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Nokia official Q4 sales are out. Long story short, after being introduced in limited markets Nov 2011, Lumia sales are over a million units.
Not a bad start.
Edit: Removed 800 from thread title and body. Sales are for Lumia line and not only 800.
No, that's for the 710 and 800 combined.
" He said Nokia has sold “well over” 1 million such devices since the launch of the Lumia line in the fourth quarter, in line with company expectations.
Including other models, Nokia sold 19 million smartphones in the quarter. By comparison, Apple sold 37 million iPhones in the same period."
Lumina 710 and 800 combined 1 million.
N9: 1.4 million
N8: over 4 million
Nokia total losses: over 1 billion
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It was "well over" 1 million, whatever that means. Where did you see N9 numbers? I didn't see any mention of them in the report.
vetvito said:
No, that's for the 710 and 800 combined.
" He said Nokia has sold “well over” 1 million such devices since the launch of the Lumia line in the fourth quarter, in line with company expectations.
Including other models, Nokia sold 19 million smartphones in the quarter. By comparison, Apple sold 37 million iPhones in the same period."
Lumina 710 and 800 combined 1 million.
N9: 1.4 million
N8: over 4 million
Nokia total losses: over 1 billion
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Oh I am sorry, you are right. I thought the Lumia 710 came out this year. When exactly did the 710 launch? All I see is december.
This is an assumption, but could the Lumia 710 be responsible for much of those $1 plus million sales given the short window of launch?
Depends on which country. I think it was December.
Still in one month that ain't bad. it already has 45% of the Windows phone total sales and ATT in the states still doesn't have a nokia yet. only tmobile. (much smaller provider).
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nokia-Reports-954M-Loss-for-Q4-2011-248868.shtml
Today, Finnish mobile phone maker Nokia announced its financial results for the fourth quarter of last year, and posted a €954 million ($1.25 billion) profit loss for the timeframe.
Moreover, the company announced that its total loss for the last year was of €1.073 billion ($1.4 billion). Compared to the previous year, the company’s profits went down 43 percent.
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I think the numbers show the clear picture of where Nokia was heading and why Symbian was not the answer. I believe the only thing that is debateable is if Nokia should have gone Android vs Windows Phone.
Nokia got paid handsomely for choosing Windows Phone. Nokia will be the king of that platform, like Samsung is of Android (with HTC close just like WP). Maybe they should have done both Android and Windows Phone.
I think only time will tell where the WP road leads them. But I think I would have done the same thing Nokia did.
They shouldn't do Android. They should've focused on Meego and kept updating Symbian a very long time ago, and offered Windows Phone alongside their other offerings.
Why do people say RIM should do Android? That's silly.
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vetvito said:
They shouldn't do Android. They should've focused on Meego and kept updating Symbian a very long time ago, and offered Windows Phone alongside their other offerings.
Why do people say RIM should do Android? That's silly.
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I have a question about the Nexus S Vet. Thinking about getting one (the i9020A for the ATT bands) Do you check PMs?
Completely off topic but this is RIMs problem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aFYuvUv_B8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I can't do nothing but laugh.
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I have a question about the Nexus S Vet. Thinking about getting one (the i9020A for the ATT bands) Do you check PMs?
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Yeah, and it really depends on your price.
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According to the resellers of Lumia phones... It has sold better than N8 and N9.
“Lumia 800 sales is not comparable with the iPhone 4S, but it mixes with the mobiles that sell best on the market currently, it has also sold better than the N8 and N9 at launch, and it also sells better than other manufacturers do when there’s a new product, “says sales director Michael Bech from Telia.
“We have since Friday experienced the same demand, as shown by the introduction of the iPhone 4S. Lumia 800 has sold more than three times as much as number two on our sales charts, “Morten Steen Jensen, purchasing manager at TDC.
But then again... Lumia only started off on 6 markets... So I guess the estimated 1,3 million sold units aint too shabby.
nicksti said:
Nokia official Q4 sales are out. Long story short, after being introduced in limited markets Nov 2011, Lumia 800 sales are over a million units.
Not a bad start.
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nice
not bad at all
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I wonder if "sales" represented shipped devices to retailers or actual customer sales ? (You know how things are at times)
Also, I ran across this on my mail aggregator and just thought.... WOW:
http://m.tomshardware.com/news/Microsoft-Nokia-Windows-Phone-7-Deal-Partnership-money,14564.html
When Nokia and Microsoft last year revealed a strategic partnership that would see the former use Windows Phone 7 as its primary smartphone OS, it was obvious what Nokia stood to gain from the deal. The Finnish company, once a king in the cell phone industry, was struggling in the smartphone space. The company needed a smartphone OS that already had an established user base and the support and apps necessary for growth. However, this wasn't a one-sided deal. Though Nokia has been less than successful in the smartphone market, the company has a lot of brand loyalty, and the partnership offered Microsoft the chance to reach millions more customers. As it turns out, Microsoft paid rather a lot for this privilege.
