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Running Windows Mobile on iPhone...it needs to be done!!!

so i was looking at the many iphone knock offs and personally i am not impressed with the hardware, but as i am a pc and not a mac i will never ever use the Mac OSX operating system without an overwhelming feeling of shame as though i have just cheated on my wife; not that i have and would know what that feels like but you get my drift.
my point is gentlemen that we need to collect our talents and intelligence and move toward a break through in modding. I am currently running SNN Lite Edition and am very pleased with it. Upon exploring the OS, i realized that there exist the possibility to expand upon this work and take it to new heights.
to begin with as i said earlier i am running WM6.1 SNN Lite edition, 3rd party apps include SPB Mobile Shell II, Wisbar Advance 3, Advance Config, Network Wizard, Resco Explorer and Photo Viewer, among others. The only 2 of the apps that i mention that have anything to do with what we are and will be discussing are WisBar Advance 3 and SPC MS II.
take a look at the following screen shots, photoshoped so dnt ask me for the ROM i haven't created it...heck i wouldn't even know where to start;
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i mean all we're really talking about here is a mobile version of bootcamp or something to the effect of creating partitions on the iphone hard-drive and then booting into the windows mobile and delete the iphone rom or better yet since one would have to spend so much on buying the device then one could have both OS's running...choosing to booting into one or the other.
But again i wuldnt know where to start so if any of you genii could figure out how to do this then i can assure you, you would go down in modding history.

jus for the hell of it, someone in Development and Hacking started a thread entitled "MUST SEE" about how he found an "iPhone" that runs both the iPhone rom and WM6

it's definitely some kind of chinese iClone obviously.
i suppose the problem here would be drivers for the screen.
also, a whole bunch of the features wouldn't work out that well(visual voicemail, accelerometer)

The only real upside I see is the hardware and that is only until the new devices like the Xperia1 come out.
For pure geek factor I will admit that it would be the bee's knee's though.

So...
Any one seriously consider tackling this on? I wish I had the knowledge to do it, because I would in a HEARTBEAT.
EDIT: Anyone see this yet? Thoughts?
http://solomobi.com/viewproduct.asp?pro_id=1364&page=1

actually it's an iphone...i simply photoshoped screenshots of my phone onto it. i'm running WM6.1 the screen ou see there is Dredd's mobile shell theme for mobile shell 2 and of course the taskbar is vista pocket 2 running on wisbar advance 3...and a WMP11 skin.
but you see my point here...however you want to customize your windows mobile device you can...which you cant do with an iphone...

lemme drop some research some you:
Partioning/Dual-Booting the iphone http://www.iphoneatlas.com/2008/03/12/dual-booting-the-iphone/
Jailbreaking the easy way:
http://www.ziphone.org/
iphone to have dual-core processor
http://www.iphoneatlas.com/2008/04/23/a-powerpc-in-your-iphone/

dang this iclones seem 2 have better thing than the iphone i mean dual simcard slots,cameras and bluetooth, and running wm6... apple should take some notes...

impossible
Running windows mobile/windowsCE is completely impossible from a end user/hacker point of view for the iphone let alone ANY device that does not run WM/CE. it all comes down to drivers, and the developers(like HTC, Gigabyte...) makes them.
You have to understand each WM ROM is custom made for each device by manufacturers. WM/CE is fully componentised from ground up right down to including keyboard support, so only minimal drivers are included in the ROM to make it small.
So unless you can do programming in low level(010010101010) and have complete access to hardware and chip design then it is impossible to have it boot WM natively.
btw, we are hackers(or some of us are), and we *might* be able to make a device emulator and just emulate WM/CE like on the PC. of course, currently thats next to nothing - as we need an opensource/free emulator for WM/CE that does not exist.
the only way to make it real and feasible is VNC. They did the same thing with Android-on-WM(and i think it works great).

the screen resolution of the iphone is absolute incompatible.

