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[Q] CWM, Rogue, and ROMS

So heres a question:
Wgy do we have rogue recovery with the kernels when we cant flash ROMs from it.
Well we arent supposed to.
Why not repack the kernel with pure CWM and eliminate everyone form having to take the extra step of flshing back to CWM before flashing a new ROM

tramane said:
So heres a question:
Wgy do we have rogue recovery with the kernels when we cant flash ROMs from it.
Well we arent supposed to.
Why not repack the kernel with pure CWM and eliminate everyone form having to take the extra step of flshing back to CWM before flashing a new ROM
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It won't matter as its the ics kernel that is the problem not rouge not Acs not cwm.....
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I've been flashing with it. So have plenty of others. Some people bricked and they may have been using rogue but I wrecked a Honda once.... Its usually user error.
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You have a point.Im coming from original Epic 4g and im deffinetly confused about the kernels on Epic Touch.
This is what I mean:On original Epic they had kernels that you could flash on top of just about any rom in cwm or odin.But for Epic Touch im yet to find any kernels for it.Yes there are some stock EL29EG31,etc.. in wiki pages but thats it?
There are only two kernels on wiki that are non stock and they are Hitman's kernel and Rogue kernel,is that all we got?Og Epic had about 30 different nonstock kernels.
So my question is this:
1 Are Rogue and Hitman kernels come with their own cwm?
2 Are Rogue and Hitman are only two nonstock kernels?
3 Are all the other lernels on wiki EL29,EL26,EG30,etc.. are just stock or modified stock?
4 Can any of those kernels(besides ics Rogue of course) be flashed to any GB rom?
5 Are there any difference between different versions of Rogue and Hitman?Or latest is the best?
6 And if Rogue and Hitman also come bundled with their own version of cwm,what is the difference between those two cwm's?
I been on original epic xda forums for years and this **** is confusing,they should make a thread for new people.

Pretty sure its not user error, given that at least 3 of our most prominent bleeding edge devs bricked doing it. I made the mistake of believing it was user error, but all evidence points to the contrary.
The reason we have recovery on ICS kernels is there are things at this point that you can safely flash (basically, anything that doesn't wipe data). You can safely flash the visual voicemail .zips from rogue ICS recovery on AOSP roms, for example. But you can't flash a whole rom. You can make a nandroid for later restore from EL26 cwm. You can do a lot of things actually. Just don't flash an actual rom, and you should be fine.
lviv the reason there aren't many options on the ET for recovery is there aren't many devs that work with it. SteadyHawkin repacks rogue for us, and that's about it. We used to have a few others that did so, but now it's just SH. Personally I don't really care as rogue recovery works perfectly fine, and the reason we use stock CWM from EL26 is because it's all we need (no point in repacking another kernel since we all have access to that one, why waste the effort to put CWM on EL29 when chris41g did a fine job on EL26 and we are all using it for ICS flashing right now?). No point putting any more work into packing a diff recovery on ICS kernels when there's no source and there's a ton of fear of bricking going on.
I'm certainly no dev, but those are my observations.

I've said this before in the threads discussing the bricks. I am not a dev, so they can correct me.
I don't think the bricks had anything to do with the rogue repacks. I think it has to do with the way ICS handles the data partition. It seemed like the bulk of the bricks happened when we tried a factory reset, or wipe data and at that point we burned up our emmc chips.
Sounds crazy that that is possible just wiping a data partition, but it was pretty consistent.
At first I thought it was the temp touch recovery because that was what people were using when ICS was first leaked. I think most of us were also flashing it through the stock recover rather than odin or mobile odin. But, it began happening with rogue repacks as well.
Once the source drops these problems will probably clear up.
To the ops question, someone already answered. We can flash just about everything else with the repacks. I prefer the rogue repacks because he has streamlined them making them handier to use.
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I understand that some have had luck and others haven't. It just seems to me that if it doesn't brick every phone then it can't be the recovery itself. There has to be another common denominator. I guess the issue is that until that common denominator is figured out it could be dangerous to use.
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Devi0124 said:
I understand that some have had luck and others haven't. It just seems to me that if it doesn't brick every phone then it can't be the recovery itself. There has to be another common denominator. I guess the issue is that until that common denominator is figured out it could be dangerous to use.
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Exactly, I have been flashing things with the Rouge recoveries with no issues at all. I always use the Format all zip though and not the wipe in recovery, and that does wipe data so not really sure what is causing people to brick there phones.