Though both parties have remained quiet about the financial details of their agreement for the better part of a year, information was revealed by Nokia yesterday during a quarterly earnings call. According to Nokia's Q4 results, which were released this week, Microsoft paid Nokia $250 million to use Windows Phone 7. Described by Nokia as a "platform support payment," this isn't a one time thing. According to SlashGear's Chris Davies, who was first to pick up on the figure, there will be more payments made by Microsoft. The eventual figure is thought to be more than one billion dollars.
"Our broad strategic agreement with Microsoft includes platform support payments from Microsoft to us as well as software royalty payments from us to Microsoft," Nokia said in its results. "We have a competitive software royalty structure, which includes minimum software royalty commitments."
So far we know next to nothing about what Nokia is paying Microsoft, but Nokia did say that over the life of the agreement "both the platform support payments and minimum software royalty commitments are expected to measure in the billions of US dollars.
Nokia also confirmed yesterday that it has sold more than a million Lumia handsets, as predicted by analysts earlier this week.
Look at like this:
Go with Android and get sued by Microsoft and still be in decline
Or
Go with Windows Phone and get paid by Microsoft.
Not a hard decision.
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Look at like this:
Go with Android and get sued by Microsoft and still be in decline
Or
Go with Windows Phone and get paid by Microsoft.
Not a hard decision.
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This. Plus the quite obvious fact that on Android you can't push out single core 3.7" phones and get away with it, it would have costed them a lot more also in terms of hardware, they would have been risking too much.
vetvito said:
Look at like this:
Go with Android and get sued by Microsoft and still be in decline
Or
Go with Windows Phone and get paid by Microsoft.
Not a hard decision.
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vnvman said:
This. Plus the quite obvious fact that on Android you can't push out single core 3.7" phones and get away with it, it would have costed them a lot more also in terms of hardware, they would have been risking too much.
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I'm also sure the decision came down to "Put complete crap on our phones" or "Put a masterpiece" - I'm sure glad they chose the masterpiece
Time to make the doughnu....oh wait, clean the thread again...
FiyaFleye said:
I'm also sure the decision came down to "Put complete crap on our phones" or "Put a masterpiece" - I'm sure glad they chose the masterpiece
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You are being a little extreme Fiya. If Android was complete crap then why are so many people buying them?
I do agree that Nokia made a overall strategic business decision to buy into Windows Phone that was sweetened by Microsoft.
Yes, it would have costed Nokia a bit more to introduce the Lumia 800 Android; they would have had to given it SGS2 specs for it to be a flagship phone in that ecosystem but the sales would have been astronomical! But I guarantee you Apple would have been quickly knocking at their door with legal documents (Nokia successfully sued Apple in 2007 for patent infringements).
The best thing for Nokia would be to keep doing S40 phones, Windows Phones, and if Android gets past the suits Android phones as well.
Vetvito: Well... Use Microsoft techs in your OS (Android) and expect to pay for it, or pay for Microsofts tech straight away... It's an easy decision for me... But I don't manufacture any phones.
Why do you stay in the WP forums again? I haven't seen one single positive post about it... I (as a Detroit Red Wings fan) don't hang around Philadelphia Flyers-sites and post about every negative aspect I can find about them... What's on your agenda really? Jealosy?
Why do Android sell? Price and impressive specs.
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...-details/index.jsp?q_sku=sku5870225#tabModule
It is very encouraging to see the reviews from majority of iOS and android users who have decided to purchase the Lumia 900 and are excited about it. The ease of use, the simplicity of the functionality and the different style of OS from what they have known since iOS and android had been in the market.
Most of the reviews talk about how they decided to try the phone and just fell in love with the OS. Promoting awareness and suppressing ignorance for the windows phone will get people to love this OS as I also did.
What windows phone brings to the table is something new and 'different' that people who have been tired of the same 'ol style of iOS and android want a change and many users see that change in windows phone.
"Majority of ios and android users" ?
Well, ok, it sounds good. Then I stumbled onto this just this morning, which sounds just as credible:
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/artic...oft_has_only_sold_3_5_million_wp7_phones_ever
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"Majority of ios and android users" ?
Well, ok, it sounds good. Then I stumbled onto this just this morning, which sounds just as credible:
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/artic...oft_has_only_sold_3_5_million_wp7_phones_ever
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Most likely it comes from your habit of "selective reading"?
