Given that the phone has gorilla glass, do you guys thing the phone even need a protective screen cover?
Coming to the end of 2 yr. contract with dhd with screen protector that is looking A little beat up, so am on the fence right now.
any thoughts gratefully recd!
Al
Yes, if you ever plan to re-sale down the road, it will help on pricing. Plus, if you do get scratches, at least its on the screen protector.
Yes, I learned this the hard way on my Galaxy Nexus.
Yes, especially considering how many layers are all glued together. Don't want to replace all that, all at once
better be safe than sorry. also, if you're planning to resell the phone to get better value in the future, it's better to have screen protector.
ive never had a screen protector on any of my smarthphones.
i might try one on this phone though. its my first super expensive smarthphone.
Yes holding this phone is like trying to talk into a living big mouth bass.
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Yes holding this phone is like trying to talk into a living big mouth bass.
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lol wut
1. Yes, you need the screen protector. I learned it the hard way: Desire with scratched screen.
2. Yes, this is my first super expensive phone ever. Never went above €400 before...but this...I know €600...just could not resist
No, didn't for the s2 and no problems. Any scratches should be tiny, and invisible when you're using the thing.
Never had a screen protector on any phone for the past 14 years, not about to start now both my HD2 and S2 have stayed in pristine condition without.
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wow, $2 screen protector is too much for you guys? Do you even need to ask this question? I've used it on my iphone4 since day one with nice gel cover and same with LG O3D. Both look like new when i take them out of the cover. O3D is since last Sept 2011 and Iphone 4 i bought in Sept 2010. Already got good trade in price for ip4 for SIII. Coud'nt wait to get the screen protector for it as well as hard plastic cover which enhances the look of the phone.
Gorilla glass or bullet proof glass it's your gadget you should do whatever it takes to minimize wear and tear. My 2008 Lumina SS still wows passengers as they can't believe it's almost 4 years old car.
Nothing to do with the cost of a screen protector,I just really can't see why I would want one. As I've said, in 14 years of owning mobiles I'm yet to scratch a screen (or drop a phone). I don't use a case either unless I go to the beach - my phone, my choice. Do you guys also wrap all your furniture in plastic so that it doesn't get damaged?
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I've never used a screen protector on my Droid X and there isn't a mark on the screen. My assumption is that Gorilla Glass 2 is even better than Gorilla Glass so I'm not considering a screen protector on my SIII when it arrives. I just don't think any screen saver feels like the original glass of the phone and I just don't like them in general.
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I've never used a screen protector on my Droid X and there isn't a mark on the screen. My assumption is that Gorilla Glass 2 is even better than Gorilla Glass so I'm not considering a screen protector on my SIII when it arrives. I just don't think any screen saver feels like the original glass of the phone and I just don't like them in general.
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Gorilla glass 2 is stronger than 1, but they use less of it to make the phone thin as possible.
I don't know if thickness has anything to do with resisting scratches as I would need to look at their data sheet and experiments but I do know that you will have the same impact resistances.
They advertise "same strength at less thickness" when they presented it a few months back. So don't expect the SGS3 to be better than the SGS2, but expect GG2 to be better than GG1 at the same thicknesses.
Thx to all you guys that responded!
I might look up the specs of gorilla glass and see how scratch proof it is... would pref to go without cover if poss, but then i see the fairly mangled cover of my dhd and think hmmmm!!!
if I find good info i will post
http://bcove.me/5ywumwc9
impressive!!!
info here
HOW IS CORNING® GORILLA® GLASS 2 DIFFERENT?
Gorilla Glass 2 can be up to 20 percent thinner than the original, but still just as tough. This exceptional thinness enables greater design possibilities for slimmer and sleeker devices with brighter images and improved touch sensitivity. Gorilla Glass 2 is elegant and lightweight, but scratch resistant and durable enough to withstand the unexpected abuses of everyday life.
WHY DO I WANT GORILLA GLASS ON MY DEVICES?
Scrapes, bumps, and drops are a fact of life, but Gorilla Glass enables your device to resist damage from the abuses that come with everyday use. Gorilla Glass also has strong aesthetic appeal. It’s thin, lightweight, and cool to the touch – enabling the sleekest designs.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE ION-EXCHANGE PROCESS?
Ion exchange is a chemical strengthening process where large ions are “stuffed” into the glass surface, creating a state of compression. Gorilla Glass is specially designed to maximize this behavior.
The glass is placed in a hot bath of molten salt at a temperature of approximately 400°C. Smaller sodium ions leave the glass, and larger potassium ions from the salt bath replace them. These larger ions take up more room and are pressed together when the glass cools, producing a layer of compressive stress on the surface of the glass. Gorilla Glass’s special composition enables the potassium ions to diffuse far into the surface, creating high compressive stress deep into the glass. This layer of compression creates a surface that is more resistant to damage from everyday use.
WHAT MAKES GORILLA GLASS SO DAMAGE RESISTANT?
