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Pipo M7 Pro vs Nexus 7 (flo)

Hey guys, so I'm going Tablet hunting and have come down with 2 leading candidates, the Pipo M7 Pro, a Chinese Tablet. or the Nexus 7 (2013).
The only thing that worries me is the development. As a Flashaholic I'd like a tablet with decent dev support, and I haven't seen any dev support for the Pipo M7 Pro.
Now, the Nexus 7 Multi touch and GPS/random reboot issues have me here at bay, making the debate a bit more intense.
I'll probably use my tablet for reading, school related work or gaming/listening to music (rarely though, I'll probably have my Galaxy Nexus for that which works fine really(or a Nexus 5 by the time it comes out ))
Any recommendations/Opinions/Point of views will be appreciated.
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Nexus 7, most of not all the "issues"with it are a very vocal minority, overflowing a small problem, of it were half as big an issue as they try to make ir to bbr, ir would be all the blogs
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Small, yes.
Vocal, yes.
Very real, though. And, to some degree, acknowledged by the powers that be at Google...
The people posting, including myself, have been through 2-3 of more N7 2013s.
It's the luck of the draw. It may only effect a few percent, but over the multi thousands sold, it's a percentage that needs to be taken seriously.
If you purchase one, be sure that it's from a seller offering a good return/exchange policy.

z0phi3l said:
Nexus 7, most of not all the "issues"with it are a very vocal minority, overflowing a small problem, of it were half as big an issue as they try to make ir to bbr, ir would be all the blogs
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Mostly every blog I've read mentions it. But I guess I'm just on that "unlucky and unconventional" part of the internet.
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Been thru quite a few "shows" ... the TF101, the 2012 Nexus 7 & now the 2013 Nexus 7...
I still don't hesitate a bit to buy one. Heck, I even wish there is a refurbished sales right now.

danvee said:
Small, yes.
Vocal, yes.
Very real, though. And, to some degree, acknowledged by the powers that be at Google...
The people posting, including myself, have been through 2-3 of more N7 2013s.
It's the luck of the draw. It may only effect a few percent, but over the multi thousands sold, it's a percentage that needs to be taken seriously.
If you purchase one, be sure that it's from a seller offering a good return/exchange policy.
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So it is a hardware issue? And not software related?
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Your guess is as good as theirs right now....

Chinese stuff is just not up to par as brand name stuff yet. Their specs look great, benchmarks are great, but in reality they are far far apart when you use both side by side.
I have a Ifive X2 with a RK3188 and it lags like hell, battery is good, screen is nice, but real world performance is just awful. Since I got my Note 8 from repair, I dont use the X2 at all anymore.
For the small price difference it just makes no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7.

Nutsonfire said:
Chinese stuff is just not up to par as brand name stuff yet.
I have a Ifive X2 with a RK3188 and it lags like hell, battery is good, screen is nice, but real world performance is just awful.
For the small price difference it just makes no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7.
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This Pipo M7 Pro isn't a fastest tablet in the world and after a bit of customizations is in real world usable. The screen is impressive, good battery, very good Wi-Fi and the firmware is stable. I don't regret my (old ) Nexus 7
M7 is great for browsing internet, reading books and multimedia but not too suited for video games.
I am satisfied but not enthusiastic.
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dpaganello said:
This Pipo M7 Pro isn't a fastest tablet in the world and after a bit of customizations is in real world usable. The screen is impressive, good battery, very good Wi-Fi and the firmware is stable. I don't regret my (old ) Nexus 7
M7 is great for browsing internet, reading books and multimedia but not too suited for video games.
I am satisfied but not enthusiastic.
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Thank you for your opinion.
Nutsonfire said:
Chinese stuff is just not up to par as brand name stuff yet. Their specs look great, benchmarks are great, but in reality they are far far apart when you use both side by side.
I have a Ifive X2 with a RK3188 and it lags like hell, battery is good, screen is nice, but real world performance is just awful. Since I got my Note 8 from repair, I dont use the X2 at all anymore.
For the small price difference it just makes no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7.
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Pipo is a pretty good Chinese company, we're not just talking about those ripoff chinese companies you find on Ebay, and I have used Rockchip based devices and can vouch for them, they're not as bad as you say.
So your "no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7" is kind of stereotypical and not really reliable
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Jimlarck said:
Thank you for your opinion.
Pipo is a pretty good Chinese company, we're not just talking about those ripoff chinese companies you find on Ebay, and I have used Rockchip based devices and can vouch for them, they're not as bad as you say.
So your "no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7" is kind of stereotypical and not really reliable
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First,
I agree with the above line in bold.
Second,
If you aren't in a hurry to buy a tablet, I'd wait to see what the TegraTab and the LG G Pad 8.3 end up being like. That's what I'm going to do when I return/exchange my N7 flo for the 3rd time. I'm on my 2nd one now, so hopefully the 3rd try will be the the charm! I expect both those options to be more expensive, but if either of them is within 100 of the 32gb N7 flo (as long as it's 32gb or 16gb with a microsd), then I'll probably give it a shot.
Third,
If you absolutely want a tablet right now, I can't recommend the N7 in good conscience. Having had two with the same exact issue(multitouch), I would say the odds are pretty good that you'd get one with the same issue. That said, if the N7 is what you like and you don't mind potentially returning/exchanging it, get one. Just be sure to buy from somewhere with a good return/exchange program. I've had pretty good luck with Best Buy so far, as well as Amazon. I'd choose Best Buy if there's one near you for ease of returning/exchanging, i.e. no wait time.
Good Luck!

