Develop Bugs

Website running slow?

Is anyone else experiencing very slow running of this website & forums?
For the last 3 days, it has been taking a really long time for any page to load up (3-5mins). Often they just time out with server not responding. Occasionally however, pages load instantly like they should, but this is very rare!
Last night I was getting "500 - Server Error" pages when trying to view any page in the forum.
I am not getting these problems on any other website, only xda-developers. I need to work out if it is an anomaly with my ISP, or if it is a problem with xda-developers.
I am running on 5.5Mbit ADSL connection in UK with F9 (part of PlusNet). I use OpenDNS as my DNS servers. I've tried multiple computers from two different houses (both F9 though).
Thanks
Mike

Yes in the last couple of days, it is really slow

slow
same here i read somewhere else it maybe because a lot of people are downloading all the roms before they get taken off

it is slow indeed
i noticed the same here.
it is very very slow

Same here from Germany, but perhaps it's just because everyone tries to mirror the FTP-Server with all the ROMs ;-)

Nah, the slowdown started before the MS warning.

True, but sometimes is fast as usual. Especially in the evening (GMT+1)

it's not fast now...

Slow as f***

Slow Site
I agree with the other posts, this site has been running slow since I found out about it about a month ago.
It is really annoying waiting all that time for the pages to load!!
But the information on this site is brilliant and well worth the wait!!
I am not an expert on site speeds but I would put the slow speeds down to the site needing a bigger and faster server.
The Pocket PC market is really taking off now and so more and more people are seeking help and advice about their devices, so the site is bound to run slower than it was set up for.
I would be willing to donate to help speed up the site if the owners purchased a new server, presuming that is the cause of course!
Other great sites to visit are :
coolsmartphone.co.uk
modaco.com
Keep up the good work, but please make the pages load faster!

Snails pace
Here in South Africa it is virtually impossible to get onto the site.
IS THE SITE NOT BEING THROTTLED?
This has only been for the past 3 to 4 days.
Moderators please let us know what's happening
I think is time to dump my HTC products!

one of the server drives died so it has been running solo....plus all the people dowloading.....drive is been replaced.

The fact that the Inquirer.net linked to the forum post about the ROM dump being shut down by MS doesn't help our forum speeds either.. however I've noticed that the number of votes on the petition DOUBLED in just one day -- the response from the community has been quite impressive thus far. Whether or not the petition has had any benefits so far remains to be seen, however I hope for our sake that all this traffic helps out in the long run.
Time will tell.
Sir Lancealot

It's not the "time to drop HTC products".
It's time to find a more sophisticated way to store and share the ROMs, so that stupid crybabies who would call Mommy (Operator) for bleedin' warranty (!) when their XDA gets bricked won't get another chance to screw it up for everybody.
Long live HTC products. Looking for the next Universal like - VGA, WM6 Professional (Phone), GPS, lots of internal Storage so never again "9MB free" on it -- and of course "the King is dead, long live the King" -- you can't stop good work floating around.

Blame HTC not XDA
EastExpert said:
It's not the "time to drop HTC products".
It's time to find a more sophisticated way to store and share the ROMs, so that stupid crybabies who would call Mommy (Operator) for bleedin' warranty (!) when their XDA gets bricked won't get another chance to screw it up for everybody.
Long live HTC products. Looking for the next Universal like - VGA, WM6 Professional (Phone), GPS, lots of internal Storage so never again "9MB free" on it -- and of course "the King is dead, long live the King" -- you can't stop good work floating around.
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I don't think you will ever stop people bricking their devices. As long as they understand the risks it's their problem. I do feel that users with bricked devices are stupid to check in for warrantee repairs - Operators should just reject their claims.
I feel that the threat to XDA to remove ROMS will only drive the practise underground and they will loose control forever. I quote the example of the "unlocker" that was removed after a complaint about infringement of rights issue. Well this fix floats around on many sites on the internet and cannot be stopped.
I think that MS and the operators are going to loose their greatest test and development site.
I purchased my TyTn in September in the UK and right from the start it had issues that HTC knew about but continued to sell the devices. THIS TO ME IS THE UNETHICAL AND THE BLAME MUST REST SQUARELY ON THE SHOULDERS OF HTC.
Why can individuals not attemt to correct these faults?
I have waited from end September 2006 for a promised upgrade to correct the problems. I have the correspondence with HTC Europe as proof.
The TyTn is an expensive phone full of "issues"

basilrsa said:
I purchased my TyTn in September in the UK and right from the start it had issues that HTC knew about but continued to sell the devices. THIS TO ME IS THE UNETHICAL AND THE BLAME MUST REST SQUARELY ON THE SHOULDERS OF HTC.
Why can individuals not attemt to correct these faults?
I have waited from end September 2006 for a promised upgrade to correct the problems. I have the correspondence with HTC Europe as proof.
The TyTn is an expensive phone full of "issues"
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I realize that this is off topic, but I'm with Basil 100%. The bottom line is that XDA Developers is starting to make HTC and M$ look like fools, because this excellent site and its supporters are fixing issues that HTC and M$ should be fixing -- Voice Command 1.6 and BT A2DP are two that are at the top of my list. So rather than welcome this group of brilliant users (what better beta testing can you find anywhere else) and work with us, they'd rather ignore us and get into bed with the carriers/operators who are just as bad.
It shouldn't matter where we bought our devices (I purchased mine in the US from an HTC "distributor") -- these are HTC-designed and manufactured devices running the M$ OS. Therefore they should be fully supported by HTC and M$. As for "bricking" a device, most (all?) warranties state that they only cover incidental damages or issues caused by "normal" use. An operator should return a "bricked" device to the user unrepaired (if it is found to be running a "non-standard" version of the ROM firmware), with a quote for repair/replacement should the user wish to persue the matter further.
I for one hope that the iPhone turns out to be half as good as Steve Jobs says it is/will be, because I think that Apple will make M$ and its OEMs finally wake up and smell the coffee. At least Apple listen to their users and fix their problems (as few as there are) in a timely fashion. On the other hand, maybe I am living in Wonderland with Alice... ;^)
John

