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CPU Clockspeed and Gaming

I've noticed an unusual issue across various roms and kernels (including stock) I use setcpu to fix clockspeed at 1200 (both sliders set to 1200 and governor set to performance), when playing intensive games such as modern combat 3 or FPSE for a while and then looking at cpu spy i notice that the cpu has actually clocked down to lower speeds at various stages. This causes noticeable lag with FPSE.
This only seems to happen when playing intensive game apps. Has anyone experienced this or know why this could be happening?
Thanks

What temps you have when playing? Is your CPU overclocked? Sounds like CPU throttling to me.
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CPU is not overclocked, just fixed at 1200 using setcpu so it should not throttle down, this is what puzzles me

anath said:
CPU is not overclocked, just fixed at 1200 using setcpu so it should not throttle down, this is what puzzles me
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No no no no, you can't install some app (SetCPU) and tell it "burn my CPU" That's hardware level protection and you can not bypass it that easy.

setcpu is commonly used to control the clockspeed so if I set it to 1200 with performance governor this is what the clock rate should stay at irrespective of what app is running - and it does exactly this all the time except when i'm playing intensive games where it seems to throttle down to lower various levels.
This is just a way for me to maximise performance albeit at a cost of power consumption.
I'd be grateful if anyone else with setcpu and cpuspy could test this playing an intensive game. Not sure if its an issue with my G Nexus or perhaps I have misunderstood how setcpu works?

anath said:
setcpu is commonly used to control the clockspeed so if I set it to 1200 with performance governor this is what the clock rate should stay at irrespective of what app is running and it does exactly this all the time except when i'm playing intensive games where it seems to throttle down to lower various levels.
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Wrong. Overheat protection works at hardware level and it always will have higher priority then any app. Same way works desktop CPU's: you can set desired clock in BIOS, but CPU will throttle it self if temperature exceeds (for example) +80C and there's a reason for that!
anath said:
I'd be grateful if anyone else with setcpu and cpuspy could test this playing an intensive game. Not sure if its an issue with my G Nexus or perhaps I have misunderstood how setcpu works?
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Before replying i tested that myself and there was noticeable CPU throttling after temp went over +40C or so.
EDIT: to backup my words - external link
"Dynamically controlled voltage, frequency and power based on device activity, modes of operation and temperature"

makes sense...nice call...is there a throttle governor hack?...to allow us gamers to have the values up a little higher?..i know its not good but is it possible...good thread and help here thank you...
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Even if there was a way to get around the issue (if its indeed temperature throttling) you wouldn't want to do it unless you want a to a brick.
Whats FPSE? Also I've yet to notice slowdown in any game except GTA but thats a port.

How do you try to make your Play's battery last?

When I'm not using the internet or playing games, I literally set my max speed to half stock using the OnDemand governor, I always keep WiFi off unless I'm home and keep 3G unless I check my facebook or upload an image, 3G usually reactivates then deactivates itself with MMS I believe, not exactly 100% on that, correct me if you'd like. My stock battery lasts for about 30-35 hours under constant texting plus the way I use my phone. When I play games, I set clock speed back to stock and keep 3G off, whether I overclock or not depends on the game.
The UI loses a little FPS but I'm cool with that, and onscreen keyboard response is a little sluggish but that doesn't bother me either. I might try setting my max clock a little higher and try a different governor. My ROM and Kernel are in my signature.

Never really had to "try"... on stock 2.3.4 I usually get incredible game time/usage time just from keeping auto-brightness on.
I am going pretty minimalist on widgets though; nothing but LP Sense's own widgets and a clock., so that may also contribute.

TLRtheory said:
Never really had to "try"... on stock 2.3.4 I usually get incredible game time/usage time just from keeping auto-brightness on.
I am going pretty minimalist on widgets though; nothing but LP Sense's own widgets and a clock., so that may also contribute.
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How much brightness do you keep ? is it half or more ?
And.... any other tweaks you do ?
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sufy1000 said:
How much brightness do you keep ? is it half or more ?
And.... any other tweaks you do ?
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I keep the bar on maximum brightness, but AFAIK, that setting is ignored by the auto brightness.
And no tweaks. TBQH, only tweaks I know how to do is maxing camera quality and spoofing R800a to be an R800i.