Jimlarck said:
Thank you for your opinion.
Pipo is a pretty good Chinese company, we're not just talking about those ripoff chinese companies you find on Ebay, and I have used Rockchip based devices and can vouch for them, they're not as bad as you say.
So your "no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7" is kind of stereotypical and not really reliable
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I have one of the latest and greatest Chinese tabs as I write in my post.
Yes they are better then what they used to be but they still lack in some aspects. These tabs using the RK3188 chip in real life are just not want the benchmarks want you to believe. The Chinese keep cutting corners where they shouldn't and it shows. So yeah it looks like you get a lot for 200$ but when you use it you understand why its cheaper.
It's no surprise that all the high end Chinese tabs and phones end up using Qualcomm and Samsung CPUs and cost almost the same as brand name stuff.

Nutsonfire said:
I have one of the latest and greatest Chinese tabs as I write in my post.
Yes they are better then what they used to be but they still lack in some aspects. These tabs using the RK3188 chip in real life are just not want the benchmarks want you to believe. The Chinese keep cutting corners where they shouldn't and it shows. So yeah it looks like you get a lot for 200$ but when you use it you understand why its cheaper.
It's no surprise that all the high end Chinese tabs and phones end up using Qualcomm and Samsung CPUs and cost almost the same as brand name stuff.
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Since when are benchmarks actually safe, legitimate and trustworthy?
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Jimlarck said:
Since when are benchmarks actually safe, legitimate and trustworthy?
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They are not, but fans of Chinese stuff like to go crazy about them and use them to compare with brand name products. If I see two products with similar scores I would expect similar function but clearly it's not the case.
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I had Asus Infinity TF700T before, but I was very disappointed about the build quality and the lagging of the device. I hated that tab every moment. I didn't install custom rom because it required unlocking the device and loosing the warranty. So I sold it and bought Pipo M7pro.
I like the screen and size of the tablet and this is much faster and smoother than Asus TF700. Also the build quality is better than on Asus, which had loose screen even repaired three times for warranty.
Multi window feature is pretty cool! Check the video from youtube.
I'm really satisfied of this cheap Chinese tab!
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So after reading some of your messages and doing some more research on my own. I've decided to wait until October, if the Nexus 7 multitouch problems have been resolved (they're addressing the problem at their warehouses/manufacturers or fixed it on an update) I'll buy it, if not, then Pipo M7 Pro will have to be my choice.
Really like the N7 but what use is there buying it when chances are that I'll get a broken Tablet, no, I can wait, I trust Google that they'll resolve this soon, it isn't the first time they've encountered a problem with manufacturers, like the N4 for example, with the infamous exploding back(I did think it was spontaneous and comical so I did have a laugh about it, hopefully the owners got a replacement though)
Thank you all for your messages and opinions. Especially those who gave their completely unbiased opinion and thoughts.
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Jimlarck said:
So after reading some of your messages and doing some more research on my own. I've decided to wait until October, if the Nexus 7 multitouch problems have been resolved (they're addressing the problem at their warehouses/manufacturers or fixed it on an update) I'll buy it, if not, then Pipo M7 Pro will have to be my choice.
Really like the N7 but what use is there buying it when chances are that I'll get a broken Tablet, no, I can wait, I trust Google that they'll resolve this soon, it isn't the first time they've encountered a problem with manufacturers, like the N4 for example, with the infamous exploding back(I did think it was spontaneous and comical so I did have a laugh about it, hopefully the owners got a replacement though)
Thank you all for your messages and opinions. Especially those who gave their completely unbiased opinion and thoughts.
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I think the Chinese phones and tablets may have some issues but then again so do other phones. In my opinion it is best to wait for a very comprehensive review before you buy. And only buy from a near-by supplier that is willing to take it back if it is faulty, do not buy direct from China because it is unlikely to get your money back, plus the shipping costs and customs would make it uneconomical to return items.
For example, a year ago I bought a Chinese phone, with superb specifications. It seems to have two faults (at least). First, it is very fussy with the SD card, many applications do not work with it and especially GPS Navigation applications that store huge maps on the SD card. Secondly the GPS receiver is either broken or simply very, very bad. My dedicated Garmin GPS, my wife's iPhone4, my son's Samsung S3 : they all lock on to the GPS almost instantly. The Chinese phone needs to be absolutely stand still for like 5-10 minutes before it can lock on. Completely useless in the car for example, I have to stop the car, and then wait 5-10 minutes so it can lock.
Someone said above that high-end Chinese phones and tabs use Qualcomm and Samsung parts and not their own. Well, no **** Sherlock! That qualifies as one of the most idiotic statements I have read. Every single electronic device in the world uses parts made by various/hundreds of other manufacturers. This has always been the case. I would not expect the Pipo M7 Pro to have components made by Pipo - and it does not matter anyway. My Sony VAIO laptop does not use a "SONY" CPU, or chipset, or GPU, or memory, or capacitors, or resistors, actually I doubt that a single component inside my laptop is actually made by Sony, except perhaps the badge!!!