The OP clearly wrote : "see the reviews from majority of iOS and android users who have decided to purchase the Lumia 900 and are excited about it"
So clearly NOT "Majority of ios and android users" ?
If majority of those users that Google activates (over 800,000 Android devices every single day) when use WP, they find it exciting and rate it 5 star.
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"Majority of ios and android users" ?
Well, ok, it sounds good. Then I stumbled onto this just this morning, which sounds just as credible:
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/artic...oft_has_only_sold_3_5_million_wp7_phones_ever
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Majority of the users who tried out windows phone, not majority of users who own iPhone and Android OS.
"A well-connected" Microsoft reporter?? Well, honestly I don't blame Microsoft for holding back on the numbers because most end users are so naive when it comes to understanding what phone to get. They could easily go with the crowd. Comparing numbers would not help to win end users over. The OS is still fairly new.
Ofcourse iPhone and android sales surpass windows phone sales any day any time, but comparing those stats would not help people looking for a new phone. The launch date of all three platforms are different. Windows Phone with the most recent. So one cannot use such stats to judge the success of a phone. A lot of people go with iPhone and android and nothing else because that's what they're used to. Not because they understand the technology behind the phone or the processing capabilities or the resolution, its just because that's what everyone is talking about.
Hence, the Nokia/AT&T Lumia 900 marketing strategy is just another way for people to be aware of the WP and Nokia's re-emergence in the industry.
By this fall 2012, we should experience Windows Phone in a newer dimension with Windows Phone 8.
Now articles like this excite me the more...
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120410-704283.html
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Majority of the users who tried out windows phone, not majority of users who own iPhone and Android OS.
"A well-connected" Microsoft reporter?? Well, honestly I don't blame Microsoft for holding back on the numbers because most end users are so naive when it comes to understanding what phone to get. They could easily go with the crowd. Comparing numbers would not help to win end users over. The OS is still fairly new.
Ofcourse iPhone and android sales surpass windows phone sales any day any time, but comparing those stats would not help people looking for a new phone. The launch date of all three platforms are different. Windows Phone with the most recent. So one cannot use such stats to judge the success of a phone. A lot of people go with iPhone and android and nothing else because that's what they're used to. Not because they understand the technology behind the phone or the processing capabilities or the resolution, its just because that's what everyone is talking about.
Hence, the Nokia/AT&T Lumia 900 marketing strategy is just another way for people to be aware of the WP and Nokia's re-emergence in the industry.
By this fall 2012, we should experience Windows Phone in a newer dimension with Windows Phone 8.
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My apologies, what mobile version rendered very little correctly other than the headline.
The interesting bit is the number of likes vs the number of reviewers. I wonder how porportio.nate that is for the industry.
According to well-connected Microsoft reporter Mary Jo Foley, the company has only sold 3.5 million Windows Phone 7 devices, to date.
Thats a load of Bo*****s! I've bought about 30 different Wp7 handsets alone
Never believe the media, They tell you only what you NEED to know.
With the release of WP8 and cutoff of supports for the current WP7 lineups, MS just shot themselves in the foot by doing two things:
_ Introduce fragmentation: now developers have to work extra harder to support both the existing WP7.x customers and the new WP8 customer base.
_ Piss off and alienating all the customers that have been with MS through ups and downs: note that this is more important because WP has never been popular, most people will either get an Android or iPhone and only the loyal and diehards get WP7. With this announcement, MS has effectively give all its loyal users the middle finger. For users who haven't abandoned WP despite being shafted by the whole HD2 and WM6.5 fiasco, this will be the LAST STRAW, trust me.
A bit about my phone history, I have had an HD2, a Samsung Focus and a Dell Venue Pro but no more, I will not give M$ another chance. Trick me once, shame on you, trick me twice shame on me. History will repeat itself, MS will once again abandon users of WP8 and WP8.5 when announcing WP9. The only ones who haven't realized this is the die-hard MS fanboys who are keep on coming back to M$ no matter how bad M$ treats them.
Heed my advices, give other platforms a try and use this as a breakup point for this abusive relationship. M$ doesn't deserve your money and your time. Use that money to buy something that will be properly supported and more importantly you will be treated like a valuable customer.
that is what i'm planning to do, the WP7.5 market is still under 100k apps if i'm not mistaken, if i'm a developer, do i actually continue to make SW for the 7.5 or 8 group? if i start producing for 8, how much customer base does M$ gonna guarantee to have? i'm switching back to android for my next phone, but for the time being, i'll still use the 900 for some period of time coz i actually like the design... but M$ just gave another reason for developer NOT to develop apps for them...
darren486 said:
that is what i'm planning to do, the WP7.5 market is still under 100k apps if i'm not mistaken, if i'm a developer, do i actually continue to make SW for the 7.5 or 8 group? if i start producing for 8, how much customer base does M$ gonna guarantee to have? i'm switching back to android for my next phone, but for the time being, i'll still use the 900 for some period of time coz i actually like the design... but M$ just gave another reason for developer NOT to develop apps for them...