EastExpert said:
It's not the "time to drop HTC products".
It's time to find a more sophisticated way to store and share the ROMs, so that stupid crybabies who would call Mommy (Operator) for bleedin' warranty (!) when their XDA gets bricked won't get another chance to screw it up for everybody.
Long live HTC products. Looking for the next Universal like - VGA, WM6 Professional (Phone), GPS, lots of internal Storage so never again "9MB free" on it -- and of course "the King is dead, long live the King" -- you can't stop good work floating around.
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Yeah! Let's keep the momentum alive! We'll find a workaround ;-)

finaly
for the past 3 or 4 days i have not been able to go into the site. been getting gateway time out and till today in the morning i was able to go in but another time out right after i went to a different post at least I'm logged in right now. hope it gets back to normal

Looks like better now

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Looks like better now
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yeah I'm not getting time outs anymore

Wiskey (sic) Tango Foxtrot, Oscar?

Am I the only one who is bloody damn tired of opening a thread that appears on the first page of a forum, thinking it is new, only to find that it is six, eight, ten months old?
Wouldn't it be reasonable to have a column in the forum listings that indicates the original posting date of each thread, so that just because someone posted to a five-year old thread, which bumped it to the first bloody page of the forum, we don't have to waste time reading old news?
Ideally, old threads would just fade away to page two, then three, then four, etc. until they ride off into the sunset. What sense does it make for them to take center stage six months after their birth, just because some noob comes along and posts a "downloading now" to LVSW's WM 6 v. 0.1?
Ah, that felt good. Thanks for letting me vent. That means I won't have to stalk the dark, foggy streets around the port of Miami looking for another victim.
Ben

I mostly agree with you Ben. I look at the number of replys and views to try to determine how old a thread is. Then comes the bouncing from page to page to find the posts I haven't seen yet.
I'll admit that I'm new to XDA, so maybe there's a way of only showing the unread threads and/or posts? Then again, sometimes the older posts jog my memory about what is being discussed.
Guess with such an active message board, these sorts of issues come up. Anyone have tips they'd like to share on dealing with it?
Gavin

mikechannon said:
At the risk of becoming one of your victims on a dark and foggy night -
The approach you suggest sounds like the AT&T forum one where threads get closed when they reach a certain age. This is not the approach here. In fact we actively encourage members NOT to start new threads if an old one exists. Who wants new threads on the same thing springing up all over the place (though it seems to happen anyway!). It is a pain when searching if numerous threads turn up on the same subject - and of course there may be good info in each one but not all in the same one.
I would only make one or two exceptions to the "search and use an existing thread" rule and that might be where a thread has become dozens of pages long or has become spoiled in some way or other
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Michael, it's an honor to have a reply from you. I always enjoy your posts.
And no, you will not become one of my victims around the foggy port of Miami. Aberdeen, perhaps Actually, it is rarely foggy in Miami. Come on over and enjoy the nice weather, friend.
I take your point. However, what about the idea of a column showing the original posting date? Or, could that date somehow be made to show up in the balloon when one places the cursor over the thread's title?
I wasn't really suggesting closing out a thread, Michael. Just letting them drift to the back of the line, perhaps. But even that is not necessary. Let them come to the front page when someone posts to them, that's just dandy. But let us know that they are a week old, or a year old.
Cheers for your contributions to the fora, Michael.
By the by, PLEASE do not accuse me of proposing something that emulates the AT&T forum! Ugh. That will bring out the Mr. Hyde in me. I had a terrible experience there with the appropriately named Mod Moose over a year ago and have not been back sinece
@gavink, thank you for your reply, too. This issue is a pet peeve of mine. It doesn't seem to bother many members, though, so it looks like we will have to live with it. A very old thread can have many, many posts, or very few, by the way, so that's no help.
Regards,
Ben

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In the threads list, the thread will be highlighted in dark blue if there are new posts and to the left of the thread title is a grey box with an arrow that takes you to the first unread (by you) post.
Mike
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Thanks for the tips, Mike... Didn't know what that box was for!

mikechannon said:
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Normally I have to pay large sums of money for that sort of thing
Miami I know is fabulous - not that I've been there. Weather is undoubtedly better than here - althoughwe do like our Scots mist now and again, provided we get a decent summer.
I can suggest this to site Admin. I agree that some threads eg early threads speculating about the price of the Tilt/Kaiser are pretty usless now. Presumably though these threads just die naturally. If a thread has new posts, why does it matter what date the original post was? Just curious about this 'cos quite often I refer people to threads I and others made over a year ago - if the answers were good then, most often they still are - don't you think?
Hah! I too have fallen foul of Mod Moose. I did go back though (not often). There was a time when the mere mention of XDA on the AT&T forum was seen as something worthy of cruel and un-natural punishment.
Possessing a "pet peeve" is a breach of forum rules. In accordance with the new policy on stronger Moderation you are ordered to be a happy, contented person. Mind altering drugs are available via download from the FTP - should they be required.
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Hello, again, Mike:
As always, your replies are cogent and witty. Large sums, indeed. Please, let it be in US $, not Euros, eh? Be kind.
Well, yes, Miami is pretty fabulous. If you ever get over here, please let me know ahead of time, and we will open our house to you.
OK, I am not requesting any threads be deleted, or even re-ordered. If it were possible, all I would like to see is the date of the original posting. This would help us to avoid wasting time reopening a thread we saw six months ago. For those of my generation, who cannot remember what we did ten minutes ago, this would be very helpful.
Making the original date of the first post available just seems to make sense to my time- and whisky-addled brain. Not to be able to see the date is like publishing an old news article and hiding the date.
From the traffic on this thread, or, more accurately, paucity thereof, I guess it doesn't amount to a hill of beans, so I am going to go pour myself a wee drap of the Glenlivet now and then forget about the whole damn thing. (You see, like you, Mike, I too like the Scots "mist")
But before I sign off, forgive me the breach of forum rules. With the cup of Glenlivet, I shan't be needing any other mind-altering drugs, however.
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A wee drap o' whisky I tak' when I'm weary
My blood for to warm and my spirits to cheer
And when I sit doon I intend to be merry
So fill up a bumper and bring it round here.
(First verse of a traditional Scots song)
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One last observation that has absolutely nothing to do with nothing. Your country's flag, (displayed in your personal information at the top of your e-mails, is practically identical to the U.S. and British Navy signal flag "M." And "M" when spoken in those Navy's, and the international phonetic alphabet, is "Mike."
You have a right to be doubly proud when you see your flag, Mike.
Cheers, brother Michael!
Ben