I have to say, I bought the 2012 N7 as well as my 2013 and both were flawless from the start. My fiancee got my 2012 when i bought my new one and it's still going strong. The only issue I have at all with the 2013 is a delayed wake when using a magnetic cover. That's obviously a software issue, as leaving Bluetooth on fixes the problem.
Oh and Zilliman, your Chinese phone sounds like my old Samsung Captivate. That thing had the worst GPS I've ever seen. Developers worked hard to fix it but it was never very good. Completely useless even when walking, let alone driving.
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RKight said:
I have to say, I bought the 2012 N7 as well as my 2013 and both were flawless from the start. My fiancee got my 2012 when i bought my new one and it's still going strong. The only issue I have at all with the 2013 is a delayed wake when using a magnetic cover. That's obviously a software issue, as leaving Bluetooth on fixes the problem.
Oh and Zilliman, your Chinese phone sounds like my old Samsung Captivate. That thing had the worst GPS I've ever seen. Developers worked hard to fix it but it was never very good. Completely useless even when walking, let alone driving.
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Here's a problem for those with N7 Pro : the speakers crackle at high volume.

Do not buy M7 Pro
OK I guess finally I may have something to help after getting so many helps from this nice forum.
I live in China and I'd say I'm quite familiar with Chinese tablets and nexus devices. (proud owner of both types) I've yet to find a Chinese native brand tablet that marches either Nexus 7's build quality or OS stability. (always search for teardown pics before decision) Usually they have small problems here or there, but you don't have a bug list and workaround thread in a good forum simply because they don't have enough users.
There are worth buying Chinese tablets though. They are usually much cheaper than Nexus 7, don't have fatal problems, have good user base and forums to post workarounds of those small issues, and recently they start to come in so many varieties of screen size. (there used to be a time when they are mainly 7" widescreen, before the mighty Nexus 7's arrival.)
IMHO if you prefer 7" tablet, just grab the new Nexus 7. If not, don't buy M7 Pro for the following reasons:
1 Rockchip is not as friendly to devs as its rival SoC company Allwinner. I can find unofficial CM10.2 on AllWinner platform but I find almost nothing on Rockchip;
2 RK3188 seems strong, but in practice it's not a good chip for HD "Retina" display due to poor design choice of a single channel 32bit memory controller, which results a memory bandwidth that nearly kills GPU performance. BTW that's just a fraction of bandwidth compared to the new Nexus 7. I heard the GPU performance is so poor that even stock launcher can't go butterly smooth.
However RK3188 + a 1024*768 display is fine.
Summary: don't buy RK3188+HD display like the M7 Pro; strongly recommend new Nexus 7
correction: No Chinese SoC performs well on 1080p display. I'd guess 720p is the limit.
Hope it helps

Xperia ZL or Galaxy S3?

I found a deal that would get me a Galaxy S3 or an Xperia ZL at the same price, the S3 is new, and the Xperia ZL is a used one. I've been having many problems with my Galaxy Nexus lately and am looking for a suitable replacement.
Which one is a better option?
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If ZL is in good condition then you can go for Xperia ZL becoz you will get latest tech spec compare S3, and S3 is now year old device..........