I've never bricked using the ICS repacked recoveries, and I've used em to flash to different roms without format.zips before we knew it was even an issue, but now that I know this could potentially brick your phone, I won't be doing anything in recovery anymore except flashing themes or something that does not involve wiping. I'm not longer on ICS anymore though, as I see it completely pointless until official is out. Too much flashing, and not enough functionality ATM to see usable, runs kinda slow too, not complaining at all just stating why I'm not on it, when it's official it will be great, and the devs will be able to tweak the final build for some massive speed.

It is the data partition I believe, I'm not 100% sure on this but I think the wipe in recovery doesnt actually just wipe but reformats and resets the partition sizes whereas the wipeall zips just erase the data leaving the partitions alone
To simplify compare it to reformatting your harddrive in your PC.vs just factory resetting it or deleteing the data off of the drive leaving the OS intact but removing added on data
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i flashed roms with rouge

FYI there's evidence of problems in the kernel source.
I9100 update4 seems fine - but apparently Koreans are having lots of problems with the SHW-M250S/K/L source drop, and also gokhanmoral of SiyahKernel encountered a bunch of bricks when he attempted to rebase on the SHW-M250* source code base.

I'm another original epic owner that just switched to the touch....I've rooted and flashed ics.....now over there on the epic 4g we don't have ics source either...but we have cwm that flashes roms ,backups, restores, we can even flash a ROM to boot from the sdcard to calibrate the sensors and update your prl....so why do we need source on the touch to acquire those luxuries?
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rujelus22 said:
Exactly, I have been flashing things with the Rouge recoveries with no issues at all. I always use the Format all zip though and not the wipe in recovery, and that does wipe data so not really sure what is causing people to brick there phones.
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Same here as far as flashing things via rogue recovery. I even nandroided back to a gb rom from the fc24 repack, after wiping manually. I am not a fan of wipe all, i just like to verify my actions, so I do it manually. I am definitely not sure what is causing issues, but different phones have different actions on kernels in general, and our phones arent even near ready to handle them. That is why it is taking so long in order to push out official ICS, cause they need it to function on every phone, not just one. I am running mijjah XPLOD mini, and it works fantastic on my phone, but during charging it overheated until I flashed over the FD19 kernel.... Then problem solved. Maybe just a lot of these phones were first gen epic touches, and they couldnt handle the newest kernel..... I just bought my phone in december, so maybe my phone can handle it.... Just a something to ponder over.
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Entropy512 said:
FYI there's evidence of problems in the kernel source.
I9100 update4 seems fine - but apparently Koreans are having lots of problems with the SHW-M250S/K/L source drop, and also gokhanmoral of SiyahKernel encountered a bunch of bricks when he attempted to rebase on the SHW-M250* source code base.
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Thanks Entropy512 for the great response and insight! I hope more of the newbies (and some of the other hold outs) read your post. If guys like you, SiyahKernel, SteadyHawkin and some of other unbelievably fantastic devs can major issues and/or brick their device, and have found it to be the kernal (the other 'real' devs' have said that too!); than I for one and going with that! Thanks for all your work. Hopefully we'll get the final real source soon and than can pick through that.

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It is the data partition I believe, I'm not 100% sure on this but I think the wipe in recovery doesnt actually just wipe but reformats and resets the partition sizes whereas the wipeall zips just erase the data leaving the partitions alone
To simplify compare it to reformatting your harddrive in your PC.vs just factory resetting it or deleteing the data off of the drive leaving the OS intact but removing added on data
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I think you nailed it EK. If you watch what's going on in recovery when you flash the format all zip, it formats system which is not the same as a factory reset. After system it formats cache and dalvik. I haven't heard of any bricks flashing Calkulin's format all zip with an ICS recovery and then flashing an ICS rom. I've done it myself a few times but to be safe I now flash the EL26 kernel first.

