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Not brillient news from O2!

Firstly let me say these are just some of the opinions of staff I've spoken too at 3 O2 shops in my area.
Basically, my upgrade is due next week and I've been looking forward to the new WP7 and the HD7 although I now know the transition will be painful. I wanted to have a play before hand so popped into their shops. I went to 3 because the first 2 hadn't had any hand sets delivered - Only some posters and plastic handsets. They also had next to no knowledge of the phones and pretty much shrugged their shoulders about it.
The third shop had a demo only......which stopped working altogether yesterday. They quoted some dead pixels and then it just gave up. No other explanation given
None of the shops know when they will actually receive any stock.
They all were suggesting I go for the new Blackberry (won't touch these) or an Android phone. Only one lady suggested a iPhone (again not going there).
One guy suggested that this may be a complete flop and we had an interesting conversation as to why he thought so, some of his comments I thought were total gash but he had a point on others. He mentioned that some of the apps on the market place were crashing the device (has anyone any knowledge of this?), or slow (already seeing comments about this on here). To be fair, he was the only one who knew any details about the phone. He suggested that the real release will be after the first update (so Jan), and that at the moment this release was considered to be a real world testing phase.
So none of this is looking promising for the moment. I'm desperate for a new phone - my X1i is pretty long in the tooth now. I'm already installing SBS with Exchange on one of my machines so I don't have to keep my contact and calender items on Live (testing of using the connector is showing loss of data, categories and irregularities which I can't explain or make no sense).
Just thought I'd pass this on.

So basically they have no win phomes and want to sell you something else to make some commission. Why does anyone listen to these salespeople?
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N8ter said:
So basically they have no win phomes and want to sell you something else to make some commission. Why does anyone listen to these salespeople?
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Basically - yes. I get the impression that they don't know anything about the phone or OS in the first place to push a sale even if they had the stock.
To be fair, I'll be getting mine via O2 retentions anyway.

Unless the CLR is broken or the Silverlight base library is buggy as hell in the PInvoke parts that interact with the low level system, I really doubt that the apps will crash the phone.

Tom Servo said:
Unless the CLR is broken or the Silverlight base library is buggy as hell in the PInvoke parts that interact with the low level system, I really doubt that the apps will crash the phone.
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there have been
some data programs that have a lot of data from rss feeds aren't nearly as smooth as microsoft software (eg email sms and the like)
I don't think its an issue that a quick ota (january) will fix however so in that I agree with the CS rep.

The OS is new and so a few bugs are to be expected. I think once they release the update in Jan it will be much better.
I don't think that they can think it will be a flop as it hasn't even been released in the US and thats where M$ will probably do most of its advertising.

domineus said:
there have been
some data programs that have a lot of data from rss feeds aren't nearly as smooth as microsoft software (eg email sms and the like)
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That means nothing without the source code available. The applications could for instance do not make use of threading to mitigate these issues, maybe overload various controls with data instead of using on-demand loading (and unloading), etc blah blah.

My experience with o2 was a bit better. Well the other half went into one of the Guildford stores to pick up two phones for us before she went into work. There were already some people buying some and she overheard one of the staff members say after she brought those they’d have four left, but then the guy she was dealing with said it was the last one, obviously not wanting to shift two of them on PAYG. So I made my own way into Aldershot to pick one up, and the staff in there seemed pretty enthusiastic about the HD7 and actually knew a bit about them. Was somewhat impressed. I'd be more impressed if they offered me a cradle instead of a case though.
As for the crashing applications, as already said they don't crash the phone, it just falls back to the Start screen. The one that got a bit of attention was the Xbox Live Extras application (which lets you send messages, customise your avatar etc) doesn't seem to be working on HTC phones, it was pulled off the Marketplace yesterday and a fix is going through certification now and should be up in a few days.
Some 3rd party applications aren't as smooth as the Microsoft stuff, you can tell the difference between them but they aren't what I would call slow. Load times weren't as bad as I was expecting for the games either.

I'm yet to find a member of staff in any phone shop that heard of windows phone 7
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Just got one. Installed all free apps on market place just to test. Did not yet encounter any problems except one, how do you activesync it to outlook?!?!?!?!?!

