I had Window's phone for a long time and went to Android a few years back. Part of me still wants to play with a Window's phone. I can not renew for another year. For the first time I am thinking of buying a used phone.
I just can not spend a lot of a phone. I am wondering what is a good entry level used phone for a Window's phone?
Thanks for any help.
Any HTC. Samsungs have problems with proximity sensor, it keeps freezing and you need to remove the battery to reset.
Seriously, if you can, buy a Lumia. I had a HTC Trophy 7 since January/2011, and bought a Lumia 800 last month. (before WP, I had an Android, and was the best thing I've done)
Never had LG, but LG is not the core of smartphones, so I wouldnt risk.
I've gone from iOS (back in '09) to Windows Mobile to Android to Windows phone and in a week or two I'll be back to Android. You say you've had a windows phone before, so I assume you know the advantages and disadvantages. For low end, just about any Windows phone is preferable (since they all perform generally well). But the high end phone it becomes arguable (Lumia 900 vs Galaxy Nexus for example). But I digress.
Within wp7 the two top seem to be the Lumia series and the titans (I & II). I agree with mikeeam, if you can then get a Lumia. I have an 800 right now and it's definitely has some of the best external hardware (casing, build etc) I've ever had on a device. The only reason I'm getting rid of mine is because I've gotten too accustomed to the Google benefits (had a Galaxy Nexus....lost it on a vacation).
If the 800 is too much for you, the 710 seems pretty good too (if you're on tmobile). Honestly, I'd just wait a month or so. With the 900 coming out, the 800 should decrease in price as there'll be less of a demand for it.
Nokia Lumia 710
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veener79 said:
I had Window's phone for a long time and went to Android a few years back. Part of me still wants to play with a Window's phone. I can not renew for another year. For the first time I am thinking of buying a used phone.
I just can not spend a lot of a phone. I am wondering what is a good entry level used phone for a Window's phone?
Thanks for any help.
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I got out of the contract game and have not look back since. Last year I bought a use LG Quantum because i like to have a keyboard and have been happy with it.
Well, he did say he's on a budget,so I'd recommend a HTC HD 2 , simply as it can run both OS 's and has a reasonable spec. Also I guess its worth mentioning it has a large Dev community.
But as said before if you can afford it get a HTC Titan / HTC sensation XL for examctly the same reasons as said before, just see how far your budget can stretch
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Well, he did say he's on a budget,so I'd recommend a HTC HD 2 , simply as it can run both OS 's and has a reasonable spec. Also I guess its worth mentioning it has a large Dev community.
But as said before if you can afford it get a HTC Titan / HTC sensation XL for examctly the same reasons as said before, just see how far your budget can stretch
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Yeah, and be stuck with Android 2.x and Windows Phone Mango forever? I wouldnt take that.
Anyway, OS gets at the taste. Some prefer iOS, other Android, me WP. Having tried all of them. So is hard to recommend and not be biased.
Samsung Focus.
Its an AT&T phone, so if you aren't on AT&T then I retract. But for used phones, thats the best bang for your buck you can get. Screen is great, performance is fluid, call quality is good, and never had any issues with proximity sensors ect.
I am on ATT. Thank you so much for all the Idea's so far.
HTC HD7S should be able to find one on eBay for around $200
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I am on ATT. Thank you so much for all the Idea's so far.
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If you can live with a Contract with AT&T... The Lumina 900 (the claimed Flagship WP7 device as if right now) will be $99 with a 2 year.... around the 9th, not even out yet.
Very sexy phone tho....
One thing to note: if you're used to the unlocakability of WinMo and Android, avoid the Lumias and Titans for now. Currently, there's no known interop-unlock hacks for them, which means no way to install high-privilege homebrew (or more than 10 homebrew apps at once) and no bootloader unlock (which means no way to install custom ROMs, which come with lots of cool features and full unlocks).
The most advanced phones that currently support high-privilege homebrew apps are the Samsung gen2 phones (Focus S and Omnia W/Focus Flash). With them, you can use WindowBreak followed by WP7 Root Tools to get very nearly full unlock. The same goes for Samsung gen1. Any gen1 HTC phone will also work, as will the Verizon Trophy (although I see no reason to get a CDMA phone, even if it does also have GSM support, if you're on AT&T), but the unlock process may be a little harder. LG phones are also supported, and are very easy to unlock (built-in registry editor, LOL).
For custom ROMs, gen1 and gen1.5 HTC are supported, as are gen1 Samsung. If you like big screens and lots of built-in storage, the HTC HD7S is the best of these phones. If you like expandable storage and AMOLED screens, the Samsung Focus is the best bet.
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One thing to note: if you're used to the unlocakability of WinMo and Android, avoid the Lumias and Titans for now. Currently, there's no known interop-unlock hacks for them, which means no way to install high-privilege homebrew (or more than 10 homebrew apps at once) and no bootloader unlock (which means no way to install custom ROMs, which come with lots of cool features and full unlocks).
The most advanced phones that currently support high-privilege homebrew apps are the Samsung gen2 phones (Focus S and Omnia W/Focus Flash). With them, you can use WindowBreak followed by WP7 Root Tools to get very nearly full unlock. The same goes for Samsung gen1. Any gen1 HTC phone will also work, as will the Verizon Trophy (although I see no reason to get a CDMA phone, even if it does also have GSM support, if you're on AT&T), but the unlock process may be a little harder. LG phones are also supported, and are very easy to unlock (built-in registry editor, LOL).
For custom ROMs, gen1 and gen1.5 HTC are supported, as are gen1 Samsung. If you like big screens and lots of built-in storage, the HTC HD7S is the best of these phones. If you like expandable storage and AMOLED screens, the Samsung Focus is the best bet.
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I have an HTC Arrive on Sprint. Is it totally unhackable? I'd like to play around more with it but haven't heard much on XDA even if reviews on it have usually been good.
The Arrive is an HTC gen1.5 phone. It doesn't support the current Interop Unlock hacks, because it can't run Connection Setup (only GSM phones can). However, its bootloader can be unlocked, and you can then install custom ROMs with extra features and full unlocks.
Check the dev&hacking sub-forum for "HSPL" and you'll find the bootloader unlock. You then need to download a custom ROM, which should be available in the 7 Pro / "GOLD" section of the forum. Note that the Arrive is, I believe, internally called "Gold C"; don't try flashing a ROM for a standard 7 Pro as it won't work on the CDMA phone.
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The Arrive is an HTC gen1.5 phone. It doesn't support the current Interop Unlock hacks, because it can't run Connection Setup (only GSM phones can). However, its bootloader can be unlocked, and you can then install custom ROMs with extra features and full unlocks.
Check the dev&hacking sub-forum for "HSPL" and you'll find the bootloader unlock. You then need to download a custom ROM, which should be available in the 7 Pro / "GOLD" section of the forum. Note that the Arrive is, I believe, internally called "Gold C"; don't try flashing a ROM for a standard 7 Pro as it won't work on the CDMA phone.
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Thanks! I'll give that a shot. Hopefully I don't brick my phone somehow.
Read the instructions and warnings *very* carefully, but lots of other people have managed...
I've had an HTC Arrive on Sprint since it came out last March, it is a fantastic phone even if it is a 1st generation hardware device. I have also had a Samsung Focus on T-Mobile that I use as a backup device when I travel... the screen on it is amazing, the Focus S is even better.
I just ordered the Lumia 900 and am making the switch to AT&T, needless to say I obviously love WP7.
I would suggest the Lumia 710 if you can find in US.
In UK this is available for around £150 which makes it an excellent buy for people wanting to try WP7.
The Lumia 710 is available through T-Mobile in the US. If you live close to one, you can also find it in the Microsoft stores. TMo is generally very accommodating of getting a phone without a contract or possibly without a data plan (if you want that), something which can be difficult to do on other US carriers.
