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Well I got my hands on the most advanced operating system
It is nice but a bit annoying unfortunately. I have some questions about it guys and hope you will be able to help me.
For starters the Gmail app is crashing all the time 'stopped unexpectedly', maybe because I told it not to sync, but come on I can't even open it. I use the exchange and if I tell gmail to sync I just get my emails twice which is annoying.
For some reason the thing decided that I want my facebook contacts in my dialer. Unfortunately I don't. When I linked them to some real people it named them however it wanted without giving me the option to rename my own contacts. And I don't want facebook contacts in all people. So I factory reset it and told it not to sync them, but then I can't associate my actual contacts with facebook. I mean the fracking thing wants to do what it wants and I want it to do what I want .
Can I have more screens on sense - like in winmo sense?
Then I don't have a simple file browser, why , the BT file transfer is not working, or just not available, no mp3 for ringtone or I missed something, my 6 and a half year old crap symbian nokia has both bt and mp3?
I can't seem to make it auto attach to the HSDPA network, don't know why, no such setting
Why does all the software makes folders wherever it wants, all over the sd card, without even bothering to ask my opinion
I installed 3-4 apps including the missing file browser and bt transfer, plus some more basic stuff sat nav and now I'm running out of space, why
Don't get me wrong, android is alright, I didn't wrote here to bash it or something, just to share another thing below
Ever since the dream came out I read what a great os android is, now I get it 3 years later and I find it lacks some basic functionality I had many years ago on my crap symbian. I was with winmo the past 4 years, it has flaws, but it's mail client hasn't crashed once, and I can't even open Gmail app on Google OS. I can't even imagine what was the expirience for the dream owners. The other thing, I am not a programmer, but I have used linux before, and calling this thing linux is like if I call my house a skyscraper.
Anyway if someone has a solution for my problems I will be really grateful guys
Ok I'll kick this off:
Gmail app crashes - Well mine doesn't and never has if you have factory reset and its still doing it then maybe try looking to see if it a problem with using exchange at the same time.
More Screens - The desire has 7 home screens 2 to the left and 2 to the right which can be viewed by swiping left and right, pinching the screen as in a zoom out method or pressing the home button.
No File browser - yeah your right install Astro
No Auto HSDDPA - Not sure about this as mine just does any more info?
Random FOlders - Yeah this is very annoying maybe version 3 will address this
Lack of Space - the phone has limited internal storage and all appds install to it. Version 2.2 is now being rolled out which allows installation to the SD card which will give more room. The Sat nav stuff is huge and will be why you are running out so quick. That along with the carp the network operator has shoved on there so debrand asap.
Its not linux - you're right its based on it though. A full blown linux install would frighten most ppl though so they have installed a nice UI to cover up the complex stuff.
Thanks
The gmail app crashed less (1 of 3 times) if I actually synced mail with it and every time if I sync only contacts
I know about the 7 screens, just wished for more -10 for instance, I've been using smartphones for quite a while
Hsdpa can be on or off, it can't be off and then connect by itself if something needs it.
Its weird but 3 mobile didn't put any crap inside, or at least it is not in the apps part. Actually I had to download the crap by myself as it was skype, which I wanted to have anyway
I am still unsure about rooting it, as it looks like I won't be able to achieve much, alright I'll have a terminal, but I need to use it for something
The device says it has 147MB for software, sat nav 2x11-12MB + crap on sd card, some other minor stuff - file explorer, bt transfer, taskmanager, dictionary with database on sd, goggles haven't tried it yet, flashlight, skype, win messenger, google earth and it's at 75%
hope this helps and thanks again for the advice
Hi Again I am stuck on the gmail issue and unfortunately there are only 7 home screens.
You may try Data On Demand app that may do something like what you need for the data.
I wouldn't bother with rooting as like you say its not really necessary and has few advantages other than backup.
I know Google earth is huge but it does appear like you should only of used around 60 to 70 Meg or 50% from the stuff you list Mind you I think a lot of the system apps like weather etc may use some of that memory but cant be uninstalled but I could be wrong on this.
If you're going to get the best out of this phone you have to give in to google.
