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1 week Desire: What's good, what's bad

Hi!
I thought I'll just give a little feedback after having the Desire for one week now, if anyone has any more infos or thoughts please post! I'm on a T-Mobile UK 18 month contract.
What's good:
- the screen is absolutely fantastic, pictures and especially HD videos look amazing
(I downloaded the Lady Gaga - Telephone 1080p version from Vevo, converted that to 800px width and when I first saw the video on screen I was actually speechless for a minute)
- the speed in general is great, it's like a little laptop
- internet surfing is great, especially when flipping through the animated browser windows
- the 3G speed is excellent, I always get 1.5 - 2 MB everywhere in central London and it's always an HSDPA connection on T-Mobile
- I'm very happy with the phone in general, since I saw Steve Jobs' presentation of the new iPhone OS I'm even happier, multitasking and the general UI doesn't look anywhere near as nice as HTC sense!
What's bad
- no app storage on SD cards (only when rooting etc.)
- the volume, especially when playing movies, is far too quiet when using the speakers or headphones. i can barely hear conversations when all volume controllers are on maximum. i was planning to use the Desire as a media player for long flights etc. because videos look totally amazing on the screen, but if I can't figure out a way to boost the volume without rooting etc. that's my biggest point of concern
- the app situation could be better, but i guess after summer/autumn this year so many people will have bought an Android phone that the demand will boost the development of new apps greatly, so I'll just be patient
I did send an email regarding the app storage on SD and the volume issue to HTC 3 days ago and I'm still waiting for an answer. Will post it here once I get it.
So if you have any points to add, or any infos regarding the above, please post!
Thanks
Dean

I see 1 problem and that's the app situation. There are plenty good but you're right not as much as there could be...but there will be.
The other 2 points will be fixed when root is public. Louder volume hack and apps2sd.
Root is simple. People always create a 1 click solution like they did on the HTC Tattoo.

Please see this thread for a whole list of what's bad.
But what's good about this device far outweighs all those bads

Try using in-ear headphones if the volume isn't loud enough. Technically the volume output will be the same/similar, but they'll block out most (if not all) of the background noise from your surroundings. Makes for a very clear and loud enough sound.

@ ephumuris
sorry i'm actually quite new to Android, what does "root going public" mean exactly, is that a solution where you won't destroy your warranty and can install apps2sd etc?
@ carrige
thanks for that, but i'm actually using in-ear headphones… mp3 music is fine, but movies are not loud enough. I was searching for headphones with a built in amplifier but couldn't find anything.

WIFI SUCK
THE WORST part, the WIFI setting and capability IS SUCK!
Unable to detect hidden WIFI??? Even my HTC HD is able to do that! damn...hopefully they can fix that in some ROM update.

kuailan said:
THE WORST part, the WIFI setting and capability IS SUCK!
Unable to detect hidden WIFI??? Even my HTC HD is able to do that! damn...hopefully they can fix that in some ROM update.
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I'm a bit curious, is it because of the weak ass antenna (ala iPad) or just ill coded firmware? Because if it's the former, there's nothing to do about it but replacing the handset...

What is that hidden WIFI?
kuailan said:
THE WORST part, the WIFI setting and capability IS SUCK!
Unable to detect hidden WIFI??? Even my HTC HD is able to do that! damn...hopefully they can fix that in some ROM update.
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kuailan said:
THE WORST part, the WIFI setting and capability IS SUCK!
Unable to detect hidden WIFI??? Even my HTC HD is able to do that! damn...hopefully they can fix that in some ROM update.
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If you mean can't detect if not broadcasting SSID then mine can. WiFi is pretty good on my Desire - No complaints.

If you mean can't detect if not broadcasting SSID then mine can. WiFi is pretty good on my Desire - No complaints.
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Mine is excellent with WiFi too, much better than expected.
Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

th3 said:
Mine is excellent with WiFi too, much better than expected.
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Same here, except that when using Wifi power saving, it sometimes refuses to reconnect to the AP, requiring a device reboot (or just leave the thing for 30 mins or so). Coverage is excellent, stability (once connected) seems excellent.
Question to the OP: why are you using hidden SSIDs anyway?