Go with the Nokia Lumia 710, its a brilliant device, and when it comes to windows phones the only real difference you are paying for is a few manufacturer apps and the physical hardware. I personally just picked up a 710 for $170 brand new! If you're looking for AT&T Bands you could buy a brand new one off of the Rogers Wireless site for $229.99 off contract. Definitely a good buy. Came with headphones too, couldn't say the same for my GS2 or my Amaze 4G.
Not to mention the Nokia Drive and Nokia Maps integration is fantastic and allows for the full downloading of continental maps for use in navigation without running up your data plan, all the while giving you unbelievable navigation.
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I had been eagerly following WP7 news in the run up to release, and despite there being several areas that narked me, I really liked the look of it. Anyway, those areas that were/are a problem will no doubt get dealt with in future updates.
So, I am now pretty much at the end of my current contract and was getting quite excited about the prospect of getting a shiny new WP7. I have been into the O2 shop with my wife to have a play with the HD7 (they are the only shop that have real working handsets for you to try). We BOTH love it. And by it, I mean both the WP7 OS and the device itself. This is where the problems begin... network exclusivity.
O2 have the HD7 (16GB).
Orange have the HTC Mozart (8GB)
Vodaphone have the HTC Trophy (8GB)
and I believe that the Samsung Omnia 7 (8GB) & LG Optimus 7 (8GB) are available on various networks.
I have had HTC Windows based phones since the original SPV. I both really like & trust HTC devices. The Samsung looks and feels cheap & tacky. The LG is just plain ugly. The HTC Trophy & Mozart only have 8GB storage and are both too small for what we want. So the only option for us is the HD7 and we both love it!!!
So, no problem then? Think again. O2 exclusivity is the problem. I cannot use either O2 or Vodafone as both networks have sub-standard coverage where I live. To the extent where it is a real no go. On top of that, as there is no competition for this handset, O2 just do not offer a good tariff/ handset price deal. I will not spend over £35 a month, but may consider spending a bit (but not a small fortune) on the handset. I must also have reasonable data allowance. In fact, WP7 demands this too. 500MB? Just doesn't cut it anymore.
Long story short, as a result I now have to turn to Android and the HTC Desire HD, which is available from all networks on some really competitive deals. This is a real blow considering how much I have been looking forward to WP7.
I just hope that there aren't hundreds of thousands of other people who have had to make the same decision. I hope that a couple of years down the line that WP7 is going strong & that there will be a good variety of handsets available on all networks, so as to give the consumer real choice, and to allow me to finally get the WP7 handset I want on the network of my choice.
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I had been eagerly following WP7 news in the run up to release, and despite there being several areas that narked me, I really liked the look of it. Anyway, those areas that were/are a problem will no doubt get dealt with in future updates.
So, I am now pretty much at the end of my current contract and was getting quite excited about the prospect of getting a shiny new WP7. I have been into the O2 shop with my wife to have a play with the HD7 (they are the only shop that have real working handsets for you to try). We BOTH love it. And by it, I mean both the WP7 OS and the device itself. This is where the problems begin... network exclusivity.
O2 have the HD7 (16GB).
Orange have the HTC Mozart (8GB)
Vodaphone have the HTC Trophy (8GB)
and I believe that the Samsung Omnia 7 (8GB) & LG Optimus 7 (8GB) are available on various networks.
I have had HTC Windows based phones since the original SPV. I both really like & trust HTC devices. The Samsung looks and feels cheap & tacky. The LG is just plain ugly. The HTC Trophy & Mozart only have 8GB storage and are both too small for what we want. So the only option for us is the HD7 and we both love it!!!
So, no problem then? Think again. O2 exclusivity is the problem. I cannot use either O2 or Vodafone as both networks have sub-standard coverage where I live. To the extent where it is a real no go. On top of that, as there is no competition for this handset, O2 just do not offer a good tariff/ handset price deal. I will not spend over £35 a month, but may consider spending a bit (but not a small fortune) on the handset. I must also have reasonable data allowance. In fact, WP7 demands this too. 500MB? Just doesn't cut it anymore.
Long story short, as a result I now have to turn to Android and the HTC Desire HD, which is available from all networks on some really competitive deals. This is a real blow considering how much I have been looking forward to WP7.
I just hope that there aren't hundreds of thousands of other people who have had to make the same decision. I hope that a couple of years down the line that WP7 is going strong & that there will be a good variety of handsets available on all networks, so as to give the consumer real choice, and to allow me to finally get the WP7 handset I want on the network of my choice.
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Actually, from my experience with DesireHD on my HD2, I would say you are coming out of it on top by going with the DesireHD. This is an Android version like no other. It's gorgeous and offers excellent customization features like the skins and such. Plus the actual DesireHD hardware is also purely gorgeous.
You may think you are losing by not being able to go with WP7, but I see it the other way. You get so many features with DesireHD that WP7 doesn't have. And if the actual DesireHD UI is anything like the HD2 DesireHD ROM, the UI is silky smooth and a luscious. It's as smooth as WP7.
I know this is not what you want to hear but the HD7 is only £360 on Pay&Go I bought it on pay & go and now use my T-Mobile sim in it.
You'd be looking at a £30 a month contract anyway so that's the equivalent of 1 year so you'd save £360 which can be used to get a cheap sim only deal.
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Actually, from my experience with DesireHD on my HD2, I would say you are coming out of it on top by going with the DesireHD. This is an Android version like no other. It's gorgeous and offers excellent customization features like the skins and such. Plus the actual DesireHD hardware is also purely gorgeous.
You may think you are losing by not being able to go with WP7, but I see it the other way. You get so many features with DesireHD that WP7 doesn't have. And if the actual DesireHD UI is anything like the HD2 DesireHD ROM, the UI is silky smooth and a luscious. It's as smooth as WP7.
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No... it isn't. Don't get me wrong though, the Desire HD is a very capable phone and with Sense 2.5 it provides what I think is the best Android experience but it isn't quite as smooth as WP7 or iOS yet.
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No... it isn't. Don't get me wrong though, the Desire HD is a very capable phone and with Sense 2.5 it provides what I think is the best Android experience but it isn't quite as smooth as WP7 or iOS yet.
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Like I said, I don't know about the actual DesireHD, but my HD2 with DesireHD is. And I do have an HD7 to compare it to.
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Actually, from my experience with DesireHD on my HD2, I would say you are coming out of it on top by going with the DesireHD. This is an Android version like no other. It's gorgeous and offers excellent customization features like the skins and such. Plus the actual DesireHD hardware is also purely gorgeous.
You may think you are losing by not being able to go with WP7, but I see it the other way. You get so many features with DesireHD that WP7 doesn't have. And if the actual DesireHD UI is anything like the HD2 DesireHD ROM, the UI is silky smooth and a luscious. It's as smooth as WP7.
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TBH, I have been keeping an eye on what's happening with Android too. You know, just in case WP7 completely failed. I understand it is better for customisation (which I am used to on WM). However, I get the feeling that with WP7 I wouldn't feel the need to customise beyond wallpaper & ringtone. It looks like it just works so well.
I realise how similar the hardware of the HD7 & Desire HD are, hence why this seems to be the sensible alternative. The DHD even has some advantage, such as Alu-body & SLCD screen.
It seems that (unless you are loaded) there always has to be compromise. In this case:
- Handset/hardware
- Network (and therefore service)
- O/S
And unfortunately it seems that O/S is the one to give. Although, as you said, I am sure it won't be a disappointing experience.
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I know this is not what you want to hear but the HD7 is only £360 on Pay&Go I bought it on pay & go and now use my T-Mobile sim in it.
You'd be looking at a £30 a month contract anyway so that's the equivalent of 1 year so you'd save £360 which can be used to get a cheap sim only deal.
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I had considered this...
but only for a couple of seconds.
Unfortunately I do not have the £700+ needed to buy one for me & one for the wife outright. Hence why there always has to be compromise somewhere.
paperclips said:
No... it isn't. Don't get me wrong though, the Desire HD is a very capable phone and with Sense 2.5 it provides what I think is the best Android experience but it isn't quite as smooth as WP7 or iOS yet.