I on the other hand had a good experience from O2 and the HD7 with Win Phone 7.
The Basingstoke store had a working demo and the sales guy was very enthuastic about the phone and demo'd it and let me play with the phone for about 15 minutes. The experience was very good of WP7 and now really keen to have it....either on my HD2 or to get a HD7.
I expect it not to be perfect, but from other articles and the sales guy the WP7 OS will get updates regulary which presumably will fix bugs, just like a home OS.
So...HD2 and wait.....or sell HD2 and get HD7???

domineus said:
there have been
some data programs that have a lot of data from rss feeds aren't nearly as smooth as microsoft software (eg email sms and the like)
I don't think its an issue that a quick ota (january) will fix however so in that I agree with the CS rep.
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Which is very likely down to a badly written app and has nothing to do with Microsoft (other than the fact they allowed a sub-par app onto the marketplace).
lee-bowman said:
So...HD2 and wait.....or sell HD2 and get HD7???
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Unless you really want a HD7 I would stick it out and see if you can get the 16GB Omnia 7 instead. The screen is that much better even if it is slightly smaller, as is the camera. The HD7 feels like a cheap knockoff in comparison. The only reason I got the HD7 was 8GB on the Samsung, but will definitely swap it out if it turns out I can get my hands on the 16GB version.

ruscik said:
Just got one. Installed all free apps on market place just to test. Did not yet encounter any problems except one, how do you activesync it to outlook?!?!?!?!?!
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It doesn't. Exchange ActiveSync only.
Mind you even Hotmail can almost replicate the feature set of Exchange 2003 nowadays, all it's lacking is Tasks (not supported on WP7) and the fancy meeting arangement stuff.

I would like to also share my story I went to my local town and the only shop to have had any wp7 handsets was o2 but had sold out only 15 mins after opening, Orange said demand was so high only big stores had any others said due sometime thus month. I want back to o2 store and they phoned around and reserved one in another store got it no problem but was last one they had. I think everyone underestimated the os and didn't have the stock to cover demand so I'm not worried about popularity. The sales ppl will say anything to sell what they have in stock. Apps rock esp the games i recomed harvest and twin blades i have been playing for hours, and that's bearing in mind i have also just bought f1 2010 for my Xbox. Don't get put off phone around you will be glad you did

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It doesn't. Exchange ActiveSync only.
Mind you even Hotmail can almost replicate the feature set of Exchange 2003 nowadays, all it's lacking is Tasks (not supported on WP7) and the fancy meeting arangement stuff.
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As far as I am aware you can active sync via exchange with hotmail and Gmail but with Gmail I know you can sync outlook with Google calender and thus ph7 its a bit of a long workaround but it works

I rang around a few O2 stores around the south of Ireland on Wednesday (the day before the release) to check availability, and 3 out of 4 staff had no idea what I was talking about (even in one or two larger stores).
The last store I rang knew exactly what I was talking about, checked their system, saw that they had one handset due in in the morning, and reserved it for me. Champion.
I was quite nervous about abandoning WM 6.5 for WP7, but after a few days of use I'm really happy. It does all the basics incredibly well (SMS, calls, calendar, email). Web browsing is a pleasure. Everything is fast and it works just as it should.
There is nowhere near the level of customisation that regular 6.5 fanboys would be used to, so if you are expecting to be able to change SMS font size, calendar notification ringtones etc etc then you will be disappointed. The approach here is "Keep It Simple, Stupid" and it works really well. You've just got to go with the flow.
All I'm really waiting for now is a decent GPS Navigation app (along the lines of iGo) and a replacement for SPB Wallet (I believe eWallet is en route shortly) and I'll be a happy camper.
Oh and I've had a crash just the once so far, when I launched the Seesmic app for the first time. The screen locked up and the device rebooted itself. Hasn't happened since, hopefully won't happen too often!

They all know about it here in Birmingham city center!
(In carrier shops... Phones4U and Carphone Warehouse don't get the phones yet)
They've had Windows Phone reps ushering people around in the street.
All O2 shops have HD7 demo units about if you ask, or even on custom displays.
Orange shops have HTC Mozart and Omnia 7.
(But reluctant to get Omnia out now as they seem to be investing a lot of Advertising in the Mozart... went to another shop and made friends with a guy and got one!)
Even Vodafone shop has the HTC Trophy banging about and leaflets for it etc!