Got a Blackberry Javelin

Hey guys, bought finally a Blackberry Javelin (Curve 8900) and want to share my initial impressions. Maybe of interest for you because you like the BB form factor in general. I think the classic Blackberry form factor employed in all wide BBs, the BlackJack and the Excalibur is the best form for a phone.
Had Blackbarrys from my company for years, then the BlackJack great phone with worse speaker quality (very low volume) more than a year, tried the Excalibur now as I wrote in another post. Great phone with excellent xda-dev-support. But still some weaknesses. So I bought the Javelin in a weak moment:
Pros
- Excellent hardware & build quality, small, tight, solid, round, smooth, much better than the bold which has its name for a good reason. Better materials than most phones.
- The keyboard rocks. No other keyboard matches this keyboard, even better than the Bold because less finger movements required. The old Treos come very close (680, 750). Perfect form, space within keys and hub => short and crisp hub. Blackjack was too hard to press, Excalibur too long hub and wobbly feeling, Treo to round, but similar crisp hub and space between keys.
- The trackball, so precise and fast, EPIX could match, but the software implementation of the touchpad isn't on par with RIMs trackball implementation.
- Great screen, not the Touch Diamonds resolution but it's near
- Great UI, really!. After a days you understand how many thoughts the RIM engineers made, e.g.: the Media Player is despite keylock fully accessible, shortcuts everywhere like R for reply, overall you are pretty fast with the OS.
- Slick and unobtrusive GUI design
Cons
- No ActiveSync OTA only expensive BIS/BES service
- No xda-dev community instead somehow weird BB forums
- Feels somehow closed/undocumented like a black box, couldn't get Google Maps to work, maybe because of missing BIS/BES service
- Browser is for a BB browser very, very good but doesn't match latest Opera on Touch Diamond.
- A2DP sound quality good but cannot be tweaked to the max as with WM devices.
- No 3G but EDGE
If you ask me to choose one phone, I couldn't decide for one (currently the Javelin and the Touch Diamond, because there's no up-to-date WM phone with BB form factor). Overall the WM phone is capable of everything and a lot of stuff can be done a little better (e.g. A2DP quality tweaking) and the UI of WM6 plus Touch Flow isn't that bad. The Javelin is a rock-solid experience, hardware and software are seamlessly put together, better than by the iPhone done. I miss some features with the Javelin but at the end of the day the core and few non-core phone features like cam and media are prefectly realized. At the moment I use both phones with multiple SIMs depending on my mood.

Oh nice thanks for putting this information together. This could be very useful from some who are deciding to upgrade their dash.

Not ever, not in a trillion billion years. No blackberry has nor will one ever be held to my head.
Nuff said

Bupahs said:
Not ever, not in a trillion billion years. No blackberry has nor will one ever be held to my head.
Nuff said
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Funny as i was going to post similar yesterday lol, something about blasphemy and mods please delete

I didnt know HTC made the Blackberry's?
(in Re: to the removal of our Moto Q discussion, Hmmm...same form factor )

stylez said:
Funny as i was going to post similar yesterday lol, something about blasphemy and mods please delete
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lol, well I went out on a limb, I have a strong personal dislike for the BB

crackberry
THE only thing in my opinion that the BBs have that is any good is their tracball, that's it. My buddy from work has a curve/javelin and I think it sucks, that's just my opinion, not trying to disrespect anyone, cause when we were comparing phones ,even though he loves his bberry, he was amazed at how much customizability and how much more fun the dash is. That's all.

Yah the trackball is amazing, I got to give that to you...

I bought one on Friday and must say I love it to bits

EN4CER69 said:
I bought one on Friday and must say I love it to bits
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blasphemy, sellout, traitor , JK.

I think the curve 8320 was a good phone with the best keyboard ever, but It cant do all the goodies winmo phones can do.

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now...this is a trackball....right?

iphone users get all the cool stuff!!!!

Just found this http://www.ononesoftware.com/blog/2009/05/15/iphone-app-from-onone/, it looks usefull (to me anyway) shame I don't have an Iphone.
It's such a shame there aren't so many cool apps or well polished apps for WM6+ the hardware is probably capable of a lot but i feel apple users and android users too are getting all the fun, new apps all the time, nicely presented, stylish usefull (admittedly some less usefull than others)
I am a very visual person, i'm a photographer and I design websites and dabble in a bit of graphic UI design sometimes, and I find a lot of apps for my phone are visually dull, visually lacking in inspiration and usefull as some may be (currently using pocketwit a lot) they just don't compete with shiny apple/android apps.
The screen shot mock ups for the new HTC Hero look like they are trying to hop onboard the iphone app/widget train and look nice but I tried out a host of different twitter clients for my TP2 before I went for pocketwit (which I can theme a little) but ditched them partly because they looked dull. It's like finding a website that someone created which is the most usefull website you could ever use...but they built it using badly structured tables with garish bouncing animated giffs and wrote it in the late 90's using MS frontpage.
sorry, it's late and i'm a little tired and i felt it had to be said...

bah why not use remote desktop on the TP2 with EOS Utility on the laptop and an adhoc connection between the two. Thats what I do... live preview and all...