The unique composition of Gorilla Glass allows for a deep layer of high compressive stress (created through an ion-exchange process). This compression acts as a sort of “armor,” making the glass exceptionally tough and damage resistant.
HOW DO I KNOW IF GORILLA GLASS IS ON MY DEVICE?
Gorilla Glass is currently used by more than 33 major brands, designed into hundreds of product models, and featured on more than 750 million devices. Check out this list for the most current, comprehensive collection of devices that Corning can confirm for Gorilla Glass.
DOES THIS LIST INCLUDE ALL DEVICES THAT HAVE GORILLA GLASS?
No, unfortunately, customer agreements prevent us from identifying all the devices that feature Gorilla Glass. This list shows all devices we can talk about. We’ll continue to update the list as customers allow us to share that information.
CAN I BREAK GORILLA GLASS?
If subjected to enough abuse, Gorilla Glass can break. However, Gorilla Glass is better able to survive the real-world events that most commonly cause glass to scratch, chip, or break.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF GREATER DAMAGE RESISTANCE, BUT WON’T GORILLA GLASS ADD BULK TO MY DEVICE?
Corning’s ion-exchange process makes Gorilla Glass exceptionally durable, while allowing it to remain thin and lightweight enough to enable the sleekest smartphones and slates. Gorilla Glass can be produced at a thinness of 0.5 millimeters just four times thicker than a human hair.
IS IT TRUE THAT GORILLA GLASS WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED IN THE 1960S?
No. That has been a popular myth, which apparently resulted from a misunderstanding of the facts. It’s true that Corning experimented with chemically strengthened glass in 1960, as part of an initiative called “Project Muscle.” In 1961, Corning developed a glass composition it promoted under the Chemcor® brand, which featured state-of-the-art strength and durability. Chemcor glass was incorporated into tableware, ophthalmic products, and applications for the automotive, aviation, and pharmaceutical industries. When Corning began developing a tough new cover glass for electronic devices in 2006, Corning scientists, of course, drew upon the company’s prior expertise with strengthened glass. However, Corning Gorilla Glass is a different product and glass composition than Chemcor. We implemented significant compositional as well as other changes to achieve superior product characteristics including outstanding damage resistance, while making the glass compatible with Corning’s proprietary fusion-draw manufacturing process. Corning’s fusion-draw process produces exceptionally thin glass with unparalleled surface quality. The result is a tough and damage-resistant glass that is ideal for today’s sleekest electronic devices and most sophisticated touch technology.
IS GORILLA GLASS RECYCLABLE?
Yes. Gorilla Glass is environmentally friendly and can be recycled.
Depends...
My G1 didn't have gorilla glass and after nearly 2 years it was scratch free. I had one on my Samsung GS1 (don't know if it did anything though), but I didn't put one on my Thunderbolt, Droid1, DX1, Bionic, or my Sensation and those are all just fine. Gorilla glass 2 can be scratched, I mean it's still just glass. Gorilla Glass2 can also break. Sadly a screen protector will not prevent your screen from breaking; They only prevent hairline scratches which really shouldn't lower the resale price more than what you would have spent on the screen protector and huge bulky case anyway. I personally like my phones naked.
Just take care of it, don't run around with keys or a bag of sand in your pocket and your phone should be just fine.
-Dr B
I prefer them naked.
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My G1 didn't have gorilla glass and after nearly 2 years it was scratch free. I had one on my Samsung GS1 (don't know if it did anything though), but I didn't put one on my Thunderbolt, Droid1, DX1, Bionic, or my Sensation and those are all just fine. Gorilla glass 2 can be scratched, I mean it's still just glass. Gorilla Glass2 can also break. Sadly a screen protector will not prevent your screen from breaking; They only prevent hairline scratches which really shouldn't lower the resale price more than what you would have spent on the screen protector and huge bulky case anyway. I personally like my phones naked.
Just take care of it, don't run around with keys or a bag of sand in your pocket and your phone should be just fine.
-Dr B
I prefer them naked.
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Actually, a soft screen protector will work as a shock absorber and turn impact energy into heat. This means that it actually does reduce the risk of screen damage. It's fairly basic physics.
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I didn't put one on my GS1 and to this day it doesn't have a single scratch on the screen. The back cover...that's another story. I've even taken it to the beach on several occassions. I don't plan on putting a screen protector on my GS3.
I prefer the feel of the glass without anything on it.
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Check out the drop tests
http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/17/wa...xy-s-ii-take-three-nasty-drops-onto-concrete/
I've already dropped mine three times and it still looks good.. mind you I have no case for it..
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One my first drop i got 2 big scratches
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You could take the audio from the first drop and loop it for the rest of the video and no one would know the difference.
OT: It's nice that it's resilient since my phone is always naked. I'm sure I'll drop it eventually...
There may be something else going on...