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Perhaps what it needs is a custom ROM to get the best experience? But, despite not having any experience, I certainly feel that HTC are doing some good stuff with Android. Just as they did with WM. It is a shame though, 'cos the short while I spent playing with WP7 was pretty amazing.
Damned network exclusives! That's exactly why I ended up back on Orange (for the original HTC Touch HD).
SilentBob said:
I had considered this...
but only for a couple of seconds.
Unfortunately I do not have the £700+ needed to buy one for me & one for the wife outright. Hence why there always has to be compromise somewhere.
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Another option is the HTC Mozart. Like the HD7, the SD Card in the Mozart can be replaced.
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Another option is the HTC Mozart. Like the HD7, the SD Card in the Mozart can be replaced.
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Yeah, I have looked at that. It is good looking & very well built, but...
- After trying out the HD7, the screen just seems too small (hard to think that 2.8" was the norm just a couple of years back).
- The storage upgrade would immediately invalidate the warranty.
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Yeah, I have looked at that. It is good looking & very well built, but...
- After trying out the HD7, the screen just seems too small (hard to think that 2.8" was the norm just a couple of years back).
- The storage upgrade would immediately invalidate the warranty.
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I would assume it is possible, albeit tricky, to do it without voiding the warranty. If it broke you'd just pop back the original SD card in.
It does suck, there should be more with 16gb storage or even 32gb. The Samsung Omnia 7 is an awesome phone btw and far better than any of the HTCs (although it's 8gb anyway).
I don't know what else to suggest though when is your contract up? If it's not for a while you could wait a bit for the Dell Venue Pro. 4" screen, Micro SD Card slot, Gorilla Glass. Shouldn't be too long for that.
Edit: Turns out you don't have to wait, buymobilephones has it http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/Dell/Dell-Venue-Pro/108,56273
I would seriously consider getting that phone, I wanted it but it was delayed so just went with the HD7
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I don't know what else to suggest though when is your contract up? If it's not for a while you could wait a bit for the Dell Venue Pro. 4" screen, Micro SD Card slot, Gorilla Glass. Shouldn't be too long for that.
Edit: Turns out you don't have to wait, buymobilephones has it http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/Dell/Dell-Venue-Pro/108,56273
I would seriously consider getting that phone, I wanted it but it was delayed so just went with the HD7
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Now that is interesting! I do really like the look of that phone. It would be nice if I could see it in person somewhere, as I am concerned that it could be a bit chunky. But it is certainly classy looking. May have to see if I can track one down somewhere so I can size it up.
Being limited by carrier coverage and subsidies is a pretty lousy situation, but all we can do about it is make the best of it. Due to the coverage where I live, I've signed my life away to AT&T, and thus was able to get the Samsung Focus, which I enjoy very much. If I had the option, though, I think that I'd have held out for the Venue Pro. +0.1" on the screen and a physical keyboard? Yes, please.
Either way, best of luck on your hunt!
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Now that is interesting! I do really like the look of that phone. It would be nice if I could see it in person somewhere, as I am concerned that it could be a bit chunky. But it is certainly classy looking. May have to see if I can track one down somewhere so I can size it up.
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I don't think you will find one, Dell released the Venue Pro via Dell.com, buymobilephones obviously bought a bulk of these and is selling them with contracts.
My best advice to you would be to phone BuyMobilePhones and talk about their cancellation policy. I'm fairly sure they need to give 14 days to return the device under far distance regulations, confirm this with them. Then, go and order the phone. Use it, see what you think and if it's for you.
If not, send it back and cancel the contract. Although, I'm fairly certain you will have found your new phone
Edit: Also, if you're willing to consider o2, they have a pretty good deal on the HD7, compared to o2's contracts anyway:
http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/HTC/HTC-HD7/O2/O2-25-(24mths)-Free-Internet/7479785
I've used this site before and didn't have any problems btw.
SilentBob said:
I had been eagerly following WP7 news in the run up to release, and despite there being several areas that narked me, I really liked the look of it. Anyway, those areas that were/are a problem will no doubt get dealt with in future updates.
So, I am now pretty much at the end of my current contract and was getting quite excited about the prospect of getting a shiny new WP7. I have been into the O2 shop with my wife to have a play with the HD7 (they are the only shop that have real working handsets for you to try). We BOTH love it. And by it, I mean both the WP7 OS and the device itself. This is where the problems begin... network exclusivity.
O2 have the HD7 (16GB).
Orange have the HTC Mozart (8GB)
Vodaphone have the HTC Trophy (8GB)
and I believe that the Samsung Omnia 7 (8GB) & LG Optimus 7 (8GB) are available on various networks.
I have had HTC Windows based phones since the original SPV. I both really like & trust HTC devices. The Samsung looks and feels cheap & tacky. The LG is just plain ugly. The HTC Trophy & Mozart only have 8GB storage and are both too small for what we want. So the only option for us is the HD7 and we both love it!!!
So, no problem then? Think again. O2 exclusivity is the problem. I cannot use either O2 or Vodafone as both networks have sub-standard coverage where I live. To the extent where it is a real no go. On top of that, as there is no competition for this handset, O2 just do not offer a good tariff/ handset price deal. I will not spend over £35 a month, but may consider spending a bit (but not a small fortune) on the handset. I must also have reasonable data allowance. In fact, WP7 demands this too. 500MB? Just doesn't cut it anymore.
Long story short, as a result I now have to turn to Android and the HTC Desire HD, which is available from all networks on some really competitive deals. This is a real blow considering how much I have been looking forward to WP7.
I just hope that there aren't hundreds of thousands of other people who have had to make the same decision. I hope that a couple of years down the line that WP7 is going strong & that there will be a good variety of handsets available on all networks, so as to give the consumer real choice, and to allow me to finally get the WP7 handset I want on the network of my choice.
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if android is an option, I'd wait a couple more months. Lots of android devices being released with tegra 2 processors that should finally smooth android out (maybe).
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Like I said, I don't know about the actual DesireHD, but my HD2 with DesireHD is. And I do have an HD7 to compare it to.
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It jas worse hardware than a desire hd and I installed the nand android yesterday to try it out. No, doesnt even compare. And it still had a crappy battery.
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I currently have a MT4G with tmobile (and I like the phone...)...but I have wanted a WP7 phone since they came out, but I cannot justify spending 300$ on one .... so I was thinking 'should I get an HD2 and put WP7 on it?' but then I felt that it would be buggy and such and I would like a smooth wp7 experience...
so my question is, what options are there for me (I cannot use an upgrade, I am stuck with tmobile so I need one compatible with them [I guess, right?])...?
Thanks for your advice and help...
erebusting said:
I currently have a MT4G with tmobile (and I like the phone...)...but I have wanted a WP7 phone since they came out, but I cannot justify spending 300$ on one .... so I was thinking 'should I get an HD2 and put WP7 on it?' but then I felt that it would be buggy and such and I would like a smooth wp7 experience...
so my question is, what options are there for me (I cannot use an upgrade, I am stuck with tmobile so I need one compatible with them [I guess, right?])...?
Thanks for your advice and help...
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You are better off staying with a real WP7 device. The HD2, as good a device as it is, can't provide the whole WP7 experience permanently. You'll have to perjure yourself to get a key from MS to use the main features of WP7. And then, after each update...if the updates actually start coming...you'll have to do it all over again and likely MS will nullify the ability to use their keys.
If you start buying apps with a fake WP7, you might lose them later on. Buy an HD7 from T-Mobile or go to AT&T and snag a Focus. You won't regret it once the updates start happening...if ever. WP7 is a super smooth, super clean experience.
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I currently have a MT4G with tmobile (and I like the phone...)...but I have wanted a WP7 phone since they came out, but I cannot justify spending 300$ on one .... so I was thinking 'should I get an HD2 and put WP7 on it?' but then I felt that it would be buggy and such and I would like a smooth wp7 experience...
so my question is, what options are there for me (I cannot use an upgrade, I am stuck with tmobile so I need one compatible with them [I guess, right?])...?
Thanks for your advice and help...