daSmirnov said:
It doesn't. Exchange ActiveSync only.
Mind you even Hotmail can almost replicate the feature set of Exchange 2003 nowadays, all it's lacking is Tasks (not supported on WP7) and the fancy meeting arangement stuff.
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lumpaywk said:
As far as I am aware you can active sync via exchange with hotmail and Gmail but with Gmail I know you can sync outlook with Google calender and thus ph7 its a bit of a long workaround but it works
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Sorry but none of that is a proper solution.
If you sync your outlook contacts with hotmail you loose a lot of data that is normally stored in them, pictures, certain type of contact detail that hotmail does not support.
That is minor however the first live ID you use on the phone needs to be the actual one as that is the live ID that will be used with zune, xbox live and all other apps. No live ID no phone.
AKA my outlook contacts get mixed with my messenger contacts.
Only way around it is to open another hotmail account.
On top of that all contacts are erased if you delete your hotmail profile created on the phone. It has to stay there working. I am not comfortable with having all my contacts in hotmail that is regulary hacked (about every 2 months).
TBH they dropped the bomb there and many other places.
- You cannot transfer files via bluetooth atleast I can not from my laptop, home PC and HD2.
- There is no widgets for main screen to enable/disable wifi/bluetooth on the main screen.
- In no settings for apps that use data (some apps do not even have settings) there is an option to not use data when roaming, this is a major issue as phone constantly goes to internet. Only option is to disable manually all sync, still it will not stop it going off if you click on a app. ---- Partially solved. There is a option insttings to disable all data connections when roaming. So you can stop it all together but no per application option which is very annoying as I always have weather and location enabled to roam. I also check e-mail. Now I will not be able to do that and if I do switch it back on all apps will try o connect.
- There is no GPS software at all
- HTC said there is digital compass ... where?
- No google maps just bing maps
- You can not assign other search providers for now so you stuck with bing.
- You can not change background of the main screen, only option is white or
black
- Do not even start me with the zune music interface and how you have to copy that music
- There is no internet sharing option not even bluetooth as it does not show up when connected to my PC.

you know, it really surprises me at the level of douche-baggery that occurs in these forums, especially the WP7. yes, a lot of features that were previously available either officially or through tweaks for wm 6.5 are gone and pound for pound, the features don't stack up against iOS or android.
but if you're interested in getting a WP7 phone you SHOULD be aware by now of these inherent drawbacks so stop complaining and go elsewhere if you're not satisfied. no one is making you buy these phones. i'm sure most of the bugs will be addressed shortly in ver 1.1 or 2.0. i mean, android didn't really step into its own until 2.0 and neither did iOS.
and i'm saying this even as an iphone 4 user

littleasian said:
you know, it really surprises me at the level of douche-baggery that occurs in these forums, especially the WP7. yes, a lot of features that were previously available either officially or through tweaks for wm 6.5 are gone and pound for pound, the features don't stack up against iOS or android.
but if you're interested in getting a WP7 phone you SHOULD be aware by now of these inherent drawbacks so stop complaining and go elsewhere if you're not satisfied. no one is making you buy these phones. i'm sure most of the bugs will be addressed shortly in ver 1.1 or 2.0. i mean, android didn't really step into its own until 2.0 and neither did iOS.
and i'm saying this even as an iphone 4 user
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Oh I am sorry. I been using HTC's for ages since first o2 one which was just XDA. I been waiting for WP7 as 6.5 was just not it, hardware was there but OS was still acting same slow.
No where have I seen that in WP7 bluetooth will only be for headphones? MS has year of experience in mobile phones basics should have been covered, then again Vista.
I can understand lack of google maps but stuck to bing, they just lost similar case and had to remove IE from win7 replacing it with selection window for other browsers and now this?
Why activesync was removed, why no option to change background they have reverted with WP7 to first Android. WP7 is to be the next thing in long term and not going backwards like they did. Even Android and Iphone can sync with outlook.
It is like getting a sports car with no wheels, all basics are there for great product but it just does not work remotely as good as any other car with wheels.
BTW microsoft removed those functions, they did think about it before doing it (granted assigned wrong people) so it will not be corrected officially for some time. Only possible rescue is regeditor for WP7 and ability to enable services somehow.

[Q] How many windows live id can be used in one Windows Phone 7 device's marketplace?

