go in settings and choose for notifications to be displayed in the top right corner. If you don't it will cover the area you have to type in the code.
There are a few places you can get info for the game, I just figured I would give the section a base location for XDA GS3 members to ask questiins and get answers that you don't have to go all over to find simple facts.
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I can never get those dam codes to work!
The Archangel said:
I can never get those dam codes to work!
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Now you know why, 2 million people are trying to punch them in before everyone else.
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Orical said:
Now you know why, 2 million people are trying to punch them in before everyone else.
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I'm starting not to care about the codes
It took me about three weeks to get mine
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I'm starting not to care about the codes
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They were cool in the beginning because you got what you needed instead of hoping the farmed portals kick you back something. Now it's like pulling teeth to get anything from the portals and unless your one of those that enjoys decrypting code your kinda outta luck. Once in a while a code works but now that everyone gets the auto responses you'll be lucky to get a chance ti put ut in.
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I've noticed more people reporting that they are having a hard time getting portal keys so I'm gonna post this trick I learned a few weeks back.
You go to a portal you already have a key to and need another for that portal, make sure your just out of range to hack the target and drop the key you have for that portal. Give it at least one minute for the server to register that you dropped the key then back out of ingress, turn on ingress again and you should see the portal and the key close together , now make sure the target circle only boarders the portal and NOT the key you dropped and hack the portal you should get a key. Once you get it retreave the key you dropped. Now you have a second key to give to someone else.
I've been able to get up to 5 keys on the same portal it doesn't always cough up a key the first time you try it but it will by the second attempt because you don't have one in your items. Good hunting.
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I'm probably way out of line by making this thread but I wanted to show my gratitude to certain members and developers on this site.
I've been an iphone user for number if years and I always had a prejudice judgement on Android that it was 'DUMB' and an wanna be ios.
Well last christmas I purchased a Note II and well make the long story short.. Now my iPhone 5 serves as an Media player inside my car and that's about it.
I recently purchased the S4 for T-Mobile and I just wanted to say all the people who are claiming the same old boring UI of an IOS is the best around are simply morons.. and they should all be put into one island.
Just wanted to thank all the developers and fellow members on here for all the info and the help you share with others.
Thank YOu!!!!
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Welcome to the mad house!
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Welcome, was it easy escaping from apple island? lol
yep
i used a Iphone 4 as a coaster for a few weeks, then i stuck it in my glove box