[Q] help with updating

I have been searching for days now and I keep getting thigns confused with the other epic 4g touch (stupid effing retards, who decided on that naming) and its driving me crazy
I have the old epic 4g with the slide out keyboard
I have 2.2 ec05 I think, its midnightrom 5.5 ext4
I want to update to stock 2.3 as I think its available (or is that the other epic 4g again?) and then go about picking a new rom to use
I cant remember if I have to convert back to rfs before using odin, or can I just get a 2.3 stock ext4 rom with cwm or bonsai whatever is used now
I have been away from the forums for a few months and I am way behind - like I said I spent like 2-3 days so far searching and reading all sorts of crap that wasnt helpful or got me confused so I am coming here for help
what do I do first?

Sounds like you should be able to flash the new CWM 5.0.2.7 which can be found in the Roll up sticky in the top of Development and then flash an EL30 or FC09 ROM. You will also have to look into whether you want to switch to MTD (non samsung partition gives you more app space) or stick to BML. You may want to try Sleeper which detects your file system and keeps it. CleanGB and The People's ROM are good choices too. Or you may want to brave new frontiers altogether and choose an AOSP ROM based on ICS like CM9 or AOKP. You might want to take it slow and just update to a Touchwiz ROM for now. The People's ROM is very Bonsai-ish.
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kennyglass123 said:
Sounds like you should be able to flash the new CWM 5.0.2.7 which can be found in the Roll up sticky in the top of Development and then flash an EL30 or FC09 ROM. You will also have to look into whether you want to switch to MTD (non samsung partition gives you more app space) or stick to BML. You may want to try Sleeper which detects your file system and keeps it. CleanGB and The People's ROM are good choices too. Or you may want to brave new frontiers altogether and choose an AOSP ROM based on ICS like CM9 or AOKP. You might want to take it slow and just update to a Touchwiz ROM for now. The People's ROM is very Bonsai-ish.
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first is odin still used, I dont see much mentioning it anymore other then for CWM - some roms were odin files that did everything for you all at once
I think I have CWM on there also but at the time I needed bonsai (I think thats the name) to flash the midnightrom 5.5 so I installed that, if I can have both at the same time then I have both, if not then can I just install CWM5 the normal way or do I have to go back to stock first
probably going to do the CM9 rom I am using midnightrom and it was one of the best when it was new but the developer has sick kids and cant really keep up which makes sense so I want a new one and I dont want unstable roms - so most of what I have read has said that CM9 is really good and its ICS so thats cool I am still on 2.2 now
I dont need to backup anything other then sms which I have already so thats no problem all the apps I will just reinstall anyways and google backups my contacts
I really dont care if I start from scratch and I would prefer to wipe everything and start over because in the past with roms on other phones and this one updating wasnt as good as a new install so I will probably go that route
not sure about the MTD/BML I will have to look into that but I am running ext4 now journaling on so I assume I have to change the format back to rfs before messing with that

No one is making odin ROM tars anymore because there is a general dislike of Odin. You can flash the CWM 5.027, then 3 finger into, wipe data, cache and dalvik the flash CM9 and the immediately flash the gapps which is the google apps for things like the market (Play store now), Gmail and other stuff. Odin whichever modem you like at anytime.
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kennyglass123 said:
No one is making odin ROM tars anymore because there is a general dislike of Odin. You can flash the CWM 5.027, then 3 finger into, wipe data, cache and dalvik the flash CM9 and the immediately flash the gapps which is the google apps for things like the market (Play store now), Gmail and other stuff. Odin whichever modem you like at anytime.
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yea I dont like odin either
but will I have to use odin for the model update or do the roms do that now also, I am on EC05 now

