[Q] S-OFF on Rooted device? - EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I've been looking at updating my EVO through stock roms, and just recently noticed at some point i have updated to hboot 2.18, though still rooted. Is it possible to obtain s-off at this point? and if so, possible without downgrading and flashing everything to stock and rerooting? my obvious concern here is that, while my info on 2.18 is slight, I have heard it can't be tweaked.
Just curious... Currently am trying Derp3D out as many of the roms I wish to play with (CM9, for example) don't play well with PDroid (a must have for numerous reasons on my system)

How are you still rooted? as in s-off? 2.18 is a locked bootloader so you would have to unlock it to flash recovery. Just not sure what you mean?
As for ICS, its just not there yet for me so I am not any help...

dunno... on bootloader it says UNLOCKED at top, s-on, but have no problems with pdroid, superuser, cwm...
All root-req apps are still 100% functional, too.
basically, i'm looking to get s-off to update the radios, wimax, etc, and still use an older rom that functions with pdroid.

There's a guide by Captain Throwback that explains how to gain s-off with an unlocked, s-on 2.18 hboot. Do a search, you should be able to find it.

plainjane said:
There's a guide by Captain Throwback that explains how to gain s-off with an unlocked, s-on 2.18 hboot. Do a search, you should be able to find it.
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Yes and here is that guide:
http://goo.gl/SM45G

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Factory S-OFF

I noticed after rooting 2.2, All I did was get root and apply the eng-bootloader.
But It says S-OFF in the bootloader and I did not apply unrevoked forever.
I got it though sprint's phone insurance company, since it's replacement for my old one.
Why would it have S-OFF? It's hardware 003. So I see no reason why it's S-OFF'd.
Warboy said:
I noticed after rooting 2.2, All I did was get root and apply the eng-bootloader.
But It says S-OFF in the bootloader and I did not apply unrevoked forever.
I got it though sprint's phone insurance company, since it's replacement for my old one.
Why would it have S-OFF? It's hardware 003. So I see no reason why it's S-OFF'd.
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The engineering bootloader is S-OFF, but it is not permanent unlike Unrevoked Forever. If you load a regular bootloader back on, the S-OFF will go away.
Correct me if I am wrong, but eng gives you S-OFF doesn't it? I have S-OFF and I didn't use u4.
bludragon742 said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but eng gives you S-OFF doesn't it? I have S-OFF and I didn't use u4.
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It won't stick....
S - Off = you have root, but if you did not run unrEVOked Forever you can lose root by an OTA update.
Y'all must be using a different hboot than me because Eng hboot never showed S-OFF until I ran U4E...
Alright. Just wondering.
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[Q] S-on??

Hi I rooted with unrevoked (now running Leedroid) but I noticed in the bootloader it still says S-ON. Is this normal and wtf does the S stand for?
Thanks!
s stands for security, and has nothing to doo with rooting, s-on means that you can't write to the /system and /recovery outside of the recovery mode, and s-off is not needed to run a custom rom, or use rooted apps... so youre good even with s-on...
Ah ok good, probably fine to leave that on then I guess
And if you should wan't s-off, here's the guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=794314