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You can try other stores besides the retail store to see if their flexiable with the upgrade period. Wirefly, Amazon, Best Buy, Walmart, Radio Shack, Etc.
You could ask for the factory unlock from T-Mobile. Unlock the MT4G, sell it on Craiglist and use the money to buy the HD7.
You can also go on a payment plan with them and give them $15 bucks a month until you have the money to pay for a new phone.
I'm doing that right now with my HD7, but only because I have the sneaking suspicion some new phones are going to come out to blow the current crop out of the water.
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You could ask for the factory unlock from T-Mobile. Unlock the MT4G, sell it on Craiglist and use the money to buy the HD7.
You can also go on a payment plan with them and give them $15 bucks a month until you have the money to pay for a new phone.
I'm doing that right now with my HD7, but only because I have the sneaking suspicion some new phones are going to come out to blow the current crop out of the water.
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Which is exactly why I'm saving money for one of them. These current gen phones will be "Kin'd" before too long and the good hardware will move it.
erebusting said:
I currently have a MT4G with tmobile (and I like the phone...)...but I have wanted a WP7 phone since they came out, but I cannot justify spending 300$ on one .... so I was thinking 'should I get an HD2 and put WP7 on it?' but then I felt that it would be buggy and such and I would like a smooth wp7 experience...
so my question is, what options are there for me (I cannot use an upgrade, I am stuck with tmobile so I need one compatible with them [I guess, right?])...?
Thanks for your advice and help...
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Sell your MT4g on ebay and buy the HD7 there also. Even a used MT4g is only a little cheaper than a new HD7. A lot of people are willing to trade on craigslist also.
I really don't know why you guys complain that much. In Brazil I just bought a WP7 (unsupported here yet). And I paid R$ 1.400,00. That is something about U$ 850,00.
My iPhone 4 I've paid R$ 1.800,00. Or U$ 1.125,00.
And yes, If i were you, I would buy a WP7 in a blink.
mikeeam said:
I really don't know why you guys complain that much. In Brazil I just bought a WP7 (unsupported here yet). And I paid R$ 1.400,00. That is something about U$ 850,00.
My iPhone 4 I've paid R$ 1.800,00. Or U$ 1.125,00.
And yes, If i were you, I would buy a WP7 in a blink.
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Well you have to understand, there ARE differences in economy so over here we have different options on pricing....doesn't mean that just because it costs wayy more in other locations that we should be buying them like crazy over here.... we have to think about things like that (at least I do, especially since I am not rich [yet ])...
So I am thinking of possibly getting a samsung focus (but the 3g would not work with tmobile...right?)...or the HD7... but like 'likki' said, phones are continuously upgrading so saving 15-20$ extra a month sounds pretty practical because by the time it is saved up I may not even want to get another phone (haha) or there will be better options out there....
Have you ever tried out a HD7? I think it is too big. The Trophy 7 have a perfect size screen. Not too big, nor too small.
Maybe you should try. I wouldn't buy a Samsung because of the update issues (yeah, they may have fixed, still, it was the only one with problem. I wouldn't risk).
Don't worry about the next season of WP7 handsets. Probably they don't need anything beyond our 1 GHz processor. Not for now. And I think this should last for 2 years of software updates until they need to update the hardware too.
I don't know about US 3G network. But, at least here, my Trophy works with every carrier.
And I liked the "yet" hahahah. That's the spirit! Hell yeah!
any advice? should I get an htc surround and be happy with Edge on tmobile or something? (since it may be cheaper than an HD7 ? idk)
Try ebay...
I got my HTC Surround for 180.00
It looks brand new although it had no box and not original charger. Thing works like a champ. My contract actually is up for renewal in May but i decided not to wait as i could resell it if i did not like it. I'm definately not reselling it. It's awesome!
LG Quantums all over Ebay for 180-200 dollars and they're in my opinion the third best US released device
Dell Venue Pro>Focus>Quantum
I want to like HTC's devices but their battery life is just terrible and the Surround feels like a gag phone.
Surround is pretty terrible all around. If you like big screens and you're on T-Mobile, then you have one really good choice and one decent choice.
TBQH, WP7 is so Cloud dependent that I would not want to be stuck on Edge all the time.
I can't even fathom what that experience would be like.
Edge is for Blackberries, Eseries, and Feature phones...
Ok so I have the opportunity to get the dvp or hd7 for the same price...which one should I get ? The dvp doesnt seem to have as much action in the forum ...it has less ram and no htc apps , plus its a lil bulkier....the screen size doesnt bug me becauase they are similar...
Any ideas please
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The DVP's screen is much better. The Speakers are better. The Camera is worse. It has a Physical keybaord (quite a nice one). It sitll has 512 RAM which is more than good enough. It comes in a 16 GB variant and if you're feeling Giddy you can upgrade the storage becasue it has an accessible SD Card Slot.
It tends to have better performance than the HTC phones, as well. The build quality is noticeably better.
There is no such thing as a BB Bold 9800, BTW (that's the Torch). Which Blackberry are you actually selling, asd is it a T-Mobile Branded BB?
Personally, if I was faced with that choice, I'd get the Dell.
Focus... Ignore update hocus pocus ... Its the and least expensive phone
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Download Launcher 7 for your mt4g.
Makes your android look like a w7 phone lol.
Yes I know it wont transform your phone into a full fledge w7 phone but its a good alternative and its free.
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DVP over HD7 any day... When you hold both of them you can just tell which one is better at a glance or with use... better performance, better screen, they actually have the same amount of ram, it's just generally one hell of a step up from the HD7 to the DVP.
N8ter said:
The DVP's screen is much better. The Speakers are better. The Camera is worse. It has a Physical keybaord (quite a nice one). It sitll has 512 RAM which is more than good enough. It comes in a 16 GB variant and if you're feeling Giddy you can upgrade the storage becasue it has an accessible SD Card Slot.
It tends to have better performance than the HTC phones, as well. The build quality is noticeably better.
There is no such thing as a BB Bold 9800, BTW (that's the Torch). Which Blackberry are you actually selling, asd is it a T-Mobile Branded BB?
Personally, if I was faced with that choice, I'd get the Dell.
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thanks for noticing that about my sig...lol...I will change it when I get around to it though...haha
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Download Launcher 7 for your mt4g.
Makes your android look like a w7 phone lol.
Yes I know it wont transform your phone into a full fledge w7 phone but its a good alternative and its free.
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thanks, I tried it and it is nice -although I am more interested in the games on WP7... =) ...too bad they cant be emulated (yet... ?)
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DVP over HD7 any day... When you hold both of them you can just tell which one is better at a glance or with use... better performance, better screen, they actually have the same amount of ram, it's just generally one hell of a step up from the HD7 to the DVP.
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Thanks, I did not notice that they had the same amount of ram...some review(s) I read/watched said that it had 256? idk...
thanks for all of the advice it is really helpful...
(damn, why do all the TMobile WP7 devices have to be the ones at $300 and up...??? it is not that worth it to spend even 200 on a phone to just use edge..-i think)
its a tough decision, considering the prices and then considering the functionality / quality as well.... (although it sucks that the current wp7 devices are not very much up to par with these newer phones....namely the 'no FFC' thing bugs me)
I currently have the HTC Surround, and I have had no complaints with it. I do not understand why everyone is hating it. It has amazing speakers, feels very sturdy, 16 glorious gb's of memory, and has the same exact os as all the others. And some may say that the LCD screen is not as brilliant as the focus's AMOLED screen. But I personally like the screen.
In the end, it is up to your personal preferences.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/17/windows-phone-8-available-all-devices/
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/17/windows-phone-8-available-all-devices/
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Makes you wonder if Microsoft implemented the hardware criteria long ago for a reason. I think they've known what they wanted to do and where they are going to go for a long time already. Can't run latest OS from Apple on first gen iphones, and same for Ice Cream Sandwich for Google. Now is Microsoft bringing tremedous value to the consumer? Absolutely. If this is true then it's great news for those people that adopted early or those that bought used first gen phones.
