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This sucks. Im starting to hate my phone and wishing I went with something else. Im paying $90 a month, and they want MORE just to occasionally tether with my laptop. Installing satellite internet in my car wouldnt cost this much.
So I am a Linux user...Not a master by any means, and I need dumbed down directions for using the command line.....Remind me how to navigate to a folder, ect....But I enjoy tinkering and hacking.
So right now I am pretty pissed. I am tempted to cancel my Sprint account and just getting a separate account with a Windows phone HTC mogul or Touch Pro original, which are EASY to tether with, even with Linux.
Can anyone help me to either
A.) get my phone rooted in 2.2, where Z4root does not seem to be supported, and where it claims that the operating system does not support Wireless Tether?....and second, help me tether wireless in infrastructure mode so that Ubuntu/Mint can connect to my signal with third party apps?
B.)How to install a third party rom that is geared for people who want to tether their devices with Ubuntu laptops and Android tablets? I want something stable that works. Speed is nice, but not at the expense of stability. I mostly want to use my phone as a mobile hotspot for at least 1 computer without getting robbed for another $30. I also take picture, video, watch youtube with my daughter, and use the calendar and planner, but I probably could have gotten by with the original touch pro for cheaper and used my thousand dollar laptop and 800 dollar tablet for a lot less money. I really just need free wireless tethering.
Also, please feel free to discuss the quality and pros/cons of different roms available for the Epic 4g.
I had Window's phone for a long time and went to Android a few years back. Part of me still wants to play with a Window's phone. I can not renew for another year. For the first time I am thinking of buying a used phone.
I just can not spend a lot of a phone. I am wondering what is a good entry level used phone for a Window's phone?
Thanks for any help.
Any HTC. Samsungs have problems with proximity sensor, it keeps freezing and you need to remove the battery to reset.
Seriously, if you can, buy a Lumia. I had a HTC Trophy 7 since January/2011, and bought a Lumia 800 last month. (before WP, I had an Android, and was the best thing I've done)
Never had LG, but LG is not the core of smartphones, so I wouldnt risk.
I've gone from iOS (back in '09) to Windows Mobile to Android to Windows phone and in a week or two I'll be back to Android. You say you've had a windows phone before, so I assume you know the advantages and disadvantages. For low end, just about any Windows phone is preferable (since they all perform generally well). But the high end phone it becomes arguable (Lumia 900 vs Galaxy Nexus for example). But I digress.
Within wp7 the two top seem to be the Lumia series and the titans (I & II). I agree with mikeeam, if you can then get a Lumia. I have an 800 right now and it's definitely has some of the best external hardware (casing, build etc) I've ever had on a device. The only reason I'm getting rid of mine is because I've gotten too accustomed to the Google benefits (had a Galaxy Nexus....lost it on a vacation).
If the 800 is too much for you, the 710 seems pretty good too (if you're on tmobile). Honestly, I'd just wait a month or so. With the 900 coming out, the 800 should decrease in price as there'll be less of a demand for it.
Nokia Lumia 710
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I had Window's phone for a long time and went to Android a few years back. Part of me still wants to play with a Window's phone. I can not renew for another year. For the first time I am thinking of buying a used phone.
I just can not spend a lot of a phone. I am wondering what is a good entry level used phone for a Window's phone?
Thanks for any help.
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I got out of the contract game and have not look back since. Last year I bought a use LG Quantum because i like to have a keyboard and have been happy with it.
Well, he did say he's on a budget,so I'd recommend a HTC HD 2 , simply as it can run both OS 's and has a reasonable spec. Also I guess its worth mentioning it has a large Dev community.
But as said before if you can afford it get a HTC Titan / HTC sensation XL for examctly the same reasons as said before, just see how far your budget can stretch
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Well, he did say he's on a budget,so I'd recommend a HTC HD 2 , simply as it can run both OS 's and has a reasonable spec. Also I guess its worth mentioning it has a large Dev community.
But as said before if you can afford it get a HTC Titan / HTC sensation XL for examctly the same reasons as said before, just see how far your budget can stretch
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Yeah, and be stuck with Android 2.x and Windows Phone Mango forever? I wouldnt take that.
Anyway, OS gets at the taste. Some prefer iOS, other Android, me WP. Having tried all of them. So is hard to recommend and not be biased.
Samsung Focus.
