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HTC Desire from China bought on eBay

Does anyone have any experience buying the HTC Desire from China?
I read that the Nexus One has been cloned. I see no official report that the HTC Desire has also been cloned, but I have noticed a lot of suppliers selling the Desire through Alibaba. I am wondering if these are clones too.
Today I bought an HTC Desire off eBay from China which is supposed to be brand new in the box.
It was rediculously cheap - 50-60% cheaper than the cost of an HTC Desire from a US seller.
Now I am worried it's a clone.
I have protection from eBay PayPal so I should be ok, but I am curious to hear what people think.
Also, does anyone know of a program which will read and tell me the hardware specifications of my HTC? I'm looking for one of those apps like Intel provides to give you the model and serial number of your processor on your PC. I figure this is one way of confirming whether I have a real HTC phone when it arrives.

Any link to the eBay auction?
The "clones" of these high end cellphones in China are pretty fake. They resemble the real ones, but one can easily tell the difference. They definitely don't run android, and run some variation of Linux that is skinned to look like iPhone/WinMo/Android.
Once you have it in hand, it would be very obvious to you whether it is fake, either from the hardware or from the software, so there is no need to use any software to check the hardware specification.
There is no Nexus One/Desire clones that runs real Android or equipped with Snapdragon. Again, if it is a fake, it will be VERY obvious.

Thanks for your reply.
Here is the link.
I will ask the seller to send me pics he took instead of the ones he copied.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260611334391&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

$170 US for a Desire!! from a zero feedback seller in China.....id never go near such.

I know.
I am betting on eBay and PayPal buyer protection to save me if needed.

giant_rider said:
I know.
I am betting on eBay and PayPal buyer protection to save me if needed.
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Judging from the fact that the image is just ripped from some blog site and not even an HTC press release shot, combined with the sellers score: 0. So no sales or even any buys to the account...
I would be very surprised if this guy has even seen a Desire in person, forget you receiving one in the mail from this seller
Is it really worth the trouble?

I can tell you with no doubt, its a fake one! Because even in China, you won't get a real 2nd hand desire at that price.
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Alex_w said:
Judging from the fact that the image is just ripped from some blog site and not even an HTC press release shot, combined with the sellers score: 0. So no sales or even any buys to the account...
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This alone does not convince me.
When I sell items, I am lazy and rip images and descriptions from other listing.
However, add this to the fact that the seller has no scores...so maybe.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm

If it's too good to be true, it definitely is.
Sent from my HTC Desire

Are you serious when you said you bought it? HTC desire for 170 unlocked..really?
Where I live, I can barely get a dumbphone unlocked for that money.

Well, the picture was taken from some blog and the spec were copied from HTC website. That page alone can't tell whether the phone is real or not.
But as I said before, those Chinese clones of high end phones look really fake, and those Chinese sellers are not trying to scam people into believe that they are real. There is a market for cheap look-alike phones in China, and that market is what those "clones" are for.
People, the $170 final price is the result of an AUCTION, not a buy-it-now price. My bet is that this phone is real, but the fact that the seller is from China, together with the fact that he has 0 feedback, making no one wanted to bid on it. I highly doubt that he will ship you the phone, given how low the final price is. He will probably make up an excuse not to ship you the phone (out of stock, wrong listing, blah blah blah), and then refund you (I you had paid already). If he did ship you the phone, you win. If he shipped you a super fake clone, Paypal will get your money back. The only thing you will lose is time.

I took a chance on a simular "deal" for a HD2 and I was sent a small pink noname brand(actually works, my woman loves it) and a FAKE Iphone 3G. Get you paypal refund info ready.
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tsekh501 said:
Well, the picture was taken from some blog and the spec were copied from HTC website. That page alone can't tell whether the phone is real or not.
But as I said before, those Chinese clones of high end phones look really fake, and those Chinese sellers are not trying to scam people into believe that they are real. There is a market for cheap look-alike phones in China, and that market is what those "clones" are for.
People, the $170 final price is the result of an AUCTION, not a buy-it-now price. My bet is that this phone is real, but the fact that the seller is from China, together with the fact that he has 0 feedback, making no one wanted to bid on it. I highly doubt that he will ship you the phone, given how low the final price is. He will probably make up an excuse not to ship you the phone (out of stock, wrong listing, blah blah blah), and then refund you (I you had paid already). If he did ship you the phone, you win. If he shipped you a super fake clone, Paypal will get your money back. The only thing you will lose is time.
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I had the same thoughts.
I will see what I do.
I have not paid yet and can back out if I like by cancelling my transaction before payment.
I emailed the seller and asked for real pictures, why he is selling, what the serial number is, etc. I will see if he answers.
Unfortunately the seller's English is pretty bad so communicating is difficult.
Thanks everyone for your replies.