However, Galaxy S3 has an SAMOLED screen (far better blacks and far batter viewing angles), replacable battery and a way bigger developer community. It depends what you expect from your phone.
I had to face the same decision and decided to get the Xperia ZL for the Full HD resolution and hopefully better lifetime of my screen (SAMOLED screens tend to get worse over the course of years).
Greetings

Yeah, coming from a Galaxy Nexus, I was searching for a phone with a great dev support. I like everything about the S3 except the design. And I like the ZL because of it's newer innards and FullHD screen, but I've heard that it's really washed out, color wise..
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yeah the display appears washed-out when you don't look directly into the screen but in real life it does't matter much at least for me now its depend you...... i had same problem choosing between this phones but i wanted latest spec so that i can have good gaming experience as well as watching video on 5" Full HD screen its too Good, you can compare both phone online that may help you.....

Get ZL if its in good condition.
Its better than s3.
But just make sure ZL is not opened and repaired...before
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Well actually i came from S3, i love the viewing angles, and battery replace. but i decided to buy the ZL and let me tell you. ZL its like 1000 times better than S3 in terms of support, hardware, and even quality and design, viewing angles i dont really care, its not that bad at all. the truth is that the screen it the best screen i have seen on a phone, really 441 pixel per inch and a 5'? wow in a compact design even much smaller than S3.
In other words, go for the ZL if the phone is in excelent condition and never had been opened.:good:

Yeah, I went to a nearby shop and got a hands on of the ZL, really nice phone.
What's the battery like? Screen on with 3g?
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With 3G I'd say 3-4 hours but WiFi I get around 5 hours max.
Screen pixels are awesome but energivore. You'll get used to it tho.
The Sony UI is also a huge bonus over vanilla Android UI. At first I was annoyed by it but now I feel like I'm really using my Android phone for real.

I'd go for the ZL. It feels much better than the S3, and looks much better, too. On top of that, you get a better processor (Snapdragon S4 vs Exynos 4412), a better graphics chip (Adreno 320 vs Mali 400), and twice the amount of RAM (1 GB vs 2 GB). On top of that, you get a full HD screen. There have been complaints about the viewing angles, but I'd say the viewing angles are not as bad as they are made out to be. Viewed top-down, though, the display is really, really good. For some reason--and I've observed this on a couple of units--the ZL's display is better than the Z's (I've actually got to evaluate both side by side with a Z).
So, if the ZL's in pristine condition, I'd say you go for it. Otherwise, if it's been "damaged" to some extent--you know, scratches and stuff--opt for the S3. Because personally, I wouldn't go for a damaged phone, no matter how good it might be specs-wise, and neither would I advise anybody to. That said, if you're going to be using your device heavily, and there's the need to carry around a spare battery, then it's obvious the S3's the best bet for you. So, weigh up your options, see what you need. If you're going to be carrying around a spare battery for backup, you're good with the S3. Otherwise, I'd definitely pick the ZL over the S3.

S3 is good, but ZL it's better, for me. :good:

Zl user here.. I was in similar confusion, well the chose zl over one x plus and s3 mainly its full hd display, I agree that viewing angles are not that great but normally the colors of the display cone out really well, camera though there is a problem with over compression and macro, it gives better results with manual settings, ir blaster is added feature, hardware wise its good too, not too old either. And frankly receiving updates faster than other companies. With every updates its improving, battery is better than s3 for sure. Interface is simple yet beautiful, no bloatware, I have tried most of the high end games, there is a heating issue.
Conclusion at this point of time I would buy zl over s3 or one x plus, or wait for mini version of z1
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coolrevi said:
Zl user here.. I was in similar confusion, well the chose zl over one x plus and s3 mainly its full hd display, I agree that viewing angles are not that great but normally the colors of the display cone out really well, camera though there is a problem with over compression and macro, it gives better results with manual settings, ir blaster is added feature, hardware wise its good too, not too old either. And frankly receiving updates faster than other companies. With every updates its improving, battery is better than s3 for sure. Interface is simple yet beautiful, no bloatware, I have tried most of the high end games, there is a heating issue.
Conclusion at this point of time I would buy zl over s3 or one x plus, or wait for mini version of z1
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the iverheating is firmware version the 67, have that issue. we are all w8ting for the fix ore the update

Thanks guys. Add a Note 2 and Htc One X plus to this mix.
Also, battery life is important for me.
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the iverheating is firmware version the 67, have that issue. we are all w8ting for the fix ore the update
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From 6.7 I got that issue... That's really strange, a repair might just fix that. Didn't get time to do it yet..
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Thanks guys. Add a Note 2 and Htc One X plus to this mix.
Also, battery life is important for me.
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Note is different kind of phone. Bigger screen, s pen, these are some added features, which is not there in any of these phones discussed. And all of these are priced at similar range. my suggestion, go to a store use all these phone side by side pick the one you like most, if you are routine phone switcher consider note 2 as is got good resale price of all these phones.
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Is the battery life on the One X+ really bad? I'm in love with this phone.
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Optimus G