Hi buddies,
Is there any one know that how many windows live id can be used in one WP7 device?
Yes, I know one windows live id can use 5 devices, you can find this limitation from Zune desktop -> settings ->Account -> Computers and devices. If you have more than 5 WP7 devices you should delete some from this place.
Now I have a WP7(LG GW910), I can binding a Windows Live ID in this phone. And all the other windows live related functions(contact, email, pictures, canlendar and so on) work fine. But always got a message "Can't get this info right now. Check back in a little while." when I click the "install" button in APP's detail page. The apps also can't be installed from Zune PC software. I checked the devices list from "Zune ->settings ->Account -> Computers and devices", and this phone did not here.
I remeber that my friends tried to download app from another WP7 device, he got a message said that cannot registry the marketplace account(his live id is first used in his WP7 device, and never have a marketplace relationship) due to the device binded too many windows live id.
I guess my WP7 device met the same issue, there are too many people used this phone before me. So I cannot use marketplace now. Is there any one know this limitation and how to resolve it?

try performing a factory reset (settings > system > about > reset your phone)? I was wondering how MS would do this. I'm presuming it's part of their theft prevention that it does tightly couple the windows live ID with the phone, but i'm not sure in your case what you should do. but a factory reset is probably a good place to start.

Normally you can change a device's Live ID once a month (so if you have 5 devices you can exchange one every month). If your device has been connected to multiple live IDs since it was bought you might have to wait for that time to expire before being able to download from the marketplace.
Not sure on this but the one month policy occured somewhere and it's the most plausible cause for the issue if other people used the phone before.

[Q] Marketplace problem

Hi All,
Just tried buying an app from the marketplace and got this message:
"Can't get this info right now, please try again later"
I just spent about an hour searching various forums, and there seems to be a real difference of opinion about what this message means. Some posters suggest that it indicates a problem at MS's end (i.e. they're doing maintenance, something is wrong with Windows Live etc), and so the best thing to do is sit tight. Others seem to think it is user problem, and you need to reset the phone, clear the history in IE, turn on/off cookies in IE, etc... Given I didn't change anything on my phone and this just started happening for no obvious reason, I'm inclined to think its an MS problem. Anyone else dealt with this? Advice would be helpful as I don't want to waste time trying all the suggested solutions online...

I have two devices (Trophy). One is OK, but the other the same that you. All are update with the february update...

Just spoke with Microsoft support and they weren't very helpful. Suggested it might be something to do with the IP address the phone is using (I'm currently in Canada, although my Windows Live / Zune account is in the US). That doesn't really make sense to me, as I have been using the phone in Canada since the Feb update with no problems - why should it suddenly have a problem with the IP address? Also, I can still use my Zune Pass...

Sorry my english. I uninstall all aplications with updates in marketplace in the device that not connect. But remains one: Xbox Live Extras. With this device I can't connect to Xbox live. ¿Can you connect to Xbox live? The another device that it's right connect without problems...

Today it works... This night made changes in the profile of XBox Live... But I dón't know if had been casuality...

I have the same problem with my hd7, in spain, since this afternoon i cant buy anything on the market place... xbox live works, zunepass works but no market i cant get nothing even free stuff does not work... any ideas?

Count me in on the Market app install problem. Been trying all day to install some apps and they won't. I get the same message as the OP.

quantum on att here. same problem off and on. i find that if i wait for a few seconds (as if to have the marketplace dumbware to finish loading), and then tap "install" it usually goes through. when it goes through, it says "purchasing" rather than showing only the dots.

Haven't had any problems since I did a hard reset and then "rebuilt" the phone with a Canadian Windows Live account. Can't access my Zune Pass on the phone anymore, of course...
Any chance the update did something to our phones? Has everyone posting here had the update?

BenJG said:
Haven't had any problems since I did a hard reset and then "rebuilt" the phone with a Canadian Windows Live account. Can't access my Zune Pass on the phone anymore, of course...
Any chance the update did something to our phones? Has everyone posting here had the update?
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Not mine. Still 7004

The same for me with 7004, 7008 and nodo update.
I test one thing : changing my windows live id wth another email adress
it works like a chrm
so th bug is due to the windows live account and not the market
grrrr, i loss all the programs i've been purchasing before!

Seiya said:
The same for me with 7004, 7008 and nodo update.
I test one thing : changing my windows live id wth another email adress
it works like a chrm
so th bug is due to the windows live account and not the market
grrrr, i loss all the programs i've been purchasing before!
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The Market seems to be working now. Apps are now installing.

Can anyone else confirm that the problem has now resolved itself? I'm not all that eek to hard reset my phone again and go back to my original live account if it's not going to make a difference...