Its an AT&T phone, so if you aren't on AT&T then I retract. But for used phones, thats the best bang for your buck you can get. Screen is great, performance is fluid, call quality is good, and never had any issues with proximity sensors ect.
I am on ATT. Thank you so much for all the Idea's so far.
HTC HD7S should be able to find one on eBay for around $200
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I am on ATT. Thank you so much for all the Idea's so far.
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If you can live with a Contract with AT&T... The Lumina 900 (the claimed Flagship WP7 device as if right now) will be $99 with a 2 year.... around the 9th, not even out yet.
Very sexy phone tho....
One thing to note: if you're used to the unlocakability of WinMo and Android, avoid the Lumias and Titans for now. Currently, there's no known interop-unlock hacks for them, which means no way to install high-privilege homebrew (or more than 10 homebrew apps at once) and no bootloader unlock (which means no way to install custom ROMs, which come with lots of cool features and full unlocks).
The most advanced phones that currently support high-privilege homebrew apps are the Samsung gen2 phones (Focus S and Omnia W/Focus Flash). With them, you can use WindowBreak followed by WP7 Root Tools to get very nearly full unlock. The same goes for Samsung gen1. Any gen1 HTC phone will also work, as will the Verizon Trophy (although I see no reason to get a CDMA phone, even if it does also have GSM support, if you're on AT&T), but the unlock process may be a little harder. LG phones are also supported, and are very easy to unlock (built-in registry editor, LOL).
For custom ROMs, gen1 and gen1.5 HTC are supported, as are gen1 Samsung. If you like big screens and lots of built-in storage, the HTC HD7S is the best of these phones. If you like expandable storage and AMOLED screens, the Samsung Focus is the best bet.
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One thing to note: if you're used to the unlocakability of WinMo and Android, avoid the Lumias and Titans for now. Currently, there's no known interop-unlock hacks for them, which means no way to install high-privilege homebrew (or more than 10 homebrew apps at once) and no bootloader unlock (which means no way to install custom ROMs, which come with lots of cool features and full unlocks).
The most advanced phones that currently support high-privilege homebrew apps are the Samsung gen2 phones (Focus S and Omnia W/Focus Flash). With them, you can use WindowBreak followed by WP7 Root Tools to get very nearly full unlock. The same goes for Samsung gen1. Any gen1 HTC phone will also work, as will the Verizon Trophy (although I see no reason to get a CDMA phone, even if it does also have GSM support, if you're on AT&T), but the unlock process may be a little harder. LG phones are also supported, and are very easy to unlock (built-in registry editor, LOL).
For custom ROMs, gen1 and gen1.5 HTC are supported, as are gen1 Samsung. If you like big screens and lots of built-in storage, the HTC HD7S is the best of these phones. If you like expandable storage and AMOLED screens, the Samsung Focus is the best bet.
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I have an HTC Arrive on Sprint. Is it totally unhackable? I'd like to play around more with it but haven't heard much on XDA even if reviews on it have usually been good.
The Arrive is an HTC gen1.5 phone. It doesn't support the current Interop Unlock hacks, because it can't run Connection Setup (only GSM phones can). However, its bootloader can be unlocked, and you can then install custom ROMs with extra features and full unlocks.
Check the dev&hacking sub-forum for "HSPL" and you'll find the bootloader unlock. You then need to download a custom ROM, which should be available in the 7 Pro / "GOLD" section of the forum. Note that the Arrive is, I believe, internally called "Gold C"; don't try flashing a ROM for a standard 7 Pro as it won't work on the CDMA phone.
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The Arrive is an HTC gen1.5 phone. It doesn't support the current Interop Unlock hacks, because it can't run Connection Setup (only GSM phones can). However, its bootloader can be unlocked, and you can then install custom ROMs with extra features and full unlocks.
Check the dev&hacking sub-forum for "HSPL" and you'll find the bootloader unlock. You then need to download a custom ROM, which should be available in the 7 Pro / "GOLD" section of the forum. Note that the Arrive is, I believe, internally called "Gold C"; don't try flashing a ROM for a standard 7 Pro as it won't work on the CDMA phone.
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Thanks! I'll give that a shot. Hopefully I don't brick my phone somehow.
Read the instructions and warnings *very* carefully, but lots of other people have managed...
I've had an HTC Arrive on Sprint since it came out last March, it is a fantastic phone even if it is a 1st generation hardware device. I have also had a Samsung Focus on T-Mobile that I use as a backup device when I travel... the screen on it is amazing, the Focus S is even better.