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TROLLS.....Ask yourself this question:
If you have a 3GS iphone with IOS 5 is it the same as the 4s??
MS will update all phones but if you don't have the hardware to take full advantage of OS it is NOT their fault.
Apple, Android and everybody else do the same...
Enough with this iPhone 3GS BS, the 3GS is over 3 years old. How long are you fanboys going to use that as an excuse to justify how the Lumia users were treated ?
If you want to compare, let's compare iPhone 4. iPhone 4 was released in 2010 but they are still supported, they have the iOS 5 and will be able to take advantage of the iOS 6 kernel. You don't see iPhone 4 was made obsolete and cannot run iOS 5 or iOS 6 application.
Stop fooling yourself and wake up. If you don't want to wake up, suit yourself. I am out of this rocky boat and will move to where I will be treated better.
Apple still omits some features from older phones when a new version of iOS is released. iOS 5 was released and the iPhone 4 didn't get Siri, however that phone is fully capable of running Siri. Talk about getting screwed.
Android users a lot of times don't even get the updates they need, it all depends on the device they have, and new/replacement Android phones are released at an insane rate as well.
By the time WP8 is released the Lumia will be roughly 7-8 months old.
I don't think Lumia 900 owners are totally getting screwed.
I am glad Microsoft will be adding some of features the Lumia 900 will be able to run efficiently. Otherwise adding full blown WP8 to the device may bog it down and it will run terrible.
The Lumia 900 also lacks the hardware for some of the new features such as NFC. Why add these software features to a phone that cannot take advantage of them.
This is how Apple, Google and Microsoft all do business.
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Enough with this iPhone 3GS BS, the 3GS is over 3 years old. How long are you fanboys going to use that as an excuse to justify how the Lumia users were treated ?
If you want to compare, let's compare iPhone 4. iPhone 4 was released in 2010 but they are still supported, they have the iOS 5 and will be able to take advantage of the iOS 6 kernel. You don't see iPhone 4 was made obsolete and cannot run iOS 5 or iOS 6 application.
Stop fooling yourself and wake up. If you don't want to wake up, suit yourself. I am out of this rocky boat and will move to where I will be treated better.
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Very well said and the Lumia is way newer than older iPhone models that still got big chunks of the updates.
If Microsoft released WP8 for the Lumia and the phone couldn't handle it and ran sluggish people would *****, instead they are releasing WP 7.8 for it and people are *****ing.
No matter what Microsoft does, people are going to whine about it.
Welcome to the world of tech. If you are always worried about not having the latest and greatest, then you'd spend your time waiting for the next great device 3-6 months from now and you'd never buy a phone.
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You don't see iPhone 4 was made obsolete and cannot run iOS 5 or iOS 6 application.
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Except that is exactly what is happening. It can't run every iOS 6 feature, including the headlining turn-by-turn navigation. It can't even run the headline iOS 5 feature, that's iPhone 4S exclusive too.
If Microsoft had just basically lied and called this the Windows Phone 8 update with some missing features, there would be no uproar. But because they opted not to take the Apple route, everyone's got their knickers in a twist.
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Except that is exactly what is happening. It can't run every iOS 6 feature, including the headlining turn-by-turn navigation. It can't even run the headline iOS 5 feature, that's iPhone 4S exclusive too.
If Microsoft had just basically lied and called this the Windows Phone 8 update with some missing features, there would be no uproar. But because they opted not to take the Apple route, everyone's got their knickers in a twist.
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I agree , the iphone 4 and 4S ,won't have NFC features ... No android phone has gotten an update in a timely fashion. Nokia and Ms are on top of it.
Plus with WP there is no need for Dual core and sd cards that is reserved for memory hogs with leaks , I won't mention names.
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With the release of WP8 and cutoff of supports for the current WP7 lineups...
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I stopped reading your uninformed rant right there. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the subject matter if you want people to take you seriously.
And every new iPhone comes out with 1 or two new exclusive features while the rest comes to older generations because of their appropriately phrased "hardware upgrade". WP is what? New generation has many new features while older generations get maybe 1 or 2 new things? Now if you think Apple is doing it wrong and MS is doing the right thing, it's time to look at sales chart and consumer satisfaction. Oh maybe you still think MS is right and ignore that very few people are with you on this boat.