ENG S-off & RADIO S-off

I'm just confused... I'm new to Android and i was just wondering if ENG S-off is the same as Radio S-off... my phone is currently Rooted and have ENG S-off do i need to the One click radio S-off? -noob- here
I am with the same condition as you and asked a similar question here and here is the answer :
jkoljo said:
Yes that is right, you need to use this tool (or script methods in forum) if you want to flash using kernel update utility.
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So for Kernel flashing or similar issues, yes we need extra ENG S-Off which I would recommed you to use the tool on the link above If you are a newbie like me.
eozen81 said:
I am with the same condition as you and asked a similar question here and here is the answer :
So for Kernel flashing or similar issues, yes we need extra ENG S-Off which I would recommed you to use the tool on the link above If you are a newbie like me.
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I think you meant to say we need the extra radio s-off, not eng s-off. Just to avoid any confusion.
I´ve got the same problem. I don´t realy know the difference between ENG S-Off and SHIP S-Off.
I have have ROOT and ENG S-Off, but after I run Easy-RADIO-S-Off everythimg is the same like before.
Is there maybe another way to get Radio-S-Off?
For my ENG S-Off, I´ve made a step by step way with the terminal Emulator.
I need your Help
If you do Radio S-OFF on top of ENG S-OFF, nothing else is supposed to change but bootloader>system info CID. If you did full Radio S-OFF, which contains SuperCID and SimUnlock, the CID should be 11111111.
The differences of both S-OFFs:
- Radio S-OFF is more permanent, safer
- ENG S-OFF allows to use fastboot commands, such as fastboot flash radio
- Radio S-OFF (with SuperCID) allows downgrading from anything, it disables device version checking. If HTC has "banned" a certain downgrade from one version to the other, Radio S-OFF allows it.
@jkoljo
thx for your reply
I still have root and ENG S-Off. How can I get Radio S-Off and SuperCID too?
I´ve searched in the forum up and down. It seems that the Easy-Radio-S-Off Tool doesn´t work... ? Do you have another way for me?
Didn't the CID change (bootloader system info)? Because nothing else is supposed to change in the bootloader after you run the tool. Check Radio S-OFF tool troubleshooting. There is also a manual method posted by Apache, which uses older unlock code version than my tool.
jkoljo said:
If you do Radio S-OFF on top of ENG S-OFF, nothing else is supposed to change but bootloader>system info CID. If you did full Radio S-OFF, which contains SuperCID and SimUnlock, the CID should be 11111111.
The differences of both S-OFFs:
- Radio S-OFF is more permanent, safer
- ENG S-OFF allows to use fastboot commands, such as fastboot flash radio
- Radio S-OFF (with SuperCID) allows downgrading from anything, it disables device version checking. If HTC has "banned" a certain downgrade from one version to the other, Radio S-OFF allows it.
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this explains everything... thnx so much for the reply... mind my ignorance... xD
SEW580 said:
@jkoljo
thx for your reply
I still have root and ENG S-Off. How can I get Radio S-Off and SuperCID too?
I´ve searched in the forum up and down. It seems that the Easy-Radio-S-Off Tool doesn´t work... ? Do you have another way for me?
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Hi SEW580,
I had the same problem, apeared to be the wrong option/choice I made when I used te tool. you have to use the FIRST option ("Radio S-OFF, Super-CID an Sim Unlock"), this worked for me.
Let me know if it also did for you...
Jan
I would 100% get radio s-off. That way if Htc screw you over with an update which breaks root you aren't stranded.
jverven said:
Hi SEW580,
I had the same problem, apeared to be the wrong option/choice I made when I used te tool. you have to use the FIRST option ("Radio S-OFF, Super-CID an Sim Unlock"), this worked for me.
Let me know if it also did for you...
Jan
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The Tool is great, but it doesn´t work at mine. I tryed every option from first to last. I´ve got SU, Root and ENG S-OFF. I did everything whats needed. I run the Tool, it asked for permission, I confirm, it finished succesful, but nothing changes - no Radio S-Off or SuperCID :-(
Please try the 2.2 version, it tells you what went wrong.
By the way if you have a new radio in your phone, you have to downgrade first before running the tool.
jkoljo said:
Please try the 2.2 version, it tells you what went wrong.
By the way if you have a new radio in your phone, you have to downgrade first before running the tool.
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Yeah, its done. After i´ve downgraded the RADIO, I used Version 2.2 and it works.
I´´m the proud Owner of a SuperCID
cool.....................