Granted, it doesn't have glass on the front and back like the iPhone, but I wouldn't expect the screen to be better than the iPhone's, in terms of impact resistance.
This may be a bit like the Mythbuster's episode, where they were trying to scale up that office chrome-ball executive toy up to the scale of wrecking balls...
Scaled up from small chrome balls to larger all steel balls, the experiment worked beautifully. When they scaled up to full-size however, they just used steel discs, and poured concrete on either side to simulate balls. And the experiment failed.
Why?
Steel is dense, and doesn't absorb energy. Concrete, apparently, does. Called "damping" in the audio world, they make special adhesive asphalt mats to stick to car sheet metal to absorb and "damp" vibrations in the panels
Although it's no Nerf phone, I'm thinking the SGSII's all plastic construction inside absorbs energy better than the aluminum and glass chassis on the iPhone.
And if it hit the screen, I think it would shatter like the iPhone. The difference here is, our screen is fully surrounded by plastic, where the iPhone screen is a fully exposed slab of glass rising above the aluminum antennas (sides of the phone). And back also. So, on a drop, there's more chance of actually impacting the glass.
Obviously having less glass to break helps, but the iPhone screen is more likely to break from a direct impact than the Samsung screen. iPhone's are known for being fragile, while Samsung uses Gorilla Glass which is known to be very durable by comparison. (I don't know if Apple uses any sort of special glass, or if the 4S is any different than it's predecessors.)
Why it's more resilient doesn't really matter though. At the end of the day, dropping your E4GT is far less likely to set you back repair costs than dropping your iPhone.
iPhone 4 uses gorilla glass, on both sides. That's why it shatters so easily... it resists scratches, but that process of increasing that strength makes it less flexible and shatters easier. That's the trade off of gorilla glass.
I've heard rumors the SGS glass uses gorilla glass, but you hear that rumor on any fan forum about every phone coming out by any manufacturer.
I'd believe it if there was one thing from Samsung saying that.
Iphone 4S - 140g.
SGS 2 - 116g.
I dropped mine a couple times. Then a few days later I noticed my screen was cracked. Its up on the top left corner and really hard to even notice.
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iPhone 4 uses gorilla glass, on both sides. That's why it shatters so easily... it resists scratches, but that process of increasing that strength makes it less flexible and shatters easier. That's the trade off of gorilla glass.
I've heard rumors the SGS glass uses gorilla glass, but you hear that rumor on any fan forum about every phone coming out by any manufacturer.
I'd believe it if there was one thing from Samsung saying that.
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As far as I was aware the iPhone uses Gorilla Glass ONLY on the front of the iPhone and NOT on the back which is why we see so many more cracked backs than fronts.
And Samsung HAS made it clear the SGS and SGSII use Gorilla Glass. It's been widely publicized and confirmed.
Iphone doesn't use Gorilla Glass.
Gorilla Glass is both scratch resistant and shatter resistant.
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As far as I was aware the iPhone uses Gorilla Glass ONLY on the front of the iPhone and NOT on the back which is why we see so many more cracked backs than fronts.
And Samsung HAS made it clear the SGS and SGSII use Gorilla Glass. It's been widely publicized and confirmed.
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I'll give you widely publicized, lol. But none of it officially. THAT would make it "confirmed'.
nabbed said:
Iphone 4S - 140g.
SGS 2 - 116g.
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both fall at the same rate, but force on iPhone from pavement is slightly larger.
Doesnt make much of the difference, the difference is the iPhone has less protected glass on both sides
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TurboFool said:
As far as I was aware the iPhone uses Gorilla Glass ONLY on the front of the iPhone and NOT on the back which is why we see so many more cracked backs than fronts.
And Samsung HAS made it clear the SGS and SGSII use Gorilla Glass. It's been widely publicized and confirmed.
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I dont see any Apple product listed
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/products-with-gorilla/full-products-list
geolemon said:
iPhone 4 uses gorilla glass, on both sides. That's why it shatters so easily... it resists scratches, but that process of increasing that strength makes it less flexible and shatters easier. That's the trade off of gorilla glass.
I've heard rumors the SGS glass uses gorilla glass, but you hear that rumor on any fan forum about every phone coming out by any manufacturer.
I'd believe it if there was one thing from Samsung saying that.
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A little searching and you can find countless people that have checked with Samsung or Sprint directly. Samsung's on site explicitly states the SGSII has it: http://www.samsung.com/africa_en/news/newsRead.do?news_seq=27702. So does Corning: http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/products-with-gorilla/full-products-list. It's not quite proof the E4GT has it though, but it's about as sure as you can be without seeing it on Samsung's site.
I see a lot of mixed information about the iPhone glass. Supposedly Apple claims it has Gorilla Glass on the back and front (I don't see it on their site), but many people think it may have regular glass on the back because there's a much higher rate of shattering the back glass compared to the front. It looks like it may be a custom glass that's similar to Gorilla Glass but falls short. In fact, the iPhone 4 is advertised on Apple's site as having an aluminosilicate screen. The wording on the iPhone 4S page is almost identical and neither type of glass is specifically mentioned, leading me to think it's not Gorilla Glass.