Android, on the other hand, is well known for its fragmentation in update, everyone is aware of it. The deal is, Gingerbread is almost complete. Android is like an arm race "may the most powerful phone win" kind of thing. Android never boasts about update but the Nexus line did get its update. Had MS had enough balls to confirm the fate of the Lumia 900 before its launch, I doubt the sexy phone would have seen the light of day. Now if WP8 announces another type of marketplace, that would mean a death certificate has been signed for WP7.
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Except that is exactly what is happening. It can't run every iOS 6 feature, including the headlining turn-by-turn navigation. It can't even run the headline iOS 5 feature, that's iPhone 4S exclusive too.
If Microsoft had just basically lied and called this the Windows Phone 8 update with some missing features, there would be no uproar. But because they opted not to take the Apple route, everyone's got their knickers in a twist.
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Enough with this iPhone 3GS BS, the 3GS is over 3 years old. How long are you fanboys going to use that as an excuse to justify how the Lumia users were treated ?
If you want to compare, let's compare iPhone 4. iPhone 4 was released in 2010 but they are still supported, they have the iOS 5 and will be able to take advantage of the iOS 6 kernel. You don't see iPhone 4 was made obsolete and cannot run iOS 5 or iOS 6 application.
Stop fooling yourself and wake up. If you don't want to wake up, suit yourself. I am out of this rocky boat and will move to where I will be treated better.
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if you want an iPhone, go buy an iPhone. But don't use wp8 as the excuse. Fanboy or no, any argument used to defend your point is wrong. Apple foes the same thing. Android is worse. So if you want an iPhone,go buy one. I hope you end up happy.
Ok, iPhone 4 might not be able to run all features available in iOS 6 but it has iOS 6 kernel and will be able to use all the apps made for iOS 6, what part of that do you guys not understand ?
Lumia 900 WILL NOT have the new kernel in WP8 and will be obsolete in a few months since it WILL NOT run apps made exclusively for WP8. Do you see iPhone 4 not being able to run any apps made exclusively for iPhone 4S ? Some features in iOS 6 are not included since any company has the right to reserve the latest and best features for their latest models. Everybody knows that.
Talking with you M$ fanboys is no better than talking to a brick. If you like the way you are treated, then good for you. Keep up supporting your beloved company, nobody is going to interfere. This thread is mainly for the new buyers or for the undecided to see how they have been f*cked by M$.
alodar1 said:
if you want an iPhone, go buy an iPhone. But don't use wp8 as the excuse. Fanboy or no, any argument used to defend your point is wrong. Apple foes the same thing. Android is worse. So if you want an iPhone,go buy one. I hope you end up happy.
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Wow I am speechless, this kind of ignorance is simply staggering. I was citing how Apple supports their customers, not a propaganda on why people should buy an iPhone.
And FYI, I WILL NOT buy an iPhone because I oppose Apple and their business practice. Instead, I will buy a Galaxy Nexus because I know I will be properly supported. Almost bought a Nokia Lumia 800 but luckily I didn't.
Already sold all my WP7 phones prior to the announcement since I had a bad feeling about it, luckily I did because people are dumping their phones on ebay now and Nokia Lumia 900 has been dropping in its value like crazy. If you don't believe me, check ebay. Have fun with your outdated and obsolete POS Nokia Lumia, folks.
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With the release of WP8 and cutoff of supports for the current WP7 lineups, MS just shot themselves in the foot by doing two things:
_ Introduce fragmentation: now developers have to work extra harder to support both the existing WP7.x customers and the new WP8 customer base.
_ Piss off and alienating all the customers that have been with MS through ups and downs: note that this is more important because WP has never been popular, most people will either get an Android or iPhone and only the loyal and diehards get WP7. With this announcement, MS has effectively give all its loyal users the middle finger. For users who haven't abandoned WP despite being shafted by the whole HD2 and WM6.5 fiasco, this will be the LAST STRAW, trust me.
A bit about my phone history, I have had an HD2, a Samsung Focus and a Dell Venue Pro but no more, I will not give M$ another chance. Trick me once, shame on you, trick me twice shame on me. History will repeat itself, MS will once again abandon users of WP8 and WP8.5 when announcing WP9. The only ones who haven't realized this is the die-hard MS fanboys who are keep on coming back to M$ no matter how bad M$ treats them.
Heed my advices, give other platforms a try and use this as a breakup point for this abusive relationship. M$ doesn't deserve your money and your time. Use that money to buy something that will be properly supported and more importantly you will be treated like a valuable customer.