HTC doesn't sell cellphones in China offically

ebay buyer protection isn't worth ****. I got screwed when buying a PDA a couple years ago. ebay contacted me and told me not to send payment as his account was suspended. Unfortunately, I already had and received a box with a small rock in it which weighed what the PDA should.
I got about $200 back from ebay but I paid the guy $600.
USE YOUR CREDIT CARD AND YOU'LL BE FINE. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY.

Here are my golden rules for ebay, I hope this helps ....
NEVER buy a 'brand new' phone from ebay. You probably wont ever be able to return it, and might not have any kind of warranty.
Never buy anything from a seller with zero feedback. You simply cannot trust them if they do not have any reputation.
Never buy anything from China (unless you are sure about the seller).

st0kes said:
Here are my golden rules for ebay, I hope this helps ....
NEVER buy a 'brand new' phone from ebay. You probably wont ever be able to return it, and might not have any kind of warranty.
Never buy anything from a seller with zero feedback. You simply cannot trust them if they do not have any reputation.
Never buy anything from China (unless you are sure about the seller).
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Add to this list only buy form China if you think the money is worth the risk
But 170 bucks isnt worth it for me maby for you then take your chances

0 feedback seller from China...
I bought a while ago a Sony headset from China (was dead cheap so gave it a try), the seller had plenty of feedback and I eventually got the headphones. They looked so good, very real. But the sound... was worse than the cheapest pound store ones!! Funny thing is the seller disapperaed from Ebay straight after the paypal payment... no refund for the fakes. I def learned my lesson.

I have seen a lot of this fake seller in china, all of them have 0 feedback or some fake feedbacks. Usually the sell all phones they can in a short period of time, and after that you get nothing and they will delete their ebay account.
I hope this one is not like it

It's one of either two things.
You got scammed and will be sent nothing (Which is what i'm expecting)
Or
You're going to be sent a very very bad nexus one clone.

[Q] is expansys is trustable for buying battery?

on expansys they are selling sg2 original battery fir 24.50 dollars ? are they trustable or they are just selling chinese batteries with samsung logo

Expansys is averry big and global webshop seller - I've bought there 2-3 times with no problems. The delivery times were slightly long (~ 3 weeks)

bought 2 smartphones from them, had to call them tho to make sure they've sent the phones

They're reliable, ordered my phone from them and even got refunded for the discount they did the next day.

Yeah guys but i mean that they said there are selling original batteries for s2 but i really need to know if they really are selling original batteries out there...because i search my whole market no original battery available there

zainbintariq12345 said:
Yeah guys but i mean that they said there are selling original batteries for s2 but i really need to know if they really are selling original batteries out there...because i search my whole market no original battery available there
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Read what they have written original has to be original or you can complain .
/return the item .
As Expansys had the item on pre order and are pre ordering other model Samsung batteries you are buying Samsung battery from a top class supplier .
jje

Expansys sells retail products, no aftermarket unless specified.

yes they are very reliable , i had made a few large business with them a few times

Yes they are but they are dearer than a lot of other retailers which is why i wouldn't use them again but they are definitely legitimate.

Official Reply From Expansys SE Asia
Hi there,
I'm here, just joined the XDA Circuit to try to offer some customer support in here where possible...
Please let me know if I can help here at all. Not sure what batteries you were looking at (?) or if you've gone and bought one yet (?) but I can certainly vouch for the fact that we provide a money back guarantee etc and that we carry branded and non branded items - all clearly stated within product descriptions etc. You should never have any issue with that. You'll receive what you ordered (as per the product description notes and image included on our site)
We've re written our Terms + Conditions lately to reflect waranties + returns etc. Please feel free to check it out. If you have any questions, do let us know.
We want to help out where we can.
Cheers all

That's all cool & stuff, but let's face it, you guys don't exactly have the cheapest prices around

buy HOX in Amsterdam

Hi!
First of all, I hope I'm in the right forum...
If this is not the right forum for this thread, please move it.
I want to buy a white One X (int.) in Amsterdam, Netherlands.
Someone know where I can buy it there? I want a store that will let me open the device, and check there are no build issues, and a low price. (If I'm right, I should get a 16% tax refund because I'm a tourist from outside EU)
Thanks for helpers!