I just ordered the Lumia 900 and am making the switch to AT&T, needless to say I obviously love WP7.
I would suggest the Lumia 710 if you can find in US.
In UK this is available for around £150 which makes it an excellent buy for people wanting to try WP7.
The Lumia 710 is available through T-Mobile in the US. If you live close to one, you can also find it in the Microsoft stores. TMo is generally very accommodating of getting a phone without a contract or possibly without a data plan (if you want that), something which can be difficult to do on other US carriers.
Go with the Nokia Lumia 710, its a brilliant device, and when it comes to windows phones the only real difference you are paying for is a few manufacturer apps and the physical hardware. I personally just picked up a 710 for $170 brand new! If you're looking for AT&T Bands you could buy a brand new one off of the Rogers Wireless site for $229.99 off contract. Definitely a good buy. Came with headphones too, couldn't say the same for my GS2 or my Amaze 4G.
Not to mention the Nokia Drive and Nokia Maps integration is fantastic and allows for the full downloading of continental maps for use in navigation without running up your data plan, all the while giving you unbelievable navigation.
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/samsun...d-features-att-and-verizon-models-wont-468357
Looks like the Note 3 will be my last Samsung phone
glad I left too..
Had no desire to root my note 4, and have no desire to root the 5. Besides for some bloat (that can mostly be disabled), I don't see a need for it.
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I won't buy a phone that cant' be rooted. I refuse to go back to having ads on the internet and deal with the samsung bloat.
Root, at least for the latest Generation of phones, in my personal opinion is a bit over rated. The phones run quite nicely, granted not the biggest fan of seeing Ads and the phones bloatware which I would love to strip out so I could recover some space. Still not the biggest deal breaker considering how well it works.
so, if your ATT was able to be rooted, are you saying you would not root it?
Package Disabler Pro app on Play Store will allow you to disable most apps and services.
Disabling the apps isn't the same as actually deleteing them. We all know that with root, when you debloat, the phone runs even smoother, more freed RAM and faster start ups. I hate not having root. I can live without an unlocked bootloader and having custom Kernels and ROMs but root is a need for me. I have so many root apps, xposed is always nice, Lucky Patcher is fun to have, DPI change is amazing for these big, high PPI displays and the main reason, debloat.
I'm sure the devs will figure something out. I have faith in them.
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http://www.idigitaltimes.com/samsun...d-features-att-and-verizon-models-wont-468357
Looks like the Note 3 will be my last Samsung phone
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I agree. Will be taking this one off the list of phones I might upgrade to. Due to trade in my g3. Shopping now. I think I should just wait and see the new nexus devices.
the note 4 on ATT is still unrootable....
Android is becoming the same as the iPhone cat and mouse game. People are afraid and want more secure phones so carriers are locking stuff down. I'm all for unlocked devices, in fact I still have my Nexus 6 also but I can only imagine how many devices a carrier or manufacturer get returned because someone that doesn't know what they are doing is returned. We see it all day long on xda. Get a Nexus and swap between a locked phone when you want stable. If you feel like messing around hack your Nexus.
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"Android" is becoming like Apple? Google/Android does nothing to lock down the phones. That is the manufactuers and more importantly carriers that request it. You want someone to blame for this? Blame AT&T. Even Samsung phones with Knox are rootable out of the box, it just throws a permanent flag so that they know if you try to warranty it. The carriers are to blame for the phones being locked down and no one else.
This will be the worst forum for a phone yet!
Anyone thought about putting up a bounty? I could care less about a custom recovery but I REALLY miss root. Enough to put a few bucks into a pot for anyone who figures it out.
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Anyone thought about putting up a bounty? I could care less about a custom recovery but I REALLY miss root. Enough to put a few bucks into a pot for anyone who figures it out.
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From what I understand we need firmware first with the "anti-root" buzzing around the phone would be disabled tell it came out making it almost pointless to try tell then. I got dm-variety verification failed and my phone wouldn't turn on just from a failed and upload from the sdk.
Such a useless thread.
Don't want it. Don't buy it.
Go fish for a one plus invite .
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This will be the worst forum for a phone yet!
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Nope the AT&T Note 4 forum has this beat....for now.
They have had a year to get it that way... Give this one some more time for the butthurt to settle in.