[Q] About ENG S-OFF

Hello everyone, I just got my DHD 2 days ago, and I already want to flash a new ROM on it (Revolution). I have rooted my phone via the wiki article, using gfree_02.
However, I am not sure about ENG S-OFF. I have rooted my phone using "./gfree -f", which means superCID, simlock off, RADIO S-OFF.
So I am guessing I only achieved RADIO S-OFF (besides permaroot, superCID and simlock). But prior to rooting the gfree way, I've noticed in the wiki that it suggested Visionary to be uninstalled. I've never installed it so it was no problem.
But now, in order to flash mike's Revolution, I need to have ENG S-OFF aswell (for flashing a better radio). I do not know if I achieved ENG S-OFF using only the gfree method (did I?). The only method I've seen is via ONE CLICK ENG S-OFF, via Visionary. I'd like to know a few things before I proceed.
Does installing Visionary on the phone, and turning ENG S-OFF via that method, cause any conflicts with gfree's permaroot? (seeing as the wiki suggest to not have Visionary installed) Does it have anything to do with the method I've used to permaroot?
And also, I would like to know what ENGINEERING HBOOT does, is it a second method to achieve ENG S-OFF? and if it's recommended over the Visionary way, considering I've achieved permaroot and RADIO S-OFF via gfree.
In case it is needed, my Build number is
Code:
1.32.405.6 CL278359
and Radio version is
Code:
12.28b.60.140eU_26.03.02.26_M
Thanks in advance!
boot into bootloader, (turn your device off, when off hold the volume down key and press power) at the top of the hboot screen it will either say "ACE PVT SHIP S-OFF" that is radio s-off. if it says "ACE PVT ENG S-OFF" thats eng s-off, if you only have radio s-off, you need to install an older 1.32 based htc rom with a stock kernel before you can use the eng s-off tool
Thanks for the reply!
Yep, it appears it is saying "ACE PVT SHIP S-OFF". But why do I need to install an older 1.32 ROM, I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere (except if the ROM is 1.7x)
Here's a quote from the One Click ENG S-OFF thread
jkoljo said:
It is best to use STOCK ROM (lower than 1.7x)!
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So I should qualify for using the tool, right? If not, could you tell me from where have you read that you must install an older 1.32 (I already have 1.32.405.6)
Yes, your build is compatible
Great, thanks for the replies!
I have ENG S-OFF, and will proceed to flash a new radio. Just to be on the safe side, should I do a backup via CWM? Does CWM also backup radios?
The backup does not include a radio, so it does not matter whether you do it or not. You can find all the radios here in XDA, so it is not a problem.
you can flash any radio you want.
you can find the recommended radio for Revolution Rom, in the Revolution post.
I'm using Android Revolution 2.0.11 with kkernel_v19cfs kernel (you can find it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=836259).
radio 12.35d.60.140f_26.06.03.24_M2
benchmark 2835
have a nice DHD flight