I just got this problem now! grr, hard reset for no reason, ffs!

Hard reset and set up with US-based account. All working perfectly again. I suspect this problem has something to do with our Live accounts at Microsoft's end. If it happen to me again, I think I'll just wait for things to (hopefully) resolve themselves.

I was having this issue for a week now and fixed it today about 5 hours ago actually. I was looking to see what I may have done recently to cause the issue and I had cookies disabled. Once I re-enabled it, everything worked again.

Well it Works for me again...

Nokia Lumia 900 phone is not recognized as a Nokia phone

Long story short I got a new ATT branded phone about 2 months ago. I decided to open it yesterday and treat it like a PMP. The reason I cannot use it like a phone is that I'm on the Tmobile network, so I will need to unlock it in the near future.
After a full charge the batter says that it will last for 1 day and 17 hours. <----- This is normal?
For some reason all the Nokia apps are not installed on the phone. I went to the market place on my phone, and typed Nokia, and nothing officially by Nokia shows up. I went to Nokia's website on my phone, to download the "Nokia Drive" pack, and it says my phone is not a Nokia phone.
What gives? How do I fix this problem? Hopefully I can use the map pack because my gps is dying .

Did you update to Tango using the cabs provided on this site ???? if so you need to do a refurbish with the stock firmware. I had this happen to me but only after I upgraded to tango.
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Long story short I got a new ATT branded phone about 2 months ago. I decided to open it yesterday and treat it like a PMP. The reason I cannot use it like a phone is that I'm on the Tmobile network, so I will need to unlock it in the near future.
After a full charge the batter says that it will last for 1 day and 17 hours. <----- This is normal?
For some reason all the Nokia apps are not installed on the phone. I went to the market place on my phone, and typed Nokia, and nothing officially by Nokia shows up. I went to Nokia's website on my phone, to download the "Nokia Drive" pack, and it says my phone is not a Nokia phone.
What gives? How do I fix this problem? Hopefully I can use the map pack because my gps is dying .
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Your battery will learn your usage and adjust accordingly.. My HTC Surround w/o SIM and WIFi always on, lasts about 3 days. But that battery is only 1230mAh vs. 1930mAh.
No apps are installed by default. You open Marketplace on your phone and Nokia will be listed as an app option. You can go to the Nokia app hub from there.
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Did you update to Tango using the cabs provided on this site ???? if so you need to do a refurbish with the stock firmware. I had this happen to me but only after I upgraded to tango.
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Thanks for the quick reply!
The first time I unsealed the box, I immediately connected it to the outlet to charge full. After the charge I turned on the phone and could not find the Nokia apps.
I then connected it to my computer to update the firmware, but after the update I was still unable to find or download the Nokia apps.
I do not know what "cabs" means but I did not update the firmware through this website, but through the Zune software.
My firmware is still Windows 7.5 OS version 7.10.8112.7

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Your battery will learn your usage and adjust accordingly.. My HTC Surround w/o SIM and WIFi always on, lasts about 3 days. But that battery is only 1230mAh vs. 1930mAh.
No apps are installed by default. You open Marketplace on your phone and Nokia will be listed as an app option. You can go to the Nokia app hub from there.
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Thanks for the reply. I was concerned about the battery because my friend's HTC Titan 2 which she got the same time as me can last 6 or 7 days on a full charge, and it states that in the battery saver screen. I just wanted to be sure that Nokia Lumia 900's battery life is aroun 1 or 2 days after a full charge.
I previously had a Lumia 710, and the software is automatically installed with the phone, and from investigation, the Nokia apps are supposed to be on the phone without you having to download it. Aside from that, the marketplace/Nokia does not recognize my Lumia 900 as a Nokia phone thus my inability to download the programs.
I am also missing the Nokia app hub which was present in the Lumia 710.

If you go into the Marketplace and you cannot see "Nokia collection" listed as the first option then you need to force the marketplace to refresh. Easiest way to do this is to make sure you are signed in to your Windows Live account on the phone and then open the Xbox app. Let the app refresh its own list and then exit out to the home screen. Now if you load up the marketplace you will see "Nokia collection" as the first option in the list.
Note if that does not work, you might need to restart the phone after letting the Xbox app do its thing (most of the time it works right away though). If you get no joy after this then its possible the ROM is not stock or has had alterations done to it.