If the software that hurts your visual esthetics is freeware, I would suggest that you contact the developer and offer him your help on polishing up the UI. This is meant serious. As being a hobby developer myself, I sometimes find it hard to create the gui in aspects of esthetic. I make it functional from my point of view but it's not looking nice.
On the other site, you just might want to get an iphone or android...
just my 2ct.

offering to glam up apps is an option of course, this was the last ui theme i designed...quite a while ago now but it started a big following of people trying to port it to other music player apps which was quite cool.
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I love my TP2 and glossy and refined as the iphone and android phones are they just don't cut it with my business and working requirements.

See that link you posted earlier ir803? I don't think it's that impressive. Read the detail, you need to hook a laptop up to the camera over USB then the iPhone application connects to the PC.
You can already do this on the TP2. Just run the same PC-camera software and access it via remote desktop or VNC. If they offer a web interface to it then just connect over the web in your phones browser.
That's the difference between the TP2 and the iPhone. On the latter you can do what someone else has specifically allowed you. On the TP2 you can use generic tools to do just about anything.
But yeah, the aesthetic side of it is poor. Most of the apps I run are reasonably polished but there are a few uglies I use such as PuTTY and VxUtil just because their great functionality outweighs the visual manure that is their UI.

Windows Phone 7 Series, here's the pictures!

Microsoft's set the internet ablaze with new information about the Windows Phone 7 Series which was unveiled at the Mobile World Congress today at Barcelona.
The pictures and videos are pouring in and I'm here to help organize some of this mess for everyone.
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It's Official: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2010/feb10/02-15MWC10PR.mspx
Here is the official press release announcing Microsoft's unveiling of their new smartphone OS. The header of the webpage states; "New phones designed for life in motion to debut at holiday 2010."
In Depth Video: http://gizmodo.com/5472166/an-epic-22+minute-walkthrough-of-windows-phone-7
Now if you want all the information you can get, here's Gizmodo's 22 minute hand's on review of Windows Phone 7 Series.
In Depth Read: http://gizmodo.com/5471805/windows-phone-7-series-everything-is-different-now
Now if videos aren't your thing and you'd rather read here is a long run down of the features present in the Windows Phone 7 Series.
Hands On:
http://gizmodo.com/5472222/windows-phone-7-series-hands+on-pics-and-video
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-hands-on-and-impressions/
Here is a hands on review by both Gizmodo and Engadget.
Pretty Pictures: http://gizmodo.com/5472229/windows-phone-7-hands+on-pics/
Some people say a picture is worth a thousand words, these may be worth more.

looks just horrid.

fixxxer2008 said:
looks just horrid.
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My thoughts exactly. Let's hope some form of 'skinning' is possible.

It's very ugly..Zune HD like....

Super ugly !!!

The homescreen is ugly, but the rest of the OS is very elegant and simple. You guys should watch demos on youtube you will be blown away. MS said that there gonna be tight on OEM customization, but I think their still gonna allow some customization for OEM to stand out from the competition. You guys REALLY need to try out the demo site: http://www.windowsphone7series.com/

i think also it is nice and clear - thats what i want - no overfilling with buttons and things from tabs and options on the "homescreen"
it remember me more of that TouchOne skin - where u move up - down - left and right to reach specific screens instead of using a tabsborder. people often forget that we use such phones also in cars and while walking - so we need a sure and failsafe surface with not to small buttons (at least less).
if anybody knows a good and fast! UI for Wm6.5 let me know - new sense is nice looking but still i search for something simplier to use/touch UI

First impressions...
It looks overly simplified, and more like an art project - or a set of 'design placeholders' that mark areas still needed to be finished in detail.
I question a lot of real-life interactivity with the device, it seems a little silly having the text of the hub cropped off screen.
It wouldn't surprise me if the the API's for this are very basic (aka. simple gadgets) - I have a feeling this isn't designed to run apps in the traditional sense.