Mike, I think we have lost the rest of the "crowd" that were already not looking at this thread. Ah, well.
The history and pictures of the whisky mills were an absolute treat. It's amazing how rustic they seem (the sheds, that is)! Thanks for sending those. I will put them into my archive. I really would like to see them in person some day. Made it to London once, but that was a long time ago, and it's not Scotland, where some of my ancestors came from (along with some from Eire.)
I've not run across Macallan. Now I have a mission to find it.
That last picture is a gem. Give me the guy's contact information. From the looks of things, I don't suppose he has an e-mail, eh? I would buy a case of his brew without thinking twice, ha, ha!
As to the "Mike" flag, just Google "Navy Signal Flags." You are in for a treat when you see Scotland's proud flag identified as "Mike. Here is a table that shows both the flags and their phonetic names:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/sfpa.htm
Regards,
Ben

Thank you, Michael. Nothing should be done if there is a cost in money or time. Clearly, not many people are very worked up about about the issue.
Kind regards
Ben

You've a good sense of humor, Mike. Uh, is the photo typical of how the Scots bring up their wee ones? No wonder they are such a feisty bunch
Cheers
Ben

Well, well, well. Methinks you have to much time on your hands, Mike. Of course, here's Ben answering you, so who am I to talk?
Check out my new avatar. I was going to use this when I joined the forum, but never got around to it. The website photo you sent me was too much to resist.
In spite of my age, as revealed now by my mugshot, I still have a bit of "bong" left. I have been feeling less "feisty" the past few months, however. Reading the article you sent, now I understand. Big Ben had lost its "bong."
Not sure those workers scurrying around the face of my, uh, inspiration are going to do much for me, though. Perhaps if one of them were "bonnie Jean" from "the streets of Aiberdeen...."
Ben
(There go my chances of getting my "original post date" request implemented by our dear Webmistress, eh?)

Most retarded bugs I have ever seen!

Hello,
I am serious considering to take back my HTC Trophy 7 because of the amount of bugs this device has. It rather feels like a prototype then a final result.
How the **** can Microsoft take so long to develope a Operating System and deliver it in this state. The product itself came with a lack of features. But even those minimal amount of features that are now their are full with bugs.
Marketplace crashes, Zune crashes. Random reboots. But today I have encountered the most strange bug I have ever encountered in a phone. I call someone, and I get someone completely else from my contact list on the phone. I send someone a text message, and yet again it gets sended to a completely diffrent person. I have deleted the person and re-added him. Yet again the same bug.
What the ****. I paid 480 euro for this phone. A phone which cannot call or text-message propperly on of the most basis principes of a phone. When I e-mail Microsoft they tell me to go to HTC. But in the end it is software from Microsoft that is failing. And not HTC.
Also the lack of giving any public updates about the bugs and what to do about them is also quite annoying me. At least make a announcement.
Anyway what do you guys think of WP7? And did any of you encountered the contact switch bug yet?

Personally I haven't encountered the random contact calling issue and it's the first time I read about it to be honest.People had some random reboots or some screen tearing which occured few times at a a couple of days or so.
By the way you speak you obviously have a faulty device and I suggest you get it replaced'm.
I have almost two weeks with my phone (HD7) and I had only 2 times the screen tearing issue, just 2 reboots (those being caused by eBay app anyway) and several times when Marletplace crashed or IE did the same. I'm using the last two almost daily and I didn't get bothered with the issues so it happened rare also.
It seems that whatever bug you may encounter a soft reset/reboot of the phone will get you rid of the problem (at least for a time) and I am VERY happy about it.
Just check the iPhone 4 forum for example if you really want to see persistent bugs
I am pretty sure the early 11 update will fix most of these .

dbschr said:
Hello,
I am serious considering to take back my HTC Trophy 7 because of the amount of bugs this device has. It rather feels like a prototype then a final result.
How the **** can Microsoft take so long to develope a Operating System and deliver it in this state. The product itself came with a lack of features. But even those minimal amount of features that are now their are full with bugs.
Marketplace crashes, Zune crashes. Random reboots. But today I have encountered the most strange bug I have ever encountered in a phone. I call someone, and I get someone completely else from my contact list on the phone. I send someone a text message, and yet again it gets sended to a completely diffrent person. I have deleted the person and re-added him. Yet again the same bug.
What the ****. I paid 480 euro for this phone. A phone which cannot call or text-message propperly on of the most basis principes of a phone. When I e-mail Microsoft they tell me to go to HTC. But in the end it is software from Microsoft that is failing. And not HTC.
Also the lack of giving any public updates about the bugs and what to do about them is also quite annoying me. At least make a announcement.
Anyway what do you guys think of WP7? And did any of you encountered the contact switch bug yet?
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bro,
this post wins as the most awesome post ever. After reading this I feel like I never want to buy a WP7 phone ever. It actually makes me want to walk into the tmobile store and smash their HD7s on the floor just to do a potential buyer a favor.
Epic post.

dbschr said:
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but today I have encountered the most strange bug I have ever encountered in a phone. I call someone, and I get someone completely else from my contact list on the phone. I send someone a text message, and yet again it gets sended to a completely diffrent person.
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there was so much potential here i was waiting for the dodgy situation you found yourself in due to this.
but your post turned out to be fail.
anyone mention troll?