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Yeah, thanks, in programs there is the data consumption of all apps, surprisingly, the browser has used 7,84MB of max allowed 6MB cache, now I know what's wrong with the space
Do you have any idea about the contacts+facebook issue? For example a .conf I can edit or something else
Btw I knew about these issues in 1.5 (bt,storage,file explorer), but I tought they were fixed over 3 years. I haven't read much about them, except how great android was and now i feel like a kid without icecream
@Mark One - What do you mean by this, if I wanted a device which did what it wanted, I would have bought an istick. Linux has always been doing what I told it even if it lead it to crash. It's just a phone if I don't get along with it I'll just get another one.
Err the facebook issue I dont have cos i dont use it but I do know that if you press phone and press the option on the bottom left to show all people then you can press the menu key which allows the selection of the "View" option where you can set "only show contacts with phone numbers" maybe this will help?
Froyo or version 2.2 of android has just been released which addresses the storage problem but not the others
I found this, it ditches most of the FB contacts, but leaves the ones which have phone numbers entered in their profiles, that is in the dialer only. I'll keep digging on this one.
Alright, I rooted the thing with unrevoked and the hboot 0.83 recovery image, installed froyo open desire sense + 5.xx radio. Unfortunately everything is the same, only skype is not working now. I formated the sdcard but the thing only lets me move a couple of small apps on it. Sat nav doesn't want to be on the sd, is this only me?
My mobile network is blocking sites with xxx content, unfortunately it is blocking some which don't have. I tried to change the user agent of the browser, it didn't work. If anyone has any idea about this
Now I debranded and rooted what do I do next
Since vodafone are starting enforcing their data allowance limits in October, I've been keeping a closer eye on my data usage and was surprised to see that, some days, I'm using 60-70mb. I knew that I was actively using a fraction of that so it had to be something running in the background.
I've got things like facebook and seesmic set to update once an hour and most other things set to manual or once a day updates. Most heavy data use apps like Spotify and Guardian Anywhere are set to only update over Wifi so I couldn't figure out what it might be.
After some searching, I managed to find an app which can break down data usage per app. It turns out that, in the space of a few hours, Calendar used about 20mb just running in the background. I'm guessing this is an HTC sense problem rather than an android issue with just keeping my gmail account in sync, since gmail and contacts aren't pulling down anything like the same amount of data.
Does anyone know how to set refresh intervals for calendar without affecting the other gmail account sync data? The only options I can find is straight on/off with no frequency options.
I'm rooted and using stock rom, since I prefer stability and even the most stable custom roms tend to have a few quirks here and there, but I cant afford so much data to be squandered when it doesn't need to be so might switch, but in the meantime, does anyone have any suggestions? I tried searching the forum but it doesn't seem like there's anyone else having the same problem.
Paradasos said:
After some searching, I managed to find an app which can break down data usage per app.
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Hi, would you mind posting a link to this app? I have the same problem and have searched for something to break down usage per app but couldn't find anything. Thanks, Stoatie
Wow! Now THAT explains everything and why I was averaging 50-70mb/day as well! I'm also watching my data usage, so thank you so much for this post...
As for an answer, my best advice for now....remove the tick that allows your calendar to sync with your gmail account. The only reason you need to sync your accounts is if you frequently use the web app and as a backup option. So, you can turn off that and your contacts sync and everything will still stay as is and save you precious data. Then you can sync everything once a day or every couple of days if you're into flashing roms or are prone to lose phones, etc.
Hope that helps...I'm about to try out and watch my data usage as well!
+1 for a link to the app thaat breaks data use down by app
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+ 2 for the same app please - I know a few guys have been looking for such an app on here for some time now.
Much appreciated.
This is what I use:
http://www.appbrain.com/app/trafficstats/com.trafficstats
appstorehq.com/networkstatistics-android-174793/app this is the one I used. It's been discontinued but is still available in the market. To be honest though, the one posted above looks like the better app, and it's free.
Thanks for the reccomendations
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Hi,
My daily 3g useage today is currently at 64Mb, which is just crazy. I haven't used the internet, you tube, etc; and on checking watchdog 3g pro it indicated that it is my Mail that has received this amount. But, that's impossible, the mail size -when check on laptop through Outlook- is around 3 Mb.