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Question to the OP: why are you using hidden SSIDs anyway?
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Indeed... If you're that paranoid a MAC filter does the job well enough.

Been using it 3 days now.
A minor design flaw I think is the non-hot-swappable SD card slot.
I have a Touch Pro and I've worked with the Legend where that is a feature.
But no biggie, really.

'Available networks' popup irritation

Is anyone else annoyed by the 'available networks' message that keeps cropping up when you're out of range of your home network?
I only really noticed it when I was abroad before, but now Orange & T-Mobile in the UK allow roaming between networks I'm getting it more often. I don't mind the triange & exclamation mark in the notification tray, it's the way it forces the pop-down network list to the foreground even when you are doing other things that really annoys me! For example when writing an email in an area that has only O2 reception (but WiFi) I get the pop-up every 15-30 seconds when typing meaning I have to keep hitting back, then tapping on the text again to continue entering data - incredibly frustrating!
Is anyone else been bothered by this? Anyone know if it's an HTC Sense issue or an Android one?
Thanks!

Are you talking about your phone picking up open Wifi connections, 3G Bluetooth? honestly im struggling to understand what you are talking about

To disable new wifi notification:
Main screen - menu - settings - Wireless&Networks - Wi-fi settings - uncheck network notofication.
Or - disable wifi when you not use it...
C'mon - isn't this too simple?

I get that when I'm playing angry birds all the time, so annoying, not found any way to stop it.
If I know I'm going somewhere with low signal I turn off mobile data. I think out happens when the phone tries to access the internet,for me anything with adverts in causes it.
Edit: It's nothing to so with wifi.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

woody_2k said:
Are you talking about your phone picking up open Wifi connections, 3G Bluetooth? honestly im struggling to understand what you are talking about
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No sorry, nothing to do with WiFi - it's the mobile networks that aree the problem. There's no mobile reception for most networks, so it keeps popping up a notification offering this one network (that I can't connect to). However this notification keeps getting in the way of doing other things (it's not just an icon that appears, it's a whole dtop-down message).
Does that make any more sense??
Thanks

remmyhi said:
To disable new wifi notification:
Main screen - menu - settings - Wireless&Networks - Wi-fi settings - uncheck network notofication.
Or - disable wifi when you not use it...
C'mon - isn't this too simple?
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Nice try, but it's nothing to do with WiFi

I know exactly what you mean mate. Being at university, the lecture theatres don't like to pick up signal from Orange (which I'm on) and my phone decided to pick T-Mobile signal instead. Frustrating when I've been using my phone with DocumentsToGo for lecture notes also.
Best thing I've ever done is switch from a Sense Rom to an AOSP Rom, more specifically Oxygen 1.0.4 Froyo (I'm not a fan of Gingerbread), and I don't get any of the notifications to say that its switching networks now, does it automatically and keeps me a happy bunny. Oh and the Rom is great too, battery life is near on 24 hours without SetCPU and with moderate usage.
I know this doesn't help but that's what I found to help me!
Dan
Swyped from my Deoxygenated HTC Desire

Hmm, interesting - does sound like more of a Sense issue then rather than a stock Android one, might try raising it with HTC support.

Might as well. And you never know, they might listen!
Swyped from my Deoxygenated HTC Desire

Have found a little bit more about this - it seems to mainly be a problem when you've used 'Select network' rather than 'Search automatically' - this is something I've been doing more due to the Orange/T-Mobile network merger. Where I work it's sometimes more reliable to get it to switch onto Orange and stay there, but this is perhaps why it's now coming up with the problem. I still think it's bad UI design to have a pop-up that forces itself to the foreground every 30s or so! (although probably made worse by Android usually handling pop-ups much more gracefully than other mobile OSes thanks to the notification tray!)

Is anyone juggling both Android and WP7?

I'm asking since I'm gonna be picking up a Dell Venue Pro (again) I been using Android for a while and I enjoy it. The thing I love the most is the integration with gmail and calendars. Being able to open my calendar on my Macbook and for it to automatically update my calendar on my Droid Pro is convenient. From what I remember, WP7 should sync up the calendar with your gmail account but I'm wondering if theres anyone out there that is able to balance using both phones? For example, I want to be able to write down notes on one phone and for somehow that carry over to my Dell Venue Pro. There was a program called AK Notepad for Android and whatever notes I'd write down on my Droid Pro, I'd be able to access on my Nexus One.