@orangekid - Have you ever used a WP7 phone?
@dbschr - I'm sorry that you've had a bad experience. I have not experienced this as far as I am aware. I had an issue with the Market place for a while, but that's because I disabled cookies in IE.

XeNoMoRpH1030 said:
@orangekid - Have you ever used a WP7 phone?
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After that Epic rant why would I want to?

Erm dude, these obviously aren't OS faults, or MS would never have put it out - and even if they had, everyone would be experiencing the same problems, as we are all running the exact same version of the exact same OS, just on different devices. I have not encountered a single one of the faults that you have mentioned.
Take the phone back to the store, get a replacement, enjoy it, and stop complaining and drawing undeserved bad publicity to WP7 like a total arse :/

So it's a rule here, once somebody criticizes WP7 bugs, flaming appears........

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So it's a rule here, once somebody criticizes WP7 bugs, flaming appears........
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GUYS COOL DOWN...
but an isolated case of dialing and SMS could not be the failure of the OS as this can be so many things....
this is the first person having this bug... i have not have such problems and i have not seen ppl *****ing about it...
but there are ppl who like to make big issues out of non existent issues...

nrfitchett4 said:
To the OP, I have heard of marketplace and zune "crashes". Reseting the phone fixes these. I personally have had 2 marketplace crashes and zero zune crashes using both daily the last 3 weeks. I have had zero other problems. It's obvious you got a bad phone. Take it back to where you purchased it and exchange it.
As far as orangekid, it's sad that a mod on another forum tries so hard to troll on this one.
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Pretty sure he was being sarcastic and is now feeding off the fact that none of you read into his sarcasm... I refuse to believe he was serious, especially after seeing his ability to read and write.
Anyway, the OP hasn't even posted again in here, which leads me to believe that this was a load of crap. If you're having issues such as those and you post about them, you're going to check in frequently to find a solution, not go MIA after such a ridiculous rant. This sounds like a case of a douchebag trying to stir up the loyalists in here...
On a side note, my WP7 can't get any better, to be honest, with a Beezz update coming in a few hours, and an OS update coming soon enough, I'm looking forward to even more enjoyable times

FiyaFleye said:
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic and is now feeding off the fact that none of you read into his sarcasm... I refuse to believe he was serious, especially after seeing his ability to read and write.
Anyway, the OP hasn't even posted again in here, which leads me to believe that this was a load of crap. If you're having issues such as those and you post about them, you're going to check in frequently to find a solution, not go MIA after such a ridiculous rant. This sounds like a case of a douchebag trying to stir up the loyalists in here...
On a side note, my WP7 can't get any better, to be honest, with a Beezz update coming in a few hours, and an OS update coming soon enough, I'm looking forward to even more enjoyable times
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maybe that 1 post was sarcasm, but he has been trolling the wp7 forums the last couple of days.
There is a fine line between sarcasm and trolling and the amount of posts he has here pushes him across the line.
some examples of his wisdom (all posted on different wp7 threads):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9544615&postcount=176
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9550100&postcount=6
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9524808&postcount=97

The fact that people are trying so hard to put down an OS so hard to me shows they are intimidated by competition in the market. The fact it gets to people so much shows MS has a quality product and these people are scared they wont have the latest and greatest without going to MS after years of slating them. It takes a bigger person to admit they where wrong it takes a moron to just jump on forums for phones they have no intention of getting just to shoot there mouth off.

@OP:
480€ for a Trophy ?! Jeez...
Got my Trophy last week and the only problem to date is the Marketplace hanging once in a while, nothing major that won't be solved in the next patch (along with an array of other bugs). Contatcs work great, all my email accounts are syncing, calling and SMS'sing is just fine and all the small issues and stuff missing, is just something I can live with and know will be handled in the future.
If you don't like the phone, exchange it or even better yet ask for a refund, you are clearly not ready for WP7 yet.

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And Avandor: I am ready for WP7, it ain't just ready for a realistic person like me .
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People are telling you SMS works, contacts works, syncing works and people have been using perfectly working WP7 phones since launch, so you need to start looking at other possible causes of your problems, before pointing a finger at the OS.
No one is denying it has bugs, lacking features and ways of doing stuff that most of us are still getting used to. Just take a good look around the posts and you will see that.
Ok you have issues with that particular phone. The Trophy has met quite a few problems (mostly hardware based) and you need to look at your own phone first. Do a hard reset, trying syncing contacs from a different account or method. If all that fails, report the problem to your vendor and replace/return the phone, its not that a big deal.
At least not something that requires a forum whine.

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So it's a rule here, once somebody criticizes WP7 bugs, flaming appears........
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We already have a topic about the bugs, and as already advised, made a bad choice, return and end.
It is very sad that as we get watching the threads on account of aggressive postures.
Negative comments about the WP7 can be made, however, turn that attacks between users can not occur.
No sense in getting started this thread, as it always going to have to defend the OS and others that attack, the initial comment was based on one bad experience and was well placed.
After that there were trolls, flames, etc..
If people are intelligent and coherent clearly no foul language want to report problems with their appliances WP7, report here:The WP7 list of BUGS' Thread
But please, polite and responsible.
This thread is closed.

Wtf?