Has anyone got any idea why the mail seems to think it has received 20 times this? Is it the Mail app, or Watchdog 3g pro?
I am running Modaco r11 rom, with most of superfluious components removed.
I don't think it's syncing issue Facebook or any other app. Could another app to receiving this data and it is assigned to Mail.
Just a bit confused. The same thing happened in December, but I think that was related to Advanced Task Killer Froyo, which I uninstalled and haven't had the problem since. But this does seem to happen every two to three months - wierd phantom data.
Cheers
Bumping this as again have had crazy 3g usage - 122mb in 1 day, but same as before, from mail. No way have I used that much, but Orange confirmed it. Only change us that I am.using insertion Rom.
Any ideas why my mail app seems go crazy every do often & download 'ghost' data (idea: is it stuck partially downloading something? In a kind of mobius data loop?)
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If I was you I would sort the problem out. Delete the account then add it again. It seems pretty weird though.
Swyped...
default refresh values at peak times are like every 15 mins.... have you changed this?
I personally don't auto sync enabled.... only refreshes when I open
Cheers for the replies.
Hmm, I might try deleting the accounts and reinputting them. But it has happened before, and I seem to be the only one with this problem. Could it have something to do with my email provider (which is also my ISP)? Anyone got any technical knowledge about this type if thing?
The prob with manually refreshing the email is that I'm self employed and out and about alot, so need the email frequency set quite regular so I am not constantly looking at phone - it's set for every 15 mins; that said, I hadn't even set it download whole emails.
Could it be something from rooting? But that should make not difference. Or is there any malware that could be doing this...as you see, grabbing at straws here...
Oh, and the Rom I am using is Insertcoin not insertion (damn that predictive text)
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Have a Samsung Focus and after mango update (NoDo) 50Mb for month was enought to keep update my data (hotmail (updated every 15 min), google (updated every 15 min) and facebook accounts). Also, I use twitter and facebook apps to read news (separately) every day at night. Update my RSS Central channels and eventualy navigate trought marketplace and some internet wabepages. Now with Mango, my phone consumes 50 Mb in a week with the same uses above described. I'm I the only one with this situation? I would appreciate any help with this.
Thanks.
Pd. Sorry for my limited english. I do my best.
I noticed an increase as well. Mango uses about 150MB a month in background data per month for me. 99% of the time i'm on wifi, so my data usage is when the phone is asleep.
thanks for the answer. That sucks. I think i need a postpay contract.
Live Tiles, maybe?! Background agents?
Have you checked?
I'm using 12gb data plan with an app that can check how much I use daily.
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Live Tiles, maybe?! Background agents?
Have you checked?
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No Live tiles, no background agents used. In fact, i just revert to nodo and update to mango without add anything and the phone eats a lot of data.
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I'm using 12gb data plan with an app that can check how much I use daily.
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isn't AT&T app? cause i use my focus outside of US.
You are right about data consumption...in my country data plans are very expensive and I always get unlocked phones with prepaid data packets. With Mango, I spend 60mb in 2-3 days! In NODO, a 60mb data packet could last for almost 8-10 days with the same use/apps.
I have deactivated every automatic sync but the data consumption is still relatively big...even XBOX syncs automatically!! One note sync can't be turned off
MS must understand that their devices can be purchased in many places in the world and AFAIK only in USA there is free wi-fi like the oxygen in the air and data plans/contracts are better deals than an unlocked phone. In other countries we can't live with devices that depend so much on the internet.
Muvolt said:
...even XBOX syncs automatically!! One note sync can't be turned off .....
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I think youre right with this. One Note, Office docs in skydrive and xbox sync at the same time when live account sync. I think we need a sync config in office hub and xbox live hub. I want my mail updated every 15 mins at least, but office docs and xbox live may update 2 times at every day (thats enought for me).
Yup, I understand what u r tryin t say, but Windows Phone is oriented to EU and US, as well as HSDPA countries.
Btw u can turn Xbox sync and Zune sync off if u do not wish to use too much of ur data balance tho.