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your premise already flawed. "Piss off and alienate all MS customers that have been through the UPS and downs"
I for one am neither pissed off nor alienated. I bought the first PPC v1 from MS. I've owned every version of windows mobile...several on fact. I've owned android and iPhones. I am NOT pissed off or alienated. And I count many, make that MANY people on XDA alone that are more like me, than you. I applause MS for drawing a line...so, so...i do not have problems trying to get 'NEXT' to run correctly in my phone. So my 'NEXT' phone can focus on running as well as it can. I also expect WP 9, or whatever to make the same hard choices.
I also know that as long as I keep my 900, it will be supported. It is not obsolete. It will only be obsolete when it stops being able to do what I bought it for. I know it will still be supported, long after I stop using it.
I respect your opinion. I respect your right to feel shafted. I respectfully say, you're wrong. This is still a great phone with a great future.
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Wow I am speechless, this kind of ignorance is simply staggering. I was citing how Apple supports their customers, not a propaganda on why people should buy an iPhone.
And FYI, I WILL NOT buy an iPhone because I oppose Apple and their business practice. Instead, I will buy a Galaxy Nexus because I know I will be properly supported. Almost bought a Nokia Lumia 800 but luckily I didn't.
Already sold all my WP7 phones prior to the announcement since I had a bad feeling about it, luckily I did because people are dumping their phones on ebay now and Nokia Lumia 900 has been dropping in its value like crazy. If you don't believe me, check ebay. Have fun with your outdated and obsolete POS Nokia Lumia, folks.
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man...why couldn't you have become speechless, before you wrong this reply. Leave, please. Buy whatever device you wish. That Samsung is surely the greatest plone in the word...including explosions and plastic case. Its predecessor proved just how great android is. Have fun...enjoy...and please don't reply..my pos lumia doesn't explode, but it might get offended considering the galaxy of information you've presented.
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Lumia 900 WILL be obsolete in a few months since it WILL NOT run apps made exclusively for WP8.
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Whether you agree with the guy or not, that is a very valid point he is making!
We all know how good a smartphone is nowadays without lots of apps. (Symbian, WebOS, etc...)
Why don't we all take a deep breath, relax, and see if the creative geniuses a.k.a xda developers can cook something up when WP8 comes out. Shall we?
AnyMal said:
Why don't we all take a deep breath, relax, and see if the creative geniuses a.k.a xda developers can cook something up when WP8 comes out. Shall we?
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With the way MS has everything closed, I am starting to lose my hope. If it were to rain, we'd start seeing clouds by now
if people keep whining about every os that they have on their phone. Why dont you build your own OS from scratch. Sell it to someone. Let them hear complain about your stuff. DEYMN!!!
Go back to Dumb phone era so you could stop complaining
I'm not happy. I was expecting a WP 8 update. I want to know, however, what features are WP 7 users really not getting in 7.8?
NFC? - Don't have the hardware
higher resolution/dual cores etc - Not an expert but I'm guessing this can't be done
Wallet Hub- Needs NFC anyway I would think.
Better multitasking - This one would be nice to have, but I wouldn't be surprised if they included better multi-tasking for the lumia 900...if not...that sucks
Better Camera app - wouldn't be surprised if we got this...if not...what more funtionality does the camera app really need? Nokia camera just came out with panorama shots...you can get apps with burst shots...what are really lacking?
Believe me, I'm not happy about any of this...the behind our backs marketing of lumia 900 as the non-beta phone etc etc...i think it's a scam....but...what arguement are we actually making? What else do you want to see in the WP 7.8 package? I'm not saying this to say "you're wrong" I'm asking this because I honestly don't know the answer. If the update comes with better multitasking, start screen, and the guarantee that apps will work the same on 7.8 as on wp8...and that none of these features will create lag on the phone...i will be perfectly content...then again I was content when my HTC aria go android 2.2...with no flash player capabilities...I don't think any of these damn companies have gotten their acts together...but I'm pissed Nokia went behind our backs not telling us the truth just to make a couple bucks.
This post talks about a lot of devices besides the Lumia and as a result it is a little long, so I've bolded the key points for speed readers
I went on vacation last week and come back to an uproar about current devices not getting Windows 8 Phone updates (better name ), and honestly I really don't understand the vastness of the unrest. I get the points people make, but the conclusions are way out there for me!
My family is reasonably well equipped technology wise. I have an Alienware m17x, a 1st gen iPad, a Nokia Lumia 900, and a PS3. My wife has a Mac Book Pro 15, an iPad 2, and an iPhone 4s. The kids are on a Gateway desktop with an i7 in the living room. The kids also have iPods, one has a Pantec phone, several DS and LeapFrog devices. Rounding it all out is a smart Logitec universal touch screen remote, a sling box, several access points and a Wii. For the most part, we each pick the device that suits us best and fits in the price range / budget we set.