Hi community,
I'm working in a Tele2 shop and have access to all kind of phones, owned all the flagships from all manufactures included S4, One, S3, Onex, Note2 etc.
Now I'm on Optimus G and don't have intention to leave it, as is by far the best phone from all of them.
My question is, what do you think why the LGOG is so underrated, underestimated?
I mean why such low interest in this phone, cause on 15 S4 that I sell one LGOG is sold.
The service repair rate is like on 20 S4 7 is back for repair between the first month, which makes it the most serviced phone in my store, and the rates for the LGOG is 1 over 20 phones.
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gvpula said:
Hi community,
I'm working in a Tele2 shop and have access to all kind of phones, owned all the flagships from all manufactures included S4, One, S3, Onex, Note2 etc.
Now I'm on Optimus G and don't have intention to leave it, as is by far the best phone from all of them.
My question is, what do you think why the LGOG is so underrated, underestimated?
I mean why such low interest in this phone, cause on 15 S4 that I sell one LGOG is sold.
The service repair rate is like on 20 S4 7 is back for repair between the first month, which makes it the most serviced phone in my store, and the rates for the LGOG is 1 over 20 phones.
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There are little things called marketing, brand recognition and brand loyalty.
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I know that very well, as I said, I'm a shop manager in Tele2, but if you compare the price in my country for an S3 and the LGOG, the S3 is 50$ more expensive, which has no reason to be, you can't compare this two phones, I'm talking about the standard S3 not the LTE version. Lg has a quiet good marketing in my country.
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true,lgog is one of the best,but unfortunatelly it came unnoticed.not to mention it came late in europe.that's lg's biggest problem,then the updates issue. it doesn't matter you make the best phone,if you deliver it after 6+ months from release. meanwhile,the competition doesn't sleep.
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Galaxy phones have great marketing and support from Samsung and dev comunity, also they come packed with features that easily atract average buyers. After using SGS2 and HTC One S i just fell in love with Krait So I was thinging about buying SGS3 or LGOG, and they both had interesting features. Desided to get OG cuz it was 50 eur cheaper.
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Since this is my first LG I don't know about updates, but I do know that I sold the S4 and bought OG without blinking, earned 250$ and still having a better piece of hardware in my opinion. Maybe Samsung has better marketing but the S4 is a plastic piece of shi...
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LGOG is a beast in performance compared to sgsIII..... Since this was the LG's first flagship phone during the time of release, users had doubt to buy this phone. Also Samsung has almost occupied lot more ppls in globe which pushed OG to the drown..... Though this s a grt phone, camera quality is nt upto expectation..... LG shud ve released all versions of OG with 8mpx nd improved quality instead of 13mpx and avg quality...this s also the another reason for this phone not getting popularity..... Also LG is very very slow in pushing update to their flagship models slower than Internet Explorer...
The oly problem arises in this phone is NFC.... Duno wat t hell LG did... Within 6 months I visited service centr thrice and changed the entire motherboard 3 tyms.... :banghead::banghead:
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Yep, I agree OG deserves better visibility... I have been using SGS2 for a while, but am now putting it up for sale after buying OG for just $150 (used, but in a great shape). It's an awesome phone, even with some things that are still lacking in my books (i.e. camera quality, no OTG and no SD card slot). I am not worried too much about updates, as I am happy with 4.1.2 at the moment. And I used to have an O2X before, so I am aware of LG's crappy updates...

Well I'm very satisfied with the camera, just go to gsm arena and compare the camera of Xperia Z S4 and OG and you will see that the S4 camera is slightly better but not much, and the Xperia Z it's much much worst. If we compare prices then I think we're wining the game.
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gvpula said:
Well I'm very satisfied with the camera, just go to gsm arena and compare the camera of Xperia Z S4 and OG and you will see that the S4 camera is slightly better but not much, and the Xperia Z it's much much worst.
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Yeah, I know... But simply comparing OG with my old SGS2, the camera on S2 is significantly better, in both stills and video. So, for me personally, the camera is a bit of a downgrade. This is just my subjective, non-scientific comparison...

Samsung has only stronger sharpen setting nothin more, It's just a software settings, that work indee very well.
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gvpula said:
Well I'm very satisfied with the camera, just go to gsm arena and compare the camera of Xperia Z S4 and OG and you will see that the S4 camera is slightly better but not much, and the Xperia Z it's much much worst. If we compare prices then I think we're wining the game.
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Mine has 2 weeks and the camera has dust and is full of scratches...i'm a maniac of phones i treat them very vell...but it's not enoght...the glass is not very good....