The diff of Windows Phone, the essence of Windows Phone OS, is mainly rely on cloud computing and synchronization. If u don't use Live Tile, no Twitter push notification, no Facebook intergration chat, no MSN Messenger, no SkyDrive Office document storage, no photo sharing, no Xbox Live, no Zune real-time personal experience, no push Email, no Tellme voice guide, no Bing Maps, a Windows Phone experience is not outstanding at all, the reason Windows Phone is better sometime is largely bcuz there r so many Microsoft Service behind this platform, supporting it.
It's not when u r using Metro UI, u r using Windows Phone. That's wrong.
I noticed this as well. I had Mango beta versions and had my usual data usage. After the official update this month, I checked my data usage and it was much higher than usual, and I haven't really done anything differently. I keep off data when I'm home at wifi and usually just use it for directions and maps when I'm out.
Yep, this happend to me too. I have a 50mb data plan and everything fine with Mango-beta for 30 days. Now with Mango its only 15-18 days
I just deactivate all Xbox Live stuff, I check background workers, telemetry
For the record, I have my primary hotmail account with Push (since nodo, mango-beta, mango)
I have a MobileMe, Gmail, Hotmail and Exchange account set up to sync with my phone plus Xbox Live, a couple of weather apps, a few news live tiles and the Facebook/Twitter/LinkedIn set up and in a week I've consumed 5.09MB so it must be device/firmware specific.
I am using a HD7 on O2 UK.
guys, did you have feedback disabled? if not disable. try to disable also checking of system updates via cellular data it is default enabled.did you try to make hard reset after mango update, it is confirmed that mango after hard reset drain battery less maybe probles with data usage may change. try to disable background apps.
both wife and myself upgraded to Mango and I paid close attention to data usage. The data usage went up maybe 10-15%, which I expected with life tile push when away from WiFi. Nothing outrageous.
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I noticed an increase as well. Mango uses about 150MB a month in background data per month for me. 99% of the time i'm on wifi, so my data usage is when the phone is asleep.
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How do you know how data your phone uses? I still havent found any app for keeping track on that, if you have a suggestion Id love to try it out!
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isn't AT&T app? cause i use my focus outside of US.
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Would love to know that as well.
I use my focus outside the US, I see no utility in at&t apps so I erased them. Why should I keep them? my Data usage was about 150Mb/month, with mango i think it is like 180Mb/month, I dont think it is that bad.
i know at this times, everything go/back to internet. Push services, sync services, location services etc..But i think some services need to be more configurable. I dont need twitter, facebook or foursquare updated every 15 mins. That's the razon why i don't configure facebook and twitter accounts and install every app separately. Integration of the services is a good one, but need to be more configurable. In WM 6.x this is possible. Why leave out this feature in WP7 ??
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both wife and myself upgraded to Mango and I paid close attention to data usage. The data usage went up maybe 10-15%, which I expected with life tile push when away from WiFi. Nothing outrageous.
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Yes, that change is normal from NoDo to Mango, but not from Mango-Beta to Mango. Must be the same or in fact decreased because some last time changes/fixes
I have already disabled the "use my data connection" to check updates and send feedback
derausgewanderte said:
both wife and myself upgraded to Mango and I paid close attention to data usage.
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As for me it much easier to pay $10/month more and stop worry about data over usage (but I begun from the 200 Mb/month data plan too)
Hello All
I have a GNex "yakju" updated to Android 4.2.1 (stock, non-rooted). After the update, I have seen that Android OS started taking a big chunk out of my mobile data plan, around 40-50 MB per day. Previously, I'd hardly see any usage from this process.
I have started to investigate this behavior by using tPacketCapture. So far I've managed to see a lot of traffic to google servers (173.194.35.163) and the hourly exchange server sync, but it's encrypted and I don't know how to extract the TLS key from the phone (not sure if it's possible). In one hour there were about 3.3 MB of data transferred (I'm running on 2G to conserve battery), with no background applications.
Right now I'm rerunning the test with Auto Sync Data off, to see if it's not some malware, but it's highly unlikely (almost all my apps are from the play store) and will rerun the test with Backup to Google turned off.