Alright guys not trying to start another "I heard" thread but I read some upsetting news today.....it seems the community is going to begin to dwindle.....maybe not for us specifically but more for some of the newer phone models... I took some interest in the Droid bionic today and so I decided to go look at the thread for it.....under the general topic there was a discussion about Verizon beginning to crack down on root users. This is due mainly to the theft of services (WiFi tether). This crack down will mean Verizon completely locking down the bootloader and making phones unrootable. Theyre even going as far as to back this up with network locks. If your new device isn't verified on there network with an unrooted Rom, they will potentially lock down your service so you can't use your phone for anything essentially. Now as of right now it appears that they are focused mainly on new devices and they aren't so worried with us. I can completely understand why they would want to stop the theft of this service but at the same time this news comes as a bummer. How long will it be until Verizon locks down root altogether? And this isn't even just Verizon but rather a joint venture across multiple carriers. I don't know how to link but go look it up if youre interested guys. It's under Droid bionic general. I don't know how to take this information....but anyways let's get some input rolling here. What do you guys think about this? And better yet anyone think its gonna affect our devices at some point?
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Hey man, I can honestly say that I think this is complete bull! Haha. Why would they take away the boot loader?? Thats aa main trouble shoot tool in its self, and if this does happen. I highly doubt that it would stop root. We would be able to get past it.
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Read the thread....even if they do get around it there will be back ups that will kill service to any rooted device. Idk if this is true but its interesting
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We have wayy too many smart devs to let this happen. I'm not worried

This is a rumor from ONE source. People have been getting all upset over this but until anything actually happens, it's just that. A rumor.
Besides, if Verizon is worried about people tethering for free, it would make more sense to charge for data on a tiered level like they're probably going to start doing anyway.

Wild rumors and speculation based on forum posts, which link back to other forum posts, which link to other forums.... which eventually circle back to one guy who doesn't provide any back-up for his claims.
The original panic started here:
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...otloaders-rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html
Can we please restore some sanity to the community? Will people please stop panicking based on a bunch of "I heard..." and vague references to unnamed, unconfirmed sources?
Am I saying that this is impossible? No. But as intelligent adults, should we not demand a higher burden of proof than vague references to "multiple channels"? If there really are multiple channels that can confirm this vast conspiracy, why hasn't it broken as a reputable news story anywhere? One dude cracked the case, but no one else can corroborate it or cite anything?
This is claimed to be an effort to crack down on unauthorized tethering. If that is the goal, what seems more likely?
1. The claim that "Multiple carriers were working collaboratively on a program that would be able to identify rooted users and create a database of their meids."
or
2. Phone companies will just start phasing out unlimited data in favor of tiered plans
Given that we're already seeing #2 happen on some carriers, I'll put my money on that.
Of course, people love David and Goliath stories, so I doubt these rumors will ever die, just like the Placebo Throttle Remover will never die.
Yea, maybe all the phone companies have gotten together and are developing super secret methods of tracking us down. And maybe the Reverse Vampires are involved. And the Masons.
The original panic rumor claims that these things are already happening. For example:
"More than one major carrier besides Verizon has implemented this program and that all carriers involved had begun tracking rooted phones. All carriers involved were more than pleased with the accuracy of the program."
Sooooooo..... if it's already happening, there should be some evidence, right?
P.S. - I have heard from multiple sources that XDA is going to start tracking members by injecting code into any attachment that is placed on this forum. I've confirmed it through multiple channels. No, I can't be any more specific than that: I hope you understand. After all, this is top secret information... I can't just go tossing it around. It's a vast conspiracy, but they've managed to keep it completely bottled up.
Don't believe me!?!? Well, just wait until it happens to youuuuuuuu!!!!! (Scary music)

byrong, thank you!

byrong said:
Wild rumors and speculation based on forum posts, which link back to other forum posts, which link to other forums.... which eventually circle back to one guy who doesn't provide any back-up for his claims.
The original panic started here:
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...otloaders-rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html
Can we please restore some sanity to the community? Will people please stop panicking based on a bunch of "I heard..." and vague references to unnamed, unconfirmed sources?
Am I saying that this is impossible? No. But as intelligent adults, should we not demand a higher burden of proof than vague references to "multiple channels"? If there really are multiple channels that can confirm this vast conspiracy, why hasn't it broken as a reputable news story anywhere? One dude cracked the case, but no one else can corroborate it or cite anything?
This is claimed to be an effort to crack down on unauthorized tethering. If that is the goal, what seems more likely?
1. The claim that "Multiple carriers were working collaboratively on a program that would be able to identify rooted users and create a database of their meids."
or
2. Phone companies will just start phasing out unlimited data in favor of tiered plans
Given that we're already seeing #2 happen on some carriers, I'll put my money on that.
Of course, people love David and Goliath stories, so I doubt these rumors will ever die, just like the Placebo Throttle Remover will never die.
Yea, maybe all the phone companies have gotten together and are developing super secret methods of tracking us down. And maybe the Reverse Vampires are involved. And the Masons.
The original panic rumor claims that these things are already happening. For example:
"More than one major carrier besides Verizon has implemented this program and that all carriers involved had begun tracking rooted phones. All carriers involved were more than pleased with the accuracy of the program."
Sooooooo..... if it's already happening, there should be some evidence, right?
P.S. - I have heard from multiple sources that XDA is going to start tracking members by injecting code into any attachment that is placed on this forum. I've confirmed it through multiple channels. No, I can't be any more specific than that: I hope you understand. After all, this is top secret information... I can't just go tossing it around. It's a vast conspiracy, but they've managed to keep it completely bottled up.
Don't believe me!?!? Well, just wait until it happens to youuuuuuuu!!!!! (Scary music)
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Damn dude.....just trying to put some discussion into this topic. Ouch. I understand and preface this with not trying to start another I heard thread.....I wasn't trying to instill panic in anyone. No need to write up an essay and a half of flame. Simply giving some discussion topic.
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Damn dude.....just trying to put some discussion into this topic. Ouch. I understand and preface this with not trying to start another I heard thread.....I wasn't trying to instill panic in anyone. No need to write up an essay and a half of flame. Simply giving some discussion topic.
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I believe a thread about this was discussed a few weeks ago and closed. I dont believe it will happen snyways
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I believe a thread about this was discussed a few weeks ago and closed. I dont believe it will happen snyways
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I don't necesarilly believe it will happen but is it plausible? yes....You can't deny that major carriers and development teams have more knowledge, experience, and capability then ANY developer on xda. Look at the past. Apple actually brought out a lawsuit trying to keep people from jailbreaking devices. So while we may all sit around and laugh at the idea and while it is just a bunch of hear say at this point, it is definitely plausible. And i do agree that it may just be easier to do tiered data plans, but then that kind of screws over verizon's customers who actually pay for tether. So you can kind of understand why they wouldn't want to continue to move on that route. Both options are viable and neither of them appears to be any sort of threat right now. As stated above, right now it's just a bunch of threads linking back to other threads linking back to other threads. And I don't know how much there is to believe about it but none the less it definitely could happen.... But hopefully nothing will happen....I mean come on manufacturers hardly keep their devices up to date...2.3 has already been dropped on how many devices and we're still waiting for it. People are on to sense 3.0 and we still have 1.0 on our stock rom. If they decide to kill the independent dev community then they better start dropping crazy updates with extremely customizable roms. It just seems like too much work that would ultimately end in manufacturers and providers losing money. Sooo ya. probs not gonna happen