Well there are some flashable deltas that can get you from EC05 to EI22, then from there to EL30, then another to get you to FC09. Some have had unreliable results on the last one. It is easier to just Odin the one you want.
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well since I have ext4 not rfs I would have to convert back to rfs, I think that cwm and/or bonsai will do this for me - then I could use the samsung software to "restore" my phone to stock and do a ota update to get the latest modem? - I think that the samsung software is odin in a different skin but whatever
again like I said sorry I have been out of the roms for about 1 year and things move so fast with this sorta stuff that I am like starting from scratch again

leftkidney said:
well since I have ext4 not rfs I would have to convert back to rfs, I think that cwm and/or bonsai will do this for me - then I could use the samsung software to "restore" my phone to stock and do a ota update to get the latest modem? - I think that the samsung software is odin in a different skin but whatever
again like I said sorry I have been out of the roms for about 1 year and things move so fast with this sorta stuff that I am like starting from scratch again
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No. It doesn't matter because CM9 will convert you to MTD with yaffs2 file system. You are clearing all data anyway. Just flash cwm5, wipe everything and flash.
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well thanks for the help I have installed CM9 and I am happy with it
I have some questions or comments about it so I will post them in the CM9 topic

Going from Blazer ICS Rom to AOKP ICS Rom

I have my rooted E4GT and the Blazer ICS Rom is installed on it at the moment. I kinda want to try and switch to AOKP's latest build and try it out, but I'm not sure how to go about doing that since they clearly stated not to flash from ICS to ICS.
Could anyone point me in the right direction as to what I should do in order to make the switch to AOKP?
Links to both ROM's respective threads:
AOKP Build 40
Phantom's Blazer Rom
Thanks for your time.

You can just Odin the el26 cwm (sorry don't have the link to it on my phone) and flash AOKP from there.
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This is my method, it is 99.9% safe. You can also re-use it to go from other ROMs to any other ics ROM.
Download these drivers
Download this: OC ODIN File for EL26 and this: E4GT Root Utility
Using Titanium Backup, make a backup of all your stuff, or use your preferred back-upper, just not nandroid. I recommend buying the Pro version, because it will save you so many times, and the dev is great. It's a little expensive though for an app.
OC Odin back to EL26. The good thing about this is, the process is straight forward, and doesn't add to your flash counter, and does not yellow triangle either.
Open up e4gtauto-sfx.exe, option C, then I. This gives you CWM, And just in case, I do not recommend using other than standard CWM to flash ICS roms. but that's me.
When your phone reboots, it should have CWM, and be rooted, just load up the AOKP files, do a data wipe, and flash.

Thank you both for the replies
Would I be able to use calkulins format all to do the wipes? Or does that only work for certain ROMS? It seemed pretty fool proof when I used it, so I was wondering if I could just use that again and it would work just the same? I don't want to forget something and brick my phone as a result
And I'll look into titanium backup, thanks for the suggestion.
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organizedConfoosion said:
Thank you both for the replies
Would I be able to use calkulins format all to do the wipes? Or does that only work for certain ROMS? It seemed pretty fool proof when I used it, so I was wondering if I could just use that again and it would work just the same? I don't want to forget something and brick my phone as a result
And I'll look into titanium backup, thanks for the suggestion.
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For ICS ROMs, I recommend to not use it, just do 1 system data wipe and you'll be fine.

F3L1XZS said:
For ICS ROMs, I recommend to not use it, just do 1 system data wipe and you'll be fine.
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Alright, but all I should need to do is install the EL26 + CWM and I can flash AOKP? I don't need to go back to a stock gingerbread ROM or anything, or will the OC EL26 CWM do that for me?
And you said you don't recommend calkulin's format all for ICS roms, but that's what I was told to use for the Phantom Blazer ICS rom when I was flashing it?
Also, one more question; what is "flash count" and is it a bad thing? I'll do some googling on it myself, but I'd like to hear your explanation because I don't always understand people's ways of describing things and usually take weird explanations to understand so yours would still be much appreciated just in case, thanks. ^_^