[Q] Relock to send back to Verizon

Hello, just a quick question. I had my One rooted, s-off, and unlocked when my microphone went. So I relocked, s-on, and flashed an RUU via http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2475216. Just making sure that before I pack it in the box, there is nothing else that could trip the people at Verizon that I had messed with my phone. I took the OTAs up to 4.3. I'm just paranoid about info not matching up such as the baseband version and build number etc. Thanks
Does the bootloader say locked or relocked? Locked is good relocked not so much. Other than that you should be fine. Ruu's wipe everything and install it all fresh, including the firmware (baseband, hboot, recovery, etc), so everything will match up.
In the bootloader I have "Locked" also s-on. I noticed though with the refurbished phone I received (not happy about having to get refurbished but thats besides the point) the CID number shows in the bootloader screen whereas on my original phone it is not displayed. Not sure if I even need to be this worried, but I'm just paranoid. Thanks
Are both phones on the same hboot version? I dont remember if it showed in older hboots or not. Either way i wouldn't worry, locked and s-on is all you need.
No they weren't. I'm just going to stop worrying too much about it. Thanks
If i send my phone back to verizon do i have to be on the original ROM? i understand that i need to lock my bootloader and have s-on, but what about the software itself?
It can be on stock rom/firmware of any version. Just no custom roms or anything.
Just to confirm, if I have a phone that is S-OFF, unlocked:
1. Do I need to lock the bootloader before flashing an RUU?
2. Does flashing an RUU revert the phone to S-ON?
3. Does anything special otherwise need to be done to the phone prior to flashing the RUU?
Thanks so much in advance.
I also have to return a phone to VZW due to a hardware issue (the autofocus issue finally too much for me to bear).
You only need to relock the bootloader if using a signed ruu. A decrypted ruu does not need it locked.
Flashing an ruu will not remove s-off or relock the bootloader. You can do it before or after, but i sugest after, that way if something goes wrong durring the ruu, you still have options.
Once you do the ruu you will be stock. So the only thing you would have to do is relock and go s-on.
Fantastically clear, Clumsco, thanks! Three quick additional questions
1. is there any advantage to flashing the signed RUU, and adding danger by locking the bootloader beforehand? In your links below your signature is a path to both decrypted and signed versions of the latest RUUs. So I thought to ask before going with one or the other. If there is no advantage then I guess the decrypted version would be the safer bet, right?
2. Is there a danger that locking after the RUU will result in a "relocked" versus the desired "Locked" status?
3. Will the RUU flash wipe my /sdcard area? If so I'll back everything up before embarking on this.
I VERY much appreciate the help. I ran rumrunner several months back and have forgotten a lot of the nuances. Thanks for the quick primer!
cmlusco said:
You only need to relock the bootloader if using a signed ruu. A decrypted ruu does not need it locked.
Flashing an ruu will not remove s-off or relock the bootloader. You can do it before or after, but i sugest after, that way if something goes wrong durring the ruu, you still have options.
Once you do the ruu you will be stock. So the only thing you would have to do is relock and go s-on.
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There is no difference between a signed and decrypted ruu other than what their names suggest. Ones signed ones not, both do the exact same thing to the phone.
You can lock the bootloader first. As long as you still have s-off, you have a saftey net. As long as your s-off you can change it to say what ever you want it to say. Locked, relocked, or unlocked.
Yes the ruu will wipe everything.
You will want to back up your sd.
Do the ruu.
Take the ota to kitkat.
Lock the bootloader.
Go s-on.
Thanks, everything worked. For future knowledge, can you flash signed RUU's with an S-ON device?
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There is no difference between a signed and decrypted ruu other than what their names suggest. Ones signed ones not, both do the exact same thing to the phone.
You can lock the bootloader first. As long as you still have s-off, you have a saftey net. As long as your s-off you can change it to say what ever you want it to say. Locked, relocked, or unlocked.
Yes the ruu will wipe everything.
You will want to back up your sd.
Do the ruu.
Take the ota to kitkat.
Lock the bootloader.
Go s-on.
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Yes and no. You can flash a signed ruu if s-on, but not one that is an older version than currently on the phone. It has to be the same or a newer version. This is an issue if your on kitkat, as we do not currently have a kk ruu available.
cmlusco said:
Yes and no. You can flash a signed ruu if s-on, but not one that is an older version than currently on the phone. It has to be the same or a newer version. This is an issue if your on kitkat, as we do not currently have a kk ruu available.
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I'm trying to learn here too, that is dependent on the hboot correct? So if you were to downgrade your hboot via the thread somewhere in the VZW HTC One forum, you should be able to flash any RUU right?
Technically yes, although as far as i know there is no way to do so while s-on and locked. In order to downgrade hboot you would need to have the bootloader unlocked. Since verizon does not let us use htcdev to unlock, it would be virtually imposible.
Your responses are clear and helpful. Thanks a bunch!
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Technically yes, although as far as i know there is no way to do so while s-on and locked. In order to downgrade hboot you would need to have the bootloader unlocked. Since verizon does not let us use htcdev to unlock, it would be virtually imposible.
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cmlusco said:
There is no difference between a signed and decrypted ruu other than what their names suggest. Ones signed ones not, both do the exact same thing to the phone.
You can lock the bootloader first. As long as you still have s-off, you have a saftey net. As long as your s-off you can change it to say what ever you want it to say. Locked, relocked, or unlocked.
Yes the ruu will wipe everything.
You will want to back up your sd.
Do the ruu.
Take the ota to kitkat.
Lock the bootloader.
Go s-on.
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My phone is current S-Off and relocked, how can I change it to unlocked?
Thank you.
UPDATE: Nevermind, I got it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470340

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