If people didnt abuse tether, it wouldnt be an issue. So much free wifi, i cant think of last time i tethered. I also actually pay for internet at hone, yet i know several who tether for home internet.
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Verizon would be foolish to do this. People are attracted to their service due to the freedom of android...

elixir911911 said:
Damn dude.....just trying to put some discussion into this topic. Ouch. I understand and preface this with not trying to start another I heard thread.....I wasn't trying to instill panic in anyone. No need to write up an essay and a half of flame. Simply giving some discussion topic.
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It's not a flame, it's just the truth... There really is not a whole lot to be concerned about. It's out of our control so whatever happens happens, we'll have to deal with it when it shows up, IF it shows up. But why be so concerned about it?
Having said that, as far as rooting goes, they SHOULD embrace developers and allow us to use our roms and stuff legally... but I think that there is stuff set in writing and signatures that are still in effect for the time being. I see them never allowing us to root, but compromising by letting us set our own defaults and not having to use their proprietary carrier BS eventually. Whatever we make our phones into (right now) creates a market, and where there's a market there's money. We'll either have the perfect phone or the option to make the perfect phone, just like we can buy the perfect PC or make the perfect PC. Well, at least as far as software goes.
I personally believe we'll ultimately get what we want to the point where rooting is useless as far as ordinary everyday users go. But right now we don't know what this whole smartphone craze is or what its gonna be when it finally plateaus, and neither do the manufacturers & carriers so they can't exactly crack whips on our backs for doing all of this yet.
Besides, the hackers that make these roms make the phones better. They turn us into brand and carrier loyalists. The Optimus, Galaxy S, Xperia, HTC & Droids all have followings for different reasons, and the developers are the most rabid and loyal of them all. They might not NEED us, but we're still pretty freaking important.

elixir911911 said:
Alright guys not trying to start another "I heard" thread but I read some upsetting news today.....it seems the community is going to begin to dwindle.....maybe not for us specifically but more for some of the newer phone models... I took some interest in the Droid bionic today and so I decided to go look at the thread for it.....under the general topic there was a discussion about Verizon beginning to crack down on root users. This is due mainly to the theft of services (WiFi tether). This crack down will mean Verizon completely locking down the bootloader and making phones unrootable. Theyre even going as far as to back this up with network locks. If your new device isn't verified on there network with an unrooted Rom, they will potentially lock down your service so you can't use your phone for anything essentially. Now as of right now it appears that they are focused mainly on new devices and they aren't so worried with us. I can completely understand why they would want to stop the theft of this service but at the same time this news comes as a bummer. How long will it be until Verizon locks down root altogether? And this isn't even just Verizon but rather a joint venture across multiple carriers. I don't know how to link but go look it up if youre interested guys. It's under Droid bionic general. I don't know how to take this information....but anyways let's get some input rolling here. What do you guys think about this? And better yet anyone think its gonna affect our devices at some point?
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Okay I'm going to be as nice as I can about this. It's not true. We've had so many threads about this the threads are starting to scare people. Please stop. I don't mean to be rude to you. There is not on piece of solid evidence and I've talked to soooo many people it's not even funny. Don't buy it.

I'm rooted and I have wireless tether. However, there are apps in the market (Easy Tether and PDANet, for example) that do the same thing as wireless tether, but use a USB cable and work on unrooted phones, so the argument that VZW is cracking down on rooted users due to wireless tether isn't valid. I use WT every now and then if I need to connect my laptop for work reasons when I am at a customers location. If VZW feels the need to lock my phone, well, it IS their network and they have that right. I rooted my phone to get rid of the software that was bogging my phone down.
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ucluglee said:
I'm rooted and I have wireless tether. However, there are apps in the market (Easy Tether and PDANet, for example) that do the same thing as wireless tether, but use a USB cable and work on unrooted phones, so the argument that VZW is cracking down on rooted users due to wireless tether isn't valid. I use WT every now and then if I need to connect my laptop for work reasons when I am at a customers location. If VZW feels the need to lock my phone, well, it IS their network and they have that right. I rooted my phone to get rid of the software that was bogging my phone down.
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Something very strange going on here

I can't be the only one who's noticed that there's a bunch of people on this forum, who for whatever reason seem to be on some kind of campaign. These people are insisting that Note 7 owners must power them off and return them and they take every opportunity to say that the phone is a huge danger and that no only must all handsets be returned, but that the networks and Samsung must block the devices. It goes far beyond the occasional post and the odd comment. It's repeated, vitriolic, aggressive, confrontational and dogmatic.
Fine upstanding citizens these people may be and perhaps they are so motivated to ensure the safety of their fellow humans. But I seriously doubt that. I doubt most of them surely don't care a damn about the safety of other phone users. So what's driving this campaign of vitriol? Why are these people not simply making their point and moving on? Is it because they have surrendered their devices and don't like others still enjoying their Note 7's? is it because they are somehow feeling inadequate and feel the need to demonstrate their superiority?
I can't remember circumstances before where so many self-rightous, sanctimonious vigilantes have sprung up who seem hell bent on TELLING others what they must do.
I'd like to say to all of them, what people do with their own Note 7's is a matter entirely for them, their supplier and their mobile operator. That's it. Beyond that, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

For those with eyes. IRIS = SIRI, reverse engineering.
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On a serious Note, yes there are moles on here. Think different? Think for yourself! If you want to keep your Note 7, then do it! The only "proof" that there ever was a fault was through the media. Remember, the media is not your friend!