Do you use a case? I use original LG flip cover case and not a scratch on it.
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Sorin90 said:
Mine has 2 weeks and the camera has dust and is full of scratches...i'm a maniac of phones i treat them very vell...but it's not enoght...the glass is not very good....
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Yeah i use a cover!
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Try to change a cover, not all covers are good.
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It looks like the thread took a detour, but I have to add one more thing about the camera... I want to take back what I said about the image quality. Here is what happened. I was looking at the lens cover, and it seemed to me that I just couldn't clean it well enough, no matter what I did. Having a knack for taking apart everything that gets into my hands, without a second thought I decided to open up my OG. Apparently, on the inside of the lens cover there was some residue (not a dust, but more like a thin film or "haze"), which I easily removed with a Q-tip. Put stuff back together, and tried snapping the same pics I was taking yesterday, in the same lighting conditions and using the same stock camera app. Everything is crystal-clear now! I have to say I am much happier now, as this was one of the main things this phone was falling short in comparison to my old SGS2.
Getting back to the original thought about the OG being underrated, I think the lack of awareness actually has its advantages... I mean, if it was as popular as S3, for example, there would be no way in hell I could get it that cheap on Craigslist!

Agressive marketing won't make a device better. A good product sells by itself. If a product needs a lot of advertising,then it has flaws. Instead of investing in publicity,samsung should spend more on quality materials.
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kimitza said:
Agressive marketing won't make a device better. A good product sells by itself. If a product needs a lot of advertising,then it has flaws. Instead of investing in publicity,samsung should spend more on quality materials.
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I disagree with the quality materials statement. Just because its plastic, doesn't mean its not of quality construction or durability. Glass shatters and ads additional weight, whilst metal dings and bends. In the event a plastic case does break, a replacement can be cheaply sourced and its easy to refit. Samsung has a carbon fiber division that is rumored to be developing sgs5 housing.

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I disagree with the quality materials statement. Just because its plastic, doesn't mean its not of quality construction or durability. Glass shatters and ads additional weight, whilst metal dings and bends. In the event a plastic case does break, a replacement can be cheaply sourced and its easy to refit. Samsung has a carbon fiber division that is rumored to be developing sgs5 housing.
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Samsung is poor in quality.... Juz chk the first or second post of this thread... As a seller he mentioned how many Samsung mobiles he s getting back for servicing and the count s greater than LGs..... I've seen a brand new mobile of samsung giving hell lot of probs with in 3 months.... My sis had galaxy duo and she bought it recently... Suddenly it started behaving badly nd restarting by itself... Service centr guyzz asked her to change the whole motherboard...... Since Samsung has reached the market ppl still believing it as a quality product... Before buying my lgog even i had a doubt to buy Samsung SIII.... But this mobile is so cool than sgs3...:thumbup::thumbup:
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Sorin90 said:
Mine has 2 weeks and the camera has dust and is full of scratches...i'm a maniac of phones i treat them very vell...but it's not enoght...the glass is not very good....
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Same here... It's bad,that the camera is a little bit higher than the back. Generally the Quality of the used materials is bad, the silver border arround the display is really soft. But the speed of the phone is insane and its cheap!
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Considering buying ZF2

Hello there,
I am considering of buying a ZF2 and I have looked around at probably 15 reviews on this phone [emoji14] I don't care about design and such but the guides were saying that the brightness and the camera are a bit bad.
Is the brightness really bad on the ZF2 ? And how does the camera do ?
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Yup, the brightness are a little bit low at max. But still manage to clearly seen under the sunlight. And the lowest brightness are still too bright it hurt my eyes in dark environments. You may use screen filter app to solve this, and started on .90 fw update, the screen filter already implemented by asus. The camera...well, not too bad at this budget. Still can't compete with other flagship phones. If you are an expert at photography, you may consider buy another phone.
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chepoz said:
Yup, the brightness are a little bit low at max. But still manage to clearly seen under the sunlight. And the lowest brightness are still too bright it hurt my eyes in dark environments. You may use screen filter app to solve this, and started on .90 fw update, the screen filter already implemented by asus. The camera...well, not too bad at this budget. Still can't compete with other flagship phones. If you are an expert at photography, you may consider buy another phone.
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ok that's great to know that you can still see under sunlight I'm not an expert with photography just wanted to know how well it took pictures
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The camera is really bad in my opinion. Every photo I take seems to be grainy or just not all that clear. There are much better options out there. The nexus 6 can be had for $299 now. there are also good deals on the note 4 and other devices that are a year old. The brightness is a bit low, but you'll get use to it. It was a great phone for the money when it launched, but there are better options now. It is a good phone, but not great anymore.
I've always been able to use it the whole day. I usually have 10-20% battery left at night when I plug it in.