It is amazing how many tasker tasks I had that needed root... Oh well, it does have a nice camera...
I bought a international version in gold and couldn't be happier, no lock crap on it, flies on cricket which as we know is AT&T
Bought this phone. Now I am sad because no root. Maybe switch it with a LG G4.
It's been a few years since I've had an Android phone. All my past phones I've rooted, for various reasons. Most of them involved custom kernels, themes, and Cyanogenmod. What are some of the best reasons to root, and best reasons to stay stock?
If I root, I'll need to return my phone to Verizon and order one from Google, or wait and hope someone unlocks the bootloader. Either way I'm returning it for the 128GB version.
Thoughts?
The main reason I root my device is for Adaway so I can block ads with the HOSTS file at a global level (no ads in apps, yay!). Heck, I already have the bootloader unlocked, don't care if it breaks Android Pay (don't use it anyways other then to store my rewards cards information) and waiting for cf to work his magic on getting root working on this sexy device.
Down side of rooting is that you don't get the updates that gets pushed out unless you do it yourself (that and no Android Pay if that's something you use like I said above).
In terms of keeping the Verizon version or getting the Google Play version, if it was me, I'd get the Google Play version (which is what I did, second time I've gotten a phone outside of Verizon so they can't control my device). Although I'm sure after enough time someone could probably crack the bootloader but you never know.
I root for many reasons. Prominent among them is the ability to change the colors of the UI. White backgrounds are hard on my eyes and so over the years I have used CMTE, Layers, TBO, and now Substratum to change to darker backgrounds. Some apps have a dark mode you can use without root, but many do not. Root opens up a whole new dimension of customizations not only in appearance but also in performance.
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In terms of keeping the Verizon version or getting the Google Play version, if it was me, I'd get the Google Play version (which is what I did, second time I've gotten a phone outside of Verizon so they can't control my device). Although I'm sure after enough time someone could probably crack the bootloader but you never know.
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If I root, I'll need to return my phone to Verizon and order one from Google, or wait and hope someone unlocks the bootloader. Either way I'm returning it for the 128GB version.
Thoughts?
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I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?
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I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?
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Probably because of the discounted 2 year or monthly payment option. Some smart people still have smaller budgets or wives who wouldn't understand laying out $800 - $1000 to replace a phone just because you want to root. Those people hope someone will figure out a way to unlock and root. I've got the money but my wife would go ballistic
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With all due respect, buying a google phone without rooting and tinkering with it is like going to michelin starred restaurant to pay $100 for a glass of water. Oh, and my reasons are the freedom of customizability and custom kernels, custom kernels can make your phone twice as fast with even better battery life if done right.
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I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?
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I didn't got it through Verizon. I said I got it through the Google Store (thus the outside of Verizon part). Screw getting phones through Verizon. Hate that they forced locked down bootloader's.
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With all due respect, buying a google phone without rooting and tikering with it is like going to michelin starred restaurant to pay $100 for a glass of water. Oh, and my reasons are the freedom of customizability and custom kernels, custom kernels can make your phone twice as fast with even better battery life if done right.
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That was true with Nexus phones. The Pixel is being marketed as something else entirely. I think we'll be hard pressed to see any real gains from devs here. Google is putting a lot of work into these phones. I trust the minds at Google this time moreso than the devs on here.
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That was true with Nexus phones. The Pixel is being marketed as something else entirely. I think we'll be hard pressed to see any real gains from devs here. Google is putting a lot of work into these phones. I trust the minds at Google this time moreso than the devs on here.
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I'm not impressed with the "minds" at Google.
For me to pay that kind of price, I need, at least 5.75" screen, front stereo speakers, higher degree of water proofing. Also, to echo a famous quote : "White UIs must die!" And those bezels! Ugh!
Google assistant is nearly useless to those of us who prefer not to publicly audibilize our searches. So all I would gain would be a snappier OS and a first rate camera. Too many cons outweigh the pros. I wish Google and the sort of folks that they appear to be targeting all the best. I also hope there is much Dev activity for it.
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I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?
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Ease of access, availability, no need for an application for financing, the expectation that someone will crack the bootloader, buying in a no tax state.
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I'm not impressed with the "minds" at Google.
For me to pay that kind of price, I need, at least 5.75" screen, front stereo speakers, higher degree of water proofing. Also, to echo a famous quote : "White UIs must die!" And those bezels! Ugh!