Happy to still keep using mine (is slated for swap out to S7E which is not the phone I forked out $1350 for, that is for sure!)
My phone survived a huge cooking with the Oculus dodgy update, so I feel it is one of the good ones
I know some users here who definitely match your discussed behaviour though!
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I was actually thinking of making a thread exactly like this.
I, too, have noticed this. I truly think they are former Note 7 owners who wish they'd kept their devices. They know they made the wrong choice giving it up, and are now stuck using a device that has half the features. And as they stare at their crappy phone, they fill with rage that other people still have Note 7s and are enjoying them to the fullest.
Nobody is taking my Note 7 away from me, that's for sure. This device is so far ahead of everything else. It's better than 90% of 2017's devices will be.

I had the exact same thoughts as well. Very unlike XDA forum members, who are in general all about doing whatever they want with their devices, regardless of who says what.

I will be returning mine for a refund at the latest possible moment, since unfortunately the idea of keeping it indefinitely with no future updates and no Oculus support, doesn't work for me.
But it's kind of irrelevant what I will be doing with mine. The point is, it's entirely up to me and I am sick and tired of people who I don't know, nor care to know, telling me THEY know better.

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I was actually thinking of making a thread exactly like this.
I, too, have noticed this. I truly think they are former Note 7 owners who wish they'd kept their devices. They know they made the wrong choice giving it up, and are now stuck using a device that has half the features. And as they stare at their crappy phone, they fill with rage that other people still have Note 7s and are enjoying them to the fullest.
Nobody is taking my Note 7 away from me, that's for sure. This device is so far ahead of everything else. It's better than 90% of 2017's devices will be.
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I don't miss mine one bit. Care to keep generalizing? Maybe we just don't want our aircraft cabins filled with toxic fumes from smoldering batteries, as UNLIKELY as an event that may be. I for one don't mind people keeping their N7's. Do what you will. I do find it comical that people with small children in the home are hardcore defending keeping the device, however. Even though the slightest possibility of a device going up in smoke is slim to none, the safety of my family comes first. No amount of iris scanners and expandable storage can make up for a potential fire hazard in the home.

this forum is about people interesred in this device, I got my replacement, and I am happy with it, besides my carrier will keep a one year warranty, so, it is a good deal for me, in my country there is no mandatory recall, so, they can not force anybody to surrender the phone, also by no means , they wont block/deactivate remotely, as it woul be considered against your consumer rights, I started a thread about over sensitive s pen, and only thing I got was "get rid of your note7" in my opinion, this kind of replies defeat the entire purpose of this portal, that is helping and improving, there are lots of people keeping their note7, so, whoever returned, or backed from a note 7, should show some respect to those keeping it

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I don't miss mine one bit. Care to keep generalizing? Maybe we just don't want our aircraft cabins filled with toxic fumes from smoldering batteries, as UNLIKELY as an event that may be. I for one don't mind people keeping their N7's. Do what you will. I do find it comical that people with small children in the home are hardcore defending keeping the device, however. Even though the slightest possibility of a device going up in smoke is slim to none, the safety of my family comes first. No amount of iris scanners and expandable storage can make up for a potential fire hazard in the home.
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winol said:
this forum is about people interesred in this device, I got my replacement, and I am happy with it, besides my carrier will keep a one year warranty, so, it is a good deal for me, in my country there is no mandatory recall, so, they can not force anybody to surrender the phone, also by no means , they wont block/deactivate remotely, as it woul be considered against your consumer rights, I started a thread about over sensitive s pen, and only thing I got was "get rid of your note7" in my opinion, this kind of replies defeat the entire purpose of this portal, that is helping and improving, there are lots of people keeping their note7, so, whoever returned, or backed from a note 7, should show some respect to those keeping it
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What country are you in out of interest. I'm in the UK and I'm not entirely sure if it's voluntary or mandatory. Also if it is voluntary then we may still get some updates which at the very least means security patches. I hope.
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It is evident on other Android Forums too, I got "Warnings" and had my Posts outright Deleted when I posted this link:
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/32960624/iphone-7-catches-fire-destroys-vehicle/#page1
(Strange how the reporter's name is Niamh)
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andoxviii said:
I was actually thinking of making a thread exactly like this.
I, too, have noticed this. I truly think they are former Note 7 owners who wish they'd kept their devices. They know they made the wrong choice giving it up, and are now stuck using a device that has half the features. And as they stare at their crappy phone, they fill with rage that other people still have Note 7s and are enjoying them to the fullest.
Nobody is taking my Note 7 away from me, that's for sure. This device is so far ahead of everything else. It's better than 90% of 2017's devices will be.
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I agree. I was actually an unfortunate Pre-ordered Note 7 customer who never got theirs in time due to the recall and have even posted asking if anyone who has one instead of returning it I would buy it from them. It was ignored by a moderator who in turn replied to the previous poster asking if they had received their 'fireproof' return shipping box.
Either these are shills or are just hypnotized by the recent mass media campaign and genuinely believe the Note 7's are dangerous. Yet you need to question that when you post clear evidence that even today's news is showing iPhones exploding and destroying cars.
People are either brainwashed or are working undercover counter intelligence