Running our G pro on 720p resolution?

i want to play MC5 in high settings but it lags like hell so is it possible to change our phones default resolution to 720p?
i tried a few apps avalible on Gplay but the screen looks all blurry & UI gets all messed up
also tried app settings from xposed but the resolution settings dosen't work only dpi changes
if anyone has a link to a guide or has any info regarding this your help is greatly appreciated

Have you tried running xposed module where you can set your CPU to set proglfipes for certain apps I'd try it with mc5 ... Set it to performance gov while mc5 is running.. Maybe that will help .. Mc4 gives me no issues
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shayneflashindaily said:
Have you tried running xposed module where you can set your CPU to set proglfipes for certain apps I'd try it with mc5 ... Set it to performance gov while mc5 is running.. Maybe that will help .. Mc4 gives me no issues
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MC4 plays as smooth as butter for me too but MC5 is in a different league & its very resource hungry
i doubt changing gov's would do any good as phone goes into max perfomance when running a game anyways

coldfear00 said:
MC4 plays as smooth as butter for me too but MC5 is in a different league & its very resource hungry
i doubt changing gov's would do any good as phone goes into max perfomance when running a game anyways
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Good luck.
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coldfear00 said:
MC4 plays as smooth as butter for me too but MC5 is in a different league & its very resource hungry
i doubt changing gov's would do any good as phone goes into max perfomance when running a game anyways
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mc5 runs smooth on my ogpro. Im on radeonmaya's sphinx remod rom. I didnt change any particular settings to make it run smooth. Dunno why its lagging for you.

spirallingspiral said:
mc5 runs smooth on my ogpro. Im on radeonmaya's sphinx remod rom. I didnt change any particular settings to make it run smooth. Dunno why its lagging for you.
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hmm by default MC5 sets itself as medium settings for our phone which works ok for me too but the lagging starts when i set the graphic option to "better" in which i want to play this game[QRCODE][/QRCODE]

I would probably go as far to say that our device just isn't powerful enough for such a high demanding game..... Maybe if over clocking a bit was possible it might help but you might be stuck like chuck with the better graphics ordeal.... If you do come across a way to smooth things out let everyone know.
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coldfear00 said:
hmm by default MC5 sets itself as medium settings for our phone which works ok for me too but the lagging starts when i set the graphic option to "better" in which i want to play this game[QRCODE][/QRCODE]
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Have you tried maxing out gpu clockspeed to 400 mhz? That might help..

I have a copy of a test kernel that runs with ondemand only for CPU but you can over clock the GPU pretty high. I dont think its worth a shot though. Probably too demanding on our device
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shayneflashindaily said:
I have a copy of a test kernel that runs with ondemand only for CPU but you can over clock the GPU pretty high. I dont think its worth a shot though. Probably too demanding on our device
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Cm based kernel
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HTC 10 varying from 50-60 fps

In every game I have played its lagged, I decided to download some apps that showed fps and it shows applications keep varying from 60fps, then seemingly becoming locked at 50 moments later. Can anyone download an app called fps test, it has an orange circle and report back please.

This.is.normal!
It cannot be a locked 60 fps framerate. This is Android we are talking about, not iOS.

Its literally not normal though, I have a galaxy s6 and it is locked to a solid 60fps, its not an intensive app, its literally a 2d bouncing ball

Ultimately I decided that I was very dissatisfied with the performance of the HTC 10 due to this, so it's going back for a refund.

50fps FIX HERE!
Kudos to @ivicask , this issue is fixed in the latest PnP mod test build:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68138407&postcount=356
Remember to select Performance Profile in aroma installer.
And remember to give ivicask a thanks click!
Problem solved.

It wasn't a particular game, it was any game I played. Especially noticeable in 2D games. I've never had this problem on the galaxy s6 or any other phone for that matter. If you want to check for me to see if its the same on all htc 10s, then download an app called fps test, it has an orange circle icon and report back what it says.

andy010101 said:
It wasn't a particular game, it was any game I played. Especially noticeable in 2D games. I've never had this problem on the galaxy s6 or any other phone for that matter. If you want to check for me to see if its the same on all htc 10s, then download an app called fps test, it has an orange circle icon and report back what it says.
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It was about 57-58 at start or with touch screen interaction(hold your finger on the screen). If you leave it be it will be throttled down to 50fps, seemingly a power saving feature(or a bug).