Anyone got any insight on this? I could post the pcap file somewhere (I've scanned it and I'm pretty sure there's no unencrypted personal information in there), but I don't know if it helps.
P.S.: I've seen a lot of similar threads on here but they relate to other phones, and the majority of suppositions were hinting towards the bloatware of the stock ROMs
Turning off sync should do the trick.
But I do hope to hear from you.
So I turned off sync and it seems to do the trick (only ~200KB in one hour and all traffic was from a facebook app that does not obey sync rules - flipster). I don't like having sync off since it means no more notifications for new e-mails, facebook or contacts, and also these services were turned on before the 4.2.1 update.
I'm trying a new run with sync on but disabling everything that I don't care for (photos, google+, backup, currents, notes). Looks good for now (~56KB in 10 minutes). I'll see what happens.
Another odd thing I saw in the initial run - data came in chunks of packets roughly 7 seconds in between (a lot of packets, including SSL handshake, at 300 seconds, then a few packets, then a lot of packets again at 307 seconds, then at 314 etc.).
Monitoring, will post results ASAP
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Hello All
I have a GNex "yakju" updated to Android 4.2.1 (stock, non-rooted). After the update, I have seen that Android OS started taking a big chunk out of my mobile data plan, around 40-50 MB per day. Previously, I'd hardly see any usage from this process.
I have started to investigate this behavior by using tPacketCapture. So far I've managed to see a lot of traffic to google servers (173.194.35.163) and the hourly exchange server sync, but it's encrypted and I don't know how to extract the TLS key from the phone (not sure if it's possible). In one hour there were about 3.3 MB of data transferred (I'm running on 2G to conserve battery), with no background applications.
Right now I'm rerunning the test with Auto Sync Data off, to see if it's not some malware, but it's highly unlikely (almost all my apps are from the play store) and will rerun the test with Backup to Google turned off.
Anyone got any insight on this? I could post the pcap file somewhere (I've scanned it and I'm pretty sure there's no unencrypted personal information in there), but I don't know if it helps.
P.S.: I've seen a lot of similar threads on here but they relate to other phones, and the majority of suppositions were hinting towards the bloatware of the stock ROMs
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Maybe you've already done this but have you tried going into the sync settings for you google account to see if any of the services are failing to sync? For me the browser sync had been continuously failed for 2 weeks before i realized it.
I did have some issues with calendar and Google Photos (I think) not syncing, but I thought it was because I cleared the cache of Google Framework Services in an attempt to get the update to 4.2.1 earlier. Not sure if it helps, since I don't remember seeing any sync errors these days. I've stopped Browser sync now, I'll see how my data usage changes.
vladk2k said:
Hello All
I have a GNex "yakju" updated to Android 4.2.1 (stock, non-rooted). After the update, I have seen that Android OS started taking a big chunk out of my mobile data plan, around 40-50 MB per day. Previously, I'd hardly see any usage from this process.
I have started to investigate this behavior by using tPacketCapture. So far I've managed to see a lot of traffic to google servers (173.194.35.163) and the hourly exchange server sync, but it's encrypted and I don't know how to extract the TLS key from the phone (not sure if it's possible). In one hour there were about 3.3 MB of data transferred (I'm running on 2G to conserve battery), with no background applications.
Right now I'm rerunning the test with Auto Sync Data off, to see if it's not some malware, but it's highly unlikely (almost all my apps are from the play store) and will rerun the test with Backup to Google turned off.
Anyone got any insight on this? I could post the pcap file somewhere (I've scanned it and I'm pretty sure there's no unencrypted personal information in there), but I don't know if it helps.
P.S.: I've seen a lot of similar threads on here but they relate to other phones, and the majority of suppositions were hinting towards the bloatware of the stock ROMs
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I faced the same problem, issue was somewhat with auto backup of data, sync of app data & people details in google account,
BUT the main culprit in my case was uTorrent application.
Even though there was no torrent added to it, i didn't even opened it,
it was using 1GB data daily on WiFi and in data usage it was coming under Android OS usage. I uninstalled it, everything went back to normal.
So try to look for such apps which eat up your data in background, it may not be an error of android OS as such.
Hope this helps, Press THANKS if it did help you
Enjoy