Google assistant is nearly useless to those of us who prefer not to publicly audibilize our searches. So all I would gain would be a snappier OS and a first rate camera. Too many cons outweigh the pros. I wish Google and the sort of folks that they appear to be targeting all the best. I also hope there is much Dev activity for it.
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-I do wish the screen size was larger considering it has on-screen buttons, and that massive chin... no reason it couldn't have been 5.7" again.
-Stereo speakers would have been nice too. No idea why they couldn't copy the iPhone and HTC 10 considering the speakers are in the same position. Maybe a dev will actually make this happen if the earpiece is capable.
-I actually love the UI.
-Everyone hates the bezel. I think they did it to keep a larger battery in the phone, and to probably make it look like an iPhone to the masses.
-Google Assistant is great. I never really used voice commands much, but I have been forcing myself to use them more. They are incredibly quick, efficient, and convenient. No reason to not use them even in public dude. Who gives a damn what people think about your searches. You're never going to see the same people in public anyway.
The snappy OS and first rate camera are things that Android has absolutely needed in a phone. The Pixels bring the best of ALL the basics. And no phone has really done that with Android before. OEMs get too caught up in adding gimmicks and "features" and end up slowing down the phone, hampering basic usability (i.e. what we use our phones for 90+% of the time).
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-I do wish the screen size was larger considering it has on-screen buttons, and that massive chin... no reason it couldn't have been 5.7" again.
-Stereo speakers would have been nice too. No idea why they couldn't copy the iPhone and HTC 10 considering the speakers are in the same position. Maybe a dev will actually make this happen if the earpiece is capable.
-I actually love the UI.
-Everyone hates the bezel. I think they did it to keep a larger battery in the phone, and to probably make it look like an iPhone to the masses.
-Google Assistant is great. I never really used voice commands much, but I have been forcing myself to use them more. They are incredibly quick, efficient, and convenient. No reason to not use them even in public dude. Who gives a damn what people think about your searches. You're never going to see the same people in public anyway.
The snappy OS and first rate camera are things that Android has absolutely needed in a phone. The Pixels bring the best of ALL the basics. And no phone has really done that with Android before. OEMs get too caught up in adding gimmicks and "features" and end up slowing down the phone, hampering basic usability (i.e. what we use our phones for 90+% of the time).
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I do hope they tweak it later to allow typing to the assistant like Allo but I guess then it's not a whole lot different than typing in the search bar anyways.
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-I do wish the screen size was larger considering it has on-screen buttons, and that massive chin... no reason it couldn't have been 5.7" again.
-Stereo speakers would have been nice too. No idea why they couldn't copy the iPhone and HTC 10 considering the speakers are in the same position. Maybe a dev will actually make this happen if the earpiece is capable.
-I actually love the UI.
-Everyone hates the bezel. I think they did it to keep a larger battery in the phone, and to probably make it look like an iPhone to the masses.
-Google Assistant is great. I never really used voice commands much, but I have been forcing myself to use them more. They are incredibly quick, efficient, and convenient. No reason to not use them even in public dude. Who gives a damn what people think about your searches. You're never going to see the same people in public anyway.
The snappy OS and first rate camera are things that Android has absolutely needed in a phone. The Pixels bring the best of ALL the basics. And no phone has really done that with Android before. OEMs get too caught up in adding gimmicks and "features" and end up slowing down the phone, hampering basic usability (i.e. what we use our phones for 90+% of the time).
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Good points. I'm glad you trust the uncaring public. I, however, don't. I guess I am just slightly paranoid that way. Also there are many situations where it might disturb other folks to have me gabbing on my phone. Sure, assistant is neat but just not worth it to me. Still, I find myself checking on the availability of the 128gb model as if I am irresistibly drawn to it. My heart wants it but my head is saying no.
There's every reason to root, and only one reason to not root.
Reasons to root:
Kernel modifications to increase battery life. (Sure the Pixel can go 2 days easily on one charge, but why not make it 3?).
Filesystem access. The heart of any computer should at the very least give you filesystem access. It boggles the mind why phones won't give this option when this is a computer that you carry with you every day. Maybe you want to write your own apps, hide personal files somewhere outside of the visible directories like Downloads.
Breaking down barriers carriers put forth to limit you in a walled garden. Whatever it may be. Video codecs for example. Open source media servers that aren't approved on the app stores, I can go on and on.