TeroZ said:
It was about 57-58 at start or with touch screen interaction(hold your finger on the screen). If you leave it be it will be throttled down to 50fps, seemingly a power saving feature(or a bug).
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It seems like a very annoying power saving feature if that is truly what it is, it seems to accomplish making things feel less fluid.

Fps test app is clearly not optimised for HTC 10. Download 3DMark for more accurate results. Run on your S6 and HTC10, you'll soon leave your S6 behind. Or use your S6 to play games on the go and buy a PC/console for proper gaming.

andy010101 said:
It seems like a very annoying power saving feature if that is truly what it is, it seems to accomplish making things feel less fluid.
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I've just found out that enabling high performance mode in developer options can lift the 50fps lock. Give it a try
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Fps test app is clearly not optimised for HTC 10. Download 3DMark for more accurate results. Run on your S6 and HTC10, you'll soon leave your S6 behind. Or use your S6 to play games on the go and buy a PC/console for proper gaming.
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This is not the case I'm afraid. It seems that HTC used fps lock to preserve battery life. On the contrary, HTC "optimized" for famous benchmarks like 3dmarks by loosing throttling policies.
I consider locking GPU at 50fps on a 60hz refresh rate screen is kind of a bad move.

You might need to look at CleanSlate kernel, if you are rooted You will be amazed.

Thank you for your response, yeah enabling high performance mode does seem to remove the 50fps however there are still some stutters (none of gs6 although running custom rom), and high performance mode will eat my battery. Don't suppose you know if any custom roms fix this issue?

Black_Eyes said:
You might need to look at CleanSlate kernel, if you are rooted You will be amazed.
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If you root a htc and install the custom kernel, is there a way to return to stock without htc knowing that it has been rooted or whatever?

andy010101 said:
If you root a htc and install the custom kernel, is there a way to return to stock without htc knowing that it has been rooted or whatever?
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I think if you have s-off then it's possible

andy010101 said:
If you root a htc and install the custom kernel, is there a way to return to stock without htc knowing that it has been rooted or whatever?
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They cannot discover that you have rooted your phone when you return fully to stock. But they can see that your bootloader was unlocked. You can always lock it, but it wont say "locked", it will say "relocked". That shouldnt be a problem for warranty purposes imo.

I have the same problem.my HTC 10 most of the time locked at 50 fps(when I release finger from screen) and it is very unusual in flagships such as gs7 or gs6.
Maybe HTC give an update to solve this issue
I also tried high performance option but it takes a lot of battery charge.
Is there anyone else have this problem?any suggestion? I don't wanna root my device for guarantee purposes
Someone please report this issue to HTC support.

CroCop18 said:
They cannot discover that you have rooted your phone when you return fully to stock. But they can see that your bootloader was unlocked. You can always lock it, but it wont say "locked", it will say "relocked". That shouldnt be a problem for warranty purposes imo.
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You can even get the 'locked' flag if you're S-OFF

andy010101 said:
Thank you for your response, yeah enabling high performance mode does seem to remove the 50fps however there are still some stutters (none of gs6 although running custom rom), and high performance mode will eat my battery. Don't suppose you know if any custom roms fix this issue?
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You can disable PnPMgr if you don't want to use high performance mode to achieve the same effect. PnPMgr is HTC's proprietary power manager, disabling it may have an impact on battery life as well but looking at stats the difference isn't that huge in my case.
To disable pnpmgr, you'll need root and download a free app called "Kernel Toolkit". In the app there's a switch called "Pnpmgr" under the tab "Power", disable it.