organizedConfoosion said:
Alright, but all I should need to do is install the EL26 + CWM and I can flash AOKP? I don't need to go back to a stock gingerbread ROM or anything?
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You just need to be on a safe recovery.... if you wipe data in an unconfirmed recovery you can cause a brick. Either use the el26 that all use or the el29-reboot kernel. Both will work no matter what you install regardless of you install (granted you flash a working rom). I prefer the el29 because you install via mobile Odin and it boots straight to safe CWM recovery.
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dante32278 said:
You just need to be on a safe recovery.... if you wipe data in an unconfirmed recovery you can cause a brick. Either use the el26 that all use or the el29-reboot kernel. Both will work no matter what you install regardless of you install (granted you flash a working rom). I prefer the el29 because you install via mobile Odin and it boots straight to safe CWM recovery.
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Hmm, alright, sounds good.
Also, which data's do I need to wipe? Dalvik cache and there's one other I believe?

new e4gt owner with questions about roms

i just picked up an e4gt today, i had one back in december that i rooted then sold. so im back and now there's a ton of stuff out there for this phone.
i just came over from the evo design where there is pretty much nothing happening, and before that i had an evo shift. i had cm7 installed on that and loved it.
so what rom do you guys suggest i use? i see there is cm9 available in alpha form, which has me very tempted.
im looking for a stable rom with no bloatware. and id love some advice.

BiffTirkle said:
i just picked up an e4gt today, i had one back in december that i rooted then sold. so im back and now there's a ton of stuff out there for this phone.
i just came over from the evo design where there is pretty much nothing happening, and before that i had an evo shift. i had cm7 installed on that and loved it.
so what rom do you guys suggest i use? i see there is cm9 available in alpha form, which has me very tempted.
im looking for a stable rom with no bloatware. and id love some advice.
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Go with cm9 that darchstar has posted. It works great and I use it as my daily. After you do the base install I recommend nightly 7/24 and using the chris41g kernel b3 version with it. Great battery life and full functionality.
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Does cm9 wipe out cwm?
I'm paranoid to do anything without an option for recovery.
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Here is your safest bet (as in super safe):
1. Download the el26 safe cwm kernel from the kernel repository in the sticky for this phone
2. Download cm9 6 and gapps
3. Follow cm9 6 download instructions
4. Let it boot
5. Use mobile Odin if you have it (highly recommend as it makes flashing so easy) and flash the el26 kernel that you downloaded in the kernel section from external sd...always check md5 sum first!
6. Once u see the blue light on ur phone in the LED, hold power+volume up to boot into recovery, once the sgs2 logo shows you can lay off the buttons
7. If you didn't do it in time or held too long, just pull the battery and go to recovery via power+volume up
8. You should be in cwm, flash the nightly of cm9, clear dalvik and cache, then flash the chris 41g b3 kernel and reboot
9. Enjoy
10. From this point forward you have a bomb rom and working recovery that will allow backup/nand/flashing safely.
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Look into Blu Kuban(team venum). No bloat, excellent help from dev. Plenty of options/mods/hacks/updates/themed apps/speed/great battery.

Ditto on Alex. Excellent support... Great battery life. It's themed so you should look at the screenshots and the video on the dev site.
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ok, i think im going to try the cm9 route, but i cannot find the correct kernel, or im doing something wrong. i got odin for android, and downloaded a couple of kernels i thought were the right ones and they didnt show up when i tried to select them with odin.

BiffTirkle said:
ok, i think im going to try the cm9 route, but i cannot find the correct kernel, or im doing something wrong. i got odin for android, and downloaded a couple of kernels i thought were the right ones and they didnt show up when i tried to select them with odin.
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Here is the link for el26, first download.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26295021
The chris41g kernel has its own thread in development, grab the zip format of the cwm b3 version.
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im not finding a b3 version. but i did download the first kernel from chris41g
StockCWM-EL26.zip
i hope thats correct. im going to do a nandroid backup and give it a shot later today. thanks for the help and advice!
its been several months since ive been flashing roms, and i find that it takes me a few days to get back in the swing of things before im flashing again.