Regarding shatter resistance, there is no trade off. It most certainly does not shatter easier. Nowhere will you find that statement corroborated.
At the end of the day though, the iPhone seems to have a well documented history of fragility in comparison to known Gorilla Glass equipped smartphones. So far, the E4GT seems far more durable.
PS ilostmypistons: it says right on that page it's not a comprehensive list. And Apple is exactly the type of company I would expect to hide the 'technical' details. So that means the page can't be trusted completely.
geolemon said:
iPhone 4 uses gorilla glass, on both sides. That's why it shatters so easily... it resists scratches, but that process of increasing that strength makes it less flexible and shatters easier. That's the trade off of gorilla glass.
I've heard rumors the SGS glass uses gorilla glass, but you hear that rumor on any fan forum about every phone coming out by any manufacturer.
I'd believe it if there was one thing from Samsung saying that.
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thing is most brands of device do use Gorilla Glass...not all advertise it, the GG website gets updated every now and again to include it...it's not that expensive...and I don't get what the big deal is. It still shatters easily and sand can still scratch it so I need a screen protector, so, I don't really take claims of something supposedly having Gorilla Glass being all that unbelievable. Additionally I believe they sell the same exact formula hardened glass, likely for less, under a different moniker.
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geolemon said:
iPhone 4 uses gorilla glass, on both sides. That's why it shatters so easily... it resists scratches, but that process of increasing that strength makes it less flexible and shatters easier. That's the trade off of gorilla glass.
I've heard rumors the SGS glass uses gorilla glass, but you hear that rumor on any fan forum about every phone coming out by any manufacturer.
I'd believe it if there was one thing from Samsung saying that.
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There are videos of a guy using his car key to try and scratch his Samsung Galasy SII screen. This phone DOES have Gorilla Glass.
Well, i have done it!!
I have a nice half inch long scratch in my screen. And its not just a scuff, I mean a scratch you can feel!!
Personally I think the whole gorilla glass is a scheme to make you think you have a better product.
I never put anything remotely rough in my pocket with my phone, never set it on the screen, drop it ...blah blah blah. Some how some way I woke up today and found a scratch!! It was nice while it lasted, but I guess it has officially been "broken" in.
should've had one of these screen protectors:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005P15G8K/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00
Even if they came out with some crazy diamond hard screen,I would still use a screen protector.it's just insurance.
Not spell checked nor checked for grammar on my genetic phone
Always use a screen protector and a TPU if you value your phone.
Gorilla glass resists breakage and is thinner than comparable-strength traditional glass. Nothing is scratch-proof.
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Always use a screen protector and a TPU if you value your phone.
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Thats what I use. Dropped my phone for the first time today and not a scratch or dent. I wasn't worried though.
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I used to be one to always use a case and screen protector, but when I had the Evo3d the screen protector ruined the 3d so I kept it off.
I liked the feel of the glass better so I left it off my E4GT, and one day I cleaned the screen and created a inch long scratch. I am assuming there was a piece of dirt on the screen cleaning cloth I always use.
The gorilla glass is to help with broken screens (think how many iphones have broken glass), not scratches. It bothers the crap out of me. I will be an invisashield customer again on my next phone...
Gorilla Glass is Unbreakable,
Unscratchable, Unbreakable. Undeformable, Unsmudgeable and Indestructible!!
Jk about the above :-D
I wrote a post about this topic with links.
Will find it later on.
Gorilla Glass is Resistant to scratches, pits, chips, breaks, etc. under certain conditions, where glass would not be.
Under other conditions, hardly any material which can be used for the screen of a Smartphone screen is Impervious to the above, at this time.
With the above being said, I recently noticed faint, light scratches when viewing my E4GT under certain Sun angles.
I applied a screen protector a short while ago to lessen the risks of deeper scratches, etc.
I think the issues are:
- many believe Gorilla Glass is Impervious to damage.
- advertisement and spec sheets are not as clear as they could be regarding the real world properties of Gorilla Glass.
Oh, Be Careful where there is SAND, aka THE BEACH ;-)
Sand WILL Scratch GG, as that is Etched in Stone lol! Sand has a Hardness of approx. '7' on the Mohs Hardness Scale.
GG, I believe is '6-6.5,' which is slightly Harder than glass. Sand, which are Quartz particles, are a 7 in hardness, hence sand will scratch the crap outta your screen!
Screen Protecters are approx. 3-3.5
in Hardness I believe, but you can easily (subjective) replace them.
Btw, dust in the air contains quartz particles also.
Googling Corning Gorilla Glass will give you a better idea of it's properties.
I found it very informative.
Biker1 said:
Gorilla Glass is Unbreakable,
Unscratchable, Unbreakable. Undeformable, Unsmudgeable and Indestructible!!