Chippy_boy said:
I can't be the only one who's noticed that there's a bunch of people on this forum, who for whatever reason seem to be on some kind of campaign. These people are insisting that Note 7 owners must power them off and return them and they take every opportunity to say that the phone is a huge danger and that no only must all handsets be returned, but that the networks and Samsung must block the devices. It goes far beyond the occasional post and the odd comment. It's repeated, vitriolic, aggressive, confrontational and dogmatic.
Fine upstanding citizens these people may be and perhaps they are so motivated to ensure the safety of their fellow humans. But I seriously doubt that. I doubt most of them surely don't care a damn about the safety of other phone users. So what's driving this campaign of vitriol? Why are these people not simply making their point and moving on? Is it because they have surrendered their devices and don't like others still enjoying their Note 7's? is it because they are somehow feeling inadequate and feel the need to demonstrate their superiority?
I can't remember circumstances before where so many self-rightous, sanctimonious vigilantes have sprung up who seem hell bent on TELLING others what they must do.
I'd like to say to all of them, what people do with their own Note 7's is a matter entirely for them, their supplier and their mobile operator. That's it. Beyond that, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
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Samsung is also one of these people who keep telling to give back your phone... weird...

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I don't miss mine one bit. Care to keep generalizing? Maybe we just don't want our aircraft cabins filled with toxic fumes from smoldering batteries, as UNLIKELY as an event that may be. I for one don't mind people keeping their N7's. Do what you will. I do find it comical that people with small children in the home are hardcore defending keeping the device, however. Even though the slightest possibility of a device going up in smoke is slim to none, the safety of my family comes first. No amount of iris scanners and expandable storage can make up for a potential fire hazard in the home.
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I don't plan on taking my personal phone (Note 7 w8) into an airplane. I plan on using my work iPhone for that.
Nor do I have children.
And if all you see is an iris scanner and expandable storage when you look at the Note 7, then this device isn't for you anyways.

Check out the Samsung.com website of your country. To see if the recall is voluntary or mandatory. All sites will ask you to power down and exchange for another Galaxy model ?
?hardcore signatures?
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I've not posted in the various other threads on this topic but to the starter of this thread, how would you feel if someone posted pretty much what you said but instead of talking about the note 7 it was talking about drinking and driving?
Many of us live in societies with incredible levels of self entitlement. People believing that they are special and rules don't apply to them. It's not really about YOUR safety it's about the safety of people around you. That is the real issue. While some of the people who are keeping their phones may never take it outside their house I don't for a second believe that none of them will take them on planes, subways, etc. Just like drinking and driving you may get away with it for a very long time but it only takes one time to change your life forever. In order to keep a note 7 as normal it requires you to actively circumvent updates from Samsung. If something goes wrong and someone dies there will be no "I didn't realize" defense. You absolutely will be going to jail.
As for myself I surrendered my note 7 yesterday. I was sad to see such a great phone go to waste but I have no regrets. I respect my safety and that of others around me too much to take a risk. I fly frequently and don't need any headaches like this.
I don't for a second think that Samusung is taking this **** kicking, both financially and to their reputation for fun. I think it's wise to heed their advice and replace the phone.

Wooba99 said:
I've not posted in the various other threads on this topic but to the starter of this thread, how would you feel if someone posted pretty much what you said but instead of talking about the note 7 it was talking about drinking and driving?
Many of us live in societies with incredible levels of self entitlement. People believing that they are special and rules don't apply to them. It's not really about YOUR safety it's about the safety of people around you. That is the real issue. While some of the people who are keeping their phones may never take it outside their house I don't for a second believe that none of them will take them on planes, subways, etc. Just like drinking and driving you may get away with it for a very long time but it only takes one time to change your life forever. In order to keep a note 7 as normal it requires you to actively circumvent updates from Samsung. If something goes wrong and someone dies there will be no "I didn't realize" defense. You absolutely will be going to jail.
As for myself I surrendered my note 7 yesterday. I was sad to see such a great phone go to waste but I have no regrets. I respect my safety and that of others around me too much to take a risk. I fly frequently and don't need any headaches like this.
I don't for a second think that Samusung is taking this **** kicking, both financially and to their reputation for fun. I think it's wise to heed their advice and replace the phone.
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Great - good for you. No need to repeat it any more.

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Check out the Samsung.com website of your country. To see if the recall is voluntary or mandatory. All sites will ask you to power down and exchange for another Galaxy model
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As you say. Ask.

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Great - good for you. No need to repeat it any more.
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Not planning too. I know it's a waste of time trying to convince people so I don't try. You asked a question, I answered it.
And you never answered my question.

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Not planning too. I know it's a waste of time trying to convince people so I don't try. You asked a question, I answered it.
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Thanks.
EDIT: Sorry I missed your question. The answer is, the two are not comparable. Drinking and driving is proven to be extremely dangerous. Note 7's are proven to be pretty safe. The issue is that they are not as safe as some people would like, but to compare the levels of risk to that of driving a car whilst drunk, is misleading.
There's already a flight ban in place and people I would imagine are sensible enough to respect that. I know I would. And regards the public safety risk more generally, NO-ONE has suffered serious injury and there have been no deaths out of 4 million units shipped. Worst case, the device is going to catch fire and guess what - people will put it out. The idea that automatically when a phone catches fire then some kind of apocalypse occurs, is also misleading. These are fundamentally fairly safe devices. Samsung however necessarily look at it down the other end of the telescope since they are responsible for all 4 million devices and whereas the chance of you or I having an issue with our phone is very very low, the chances of Samsung having an issue with one of the 4 million of their phones, is very very high. That's why they needed to cancel the phone, not because any one phone is intrinsically dangerous - it is not.

I am of the belief that some, not all, of the owners who returned their Note 7's would be better served with an iPhone anyways. Those are the one's that take a shine toward being dominated in every aspect of their lives.