I still carry around my Nexus One without SIM...just because Android allows me to do many things I still cannot with my Optimus 7... so for now, at least until Mango update, I will be carrying two phones.

I have several android devices to play with but still carry my surround as my every day phone. I like both. As to having full cloud based sharing on multiple platforms? I don't think they play that nice quite yet

MO3iusONE said:
For example, I want to be able to write down notes on one phone and for somehow that carry over to my Dell Venue Pro. There was a program called AK Notepad for Android and whatever notes I'd write down on my Droid Pro, I'd be able to access on my Nexus One.
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Apparently Evernote (http://www.evernote.com/) is almost ready for Windows Phone 7, which should allow you to create/access notes on pretty much every platform out there.

Try using cloud based apps. It's pretty easy between iPhone and Android, or Android and Android.
It's not that easy with WP7 because we don't have too many apps right now. Looking forward to it!

Juggling between a samsung focus and hopefully in a few hours a galaxy s2. Until mango, the galaxy s2 will be my main phone tho

I have both.
Actually the fact that many users use both speaks for itself....
Anyway I have both of them and ditched WP7 because carrying two devices to do the same thing is kinda nonsense.
There's nothing WP7 does Android can't do
However there are tons of things Android does while WP7 just can't.
WP7 may be very appealing in some scenarios.

Just write your notes in the gmail calendar and sync it on both devices, that's what I do, works like a charm.
/J

jontatas said:
Just write your notes in the gmail calendar and sync it on both devices, that's what I do, works like a charm.
/J
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That's actually so simple.
Plus on Android you can send to calendar notes from Note Everything

I also have my wildfire without sim and my htc trophy. I don't now if i will keep the trophy. I am giving it some time to convince me. I am carrying 2 phones for now. One of the most annoying things in windows phone 7 is that the wifi sleeps when the screen is off, so nothing that syncs (gmail, gtalk, calendar, etc)...syncs! Microsoft says its "by design", well i don't like it. Maybe after the Mango update.

aposva said:
One of the most annoying things in windows phone 7 is that the wifi sleeps when the screen is off, so nothing that syncs (gmail, gtalk, calendar, etc)...syncs! Microsoft says its "by design", well i don't like it. Maybe after the Mango update.
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I'm not a big wifi user but the same thing happens with bluetooth and it's so disgustingly annoying!! I will be streaming music to my car radio using bluetooth and when a song ends while the screen is off, the phone will automatically disconnect the bluetooth connection and I have to go back to settings and reconnect it and why is bluetooth always searching and discoverable??? What, they couldn't add another slider to switch discovery mode on and off so I don't have to see 50 headsets on my list??
I'm not a power user so i don't need all the fancy stuff Android can do. WP7 is great for me as I mainly use exchange and office, but it's the stupid little details that get you frustrated!

PG2G said:
Apparently Evernote (http://www.evernote.com/) is almost ready for Windows Phone 7, which should allow you to create/access notes on pretty much every platform out there.
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OneNote Exists for WP7 and you can view it in a browser. EverNote has too many restrictions for how much data you can transfer, and it requires yet another account creation (ugh!).
Android phones usually come with a memo app (my Vibrant has it), and they typically allow you to send notes via SMS/MMS, Email, etc.