Jk about the above :-D
I wrote a post about this topic with links.
Will find it later on.
Gorilla Glass is Resistant to scratches, pits, chips, breaks, etc. under certain conditions, where glass would not be.
Under other conditions, hardly any material which can be used for the screen of a Smartphone screen is Impervious to the above, at this time.
With the above being said, I recently noticed faint, light scratches when viewing my E4GT under certain Sun angles.
I applied a screen protector a short while ago to lessen the risks of deeper scratches, etc.
I think the issues are:
- many believe Gorilla Glass is Impervious to damage.
- advertisement and spec sheets are not as clear as they could be regarding the real world properties of Gorilla Glass.
Oh, Be Careful where there is SAND, aka THE BEACH ;-)
Sand WILL Scratch GG, as that is Etched in Stone lol! Sand has a Hardness of approx. '7' on the Mohs Hardness Scale.
GG, I believe is '6-6.5,' which is slightly Harder than glass. Sand, which are Quartz particles, are a 7 in hardness, hence sand will scratch the crap outta your screen!
Screen Protecters are approx. 3-3.5
in Hardness I believe, but you can easily (subjective) replace them.
Googling Corning Gorilla Glass will give you a better idea of it's properties.
I found it very informative.
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He speaks the truth about sand!!! Unfortunately.....
Yeah..maybe a sand issue...I was in Florida over the weekend.
Lesson learned...I do like the feel of the bare glass, but may have to invest in a screen protector for the future.
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In the past, I've tried the following screen protectors:
1) Boxwave
2) Zagg InvisibleSHIELD
3) Steinheil Crystal Clear
I am currently using #3, and like it the best.
2 to a pack.
I usually screw up the first application with any protector, so having 2 is a plus.
Very transparent. Feel is very smooth.
Finger gliding is Excellent.
Goes on Dry.
Scratch resistance is pretty good. Actually very good. But remember the MOHs Hardness Scale examples I previously listed.
#3 here also, love it, no bubbles at all, great stuff.
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Thats what I have on my screen! Stienheil :O!
I've dropped my phone numerous times from a good distance but one day I had it in my back pocket (not the first time) and sat down. When I pulled my phone out it had a cracked screen -__-
I also have some scratches on my device. Gorilla is not diamond. But I still don't use screen protector, after 2 years, maybe I upgrade another phone.
Like the poster on the first page said..the grains of sand will get you if you aren't careful. I got a little scratch on my Nexus that way and I went right out and got a screen protector for my Epic Touch. I definitely prefer the feel of bare screen but a scratch really irritates me
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Scratches annoy the crap out of me. I've only had this phone for like two months and I'm on my fifth screen protector. Going to try the steinhall one next. How does that lotus glass compare to gorilla as far as scratch resistance?
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Scratches annoy the crap out of me. I've only had this phone for like two months and I'm on my fifth screen protector. Going to try the steinhall one next. How does that lotus glass compare to gorilla as far as scratch resistance?
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Lotus Glass is called Corning Gorilla Glass 2. I believe Lotus Glass was the speculated name given prior to it officially becoming available. I'm unsure, if any, what devices are currently using it.
I've read on the Corning site that is has the same scratch, break resistant,etc. properties, but that it can be made up to 20% thinner, and keep the same strength and properties as the original Gorilla Glass.
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/news/press-releases/corning-unveils-new-gorilla®-glass-2
i dropped my phone down some tile stairs. it must have had about 15 contacts and almost slid from the second floor to the first floor.... only had bumps on the bezel and slight scratches on the screen. not noticeable when the screen was on... very durable i must say.
Personally I just can't bring myself to use a screen protector or case. Part of the reason I picked this phone was because of it's profile. The idea of hiding it away in a bulky case and noticeable screen protector makes me cringe.
I don't find it too hard to be careful with my phone. I bought my E4GT at release and I've never dropped it or sat on it and there are no scratches on the screen save for one tiny, faint one that I can only see if the screen is off and the light hits it just right.
Granted people with certain lifestyles can't get away with this. My dad is a mechanic and if it weren't in a case he'd destroy his phone inside a week. Luckily I'm practically a hermit with my face buried in textbooks all day long...
PS I forgot, I do keep a TPU case laying around for traveling. I haven't used it yet, but if I were going somewhere potentially hazardous to my phone I would.
i never use protective glass on my older phones , i never put keys or other metallic things in the same pocket, in less than 1 month i see some tiny scratch on display of my lg g7.
i cant understand how "WOW GORILLA GLASS 5!!!" and in 1 month with a normal use it have some scratch
no one of my old phones have gorilla glass and their screen is with less scratch
Isn't that a good point to actually use screen protectors? They hardly add thickness or weight and if you would ever get scratches, you can just replace them.