Only reason to not root:
Android Pay. I absolutely love this ability. I personally think that you SHOULD be able to use this option while rooted. Using SU app, and encryption of your card should be enough to protect your card information. (Don't say it can't because it can.) Rooted apps cannot work unless you give them access via the SU app as added security, and even if they manage to grab your encrypted card information because you allowed some program you've never heard of root access and it steals your encrypted account information, it would take them 1 million years to brute force decrypt it if using a high enough encryption scheme on it. You can just change your virtual account on a whim, and do so ever 6 months, cancelling your old account in case it was ever grabbed making the old one null and void for the hacker if he does eventually get lucky and break it. Your account will never get owned if these practices were followed.
Blatently not allowing you choice to use something like android pay is big brother coddling you like a baby. I'm a grown ass man, and know how to secure my ****. If you don't know how to, then you shouldn't be doing it as your the reason Google puts these sort of restrictions on phones like mine.
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Probably because of the discounted 2 year or monthly payment option. Some smart people still have smaller budgets or wives who wouldn't understand laying out $800 - $1000 to replace a phone just because you want to root. Those people hope someone will figure out a way to unlock and root. I've got the money but my wife would go ballistic
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You are actually confusing me more. I checked both Verizon and Google Store's pricings and financing options and saw they are pretty much the same.
Verizon -- $0 Down (for qualified customers) $36.24/mo for 24 months; 0% APR Retail Price: $869.99 -- sim locked maybe?, and locked bootloader.
Google Store -- $869.00 or $36.21 / Month x 24 times, thru Google Store Financing -- sim free, and unlockable bootloader.
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I didn't got it through Verizon. I said I got it through the Google Store (thus the outside of Verizon part). Screw getting phones through Verizon. Hate that they forced locked down bootloader's.
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Exactly!:laugh:
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Ease of access, availability, no need for an application for financing, the expectation that someone will crack the bootloader, buying in a no tax state.
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nikitis said:
There's every reason to root, and only one reason to not root.
Reasons to root:
Kernel modifications to increase battery life. (Sure the Pixel can go 2 days easily on one charge, but why not make it 3?).
Filesystem access. The heart of any computer should at the very least give you filesystem access. It boggles the mind why phones won't give this option when this is a computer that you carry with you every day. Maybe you want to write your own apps, hide personal files somewhere outside of the visible directories like Downloads.
Breaking down barriers carriers put forth to limit you in a walled garden. Whatever it may be. Video codecs for example. Open source media servers that aren't approved on the app stores, I can go on and on.
Only reason to not root:
Android Pay. I absolutely love this ability. I personally think that you SHOULD be able to use this option while rooted. Using SU app, and encryption of your card should be enough to protect your card information. (Don't say it can't because it can.) Rooted apps cannot work unless you give them access via the SU app as added security, and even if they manage to grab your encrypted card information because you allowed some program you've never heard of root access and it steals your encrypted account information, it would take them 1 million years to brute force decrypt it if using a high enough encryption scheme on it. You can just change your virtual account on a whim, and do so ever 6 months, cancelling your old account in case it was ever grabbed making the old one null and void for the hacker if he does eventually get lucky and break it. Your account will never get owned if these practices were followed.
Blatently not allowing you choice to use something like android pay is big brother coddling you like a baby. I'm a grown ass man, and know how to secure my ****. If you don't know how to, then you shouldn't be doing it as your the reason Google puts these sort of restrictions on phones like mine.
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More reasons to root:
o backup and restore apk and data anytime.
o nandroid backup for ability to test things.
o custom roms for obvious reasons.
o exposed anyone?
o ability to upgrade to new os versions even after phone makers stopped supporting the devices.
o to satisfy the addictive urge to flash every week!
The SafetyNet is a great threat for most of us here. Some apps, including Android Pay, won't run anymore. If more apps start utilizing the system, we won't be able to enjoy our phones and everyone will be migrating to the Appleland:crying:
Is the pixel better in terms of not fighting the manufacturer to root the phone and rom it? Does it allow the built in call recording (like editing the xml file on a rooted galaxy?)
It's a Google phone, there is no fight rooting or roming or moding it. It's wide open. Hit the unlock slider, fastboot flash unlock. Done.
Verizon version is a bit different. So far no problem as long as you unlock it before it updates. That may change, but so far so good.
That's what I was hoping to hear.