The phonehouse should have unbranded phones and proper DOA services, but they are expensive...

i got lost in there site... didn't find the one x on the search.
someone knows more stores?

if you are staying in Amsterdam for a few days, order it online. there aren't many shops with the hox in stock except maybe as mentioned the phonehouse but they are expensive. I ordered mine from midi media, cheapest in the Netherlands (only e513 including delivery) but the phone is Vodafone branded .
check this site: http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/

i would be there for only 3 days.
but it will be in 2 month, you don't think it will be in stock?
EDIT: does midimedia has a store in Amsterdam? if so, what is it? (i cant read their site, and google translate dont want to translate it )

DubelBoom said:
i would be there for only 3 days.
but it will be in 2 month, you don't think it will be in stock?
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I went looking for one this week and the shops I wanted to buy from (ie. were not much more expensive than the best internet deals) did not have any in stock. Maybe you can place an order and check out the phone. I can recommend mycom, I bought many product from them, tried them out, decided I did not like those products and got my money back without hassles (even after opening all the packaging)

godutch said:
I went looking for one this week and the shops I wanted to buy from (ie. were not much more expensive than the best internet deals) did not have any in stock. Maybe you can place an order and check out the phone. I can recommend mycom, I bought many product from them, tried them out, decided I did not like those products and got my money back without hassles (even after opening all the packaging)
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i cant order from the internet to israel, because when it will get here ill have to pay at least 16% tax.
and midimedia is much cheaper...

have it delivered to your address in amsterdam
also the new government in holland (already dubbed the butt **** coalition (sorry mods, that's what the new coalition is dubbed)) decided to raise VAT from a whopping 19% to an unbelievable 21% , so you will likely have to pay even more. Why not get the device back home?
(edit: vat probably won't matter a lot because you might get a refund, okay than preorder it from mycom to get it from the store of your choosing)

bought my white One-X at Belcompany in Eindhoven, no problems with the phone, build date 28 march 2012
in the stores, they're always more expansive than online

First of all our vat is currently 19% rather than 16% as mentioned. I got mine from marktplaats.nl (like Craigslist), brand new in an unopened box from a guy that got it with his corporate renewal for €400, not kidding. You'll have to go pick it up at someone's private house though and be prepared for some haggling.
Make sure you call ahead and ask if the seller has the receipt that states the imei. If it doesn't, leave it as it's likely stolen. You might still be able to get the vat back at the port of exit if the receipt is recent enough (most people that get a renewal put the phone on marktplaats the same day they get it). Make sure the receipt doesn't state the buyer's name, which it mostly doesn't.
Good luck. I get all my phones this way, no problems so far. We're a pretty decent and friendly people ;-)
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium

sorry im bumping up this thread....
i want to buy from MidiMedia.nl , someone knows if they have a store in Amsterdam?
it is very cheap there! only 400 eur (=1900 ILS, here in israel its 3008 ILS (=623 eur)!!!!!!!)

Midimedia
Midimedia is an online only shop with no branches. See their FAQ.

delorentz said:
Midimedia is an online only shop with no branches. See their FAQ.
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if there is any problem with the device, who gives me the warranty? HTC? i mean if i have yellow spot or something like that, i need to send the device to HTC?

iZenus legit?

I am looking for a smartphone case and Zenus has a few good cases. I searched them on Amazon and some other places and the one I want is currently 40€.
I searched on google for their homepage to see what kind of products they have and I found these two links here
http://izenus.com/
http://www.zenuscase.net/
iZenus sells the case I want for only 11$ while zenuscase sells the same vor 37$. I was wondering if iZenus is legit or maybe just a fake website to steal money from people.

TheRealGreenVirus said:
I am looking for a smartphone case and Zenus has a few good cases. I searched them on Amazon and some other places and the one I want is currently 40€.
I searched on google for their homepage to see what kind of products they have and I found these two links here
http://izenus.com/
http://www.zenuscase.net/
iZenus sells the case I want for only 11$ while zenuscase sells the same vor 37$. I was wondering if iZenus is legit or maybe just a fake website to steal money from people.
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it looks like both are legit. zenuscase.net is the international site. if you look at the 'about us' page, you can see that it is based in Korea, quite open about their company in terms of providing the manufacturing site and so on.
if you scroll to the 'where to buy' section, you can actually see izenus.com is listed under 'USA'. right now, i speculate that zenuscase.net is simply stating the msrp, but like many retailers, the msrp could be ignored and the retailer could set their own prices which i think is what izenus.com is doing. how is this possible? they could be getting the cases at a much cheaper per unit cost plus they could be bulking on their inventory so a quantity discount would apply.
btw, zenuscase.com is the company website, zenuscase.net is the 'shopping portal' for zenuscast.com. izenus seems to serve in USA while zenuscase.net serves globally and hence the higher prices, why? probably greater costs such as land, rent, inventory storage, and so on.
hope this clarifies it up a little bit

OMG Is my P605 a fake.