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Makes you wonder if Microsoft implemented the hardware criteria long ago for a reason. I think they've known what they wanted to do and where they are going to go for a long time already. Can't run latest OS from Apple on first gen iphones, and same for Ice Cream Sandwich for Google. Now is Microsoft bringing tremedous value to the consumer? Absolutely. If this is true then it's great news for those people that adopted early or those that bought used first gen phones.
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uh huh, food for thought. Now if this was android...
The Verge is claiming a source close to Microsoft says that this is wrong. I'm really hoping Microsoft makes some announcement before my return window runs out...
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PaullikesWINMO said:
Makes you wonder if Microsoft implemented the hardware criteria long ago for a reason. I think they've known what they wanted to do and where they are going to go for a long time already. Can't run latest OS from Apple on first gen iphones, and same for Ice Cream Sandwich for Google. Now is Microsoft bringing tremedous value to the consumer? Absolutely. If this is true then it's great news for those people that adopted early or those that bought used first gen phones.
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Here you go...
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/4/17/2956439/windows-phone-8-apollo-no-upgrade
Even if it is true, I'm still going to want to buy a new device to take advantage of the NFC and dual-core capabilities and better screen resolution that only a hardware refresh will bring.
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Even if it is true, I'm still going to want to buy a new device to take advantage of the NFC and dual-core capabilities and better screen resolution that only a hardware refresh will bring.
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If someone can port the new updates on our device unofficially via an custom rom, then we shouldn't worry abt it.
I dont think I need dual core in my Lumia as its already so effing fast and do everything with ease. Android phones needs dual core and quad core because the way OS executes the thread it need powerful processors. I used Galaxy Note before this phone...I would take Lumia screen over Galaxy Note screen anytime, I know technically Note has better screen specification wise..but Lumia has colors looking so clean and smooth. Still have to use NFC to know its capability.
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If someone can port the new updates on our device unofficially via an custom rom, then we shouldn't worry abt it.
I dont think I need dual core in my Lumia as its already so effing fast and do everything with ease. Android phones needs dual core and quad core because the way OS executes the thread it need powerful processors. I used Galaxy Note before this phone...I would take Lumia screen over Galaxy Note screen anytime, I know technically Note has better screen specification wise..but Lumia has colors looking so clean and smooth. Still have to use NFC to know its capability.
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I agree, Lumia (and any other Windows Phone for that matter) is fast running WP7.5... who knows what it will be like running WP8, though. I'm sure the OS will still be incredibly efficient compared to other OS's, but apps are going to continue to grow more complex and new features are going to be added which will be more resource-needy. Could you imagine the tax on resources if they release those rumored Kinect Phones?!
Additionally those new Krait chips (Snapdragon S4) add more than just dual-core capabilities. They add better camera support (up to 3 20mp cameras), 7.1 Dolby sound, latest wifi and bluetooth radios, HD displays and recording, better memory and power management (i.e. longer battery life), improved GPUs. The list goes on and on. And yes, the ClearBlack display is beautiful, but why not throw that tech behind an HD screen? WP8 will open the door to so many new things, but not if you're still carrying around your HTC HD2 with DFT hacks
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Even if it is true, I'm still going to want to buy a new device to take advantage of the NFC and dual-core capabilities and better screen resolution that only a hardware refresh will bring.
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exactly. Saving my hardware update for that.
I would be serious displeased if the Lumia 900 didn't get the update or a version of it.
P.S> My Samsung Focus is faster then my Nokia Lumia 900.
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If someone can port the new updates on our device unofficially via an custom rom, then we shouldn't worry abt it.
I dont think I need dual core in my Lumia as its already so effing fast and do everything with ease. Android phones needs dual core and quad core because the way OS executes the thread it need powerful processors. I used Galaxy Note before this phone...I would take Lumia screen over Galaxy Note screen anytime, I know technically Note has better screen specification wise..but Lumia has colors looking so clean and smooth. Still have to use NFC to know its capability.
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Not everyone roots their phone. we shouldnt have to wait for a port with broken features. Google should be more on top of things, like Microsoft is. Everything should work out of box, and we all know android doesnt work like that. If i didnt find out about rooting and what not i probably wouldnt be using my android device right now lol
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Here you go...
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/4/17/2956439/windows-phone-8-apollo-no-upgrade
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who reads the verge? if microsoft did that to lumia 900 owners i can safely say i will never be getting another windows phone again. and i highly doubt they will do that to the phone that they put all there chips in on, i mean the lumia 900 launch was huge for at&t.
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who reads the verge? if microsoft did that to lumia 900 owners i can safely say i will never be getting another windows phone again. and i highly doubt they will do that to the phone that they put all there chips in on, i mean the lumia 900 launch was huge for at&t.
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Worse case scenario is a modified version of WP8.. maybe missing some features, but the main functionality updates will come. For example, they are saying that WP8 will bring SD card support, well.. that doesn't matter for the 900 since it doesn't even have a slot for it..
But there is no way there won't be another major update, if they do that, they will loose a lot of customers.
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who reads the verge? if microsoft did that to lumia 900 owners i can safely say i will never be getting another windows phone again. and i highly doubt they will do that to the phone that they put all there chips in on, i mean the lumia 900 launch was huge for at&t.
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I can agree with you, if I thought they put all their chips on the 900. Microsoft has had a plan in place for Windows Phone since the begining, post re-design. It wasn't Seven, it wasn't NoDo, it wasn't Mango. It was Apollo...Windows Phone 8. With WP8, Microsoft intends to be on the same playing field as Android and IOS. Right now, they have showed bursts...but not the entire package.
I 'think' that updating previous devices 'may' be their plate, at some time. But, the majority, like 99.9% of their focus is on that playing field.
First leaked info on the next Nokia with WP8 indicate a stellar blockbuster device. See Verizon's comments about Windows Phone yesterday. Sprint too. The number of OEMs announcing WP8 devices is like 4 times the amount of Seven or Mango. Lumia 900 opened some eyes, but I personally think that Verizon and Sprint, to name 2, and ASUS and Toshiba and a host of other OEMs opted to move to WP8 instead of interim developement on Mango.
For me, I have an upgrade available right now. Unless some catestrophic event occurs, like the Mayans were right, thats earmarked for my WP8 device.
Here you guys go: http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/19/microsoft-official-admits-he-misspoke-regarding-windows-phone-8/
dont give your hopes up
also, this wouldnt dumb for them to say anyways. the DVP is not supported by Dell anymore the last time i checked so it definitely would not get the update? same for the HD7/s, htc surround. they are all discontinued im pretty sure, and discontinued phones dont get updates lol
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Here you guys go: http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/19/microsoft-official-admits-he-misspoke-regarding-windows-phone-8/
dont give your hopes up
also, this wouldnt dumb for them to say anyways. the DVP is not supported by Dell anymore the last time i checked so it definitely would not get the update? same for the HD7/s, htc surround. they are all discontinued im pretty sure, and discontinued phones dont get updates lol
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We've seen all the companies do it....Motorola/ Verizon with Bionic, Razr, MaXX, HD in rapid succession. They didn't offer easy hard ware upgrades, and the software apparently was not compatable enough to release to all...
There are times when an upgrade just won't work based on hardware. We all know that..whether we will admit it or not. The very first Gen 1 devices...probably can't play. Gen 2, maybe some. The lumia 800/900, better chance. But, will anyone ( meaning Microsoft/Nokia/ others) want to go there.
After a huge revolt, the Razr Maxx out sold the Rzr and the Bionic. People will buy....period.
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We've seen all the companies do it....Motorola/ Verizon with Bionic, Razr, MaXX, HD in rapid succession. They didn't offer easy hard ware upgrades, and the software apparently was not compatable enough to release to all...
There are times when an upgrade just won't work based on hardware. We all know that..whether we will admit it or not. The very first Gen 1 devices...probably can't play. Gen 2, maybe some. The lumia 800/900, better chance. But, will anyone ( meaning Microsoft/Nokia/ others) want to go there.
After a huge revolt, the Razr Maxx out sold the Rzr and the Bionic. People will buy....period.