Nokia's Windows Phone 7 concept revealed!

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Look what we've found! This is the first image you'll see anywhere of the early fruit of Microsoft and Nokia's budding new partnership. We have it on good authority that the technicolor phones on show are conceptual devices produced by the two companies. You shouldn't, therefore, go jumping to conclusions about retail hardware just yet, but hearts should be warmed by the familiarity of Nokia's new design -- the shape of these handsets is somewhere between its recent N8 and C7 Symbian devices and there is, as usual for Nokia, a choice of sprightly colors. The trio of keys adorning the new concept's bottom give away its Windows Phone 7 ties, but also remind us that the N8 and E7 are highly unlikely to receive any WP7 upgrade love. The best part about this whole discovery, however, might be that it confirms Steve Ballmer's assertion that the engineers of both companies have "spent a lot of time on this already."
Source: Endgadget - http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/exclusive-nokias-windows-phone-7-concept-revealed/
Damn this is exciting, isnt it...m sure things r about to go into top gear for WP7 n microsoft/nokia...while apple wil probably just end up whining about everything...wat say? as for these "microkia's", they r beautiful...i kno i want one...n i want one now!!! m sure most of u do.

They look awesome!
I hope they make something like these, I can see myself with the b;ack one and the wife with one of the pretty coloured ones!!!

exactly my thoughts...the black one looks quite 'orgasmic'...

How wrong I am, wife prefers the black one!

the black one rocks.... but mostly because the damned tiles aren't showing... anyone else notice this?

Just fu***** beautiful,i want the Black version

Saw these on engadget this morning, badass looking phones

I hope they bring back the old "Fascia" things they had on the 3310s etc and have multiple back covers available for you to buy in different colours and designs.

I want the black one but with black tiles!!!

adesonic said:
I want the black one but with black tiles!!!
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Black background and white tiles !!

Gorgeous. Lets hope they will produce them as we see them.

The problem is how long will it take Microkia to make it to market. They will be in trouble if they cannot make it before this holiday.

Gotta say... I think I see the phones of the future...

black one looking gr8....

Now I like this quite a bit, but it kinda looks like my Focus...

That was my thought. This looks almost like a Samsung Focus. At least the front of top are very close. The rear is tapered which I do like a little more.
Hopefully, we'll be seeing even more designs from Nokia (hardware keyboard hint, hint).

Hey guys, guess what, the concepts hav just been officialy shown at MWC by nokia...they r real, n possibly coming this year itself...
Nokia hints we'll see first Windows Phone 7 device this year!!!
Nokia may still sticking to the official line that it will begin shipping Windows Phone 7 devices in "significant volume" in 2012, but it just dropped a big hint at its Mobile World Congress press conference that we could be seeing the first device even sooner -- like this year. That word came from Nokia's Jo Harlow, who said that her boss would be "much happier" if the timing of the initial launch was in 2011. As you can see above, Nokia's also kindly confirmed that leaked Windows Phone 7 concept that we just got our hands on Friday, and it's shed yet more light on the behind the scenes intrigue that led up to the switch to Windows Phone 7. According to Stephen Elop, the "final decision" to go with Windows Phone "just happened on Thursday night of last week." Elop then later then expanded -- in response to a question audience about whether he was a trojan horse -- that the "entire management team" was involved in the process, and that "of course the board of directors of Nokia are the only ones that can make this significant of a decision about Nokia," which they made on Thursday night.
Source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/nokia-hints-well-see-first-windows-phone-7-device-this-year/

I read this article in the main Windows Phone 7 section and I have to say it is exciting news.
Not only are Nokia providing their expert knowledge in hardware which will only make WP7 better to use but they will also be combining Ovi Stores with Windows Market Place. This means the famous Ovi Maps with voice guidance and the ability to download maps to SD card for offline useage will be available as well as other applications which were bought out on Symbian.
Nokia has also divided the company now into two businesses. One for mobile phone development and the other for smart phones such as WP7, Symbian and Meego. Some people are saying this is because Nokia fear a takeover from Microsoft but it certainly looks like Nokia are taking no chances.