Just checked over my device and some you tube video posts.. a few things.
I got the P605 from ATGSM.com.
The box was sealed with sticker and all.
Inside the box there were no replacement stylus tips (as seen in all the you tube reviews)
Also the box does not look like any of the boxes i see in the reviews. I take it that the version they shipped me is originally the Hong Kong.
There were no specs on the box.
Did I get a fake...a clone....... What do I do now. I can post a pic of the box if you need to see it.
I need some serious help. I paid over $700 for this device. I just want to make sure its the real deal. Especially seeing how there are so many fakes out there. Please help.

alynch75 said:
Just checked over my device and some you tube video posts.. a few things.
I got the P605 from ATGSM.com.
The box was sealed with sticker and all.
Inside the box there were no replacement stylus tips (as seen in all the you tube reviews)
Also the box does not look like any of the boxes i see in the reviews. I take it that the version they shipped me is originally the Hong Kong.
There were no specs on the box.
Did I get a fake...a clone....... What do I do now. I can post a pic of the box if you need to see it.
I need some serious help. I paid over $700 for this device. I just want to make sure its the real deal. Especially seeing how there are so many fakes out there. Please help.
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Photo's can always be helpful........ please post some.

Photo of back of box
kkretch said:
Photo's can always be helpful........ please post some.
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Here is a picture of the back of the box. Please help me.

Run the antutu benchmark and post the result
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Send the device pics
Sent from my C6806 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

alynch75 said:
Here is a picture of the back of the box. Please help me.
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Your box is not the same as the one in these video's, so I see what you are talking about. Besides the extra tips was anything else missing or different is your box? Your tamper sticker looks like it was placed over another one, what do you think when you look at it?
Can you post more photo's like side label and front of your box.

alynch75 said:
Here is a picture of the back of the box. Please help me.
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I bought a P605 via Negri Electronics a couple of weeks ago, and it was in an identical box to the one in your picture. My box also didn't have any spare stylus tips. Also had a Hongkong style adapter, which Negri provided a US adapter in the outer package.
I suppose the HK version just doesn't come with spare tips?
It seems real to me.

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marshwc said:
I bought a P605 via Negri Electronics a couple of weeks ago, and it was in an identical box to the one in your picture. My box also didn't have any spare stylus tips. Also had a Hongkong style adapter, which Negri provided a US adapter in the outer package.
I suppose the HK version just doesn't come with spare tips?
It seems real to me.
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alynch75 said:
Here is a picture of the back of the box. Please help me.
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Photo's can always be helpful........ please post some.
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See results in photos

You can chill out, HK SM-P605 doesnt have extra stylus tips and the box is geniune. I bought myself from ebay and the box looks exactly same and there were no extra stylus tips too in the box. Here u can se for u self HK version box: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=20037026123
HK version is SM-P6050ZWETGY and you can see it by download Phone Info from playstore.
One thing is, u must choose HK, first time start the tab, or u will miss out 900HK dollar worth contents gifts, well if u want them and there were no special really. http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/consum...e-tablet/SM-P6050ZWETGY?tabname=content-gifts
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Turn off Power Saving mode while running benchmarks and u will get higher scores.

Just making sure
dt33 said:
You can chill out, HK SM-P605 doesnt have extra stylus tips and the box is geniune. I bought myself from ebay and the box looks exactly same and there were no extra stylus tips too in the box. Here u can se for u self HK version box: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=20037026123
HK version is SM-P6050ZWETGY and you can see it by download Phone Info from playstore.
One thing is, u must choose HK, first time start the tab, or u will miss out 900HK dollar worth contents gifts, well if u want them and there were no special really. http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/consum...e-tablet/SM-P6050ZWETGY?tabname=content-gifts
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Turn off Power Saving mode while running benchmarks and u will get higher scores.
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Okay turned off power saving and results were off the charts. I just want o make sure...
Is there anyway to get $50 samsung credit and the $25 Google play credit

alynch75 said:
Okay turned off power saving and results were off the charts. I just want o make sure...
Is there anyway to get $50 samsung credit and the $25 Google play credit
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Thats for US version only and we got HK version, so no. Too bad HK contents isnt worth a dime and here in Sweden, we got any **** free contents gifts and still the SM-P605 cost damn over 1100 US. -.-

marshwc said:
I bought a P605 via Negri Electronics a couple of weeks ago, and it was in an identical box to the one in your picture. My box also didn't have any spare stylus tips. Also had a Hongkong style adapter, which Negri provided a US adapter in the outer package.
I suppose the HK version just doesn't come with spare tips?
It seems real to me.
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You got no idea of the Negri problems with the Note 3 obviously.
I feel sorry for anybody buying stuff from them.
The stories are hard to believe yet true.