As for how the gg5 received its scratch, we may never know. I'm not an expert on the "hardness" of everyday dust, sand or other materials but there surely is a way to even scratch the hardest glass on the planet given the right conditions. Some trade-offs will be involved when designing materials that are scratch resistant, flexible, clear, easy to clean and apply, long-lasting, cheap to produce, oleophobic, heat-resistant, etc. all at the very same time.
Gorilla Glass 5 is mostly aiming for durability (a.k.a the screen not to break when you drop the phone)
How good is Gorilla Glass Victus glass? Will it still need a Screen protector? The curved edges make my hesitant about using a screen protector.
Thoughts?
I looked at JerryRigEverything's videos on the S20 Ultra and S21 Ultra (or Gorilla Glass 6 vs Victus)
It seemed that it scratched just the same. I also saw an article where the Corning person admitted that it'll still get scratched by sand, dust, coins, and keys in your pocket.
That said, I haven't decided what I want to do yet. I love tempered glass protectors but they're usually terrible on curved screens and I hate the plastic feeling ones.
It's still a 6/7 on mohs scale.
The only difference is that Victus is slightly more durable, meaning it can endure a bit more force/pressure (newton), something like 8 instead of 5. So your phone will still break and scratch, but it requires a bit more effort to damage it.
Of course it won't help you with sand or anything solid that might make a dent with little amount of effort/pressure.
I haven't used screen protectors in years now. Just don't keep your phone in the same pocket with your keys and you'll be fine. There's only a small percentage of people out there who would need a screen protector, because they operate in rough environments.
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I haven't used screen protectors in years now. Just don't keep your phone in the same pocket with your keys and you'll be fine. There's only a small percentage of people out there who would need a screen protector, because they operate in rough environments.
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Every time I've tried that, the screen gets scratched. All the way up to iPhone 12 pro max.
goddammit said:
I haven't used screen protectors in years now. Just don't keep your phone in the same pocket with your keys and you'll be fine. There's only a small percentage of people out there who would need a screen protector, because they operate in rough environments.
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I wish it was this easy in desert climates. Even with shaking out my pockets regularly, a stray piece of sand always manages to find its way to my screens within the first couple months.
FWIW I had the S21 Ultra before this (also using Victus) and it managed to get scratched. Nothing deep, but it was noticeable in sunlight. I'm planning on keeping the Pixel for a good while, so I actually picked up a TPU screen protector for it.
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I wish it was this easy in desert climates. Even with shaking out my pockets regularly, a stray piece of sand always manages to find its way to my screens within the first couple months.
FWIW I had the S21 Ultra before this (also using Victus) and it managed to get scratched. Nothing deep, but it was noticeable in sunlight. I'm planning on keeping the Pixel for a good while, so I actually picked up a TPU screen protector for it.
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At this point there is no such screen protector that doesn't degrade usability of this phone. Curved screen AND the damn on-screen fingerprint reader made sure of that. It's down to everyone's personal philosophy, but in my view the phone should serve me, not the other way around.
For what it's worth, even without screen protectors I didn't have any visible scratches on my Pixel 2 XL or 4 XL, after 2 years of usage each, so I'm gonna risk it this time too.
After 6 days I have the first scratch in the display. The device was always carried isolated in a cargo pocket. I will probably send it back.
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At this point there is no such screen protector that doesn't degrade usability of this phone. Curved screen AND the damn on-screen fingerprint reader made sure of that.
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And that's just... completely untrue. I'm using a TPU based protector, fingerprint works 100%, every damn time. When the UV based protectors come out, they'll work 100%, every time. Optical protectors are a LOT easier to use with screen protectors.
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And that's just... completely untrue. I'm using a TPU based protector, fingerprint works 100%, every damn time. When the UV based protectors come out, they'll work 100%, every time. Optical protectors are a LOT easier to use with screen protectors.
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Likewise. Using Armorsuit plastic screen protector and 100% fingerprint function (and it's fast!)
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Sand will scratch any type of glass. I had a old S4 that was nearing the end of it's service life.
It had no scratches after over 3 years and bare glass feels better so... within 3-4 months with no protector it had 3 easily visible scratches. In spite of keeping it as clean as possible using a microfiber cloth for cleaning.
Unprotected glass will get scratched...
I always put screen protectors on my phones until I got the Essential Phone. No tempered glass screen protectors would work on it, and I did not like the alternatives. I decided to go without one and just "try" to be careful. It did not take long before I had a lot of tiny scratches all over my screen. When I got a deep scratch on my PH-1, I went back to the TPU wet apply screen protector that I did not like, but it is better than the alternative. I did not use my Pixel 6 Pro as my daily driver until my screen protector arrived the next day. I have to say that the TPU screen protector I purchased is much better than the one I used for my PH-1. Very pleased with it. I think the brand is IMBZBK or something like that. I have never heard of it before, and only got it until I could get a brand name protector. I may continue using it until it gives me trouble. I highly recommend a screen protector on your Pixel 6!