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The camera is really bad in my opinion. Every photo I take seems to be grainy or just not all that clear. There are much better options out there. The nexus 6 can be had for $299 now. there are also good deals on the note 4 and other devices that are a year old. The brightness is a bit low, but you'll get use to it. It was a great phone for the money when it launched, but there are better options now. It is a good phone, but not great anymore.
I've always been able to use it the whole day. I usually have 10-20% battery left at night when I plug it in.
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Well I wanted to go for the zenfone because of the great specs and such but I'm open to any other 5"-5"5' phones just as long as its around 300€ or so. If anyone else has any other suggestions on what other phone I could buy I'd gladly appreciate it
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For the money its a great phone. I love mine! You get what you pay for.

I agree with Bushcrafter. Mine does everything I want, and at less than half the price of comparable handsets.
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Bushcrafter said:
For the money its a great phone. I love mine! You get what you pay for.
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I agree with Bushcrafter. Mine does everything I want, and at less than half the price of comparable handsets.
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what are ye guys experiences with the display and camera ?
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I am more than satisfied with the performance of mine. I watch a lot of videos on mine and I can't complain. It is very clear and the screen brightness is not as bad as I'd heard. Comparable to my M7. The camera takes decent shots in bright and low light. I have nothing but good thingscto say about the performance of this phone.
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I prefer the ZF2 over my Nexus 5. The reports regarding the screen brightness are, while true, exaggerated imho. The camera is worse than the Nexus 5's but I don't care about the camera anyway.

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The nexus 6 can be had for $299 now.
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I noticed OP posted the price in Euros, I assume he's European, so the median price of a Nexus 6 device in Europe right now is more than 450 to 500 euros at some cases, whereas the ZF2 can be found at 50 or 100 euro cheaper than the Nexus6
For the specs it has, I'd say it's a good offer

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I noticed OP posted the price in Euros, I assume he's European, so the median price of a Nexus 6 device in Europe right now is more than 450 to 500 euros at some cases, whereas the ZF2 can be found at 50 or 100 euro cheaper than the Nexus6
For the specs it has, I'd say it's a good offer
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Yeah the Nexus 6 is a bit pricey here. Yeah I'll go for the ZF2, great reviews here and loads of exaggeration of reviews elsewhere.
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I prefer the ZF2 over my Nexus 5. The reports regarding the screen brightness are, while true, exaggerated imho. The camera is worse than the Nexus 5's but I don't care about the camera anyway.
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Ok that's good to know that the screen brightness isn't that bad
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I am more than satisfied with the performance of mine. I watch a lot of videos on mine and I can't complain. It is very clear and the screen brightness is not as bad as I'd heard. Comparable to my M7. The camera takes decent shots in bright and low light. I have nothing but good thingscto say about the performance of this phone.
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Ok great thanks, I hope that the camera will be better than my current moto g (1st Gen) [emoji14]
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Yeah the Nexus 6 is a bit pricey here. Yeah I'll go for the ZF2, gear reviews here and loads of exaggeration of reviews elsewhere.
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true, I've also ordered it and wait it to be delivered since a local eshop had it on a special offer at 339€. Of course, If I could find both Nexus 6 and the ZF2 at the same money, I'd get the first mainly because you can mod it easily and without any repercussions (unlocked bootloader doesn't void the warranty, etc)
But then again, going from my current phone of 512 mb ram and 400 mb internal memory to a rocket like ZF2 doesn't leave me much room for complaints

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true, I've also ordered it and wait it to be delivered since a local eshop had it on a special offer at 339€. Of course, If I could find both Nexus 6 and the ZF2 at the same money, I'd get the first mainly because you can mod it easily and without any repercussions (unlocked bootloader doesn't void the warranty, etc)
But then again, going from my current phone of 512 mb ram and 400 mb internal memory to a rocket like ZF2 doesn't leave me much room for complaints
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although the nexus has a better stock experience it has a bit lower specs so I might as well get the ZF2 for the bit lower price
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although the nexus has a better stock experience it has a bit lower specs so I might as well get the ZF2 for the bit lower price
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got mine 2 hours ago, holy **** it's fast. Rooting was also easy and quick. Seems like it's very good actually

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got mine 2 hours ago, holy **** it's fast. Rooting was also easy and quick. Seems like it's very good actually
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that's great to hear good luck with your phone.
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bublz654 said:
Hello there,
I am considering of buying a ZF2 and I have looked around at probably 15 reviews on this phone [emoji14] I don't care about design and such but the guides were saying that the brightness and the camera are a bit bad.
Is the brightness really bad on the ZF2 ? And how does the camera do ?
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Im a new owner and I regret getting this phone. Battery life is terrible, camera is mediocre, many weird bugs, screen brightness is a joke, reminds me of my 2011 HTC. Oh and still no Android 5.1 and its probably never coming to this phone apparently and probably same story for Android marshmallow.
Avoid this phone at all cost. You can get a better phone for less IMO. Mine is going on Craig's list if the next big patch doesn't fix the battery life.