We also have laying around, an old Mac Book Pro 13, an iPhone 3s, an iPod, an 8 year old Dell XPS desktop, an HTC HD7, a Samsung Focus, a Tilt and a Tilt II, and an old Palm Tungsten C. And of course several candy bar and flip phone cells and various MP3 players, language translators and hand-held game thingies.
There's no way in hell I can have all of these devices on the crest of the technology wave all at once, we just can't afford it (in fact, my wife isn't so thrilled with how well stocked we are now... but there are times she's very happy with it :laugh.
My next major purchase will be a Win8 Tablet. I absolutely need to replace the iPad for work - the thing is a toy. In my quest for the ultimate portable work slate / play device, nothing out there has attracted my attention. Lack of connectivity, poor performance, a craptacular crayon-style writing on the iPad, lack-luster hardware, and the fact that I would also like an 11 to 13-inch screen has kept my money in my pocket. Obviously, I'm holding out until Win8 and the right tablet is there (eying the Yoga Flip closely!).
With the announcement of smart glass at E3, the urge was to jump on the deals and grab an XBox 360. ESPECIALLY since I could hook up all those iOS and possible future 'droid devices too! But, without BluRay support, I'm not going to bother. And with the next tablet purchase coming later this year (fingers crossed the right one is there in the next 6 months...), and with the 720 being rumored for the holidays next year. I'm waiting on switching from PS to XBOX when the 720 comes out, assuming the next-gen PS doesn't keep me in Sony Land.
It should be noted that along with the smart glass upgrade, I'll be looking at my existing Yamaha receiver and possibly upgrading that as well - my 5 year old model is good enough, but there are improvements out there and better ways to hook up the living room 'rack' - so that's also factored into the actual cost.
Which brings me to my jumping on the Lumia the day after it was available: I bought the Lumia knowing the risks of not being Win8 ready. I took the other slant with this upgrade as opposed to my next game machine and PC/Slate/Untrabook. I was contract-ready with AT&T, the price was right (and a few days later it was $0 - but they had me at $99), it had just enough improvements over my HD7 to entice me, and I didn't see me waiting until Q4 2012 or even Q1 or 2 2013 to get the phone upgraded.
Maybe it's within the context of all of the technology purchases I've got going on in my life that the Lumia 900 is just right for me. It is, by far, hands down, the BEST phone I've ever had. Excellent battery life, excellent responsiveness, great connectivity, and much to my amazement: the BEST reception and call clarity I've ever experienced on a smart phone. (I'm the only one in our downtown MPLS building who can send and receive calls anywhere on the campus, and never loose my 4G data connection).
I've been shocked at the excellent support from Nokia app-wise, and firmware-wise, and am very happy for the WP community to benefit from further integration of Nokia apps for non-Nokia phones. This phone, which I use first and foremost as a mobile phone (this part just HAS to be rock-solid for me), for all my e-mail all day long, for my browsing, gaming / entertainment, news and feed reading, and music play back is perfect for me as-is. The WP 7.8 update is just extras I didn't even expect.
No regrets. None. Nil. Not even close. I've purchased too many phones, computers, tablets, and other odd-n-ends to expect today's buy to still be tomorrow's top device. It NEVER works that way. 1 month later, the next device is just around the corner. 2 months later, another OS has better devices and features. 6 months later (or less) a new device is on my network for WP with new features I can't get on my current device. I had no reason to expect this to be my last phone purchase :silly:
Bigger screen support, NFC, multi-core... duh. I mean DUH if you thought this device would stand up to next-gen hardware. If you have a Nokia 900 and are upset it isn't the model being released in 6 months then you've got a significant learning curve ahead of you for all the other things in your life that you'll be buying. No way around it - it doesn't feel good, but it's an obvious truth. To expect otherwise is to believe in a spaghetti monster living on the other side of the moon. Sorry, but it's true.
When I do upgrade my phone, it'll be Nokia and it'll be W8P (still a better name, even at the end of this post :angel and it'll be cutting edge when it's that device's turn to get the latest and greatest.
Sorry for the length of my post, but the negativity around here is just plain silly and not worth the effort (for those experiencing it, and those of us who have to sift through it to get to actual facts).
Edit: I should have added that I am VERY happy with the updates I will get for my existing hardware, and also that I'm VERY happy that W8P will not support existing hardware. My reasons are that the hardware is improving at an extraordinary rate, and when I do get my next device I'll have one that has an OS that isn't bogged down with backwards compatibility issues - something that plagued windows for so many years until the hardware leveled out.