@andy010101
long breath, here goes
HTC unlike all the previous, really put a leash on the HTC 10 SoC, remember "powerbotics" in their marketing? well it really means is Snapdragon 820 cripple, yet non of the s820 devices like G5/Mi5/OP3 suffer from this, HTC probably did this to squeeze some juice out of battery but don't we have powersaver modes for this? so why cheat...
this is whats going on stock HTC 10:
- The fourth BIG core, out of the two faster cores (which also benefit from bigger cache) will be disabled (via task migration) once battery is around 35c (which is the nominal operation temp anyway) so most of the time unless dead cold the device will be running without one of the big kryo cores, this is noticable in a multithreaded game like Dead Effect 2 which suddenly drops from 60fps range to 30 in 5 minutes
- The GPU governor is a lot more tolerant than it is on the OP3/G5/Mi5 s820 devices, its noticable in GPU loving game like Skyforce where it refuses to ramp up the GPU clocks and so the games runs at 30fps when it should be 60, also Suicide squad high graphics mode is another example
- HTC also locks to 50fps when they user is not interacting, which is discussed and sorted on this page, its a unique issue visible in games like Smash hit or games with offscreen controls
solutions for performance:
- Unlock, flash TWRP, flash EX kernel, the settings in EX are already tweaked to fix the CPU and GPU problems
- Even more you can flash the PNP mod and select performance profile (also i worked with the dev on this) to further unleash your 10 and even improve things like multitasking and standby battery life
just note if you decide to flash both EX and the mod you can set EX kernel min performance level to 0 in order for the pnp mod to take over (discussed here), otherwise without the pnp mod you need to leave EX min performance at the default 60
CleanSlate kernel is said to have the same fixes as well
happy modding the difference is day versus night in performance, Dead Effect 2, Skyforce and Suicide squad will all run in sweet 60 up to 30 minutes without a blink
If you are a stock only user and don't like what you just heard, then by all means take it to HTC, because they really deserve a nuke for this ****

HERE's THE FIX!
50fps FIX HERE!
Kudos to @ivicask :good: , this issue is fixed in the latest PnP mod test build:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68138407&postcount=356
Remember to select Performance Profile in aroma installer.
And remember to give ivicask a thanks click!

Any tips on how to make my phone run Fortnite better?

It runs like **** right now, the rendering resolution is set to 50% and stable 30 FPS is rarity.

our device is equiped with a decent enough cpu but the gpu sucks so dont get your hopes high ... did you try to reduce the resolution in the game launcher ?

david.duchowny said:
It runs like **** right now, the rendering resolution is set to 50% and stable 30 FPS is rarity.
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Maybe it help...
Simple part :
First you can install magisk module like FDE.AI or NFS Injector or LKT (very good this one)
Medium :
Then You can try to overclock cpu and gpu with "kernel audiutor" for exemple. (GPU set to 745, governor on demand)
Hard Way :
Finally You can try to configure the app with "GLTools" (then disable MSAA, lower résolution...)
Good luck.

alaa96 said:
our device is equiped with a decent enough cpu but the gpu sucks so dont get your hopes high ... did you try to reduce the resolution in the game launcher ?
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1. I've heard that A70 has problems with throttling too
2. In game launcher? I didn't see a single option regarding resultion in game launcher. Only in game itself and I lowered it to as much as I could.

david.duchowny said:
It runs like **** right now, the rendering resolution is set to 50% and stable 30 FPS is rarity.
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david.duchowny said:
1. I've heard that A70 has problems with throttling too
2. In game launcher? I didn't see a single option regarding resultion in game launcher. Only in game itself and I lowered it to as much as I could.
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Try this if this will help
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80510279&postcount=24

david.duchowny said:
1. I've heard that A70 has problems with throttling too
2. In game launcher? I didn't see a single option regarding resultion in game launcher. Only in game itself and I lowered it to as much as I could.
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i dont know about the throttling problem though during gaming my phone barely even gets hot ! compared to my s8 which has a beast of a gpu if you put it against the gpu in the a70 my s8 would get super hot during gaming

alaa96 said:
i dont know about the throttling problem though during gaming my phone barely even gets hot ! compared to my s8 which has a beast of a gpu if you put it against the gpu in the a70 my s8 would get super hot during gaming
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Where did you find these options? Is this one of those pre installed "game" apps ?

david.duchowny said:
Where did you find these options? Is this one of those pre installed "game" apps ?
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ckeck this video
https://youtu.be/K2QvlsuJTH4
sorry for the trashy quality i dont know why it turned out like this