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Sand will scratch any type of glass. I had a old S4 that was nearing the end of it's service life.
It had no scratches after over 3 years and bare glass feels better so... within 3-4 months with no protector it had 3 easily visible scratches. In spite of keeping it as clean as possible using a microfiber cloth for cleaning.
Unprotected glass will get scratched...
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Modern phones displays can withstand a 6-7 on Mohs scale.
Sand is a 7.
Hardened steel is, by the way, 7-8.
Aluminium is, by the way, 2.5-3. Only because it's mixed with other metals & refined can it withstand some of the everyday life abuse. It's still **** compared to hardened steel. It's a shame that only Apple uses stainless steel with their IPhones. I would love to have a Pixel with stainless steel. The few grams I don't care about, give me the durability...
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Modern phones displays can withstand a 6-7 on Mohs scale.
Sand is a 7.
Hardened steel is, by the way, 7-8.
Aluminium is, by the way, 2.5-3. Only because it's mixed with other metals & refined can it withstand some of the everyday life abuse. It's still **** compared to hardened steel. It's a shame that only Apple uses stainless steel with their IPhones. I would love to have a Pixel with stainless steel. The few grams I don't care about, give me the durability...
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Yeah?
Sand will still scratch it... it's easy to test
I notice Corning isn't bragging about its hardness.
Optical sapphire is 9. Apple toyed with u$ing it.
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Sand will still scratch it... it's easy to test
I notice Corning isn't bragging about its hardness.
Optical sapphire is 9. Apple toyed with u$ing it.
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Apples Sapphire is sh*t. It's fake. They only use a partial sapphire screen, which means that it's hardness is still a 6-7.
I think HTC's sapphire U Ultra is the only phone/smart device to date with a decent ("real") Sapphire screen. Other than that you will only find expensive watches with a pure Sapphire screen.
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Apples Sapphire is sh*t. It's fake. They only use a partial sapphire screen, which means that it's hardness is still a 6-7.
I think HTC's sapphire U Ultra is the only phone/smart device to date with a decent ("real") Sapphire screen. Other than that you will only find expensive watches with a pure Sapphire screen.
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To my knowledge optical sapphire has only been used for camera lense protection. Optically it's not as clear as glass, it has a slight tint. I still wouldn't buy an Apple...
While sand is the most common abrasive floating around it's not the only. Gravel can range up to RH 8 so a screen protector can save it from marring in a glancing slide or a low impact drop.
Face plants into gravel are always a thrill...
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To my knowledge optical sapphire has only been used for camera lense protection. Optically it's not as clear as glass, it has a slight tint. I still wouldn't buy an Apple...
While sand is the most common abrasive floating around it's not the only. Gravel can range up to RH 8 so a screen protector can save it from marring in a glancing slide or a low impact drop.
Face plants into gravel are always a thrill...
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I can only repeat myself: Apples implementation of Sapphire on their apple watches & on the backside of devices (camera lense protection) is fake. It was tested all day long on Youtube by people using Mohs picks, it scratched at 6 and 7, which means that it's only Sapphire in name. There is no optical "sapphire" used by Apple, it's a fancy marketing word and only that.
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To my knowledge optical sapphire has only been used for camera lense protection. Optically it's not as clear as glass, it has a slight tint. I still wouldn't buy an Apple...
While sand is the most common abrasive floating around it's not the only. Gravel can range up to RH 8 so a screen protector can save it from marring in a glancing slide or a low impact drop.
Face plants into gravel are always a thrill...
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I always watch out for meteor showers...
Yeah as said before marketing nonsense. I think the saphire would shatter too easy if they needed to get it that thin for weight control
Hello,
I want to buy a P6P, but the only thing holding me back are the Reddit complaints and some YT reviews stating that the device gets scratched very very easily due to the GGV used on it? Can you share your experience.
Thanks.
Welcome to XDA, @dimitarfive.
I haven't noticed since I have an OtterBox Defender case and Whitestone Dome tempered glass screen protector. Same with my wife's P6P.
I don't think it scratches any more than other phones. I use a flip case without screen protector. I do have 2 or 3 miniscule scratches that are only visible under certain angles or lighting conditions. I would say that it all depends on how you protect and treat your phone.
Sand scratches all glass. Use a case and a screen protector. My 2.5 yo N10+ has no scratches or damage in spite of more then a few drops because it's always in a case with a screen protector. The case should have slightly raised guards on all sides of the display to help prevent contact on face plants.
A good case lessens high G loading that can damage internal components like BGA chipsets during an impact.
I've never used a screen protector, since the beginning of smartphones (Dell Streak 5). I keep my phone in a slim case, and it goes into a padded belt clip case (turtleback brand). My phone is used constanly, and I've never scratched one. But, I also don't go to the beach, or other functions that would allow dirt/rock/debris to get to the screen.