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Yeah lol, i couldnt see the 1st gen getting the update especially since you cant even buy them anymore from retail stores anymore really. unless they have stock for some weird reason. the only phones i could see getting the update is the titan/2 and lumia 800/900 if even that
Stoked
Sounds like Microsoft has learned from the mistakes of the bigger OS'. Im glad I made the switch and i dont think Ill be going back.
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I would be serious displeased if the Lumia 900 didn't get the update or a version of it.
P.S> My Samsung Focus is faster then my Nokia Lumia 900.
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Not saying you're lying or anything, but my Lumia 900 is WAY faster then my Focus. I actually was upset how slow my Focus acted once I had Exchange configured (and sync'ing my retarded number of calendar, contacts, e-mails), along with setting up integration with Facebook, Twitter, etc...
On my Lumia, no slowness whatsoever, menu loading, people loading, messages, and texts, are all real time.
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who reads the verge? if microsoft did that to lumia 900 owners i can safely say i will never be getting another windows phone again. and i highly doubt they will do that to the phone that they put all there chips in on, i mean the lumia 900 launch was huge for at&t.
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MSFT doesn't care. Most people are on a two year device upgrade cycle here in the US. Windows 8 phones will not be around in quantity for 6-8 months after the launch of the Lumia 900. So get a free Lumia 900 now or wait half a year+ and pay Lord knows what for a WP 8. I'm going to be 6-8 months into my contract before Windows 8 hits in quantity. And I have no idea when they will be selling at the very reasonable price the Lumia 900 is selling for now.
The average consumer (ie my mom and dad) is not going to care 8 months from now whether their free Lumia 900 can be upgraded to WP 8.
This forum is a tiny subset of the cell phone market. Apple has proven that you can have a multibillion dollar hit by completely ignoring the majority of the things people on this forum find important. I would much rather MSFT ruffle a few feathers in a niche group now and have outstanding software rather than make an "all things to all people" bloatware mess.
I am considering buying the Lumia 900 and moving from android. I have owned windows phones before so have an idea about the os however this more specifically towards the 900 as a phone. I have seen many mixed reports on here. My questions are...
Is it worth getting over the 800 and why
I know it has a few software bugs but so does my gs3 but should this be a deal breaker?
I gather this phone won't get wp8 but is this a big issue again.. Is it really worth waiting for?
I plan to use my phone for music and also the camera... Can anyone comment on the quality of either.
How is the phone to hold in the hand.. Does it sit comfortably or feel like it may slip out.
My previous windows phone was a HTC radar which I really liked however I would like to think things have moved on a bit since then and hence why I am. Looking at the Lumia.
Thanks for your help.
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It's very tempting to purchase one now, but I highly recommend waiting, especially if you purchase a phone under a contract 2-year no-upgrade plan.
I'm buying the phone outright as I find the size of my gs3 to big for everyday use.. Contract issues are not a consideration.
Just interested in opinions /views on the phone.
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Hi
I had an SGS2 and the SGS3 did not really appeal to me , So got the Lumia 900 ( I have also had an HTC HD7 windows phone) and was really blown away..
Nokia does the best WP7 phones compared to Samsung or HTC, simply because of the Nokia Apps that are available for the phone and also because nokia is porting most of its symbian apps to wp7.
Things you want miss if coming from android like me..
1) Free turn by turn navigation ( nokia does it for free, HTC charges)
2) Camera is ok although you might have to tweak the settings a bit to squeeze the best out of it ( Nokia is doing another 'camera extras' app to enhance the camera functionality)
3) The CLear Black Amoled display is really good ( like SGS3) even in directs sunlight
4) Battery life as good as the SGS2 ( atleast for me)
5) Most apps are available or you can always pin mobile version of sites to the screen.
6) DLNA will be available via its 'Nokia Play' app next month july.
Downside
1) Its a big phone so if you don't like big phones you might have to pass this
2) No upgrade to WP8 software, only the 'START SCREEN' upto version 7.8
3) Not as many apps as android, but they are coming steadily.
Just a few I can think of....
Let me know if you need to know anything else
Considering the news released today that you won't be upgraded.... F**K Microsoft OS phones, this one in particular. Wait till apollo if you want to not be another beta tester.
Agreed with above poster. With Microsoft's announcement yesterday about no upgrade path to Windows 8 for Lumia 900 and other Windows phones.
It's best to either wait for Windows 8 phones or buy a used phone.
First I would try picking one up in a store to see how it feels in your hand. Having said that when I did that it felt bigger than I was used to and thought it may end up being too big, but now I have one it feels fine.
It's worth getting one over the 800 for two reasons:
1. Much bigger battery which you can make last well into three days on one charge - I even had 100 hours out of one charge when I was hardly using it for a few days.
2. Bigger and better display. The display is the best on any smartphone according to several reviews, and personally I find it easy to read outdoors in sunlight which was a real bugbear on my previous phone. I've also found it easier to use as a satnav with the larger size.
I've found the camera to be better than my previous HTC phone, haven't tried indoor or closeup shots yet though. The main thing I like is that call quality is good, it doesn't drop calls or distort them.
It does have some teething troubles - mine has turned itself off a couple of times, which could get annoying if it keeps happening, and also the battery sometimes starts draining faster for no apparent reason, which is cured by switching it off and on.
As for WP8, in my view it depends on whether you're buying it to use it now or buying it for what you think it ought to be able to do in six months time. I think that WP7 owners will only really be missing out on the better Skype integration that WP8 will bring, most of the rest of WP8's new features seem to require new hardware that the 900 doesn't have anyway. Reading other comments you'd think the phone was going to stop working the day WP8 comes out.
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I am considering buying the Lumia 900 and moving from android. I have owned windows phones before so have an idea about the os however this more specifically towards the 900 as a phone. I have seen many mixed reports on here. My questions are...
Is it worth getting over the 800 and why
I know it has a few software bugs but so does my gs3 but should this be a deal breaker?
I gather this phone won't get wp8 but is this a big issue again.. Is it really worth waiting for?
I plan to use my phone for music and also the camera... Can anyone comment on the quality of either.
How is the phone to hold in the hand.. Does it sit comfortably or feel like it may slip out.
My previous windows phone was a HTC radar which I really liked however I would like to think things have moved on a bit since then and hence why I am. Looking at the Lumia.
Thanks for your help.
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Just sayin': I just bought a Lumia 900 from AmazonWireless (for AT&T) for $19USD as an in-contract upgrade.
hpsauce37 said:
I am considering buying the Lumia 900 and moving from android. I have owned windows phones before so have an idea about the os however this more specifically towards the 900 as a phone. I have seen many mixed reports on here. My questions are...
Is it worth getting over the 800 and why
I know it has a few software bugs but so does my gs3 but should this be a deal breaker?
I gather this phone won't get wp8 but is this a big issue again.. Is it really worth waiting for?
I plan to use my phone for music and also the camera... Can anyone comment on the quality of either.
How is the phone to hold in the hand.. Does it sit comfortably or feel like it may slip out.
My previous windows phone was a HTC radar which I really liked however I would like to think things have moved on a bit since then and hence why I am. Looking at the Lumia.
Thanks for your help.
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1Cent on Amazon.
http://wireless.amazon.com/Nokia-Lu...=INDIVIDUAL_NEW&sr=1-1-entd&qid=1340726353934
Surprised there isn't a thread on this yet. It was first broken by Techno Buffalo, and I have yet to see any other source for this, however, all of HTC's wording indicates this is true.
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/04/12/htc-10-att/
HTC announced the HTC 10 on Tuesday morning. It’s the company’s new flagship Android smartphone that will go toe-to-toe with the LG G5 and Samsung Galaxy S7 in many markets, including the United States. It’ll be sold by Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile in the U.S. but, oddly enough, won’t be carried by AT&T.