What problems.
les_garten said:
You got no idea of the Negri problems with the Note 3 obviously.
I feel sorry for anybody buying stuff from them.
The stories are hard to believe yet true.
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What problems with NEGRI? Please enlighten me.

les_garten said:
You got no idea of the Negri problems with the Note 3 obviously.
I feel sorry for anybody buying stuff from them.
The stories are hard to believe yet true.
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I bought my N-8000 and SM-P601 from Negri and had no issues. The only problems I heard regarding the N3 and Negri was that some carrier devices they sold, mostly T-Mobile, that had their IMEI's reported stolen after people received them and started using them. Since Negri doesn't build devices and most of what they sell is grey market and imported from other countries they are kind of at the mercy of their suppliers. As far as I know they stood behind the devices with bad IMEI's and replaced or refunded them. If you're in the U.S. and buying a SM-P601/5, no matter who you're buying it from, you're taking a chance as to its origins, condition, and country of sale (which can't be the U.S. because neither is sold here). And know that none of them have a Samsung warranty because they're grey market. Negri, Expansys, and NewEgg are the biggest sellers of Samsung grey market devices in the U.S. and I've purchased from all three. My experiences have been fine but I've heard complaints (some horror stories) on all three. With grey market goods there's no such thing as Best Buy. And Amazon doesn't count; all their unlocked devices are sold via marketplace sellers.

BarryH_GEG said:
I bought my N-8000 and SM-P601 from Negri and had no issues. The only problems I heard regarding the N3 and Negri was that some carrier devices they sold, mostly T-Mobile, that had their IMEI's reported stolen after people received them and started using them. Since Negri doesn't build devices and most of what they sell is grey market and imported from other countries they are kind of at the mercy of their suppliers. As far as I know they stood behind the devices with bad IMEI's and replaced or refunded them. If you're in the U.S. and buying a SM-P601/5, no matter who you're buying it from, you're taking a chance as to its origins, condition, and country of sale (which can't be the U.S. because neither is sold here). And know that none of them have a Samsung warranty because they're grey market. Negri, Expansys, and NewEgg are the biggest sellers of Samsung grey market devices in the U.S. and I've purchased from all three. My experiences have been fine but I've heard complaints (some horror stories) on all three. With grey market goods there's no such thing as Best Buy. And Amazon doesn't count; all their unlocked devices are sold via marketplace sellers.
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They were selling used as new
They were selling stolen as new
They were selling phones with the seals broken that were still locked as unlocked and new
They were selling Phones that were rooted as new
They were selling Phones that were already Knox tripped as new
This is just a small list of the things they pulled
If you read the TMO Note 3 thread thread, I don't know how you would do business with them, absolutely despicable.

les_garten said:
If you read the TMO Note 3 thread thread, I don't know how you would do business with them, absolutely despicable.
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I'd read the thread before I bought my P-601 from them. All their Samsung HSPA devices come from the Samsung dealer in Trinidad. They had the P601 before anyone else reselling them in the U.S. did and it arrived in its shrink wrap and was perfect. The shrink wrapped Trinidadian N-8000 I got last year arrived with a bad display. Negri paid return shipping and overnighted me a new one (which was perfect). I asked where their LTE P-605's came from and they said Asia. I personally am not interested in any Asian-sourced imports because the s/w and Hub access are funky when used in the U.S. Software wise, Trinidad and Latin America are the most compatible. That's why I got a P-601. When people ask me where to buy Samsung grey market devices I mention the three company's above. I share my experiences (and the horror stories, lack of warranty, and other risks) and tell them to avoid PayPal (Amazon Payments is an option with Negri) and use a "customer friendly" credit card like Amex. I'm sorry some people got burned over the N3 but it doesn't change my positive experiences.

Same problem but got the solution.
alynch75 said:
Just checked over my device and some you tube video posts.. a few things.
I got the P605 from ATGSM.com.
The box was sealed with sticker and all.
Inside the box there were no replacement stylus tips (as seen in all the you tube reviews)
Also the box does not look like any of the boxes i see in the reviews. I take it that the version they shipped me is originally the Hong Kong.
There were no specs on the box.
Did I get a fake...a clone....... What do I do now. I can post a pic of the box if you need to see it.
I need some serious help. I paid over $700 for this device. I just want to make sure its the real deal. Especially seeing how there are so many fakes out there. Please help.
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Power saving mode should be off........ It's working... Thanks to dt33