I know accidents can happen, but I try to treat my phones as the EXPENSIVE things they are.
p51d007 said:
I've never used a screen protector, since the beginning of smartphones (Dell Streak 5). I keep my phone in a slim case, and it goes into a padded belt clip case (turtleback brand). My phone is used constanly, and I've never scratched one. But, I also don't go to the beach, or other functions that would allow dirt/rock/debris to get to the screen.
I know accidents can happen, but I try to treat my phones as the EXPENSIVE things they are.
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I live the desert. Just for giggles I finally took the screen protector off my old S4+, it felt good.
Within 4 months in spite off being careful it had a couple scratches. One grain of sand is all it takes... and sand is found everywhere.
Any pocket grit can mar glass.
Your dry fingers are also abrasive to glass and will gradually wear it down over time.
No screen protector, never used them. Day one purchase and no scratches. I don't think it scratches any easier than any other phone.
6 month old P6P here and it is scratch free.
Somehow, I got a scratch on my screen. It's a small ding and it doesn't bother me, but it's there. I don't use screen protectors, don't like them.
No screen protector but got a case since day 1 in October. No visible scratches.
I noticed micro scratches within the first week - so I am using a screen protection for the first time in my life.
dimitarfive said:
Hello,
I want to buy a P6P, but the only thing holding me back are the Reddit complaints and some YT reviews stating that the device gets scratched very very easily due to the GGV used on it? Can you share your experience.
Thanks.
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That's an interesting topic.
And, factually, it is true that the Pixel 6 Pro scratches quite easily, compared to previous models.
Now, why is that?
The reason is the so-called Gorilla Glass Victus. It's a new product by Corning - a product that is in use in a number of phones, including IPhones. And that's where the interesting part comes in. All Gorilla Glass Victus phones are more prone to (micro) scratches.
Meaning that the Pixel 6 Pro does scratch more easily compared to previous models, but so does any other flagship with Victus glass, currently.
You might ask yourself: Why did Corning release a product that is prone to get scratched more easily? Well, the answer is quite simple: Drop protection. Gorilla Glass Victus is harder to scratch on a deeper level and is much more resistant to drop damage, at least in theory, according to Corning.
In the end, you will be best advised to get a screen protector on. The Pixel 6 Pro is a good phone. I can't call it great, since battery life and reception could both be much better, but you will have a hard time to find a package this good (awesome camera, many software features, timely updates, good root support (Samsung hates root), decent hardware quality, good hardware values on paper) somewhere else. The Pixel 6 Pro is a phone that I can recommend, but it's still a phone that can improve in a number of areas, but so does any other phone.
Considering that the P6a is on the horizon, and it's usually a much better bang for the buck, you might be best advised though, to hold out and wait for that phone (as far as I know, the P6a will be revealed in May).
Morgrain said:
That's an interesting topic.
And, factually, it is true that the Pixel 6 Pro scratches quite easily, compared to previous models.
Now, why is that?
The reason is the so-called Gorilla Glass Victus. It's a new product by Corning - a product that is in use in a number of phones, including IPhones. And that's where the interesting part comes in. All Gorilla Glass Victus phones are more prone to (micro) scratches.
Meaning that the Pixel 6 Pro does scratch more easily compared to previous models, but so does any other flagship with Victus glass, currently.
You might ask yourself: Why did Corning release a product that is prone to get scratched more easily? Well, the answer is quite simple: Drop protection. Gorilla Glass Victus is harder to scratch on a deeper level and is much more resistant to drop damage, at least in theory, according to Corning.
In the end, you will be best advised to get a screen protector on. The Pixel 6 Pro is a good phone. I can't call it great, since battery life and reception could both be much better, but you will have a hard time to find a package this good (awesome camera, many software features, timely updates, good root support (Samsung hates root), decent hardware quality, good hardware values on paper).
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Which phone do you call good?
Scratches at a level 6 with deeper grooves at a level 7 just like all other glass phones...
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In my experience, yeah, it scratches really easily.
I've never used screen protectors before, and I baby my phones, but within the first two weeks I had multiple scratches on the screen to the point where I had to put on a screen protector just for my sanity. I'm seriously considering getting the screen replaced entirely because of it.
stroke55 said:
I noticed micro scratches within the first week - so I am using a screen protection for the first time in my life.
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Same happened to me, I never used screen protectors in the past and I could go several months to a year with very minor scuffs. With the P6 I got a heavy scratch after 3 days.
If you're worried about scratches and want peace of mind just use a screen protector. Glass is glass and will always scratch under the right conditions no matter how much GG hypes it up.
I think the oleophobic coating could be better but scratches are not a problem for me. My release pixel was 4 months without a screen protector and it looked fine, same for my new device after 2 months.
Had mine since mid January, no screen protector...not one scratch. I use a turtleback case. I've never had a screen protector on any of my smartphones. Last phone I had with a protector, was one of those old PDA type phones.
My back glass is COVERED in scuffs and scratches. I'm glad I got the white model because you really do have to inspect it properly to see it