“AT&T won’t be selling HTC 10 directly, so we encourage AT&T customers to purchase the open channel device directly from HTC.com,” HTC said in a statement provided to TechnoBuffalo. It’s a bit of a shame considering HTC’s devices are typically top notch. The One M7 and One M8 were popular among smartphone enthusiasts, though last year’s One M9 has largely been viewed as a dud. Did that device scare AT&T away? We don’t know.
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Jesse Erickson @JesseErickson_ 4 hours ago
@HTCUSA Will #HTC10 be available on all major carriers?
HTC USA @HTCUSA 9:24 AM - 12 Apr 2016
@JesseErickson_ We've announced the unlocked edition and support from Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile. More details to come soon.
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Note of course, the lack of AT&T mentioned.
Eric @NoFSBigE 4 hours ago
@HTCUSA is AT&T not getting the HTC 10?
HTC USA @HTCUSA 9:26 AM - 12 Apr 2016
@NoFSBigE The unlocked HTC 10 is compatible with AT&T.
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On HTC's preorder page:
The Unlocked version is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile. The HTC 10 will be available for Verizon Wireless, T-Mobile and Sprint soon.
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So, now that it is clear enough that AT&T won't be getting the HTC 10, this brings up a few topics...
1) What do you think this will do to HTC?
I personally think this will cripple them. Each phone has been a blow to HTC... despite putting out great devices, there is never a high enough adoption rate. Obviously M9 was a bit of a misstep, but even when they have fantastic devices no one seems to buy them, on a large scale. Everyone has talked about how this is the last shot for HTC if this doesn't go well, and this could very well be one of the major reasons this phone could potentially fail.
2) What do you think AT&T's reasoning is for not selling HTC's 2016 flagship?
My thinking is one of several things. Did Samsung pay them, or make some sort of agreement when negotiating the Galaxy S7? AT&T and HTC have disagreed in the past on things... HTC unlocks their bootloaders for customers, which we know AT&T does not like. Further, AT&T wants to load up bloat on your phone and maybe HTC and AT&T were in disagreement on what specifically would go on this phone.
So, did HTC put their foot down and demand their way or the highway? Or maybe AT&T and HTC weren't seeing eye to eye and AT&T sees this as an opportunity to kick HTC when they are down, like someone clutching on to a cliff and their potential savior watching as they struggle to pull themselves back up.
Either way, I am fairly confident this was not just AT&T feeling like the phone wouldn't sell. Considering all the variants that they do sell in their stores, the flagship obviously is going to sell better than most. They even elected to carry the HTC A9, so it makes no sense from a business standpoint that they would decide not to sell it.
3) How do you plan on getting the phone as an AT&T subscriber? With no option for subsidy or a payment plan through the carrier, what do you plan on doing to get ahold of this phone?
Do you buy it outright? For those who choose that option, note that there is a $100 off coupon code floating around to knock it down to $600 for the unlocked version, and you could also choose to finance for 12 months 0% interest with Paypal credit. Or, maybe this is the last straw for you, and you switch carriers.
Maybe you even get creative... if you chose to, you could always order a Galaxy S7 on ATT Next, sell the Galaxy S7 new in the box on Craigslist and snag your unlocked HTC 10.
So, what direction do you plan on going with this and what are your thoughts on the situation? Something is up for sure, with AT&T remaining tight lipped and HTC avoiding the conversation.
I could see att not carrying it due to lack of demand. They have been the lowest selling oem for the past few years.
My guess is they don't see the demand. It can't be the bootloader unlocking since they could easily take the Verizon route and shut it down, one would think.
I can't see Samsung having anything to do with it, as an agreement to shut HTC out could arguably be illegal as anti-competitive practice.
I kind of like the fact that AT&T isn't going to get it.
I've been on the fence about getting into the 'buy it outright' mode of phone ownership for a while. I'm currently paying for an S6 on NEXT (half way done) that is currently in Texas getting it's random reboot issue looked at by Samsung, just barely still under warranty. The S6 has been mostly a disappointment to me for several reasons. Since I got the S6, my wife has gone to an S6 edge, decided she hated it, and recently switched to the dark side (an iPhone S6 - I told her I won't be providing any tech support ).
Amusingly, my wife is astounded by my current willingness to drop $600 at a whack on a phone - even though she had to pay off the upgrade balance on the S6 edge of $200 something, and still be in payments on NEXT for 20 months. But now I can tell her I have no choice!
Honestly, HTC has been off my radar since the M8, and wasn't even considering them for a next phone. But now this comes out, and I see an awful lot that I like. With the exception of the S7 Edge, most devices that are bigger than 5.1 or 5.2 inch screens are just too big for me to use comfortably. So the 10 is right there. Unlocked version is bootloader unlockable (huge negative to the ATT S7 and G5 - the other 2 contenders right now - and the int'l S7 is exynos, so custom rom development is going to be hampered badly there). The camera appears to be competitive with the s7 (camera was the best thing about the S6). Less bloat in the UI - this is awesome, the closer to vanilla android the better for me. Ability to use adoptable storage.
Damn. I'm talking myself into ordering one....
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I kind of like the fact that AT&T isn't going to get it.
I've been on the fence about getting into the 'buy it outright' mode of phone ownership for a while. I'm currently paying for an S6 on NEXT (half way done) that is currently in Texas getting it's random reboot issue looked at by Samsung, just barely still under warranty. The S6 has been mostly a disappointment to me for several reasons. Since I got the S6, my wife has gone to an S6 edge, decided she hated it, and recently switched to the dark side (an iPhone S6 - I told her I won't be providing any tech support ).
Amusingly, my wife is astounded by my current willingness to drop $600 at a whack on a phone - even though she had to pay off the upgrade balance on the S6 edge of $200 something, and still be in payments on NEXT for 20 months. But now I can tell her I have no choice!
Honestly, HTC has been off my radar since the M8, and wasn't even considering them for a next phone. But now this comes out, and I see an awful lot that I like. With the exception of the S7 Edge, most devices that are bigger than 5.1 or 5.2 inch screens are just too big for me to use comfortably. So the 10 is right there. Unlocked version is bootloader unlockable (huge negative to the ATT S7 and G5 - the other 2 contenders right now - and the int'l S7 is exynos, so custom rom development is going to be hampered badly there). The camera appears to be competitive with the s7 (camera was the best thing about the S6). Less bloat in the UI - this is awesome, the closer to vanilla android the better for me. Ability to use adoptable storage.
Damn. I'm talking myself into ordering one....
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I wouldn't count on the adoptable storage being there. As that was made for devices with low storage most oem for flagship are removing it. I'll have to read again but I thought I read that only the India version will have the sdcard slot. The ultra pix camera has always had issues mainly in low light. Also the s-off maybe an issue. We will have to wait and see.
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I wouldn't count on the adoptable storage being there. As that was made for devices with low storage most oem for flagship are removing it. I'll have to read again but I thought I read that only the India version will have the sdcard slot. The ultra pix camera has always had issues mainly in low light. Also the s-off maybe an issue. We will have to wait and see.
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While generally speaking I agree with you regarding the adoptable storage (and I'm so far mostly unimpressed with it's current implementation - I try it on and off on my Moto E) Here's a quote from Android Central's hands on preview, written by Alex Dobie, regarding the adoptable storage on the HTC 10:
"The same goes for computational horsepower. Powering the HTC 10 is an expectedly high-end assortment of smartphone components. It's running Qualcomm's latest Snapdragon 820 processor, along with a roomy 4GB of RAM and 32GB of storage, expandable via microSD slot. (A scant few regions may get lucky and see a 64GB option.) Unlike some high-end rivals, HTC's new flagship includes support for Android 6.0's Adoptive Storage feature, which lets you directly top-up the internal space using an SD card, as opposed to keeping it as a separate removable bucket of storage."
So take that for what it's worth. If I do talk myself into this device, it's quite possible that I'll never use adoptable storage. But I like having the option. I didn't see any mention of only certain models having SD card slot on GSMArena - it's just listed as 200GB. Curious where that info is coming from....
Granted I haven't seen any head to head camera stuff, but the camera ratings guys (DXOmark I think it is) scored the 10 on par with the S7. even if it's not really quite as good as that, I'm pretty comfortable that it will be at least a good camera.