I carry both an HD7 and a Vibrant with Active SIMs in them everywhere. I put my Unlimited Data SIM in my HD7 when I got it because of Zune Pass, but I'm about to switch it back to my Vibrant.
Audio Quality on the Vibrant is 200% better than on the HD7. You basically need headsets with the HD7. The Vibrant's sound can fill a decent sized room. Call and Speaker Phone quality ... the comparison is the same. Vibrant is wildly superior. It's like comparing a surround sound system to a pocket radio...
The HD7 is useless as a phone comapred to the Vibrant. The signal is consistently 2 bars lower and call quality is more volatile. I feel like I'm in the middle of New York on an AT&T iPhone 4 when I'm on the HD7. The Vibrant performs flawlessly.
The HD7 is only useful as a PMP IF you have a decent pair of headsets or a BT Jabra device with FM transmitter in your car (like I do).
The terrible speaker and cell radio in this thing is already enough to relegate it to backup status, but there is the issue of Apps and Services integration.
Android has better apps. After heavy use of both phones. The Android versions perform better and are more stable as well. Twitter for WP7 (even Birdsong) and Twitter for Android... the Android version runs circles around it. Same for Facebook. LinkedIn doesn't exist for WP7.
No decent IM Applications. Half-baked MMS. Can't send Videos off the device via MMS or Email.
A phone can be made better (maybe the DVP has better speakers than the HD7, and a better radio with better data speeds and call quality), but the OS is half-baked and puts way too many limitations on what you, or any app can do. This means there is a definite roadblock IRT functionality that anyone can hit on WP7 that isn't possible on some other platforms.
In addition to that, there are a ton of applications that are missing from the market, and those that are coming (that matter) won't be here for another 6 months or so.
If I was "upgrading" from a dumb/feature phone it probably wouldn't be an issue. But coming from WM/Android/WebOS and having used iPhones more than enough... It's unacceptable as a daily driver.
It has all the detriments of an AT&T iPhone in New York (poor reception/call quality/wildly flunctuating signal strength that never goes above 3 bars even standing under a 3G tower) with none of the benefits (High Quality Apps, Services Integration, Top Apps). In addition to that, the Audio Quality makes it hit and miss even as a ZuneHD replacement, and the Codec Support is just not cute compared to something like a Galaxy S device. There is no DLNA capability, either. Battery Life is not better than an iOS/Android device, so that's not an advantage.
Disclaimer: Some of these issues (in particular the reception/call quality problems) may be an issue with the phone and not the OS itself - but T-Mobile only sells one WP7 device in carrier stores so take that for what it's worth. One other person I know has an HD7 and when I asked him how he likes it he responded (I'm quoting him word for work...) "The call quality is ****, but it's okay I guess." So I'm pretty sure it's not due to having a lemon device

crav4speed said:
I'm not a big wifi user but the same thing happens with bluetooth and it's so disgustingly annoying!! I will be streaming music to my car radio using bluetooth and when a song ends while the screen is off, the phone will automatically disconnect the bluetooth connection and I have to go back to settings and reconnect it and why is bluetooth always searching and discoverable??? What, they couldn't add another slider to switch discovery mode on and off so I don't have to see 50 headsets on my list??
I'm not a power user so i don't need all the fancy stuff Android can do. WP7 is great for me as I mainly use exchange and office, but it's the stupid little details that get you frustrated!
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I don't use BT much but I understand the frustration, however the entire platform has been launched under the premise that it's not static or even completed as far as I understand. And given the track record of how MS usually deliver products (a main product and then many "hotfixes" and service packs) I expect most of these small things will be fixed in time.
Still annoying that they manage to miss such apparent things.
/J

aposva said:
I also have my wildfire without sim and my htc trophy. I don't now if i will keep the trophy. I am giving it some time to convince me. I am carrying 2 phones for now. One of the most annoying things in windows phone 7 is that the wifi sleeps when the screen is off, so nothing that syncs (gmail, gtalk, calendar, etc)...syncs! Microsoft says its "by design", well i don't like it. Maybe after the Mango update.
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Android does this as well, that's why some applications (like Trillian for Andorid) have a setting to keep WiFi on when the phone sleeps.
I actually prefer it that way. If the phone is charging the WiFi stays on, however. They do it to conserve battery life, and that was a good decision...

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Android does this as well, that's why some applications (like Trillian for Andorid) have a setting to keep WiFi on when the phone sleeps.
I actually prefer it that way. If the phone is charging the WiFi stays on, however. They do it to conserve battery life, and that was a good decision...
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Click Wi-Fi Settings, Menu button and go to advanced, change your policy to never sleep, hit menu again and save.

I know that. I was pointing out the default behavior, though

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I know that. I was pointing out the default behavior, though
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Well atleast the option is there unlike in Microfot's product.
BTW, in the areas where you might have a weak cellular data signal havung your phone connected to a Wi-Fi access point is morr power efficient netting better battery life.