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Is the pixel better in terms of not fighting the manufacturer to root the phone and rom it? Does it allow the built in call recording (like editing the xml file on a rooted galaxy?)
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It is the carrier that locks phones. Like Verizon. Both Samsung and Google leave their phones open by default.
Of course, you may lose some functionality on rooting. Like security features and pay systems.
Yea I don't care about pay systems, or the built in security. None of the card readers at the stores around here even do NFC devices. I always have my cards on me too. My biggest concern is being able to record phone calls automatically. I seriously hate how Verizon locks them down. Right now I have an S6 G920V on version QA3 I'm trying to figure out how to root and have no idea how to at this moment.
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Yea I don't care about pay systems, or the built in security. None of the card readers at the stores around here even do NFC devices. I always have my cards on me too. My biggest concern is being able to record phone calls automatically. I seriously hate how Verizon locks them down. Right now I have an S6 G920V on version QA3 I'm trying to figure out how to root and have no idea how to at this moment.
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Samsung Pay works with old magnetic card readers where you swipe your card, because they bought the company which developed a special magnetic sensing/beaming chip called MST.
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/answer/ANS00043865/
So it basically works everywhere except where you need to insert the card inside the machine like gas stations or ATMs. And it gives you points to redeem goodies from Samsung, like gift cards or their hardware.
I was really enjoying Samsung Pay when I had S6 Edge and Note 7. I didn't have to carry a wallet - just a case with a driver's license and a hundred dollar bill. I really miss it.
Now, Verizon is awful in Midwest, where I live. It's the most overpriced carrier with zero benefits to back up their high prices. I switched from Note 7 on US Cellular prepaid, where I was paying $37 per month, to Pixel XL on Project FI, where I'm now paying $25 per month. Aside from a few simple quirks, I think FI is perfect for a low data user such as myself. Stay away from Verizon.
As far as rooting Verizon devices... I think you may be SOL. It varies depending on the device/software version, but usually they are locked pretty tight.
The Pixel is a much better choice simply based on the development efforts and the quicker updates from Google, which helps developers get their custom firmwares out much faster with the newest features.
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The Pixel is a much better choice simply based on the development efforts and the quicker updates from Google, which helps developers get their custom firmwares out much faster with the newest features.
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7.1.1 Broke Bluetooth functionality. It seems like every single update in the beginning of an update cycle only introduces more bugs. It is a common theme and trend in modern technology. Another trend in technology, most bugs get fixed after about a year. But this phone become obsolete after 6 months.
We, the consumers, cannot win - technology companies release buggy products because they can, and they love quick and flashy profits, Quality Assurance seems to be taking a back seat to corporate profits. Because we, the consumers, seem to buy anything to please us in these times.
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7.1.1 Broke Bluetooth functionality. It seems like every single update in the beginning of an update cycle only introduces more bugs. It is a common theme and trend in modern technology. Another trend in technology, most bugs get fixed after about a year. But this phone become obsolete after 6 months.
We, the consumers, cannot win - technology companies release buggy products because they can, and they love quick and flashy profits, Quality Assurance seems to be taking a back seat to corporate profits. Because we, the consumers, seem to buy anything to please us in these times.
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Bluetooth is working fine on my phone. In fact, I'm not experiencing any problems on my phone. I am on the latest build of DU 11.1 based on NOF26V.
And I'm not sure how you are coming to the conclusion that this model will be obsolete in 6 months. It has OS updates guaranteed all the way through Android P...
Regardless of all that, I still think it is vastly better to develop for a phone that is getting constant updates from the manufacturer (Google) rather than one that is typically behind (Samsung).
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Is the pixel better in terms of not fighting the manufacturer to root the phone and rom it? Does it allow the built in call recording (like editing the xml file on a rooted galaxy?)