S-off is of course a potential issue, but an unlocked bootloader is a big step up against the competition, as far as customization goes.
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While generally speaking I agree with you regarding the adoptable storage (and I'm so far mostly unimpressed with it's current implementation - I try it on and off on my Moto E) Here's a quote from Android Central's hands on preview, written by Alex Dobie, regarding the adoptable storage on the HTC 10:
"The same goes for computational horsepower. Powering the HTC 10 is an expectedly high-end assortment of smartphone components. It's running Qualcomm's latest Snapdragon 820 processor, along with a roomy 4GB of RAM and 32GB of storage, expandable via microSD slot. (A scant few regions may get lucky and see a 64GB option.) Unlike some high-end rivals, HTC's new flagship includes support for Android 6.0's Adoptive Storage feature, which lets you directly top-up the internal space using an SD card, as opposed to keeping it as a separate removable bucket of storage."
So take that for what it's worth. If I do talk myself into this device, it's quite possible that I'll never use adoptable storage. But I like having the option. I didn't see any mention of only certain models having SD card slot on GSMArena - it's just listed as 200GB. Curious where that info is coming from....
Granted I haven't seen any head to head camera stuff, but the camera ratings guys (DXOmark I think it is) scored the 10 on par with the S7. even if it's not really quite as good as that, I'm pretty comfortable that it will be at least a good camera.
S-off is of course a potential issue, but an unlocked bootloader is a big step up against the competition, as far as customization goes.
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I don't recall where I read it. I know India is getting a different model.
The storage thing kinda defeats the purpose of an SD card as once used you can't remove it without crashing the system.
Doesn't matter as it is not being sold here.
This kind of sucks as it makes it unlikely that we will be able to get VoLTE to work now. Also, setting up call forwarding on ATT's network can be a pain in the ass without the ATT firmware. Of course, this is all based on M8, M9 and mini experience, so maybe this device will be easier to get call forwarding working.
This doesn't affect me at all. I'm getting the unlocked version. Bloat free for me.
Doesn't affect me at all. I was buying unlocked to get around AT&T anyway. Glad HTC stuck it to them to keep their software bloat-free.
I think HTC chose to not have it available on AT&T because of the ability to unlock the bootloader.
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I think HTC chose to not have it available on AT&T because of the ability to unlock the bootloader.
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As has been pointed out, there would be no Verizon version if bootloader unlocking was a sticking point.
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I think HTC chose to not have it available on AT&T because of the ability to unlock the bootloader.
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AT&T also has the A9 which carries the same bootloader warranty. They've also carried other unlockable HTC phones as well.
I don't know the reason AT&T decided not to carry the 10, but I doubt it has anything to do with the bootloader.
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AT&T also has the A9 which carries the same bootloader warranty. They've also carried other unlockable HTC phones as well.
I don't know the reason AT&T decided not to carry the 10, but I doubt it has anything to do with the bootloader.
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HTC has not been a big seller for ATT for awhile. The bootloader is not a big deal really but I think it has more to do with the fact that they are working with ZTE and CM (not sure why they would mix a cappy phone with a cappy os but they will learn)
In the end att focus on Apple and Samsung. Those are their big sellers. For good reason. Att has huge copra the contracts and those are the only ones certified for security.
While saddened a bit, because my Next installment plan is coming up soon, I'm not surprised. When I was last shopping for phones, which was late 2014, every AT&T store I went to almost went out of their way to discourage me from getting an M8. I'm glad I went ahead and got it, because it has been an incredible device. (Although a big part of that was getting S-off and running DevEd firmware...)
Right now, there are three AT&T stores within easy driving distance. All of them have a "other" section where they put the odds and ends phones - and HTC M9/A9 are right there in the middle, sandwiched between the el-cheapo droids and lesser known Chinese brands. They don't get a dedicated display like the Samsung or LG, and it's clear the staff don't push them (or worse push people away from them). Thus, I suspect it didn't take much for AT&T to just drop them entirely.
In this case, I suspect it was a combination of having a flagship price, yet still not selling well. I'm not sure how many M8s and M9s AT&T sold through their store, but I can almost guarantee that they were a small fraction of the Galaxies and G3/G4s. Which is why I think HTC is screwing up by charging a flagship price for the 10.
This certainly bums me out. I've been eligible for an upgrade on AT&T for a couple months now, and was patiently waiting for all 3 flagships to hit. Looks like chances are really good I go with the G5 now, though honestly I'm interested in the phone regardless of some of the issues I've heard about it (have a G3 now and have always liked it.) It is a shame, because I like how the HTC 10 sounded, but I just can't afford to buy one outright, and there is NO WAY I go with a Galaxy. At least with the G5 I have some hope it will be ROM-able in the future.
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This certainly bums me out. I've been eligible for an upgrade on AT&T for a couple months now, and was patiently waiting for all 3 flagships to hit. Looks like chances are really good I go with the G5 now, though honestly I'm interested in the phone regardless of some of the issues I've heard about it (have a G3 now and have always liked it.) It is a shame, because I like how the HTC 10 sounded, but I just can't afford to buy one outright, and there is NO WAY I go with a Galaxy. At least with the G5 I have some hope it will be ROM-able in the future.
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It was my understanding that all the LG G5 variants have locked bootloaders. Is that not the case? If they are locked, seems to me the chances of custom Roms there are no better or worse than the S7. That's probably the biggest single reason I'm so heavily leaning to the 10.
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I'm guessing AT&T and HTC didn't see eye to eye on the negotiations. Maybe HTC wanted comparable deals to Samsung, Apple, and LG, where as AT&T wanted to give them a lesser deal as if they were not a major player anymore.
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The thing is, because AT&T pretty much forces you to get a phone on the Next plan (I can pay $15/mo for Next or $40/mo for on-contract), you're either paying over time or paying up front. The HTC order site lets you use Paypal credit where you can pay it off within 12 month at no interest. So from where I'm sitting, it's kind of a wash. Pay AT&T over time or pay HTC.
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I wouldn't count on the adoptable storage being there. As that was made for devices with low storage most oem for flagship are removing it. I'll have to read again but I thought I read that only the India version will have the sdcard slot. The ultra pix camera has always had issues mainly in low light. Also the s-off maybe an issue. We will have to wait and see.
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I don't recall where I read it. I know India is getting a different model.
The storage thing kinda defeats the purpose of an SD card as once used you can't remove it without crashing the system.
Doesn't matter as it is not being sold here.
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Not sure what you read. The adoptable storage is absolutely there. You don't have to use it, but it is enabled on the HTC 10. There is certainly an India model (that will also be in other emerging markets), but the standard 10 and the India 10 will both have micro SD slots. The major difference on the India model (I think they're calling it HTC 10 Lifestyle edition) -- it will have a lower processor and I believe 3 GB of RAM instead of 4. Same camera and base features, though.
S-off, certainly is not included with their bootloader unlock. Since they don't really care if you do it, though, I doubt that it will be any different exploit than previous HTC phones.
The whole purpose and strength of Ultrapixel is low light photography, so I'm not sure what you mean by "has always had issues in low light". Ars Technica is one of the first full reviews posted for the phone, and the low light pictures are astoundingly better on the HTC 10 vs the others; it isn't even close.
Completely agree with you that SD card should be able to come out, and I'm not big on Adaptable Storage either, but it is definitely available on this phone.
jollywhitefoot said:
This kind of sucks as it makes it unlikely that we will be able to get VoLTE to work now. Also, setting up call forwarding on ATT's network can be a pain in the ass without the ATT firmware. Of course, this is all based on M8, M9 and mini experience, so maybe this device will be easier to get call forwarding working.
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VoLTE will be supported on both this unlocked version and the specific TMO carrier version. I believe I saw it on Tmobile's twitter account. They confirmed both VoLTE and Wifi calling as working features.
I'm also concerned about call forwarding and, more importantly, visual voicemail, as these are both things that degrade or completely are gone when I use an international / non-ATT rom.