Kind of surprised at the number of people with dual phones. I have a Surround and an Inspire 4G. Before I upgraded to Gingerbread, the Inspire 4G was just so damned choppy, I couldn't really use it for long before I was ready to throw it. Now, it is my primary phone. My Surround has so-so build quality and much more limited functionality. I certainly wish for turn-by-turn directions via Bing maps. NoDo has made it much more fun to use as a communication tool with C&P, and it's smooth as can be. If my work would get the Exchange server up and running instead of using a third party host, I could see it being my primary phone. Until then, its all Android.

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Well atleast the option is there unlike in Microfot's product.
BTW, in the areas where you might have a weak cellular data signal havung your phone connected to a Wi-Fi access point is morr power efficient netting better battery life.
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with an HD7 that would be everywhere, becuase the radio is so terrible it can never go above 3 bars even if I'm standing under an HSPA+ radio. My Vibrant's radio is 100% better.
I cannot use the HD7 as a phone, it's just too terrible. I only use it to play music these days and after I ETF one of these lines in a month or two I'll probably think hard about getting rid of it - probably just enough to cover the ETF fee, of a bit less than that...

Coming from Xperia X10a and have some questions

Hi all,
Just got a Galaxy S II X from Telus to replace my charging disabled X10a. I've got most things moved over, but I have some questions:
1. on the x10a, I was able to do voicedial over bluetooth, using the google dialer app, without a data connection (I have no data plan). Is this possible on the S II X, and how?
2. Loving the hi rez video, but noticing problems with focusing (no focus spot, nor option for infinity, etc.) and with shake reduction (inferior enough to x10a that I'm not sure its working) Are there fixes for this?
Still messing with stuff so I'm sure I'll find more.
Thanks!
Statik

you can turn on the auto focus and anti shake feature in the camera / record app settings
voice dialing, it can use either google voice dial or vlingo, but AFAIK both uses internet connection, they will probably still run even without the internet
just try it and find out
there's always an app for that in the market if those 2 can't do it off line

I've turned both on. I can see the focus trying but there doesn't seem to be a real focal point or a focal lock. In a large room with a person in the middle of the room, it hunts between mid focus and infinity.
I've tried both. Without internet neither works. This is disappointing as it worked fine on the x10 using the stock google voice dial.
Still investigating.
Thanks!
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So, I found a nice, free, offline voice dialer for my phone that works over bluetooth. The only trouble is that Samsung have locked us into Vlingo from the voicedial headset command. I saw one thread that involved a fairly in depth rooting and mod scenario to change the dialer. Is there an easier solution to change just this one thing?
Thanks!

Greydesk said:
So, I found a nice, free, offline voice dialer for my phone that works over bluetooth. The only trouble is that Samsung have locked us into Vlingo from the voicedial headset command. I saw one thread that involved a fairly in depth rooting and mod scenario to change the dialer. Is there an easier solution to change just this one thing?
Thanks!
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you can freeze it or uninstall vlingo with Titanium Backup, which requires root

Some strange AT&T One X oddities

Just got my One X from AT&T the other day.. Cancelled my Verizon contract to come over to this phone, came from an iPhone 4s.
This isn't my first rodeo when it comes to Android devices, I sampled just about every VZW device they offered.
After playing with the One X for a few days, I have noticed a couple things; one of which I think is a software bug.
1. Sometimes the WiFi doesn't disconnect, or realize that it is no longer in range of a connected access point. This morning for example, when I got to work it thought I was still connected to my home access point and as such wouldn't connect to the work access point, until I manually went into the WiFi settings. It's almost like a background process stopped and didn't start up again until I did something.
2. The HTC Sense integration with Facebook is really cool, however, even though I told it *not* to show any contacts on my contact list, when I sync my phone with my car's bluetooth system, it downloads not only the contacts I want to see, but all of my Facebook contacts also. Any way to use the FB integration but truly not download/present the contacts to a bluetooth device?
So far, I am really liking the phone. The screen is absolutely amazing and I really, really like what Sense 4 has added. I had a Rezound with the ICS rom on it, but you can definitely tell that HTC took a lot of feedback coming from the older versions of Sense and incorporated it into Sense 4.

This isn't the forum for the AT&T One X. It's over here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1539

Scumbag AT&T naming strikes again

wrong forum pal

Crap, sorry guys.