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If you go into the Marketplace and you cannot see "Nokia collection" listed as the first option then you need to force the marketplace to refresh. Easiest way to do this is to make sure you are signed in to your Windows Live account on the phone and then open the Xbox app. Let the app refresh its own list and then exit out to the home screen. Now if you load up the marketplace you will see "Nokia collection" as the first option in the list.
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I can confirm that this works as it happened with me and that's how I solved it. Thank you for sharing!

dcuk7 said:
If you go into the Marketplace and you cannot see "Nokia collection" listed as the first option then you need to force the marketplace to refresh. Easiest way to do this is to make sure you are signed in to your Windows Live account on the phone and then open the Xbox app. Let the app refresh its own list and then exit out to the home screen. Now if you load up the marketplace you will see "Nokia collection" as the first option in the list.
Note if that does not work, you might need to restart the phone after letting the Xbox app do its thing (most of the time it works right away though). If you get no joy after this then its possible the ROM is not stock or has had alterations done to it.
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It worked! Thank you very much!
For a moment there I thought I ended up with a faulty phone and that I would have no way of exchanging it for another one or I'd have to prepare for a confrontation with the Microsoft store . hahaha.
Can I also get information on what your phone says for remaining battery life in the battery saver options under settings? I just want to verify that after a full charge, the phone says it has approximately 1 day 23 hours (more or less) remaining.

To be honest I've never looked in the battery saver menu after charging the 900 (I'm not really one of those guys that cares exactly how much battery I have, the rough indication from the battery icon at the top is enough for me). I'll need to charge my phone overnight tonight so I'll let you know what mine says in the morning.

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To be honest I've never looked in the battery saver menu after charging the 900 (I'm not really one of those guys that cares exactly how much battery I have, the rough indication from the battery icon at the top is enough for me). I'll need to charge my phone overnight tonight so I'll let you know what mine says in the morning.
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Thanks in advance!

dcuk7 said:
If you go into the Marketplace and you cannot see "Nokia collection" listed as the first option then you need to force the marketplace to refresh. Easiest way to do this is to make sure you are signed in to your Windows Live account on the phone and then open the Xbox app. Let the app refresh its own list and then exit out to the home screen. Now if you load up the marketplace you will see "Nokia collection" as the first option in the list.
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That... that is the oddest fix ever. Thank you.

[Q] unable to load marketplace after market select

i seem to have a little problem.
after selecting a different marketplace and region, rebooted as instructed. i went to download some stuff only to find that the marketplace will not load.
the screen says.....loading then back flips back to menu.
tried restoring with back-up for both (Restore OEM and Restore MO) but still nothing.
marketplace will not load.
also cannot open xbox games... starts by saying loading then flips back to menu
tried soft reset but still nothing
currently running mi7Rom WP7.8 Edition Nokia Mod v2 on omnia7
any help would be appreciated
p.s when i look online at my phone details it comes up as samsung cetus!!!
i would rather not load the rom again if i can find a solution

I had this its todo with changing OEM AND MO device details the problem is it gets all screwed up when certs get synced, changing back the reg settings doesn't work, there are literally 100s of XML files that also contain various stings, I thin the problem lies in them. I for it working but in the absence of time, formatting was the best solution
Sent from my Lumia 900 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

thanks for the reply. i was hoping not to have to reformat quite yet.... ball ache.
probably wait for an official/unofficial 7.8

Yeah, some of the marketplace hacks use a known-to-be-harmful hack. The reputable ones shouldn't - this issue was discovered well over a year ago - but to some people the allure of being able to run Nokia apps on their non-Nokia phones is too great. Installing the apps can be done without this hack (which is to change the OEM and phone info in the DeviceTargetingInfo registry key), but running them often cannot.
The only known solution is to hard-reset, or to restore a full phone backup that was taken prior to using the hack.

tbh GoodDayToDie i chose what i thought was a reputable app to do this from.
i used market select by sh4d0w86. oh well, you live and learn.
i wasn't trying to get nokia apps >.< the app i wanted was iheartradio which has never been available in my region.
i will be reformatting soon. let this be a lesson to me

GDTD, yeah ive never used the apps and applied the modifications myself, I suspect its actually to do with the Mobile operator settings, and not exclusively the device or OEM settings, ive been fiddling with the others in an attempt to recreate the problem, it appears random but that Mobile operator reg entry, so far, appears to expedite the problems.