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Im a new owner and I regret getting this phone. Battery life is terrible, camera is mediocre, many weird bugs, screen brightness is a joke, reminds me of my 2011 HTC. Oh and still no Android 5.1 and its probably never coming to this phone apparently and probably same story for Android marshmallow.
Avoid this phone at all cost. You can get a better phone for less IMO. Mine is going on Craig's list if the next big patch doesn't fix the battery life.
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I don't care about android version [emoji14] can easily root it anyway and flash ROM. ROMS can easily fix battery life issue
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I don't care about android version [emoji14] can easily root it anyway and flash ROM. ROMS can easily fix battery life issue
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nope, none of the ROM currently available can give this phone a good battery life.

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nope, none of the ROM currently available can give this phone a good battery life.
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It has better battery life than lg g4 and galaxy s6(had both), so what's your point? If you personally have a bad experience with your unit, that doesn't make this a phone to "avoid at all cost".
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Is it worth buying this tablet ?

HI,
I am recently looking for a tablet for my nephew who likes to do alot of skype and selfie as well as watch cartoons and play games. Is this tab still worth a shot? What about the development for this device till now? Any input will be greatly appreciated.

Still a good buy, my T800 display is the best I have ever seen, and supposedly being updated to marshmallow by samsung within the next couple of months.
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iubjaved said:
HI,
I am recently looking for a tablet for my nephew who likes to do alot of skype and selfie as well as watch cartoons and play games. Is this tab still worth a shot? What about the development for this device till now? Any input will be greatly appreciated.
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Hello Friend,
this tab is long on the market, so the last the last possible new official OS would be 6.0 (supposedly, it should roll out soon, I am writing probably because I won't believe unless I see it). I won't write about unofficial because i haven't use it yet, stock is (FOR MY NEEDS) perfect. But let's back to your topic:
- front camera could be more better for selfies and skype, in my opinion it's low
- display -resolution, colorus , quality - FABOLOUS (referring to cartoons and games)
- battery, I think it could be better, just my opinion, I get 5-6 sot (mixed ,some youtube, but some reading text, some internet browsing) in my opinion it's too low, but of course any user can have even less or much more
-performance idk about games - don't play, but youtube in 1440 p, browsing the internet it's pleasure
- if your nephew is young and doesn't care about screen quality, and may broke tablet easily I would by sth cheaper, with lower resolution , somthing wit nice ratio of value for the money
what else? it's thin, elegant, I just like it and hope to get official 6.0, no matter what it wil stay with me for long time (hope battery will stand it)
Cheers,

I have worked at Samsung when Tab S2 was releaed and I decided to buy Tab S LTE and I like it. Almost a year with me, running on custom 6.0.1 now and I have nothing to wish about, except of probably 10.5" foldable tablet. There is no alternative of that weight and quality forva ful scale remote computing I use daily.

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I have worked at Samsung when Tab S2 was releaed and I decided to buy Tab S LTE and I like it. Almost a year with me, running on custom 6.0.1 now and I have nothing to wish about, except of probably 10.5" foldable tablet. There is no alternative of that weight and quality forva ful scale remote computing I use daily.
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Foldable tablet !! Lol . Here too I want foldable tab! [emoji23]
BTW I got both Tab s and S2 and both work great except tab s2 has better battery consuming . If development is most important thing and screen quality . Look at Nvidia tablet. it is good in development side and gaming.
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Thanks for your input. Is there any kernel development for the tablet ? The price asked is $230, is the asking price is average ? Also can i get a better alternative at same price ?

iubjaved said:
HI,
I am recently looking for a tablet for my nephew who likes to do alot of skype and selfie as well as watch cartoons and play games. Is this tab still worth a shot? What about the development for this device till now? Any input will be greatly appreciated.
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If screen quality isn't of major importance (not that it's bad) then I'd look at the Tab A, it's just got mm and less than half the price of a Tab S.
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ashyx said:
If screen quality isn't of major importance (not that it's bad) then I'd look at the Tab A, it's just got mm and less than half the price of a Tab S.
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Thanks i already purchased one. Thanks all for the suggestions. Time to try out some rom. Any suggestions on that?
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iubjaved said:
Thanks i already purchased one. Thanks all for the suggestions. Time to try out some rom. Any suggestions on that?
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For what model?
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ashyx said:
For what model?
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SM-T705