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Infinitely better. I loved my S7 while I had it, but the root method was so terrible and caused lag, heat, and poor battery life regardless of any "fix" for it. It's a shame because I loved the phone and would NOT have switched if it weren't for those issues listed. Needless to say, I NEED root on my phone and I wasn't willing to give up any of those things to get it. The root method for this phone is far better and gives me the freedom I want with MY phone. The constant on time updates, and general smoothness of the phone help as well
With that being said, I would not be against giving Samsung another try. I love their phones, but I don't care for their locked bootloaders. If the S8 comes with a developer edition or root is easily achieved I'd have no issues going back. I'd also have no issue staying with future Pixel phones. :good:
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Infinitely better. I loved my S7 while I had it, but the root method was so terrible and caused lag, heat, and poor battery life regardless of any "fix" for it. It's a shame because I loved the phone and would NOT have switched if it weren't for those issues listed. Needless to say, I NEED root on my phone and I wasn't willing to give up any of those things to get it. The root method for this phone is far better and gives me the freedom I want with MY phone. The constant on time updates, and general smoothness of the phone help as well
With that being said, I would not be against giving Samsung another try. I love their phones, but I don't care for their locked bootloaders. If the S8 comes with a developer edition or root is easily achieved I'd have no issues going back. I'd also have no issue staying with future Pixel phones. :good:
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This post makes no sense. How can "root method" cause the following quote - "root method was so terrible and caused lag, heat, and poor battery life regardless of any "fix" for it."
Is the user literally regarded as genius?
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This post makes no sense. How can "root method" cause the following quote - "root method was so terrible and caused lag, heat, and poor battery life regardless of any "fix" for it."
Is the user literally regarded as genius?
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Uh, are you serious? Go look at the s7 forums and then talk, until then let the men talk.
JAYNO20 said:
Uh, are you serious? Go look at the s7 forums and then talk, until then let the men talk.
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Are you literally blessed?
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Are you literally blessed?
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Are you literally a troll?
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Are you literally a troll?
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I really give up now. People can be what they choose to be!
Freedom!
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JAYNO20 said:
Infinitely better. I loved my S7 while I had it, but the root method was so terrible and caused lag, heat, and poor battery life regardless of any "fix" for it. It's a shame because I loved the phone and would NOT have switched if it weren't for those issues listed. Needless to say, I NEED root on my phone and I wasn't willing to give up any of those things to get it. The root method for this phone is far better and gives me the freedom I want with MY phone. The constant on time updates, and general smoothness of the phone help as well
With that being said, I would not be against giving Samsung another try. I love their phones, but I don't care for their locked bootloaders. If the S8 comes with a developer edition or root is easily achieved I'd have no issues going back. I'd also have no issue staying with future Pixel phones. :good:
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This post makes no sense. How can "root method" cause the following quote - "root method was so terrible and caused lag, heat, and poor battery life regardless of any "fix" for it."
Is the user literally regarded as genius?
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Just so you guys understand why the root method for the S7 caused those issues...
In order to root the S7, you needed to flash a developer kernel. This is allowed even with the locked bootloader of the S7 since it is signed and accepted by the bootloader.
As we all know, a kernel can cause a lot of issues with the phone, and that is exactly what happened with the S7. That kernel was not tweaked properly and especially not for real-world usage. But it did allow us to root the phone, so it was a sacrifice (in my opinion).
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Just so you guys understand why the root method for the S7 caused those issues...
In order to root the S7, you needed to flash a developer kernel. This is allowed even with the locked bootloader of the S7 since it is signed and accepted by the bootloader.
As we all know, a kernel can cause a lot of issues with the phone, and that is exactly what happened with the S7. That kernel was not tweaked properly and especially not for real-world usage. But it did allow us to root the phone, so it was a sacrifice (in my opinion).
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I understood that just fine. It was all the issues caused by root that made me jump ship to the Pixel. As for the other guy (who obviously didn't understand the problems that root caused) I can't say for sure what his issue was. Just trying to help the OP with his decision through my experience with both devices.
I agree with what most people here are saying, I used to have a Galaxy S7 Edge, I loved everything about it, except for the locked bootloader. As previously mentioned it could be rooted, but there just weren't many roms out there and there was also a slight lag and poor battery life that occured after flashing the engineer boot. I just missed being able to customize it as much as I could all my old HTC devices. I switched the the Pixel XL 3 weeks ago rooted it day 1 and haven't missed the S7 Edge once
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I agree with what most people here are saying, I used to have a Galaxy S7 Edge, I loved everything about it, except for the locked bootloader. As previously mentioned it could be rooted, but there just weren't many roms out there and there was also a slight lag and poor battery life that occured after flashing the engineer boot. I just missed being able to customize it as much as I could all my old HTC devices. I switched the the Pixel XL 3 weeks ago rooted it day 1 and haven't missed the S7 Edge once
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I came from an S7 Edge as well. It was an excellent phone if you didn't require root access. But I like to customize. I had it for 7 months the went to the Pixel XL.