The b3 kernel is at chris's goo which is linked to in this xda thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28981308
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So I need to flash el26 kernel first, then I flash 41g-CWM-RC1-b3-0723.zip. then I can flash cm9 and gapps from recovery?
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BiffTirkle said:
So I need to flash el26 kernel first, then I flash 41g-CWM-RC1-b3-0723.zip. then I can flash cm9 and gapps from recovery?
El26, boot to recovery, install cm9 per their install guide...after successful install, flash el26 again, wipe cache/dalvik, and install the chris41g kernel from there.
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ok, so i got cm9 on the phone. very excited, except for the launcher wont allow me to add widgets. wierd, same thing with my touchpad.
anyway i tried to flash el26 and it stalled at the splash screen, so i opened up recovery and wiped cache and dalvik, then installed the chris41g kernel. and no dice. aaaanyway. whats the benefit to the other kernels versus what i get with cm9? and is there a solution to my problem?

I read 4g is unreliable on Chris' new kernels
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BiffTirkle said:
ok, so i got cm9 on the phone. very excited, except for the launcher wont allow me to add widgets. wierd, same thing with my touchpad.
anyway i tried to flash el26 and it stalled at the boot screen, so i opened up recovery and wiped cache and dalvik, then installed the chris41g kernel. and no dice. aaaanyway. whats the benefit to the other kernels versus what i get with cm9? and is there a solution to my problem?
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I get that problem whatever I wipe the dalvik cache
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well, im not sure what to do now. i love cyanogenmod, and id put up with a few hiccups if i could. but it looks like i wont be able to use this as a daily rom. very disappointing...
so, i might try the blu kuban rom.
at this point i want a debloated stable rom. im back to a rooted stock rom with el29.
i just dont want to brick my phone, i have insurance and can take it in to swap it out. its just a waste of time if i can avoid it.
any other suggestions?

BiffTirkle said:
well, im not sure what to do now. i love cyanogenmod, and id put up with a few hiccups if i could. but it looks like i wont be able to use this as a daily rom. very disappointing...
so, i might try the blu kuban rom.
at this point i want a debloated stable rom. im back to a rooted stock rom with el29.
i just dont want to brick my phone, i have insurance and can take it in to swap it out. its just a waste of time if i can avoid it.
any other suggestions?
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Start with thread #1 on the attached link.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1625535
To Install
Boot to recovery
Make an NAND Backup
Wipe the phone (with the Format All X2 script)
Flash Part 1
Boot the phone
Go to the updater (Under put things back to stock) and install Part 2 (Two part install is to finish theming Talk)
Reboot and Enjoy
When I did this I went to CWM to flash this through odin. Rom works very smooth. There is a ton of information in the thread but that should get you started.

installing a new ROM

I already have Calkulins E4GT 2 1.6 installed. If i wanted to try a different rom do i just install the new one and it should work?
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Its always advised to wipe the phone clean when going from one ROM to another, you can usually keep your data when upgrading the same ROM

willjr0k5 said:
I already have Calkulins E4GT 2 1.6 installed. If i wanted to try a different rom do i just install the new one and it should work?
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Wow, NO, don't 'just install a new one.'
There are some very good posts about how to properly switch ROMs - most of the ROMs OPs specify how they recommend you go about installing their particular ROM.
Some suggest going back to the EL26 Kernel, others the TWRP kernel and other the 'safe' kernels by Agat and Chris41G.
Choose your ROM. Read the developers recommendations AND read through the posts regarding that ROM. Failure to do so will leave you with poor performing phone or worse an expensive paperweight.
If you want to step up to the latest ICS stock try sfhub's one-clicks, since you are already on an ICS leak you could try the 'no-data' version and see if you can keep your data intact. Not always recommended but it's worth a try. Then use his Autoroot to add CWM with a safe recovery (Agat's).
Then use CWM to flash away - as long as you follow the developers advice.
Good luck.