So I am only going to comment on one part of your post which is that you will probably get the Nokia WP8 when it comes out. I think you should say if it comes out. Nokia only started doing really well with this handset. Now Microsoft and the. Continue to push a handset with no upgrade path after making big news of an upgrade.
I have seen this when I worked at a tech retail store. People plan to wait when upgrades are around the corner. It is why Microsoft free or minimal cost software upgrades on purchases bought before the upgrade. They are doing this with Windows 8 because they know it would slow down sales.
So hopefully Nokia survives because as you can see from the posts Microsoft has alienated a lot of people and it is Nokia and any other Gen 2 device manufacturers who stand to loose sales. Lucky for Samsung and HTC they have Android to fall back on unlike Nokia. The biggest thing is that many of these people are the ones who recommend tech to others and rightfully would not recommend a device 6 months old with no upgrade path.
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So I am only going to comment on one part of your post which is that you will probably get the Nokia WP8 when it comes out. I think you should say if it comes out. Nokia only started doing really well with this handset. Now Microsoft and the. Continue to push a handset with no upgrade path after making big news of an upgrade.
I have seen this when I worked at a tech retail store. People plan to wait when upgrades are around the corner. It is why Microsoft free or minimal cost software upgrades on purchases bought before the upgrade. They are doing this with Windows 8 because they know it would slow down sales.
So hopefully Nokia survives because as you can see from the posts Microsoft has alienated a lot of people and it is Nokia and any other Gen 2 device manufacturers who stand to loose sales. Lucky for Samsung and HTC they have Android to fall back on unlike Nokia. The biggest thing is that many of these people are the ones who recommend tech to others and rightfully would not recommend a device 6 months old with no upgrade path.
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Actually, only the un-happy are noisy. Most people I actually know and talk too either couldn't care less, or are perfectly fine with it. Nokia will be fine. MS will be fine. WP8, Win8, and XBox will be just fine. There are ALWAYS people who scream dooms-day, but it never comes. Everything is always just fine
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So I am only going to comment on one part of your post which is that you will probably get the Nokia WP8 when it comes out. I think you should say if it comes out. Nokia only started doing really well with this handset. Now Microsoft and the. Continue to push a handset with no upgrade path after making big news of an upgrade.
I have seen this when I worked at a tech retail store. People plan to wait when upgrades are around the corner. It is why Microsoft free or minimal cost software upgrades on purchases bought before the upgrade. They are doing this with Windows 8 because they know it would slow down sales.
So hopefully Nokia survives because as you can see from the posts Microsoft has alienated a lot of people and it is Nokia and any other Gen 2 device manufacturers who stand to loose sales. Lucky for Samsung and HTC they have Android to fall back on unlike Nokia. The biggest thing is that many of these people are the ones who recommend tech to others and rightfully would not recommend a device 6 months old with no upgrade path.
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Totally wrong uninformed.....
I also am happy with my lumia 900 and also it was a decision I made whether to wait for WP8 or not.. ( I was actually waiting for the Lumia 900 as it had a front facing camera against the lumia 800).
There is always new tech coming out every 3 months a so and you either wait or get what is on offer that suits your need.
Regarding the WP8 update I am not so much bothered ( only regret is the nokia pureview camera 808).
I come from a Samsung galaxy S2 and the for me the SGS2 has been the best android device by far and the SGS3 didn't appeal to me at all, besides people were always complaing How most apps were not optimised to use the DUAL CORE of the SGS2.
Similiar things will happen when WP8 comes around there will be fewer apps and most current DEVS will keep developing for WP7 as they have just about got hang of it. So it will be atleast another year or so when we see Quality apps both for WP8 and Windows 8 which is just starting out as well, by which time I will be ready to purchace my Second Gen WP8 Just like my Second Gen lumia 900.
NFC is also not very popular in the UK at present and probably you will get NFC through sim cards or as stickers.
Till Next year my Lumia 900 rocks.. and then I will have decided about my next phone
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All I am going to do is laugh that you would write 3 weeks without explaining what it is applied to.. If its my whole post then I'm not sure how you can say I am wrong on the Windows upgrade offers which are true and I know from experience. The same goes for people holding off on purchases because of upgrades.... Its not my opinion... its from experience since I worked at a Retail Big Box store.
In regards to the part about Nokia and the risk here not sure how I am uninformed as there are numerous people saying this could stall sales:
http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Windows-Phone-8--What-s-the-Impact-/story.xhtml?story_id=111008O891L0
Once again... it is wide spread knowledge that Nokia is not doing as well as was expected as mentioned below:
http://www.gsminsider.com/2012/06/no-windows-phone-8-updates-for-all.html
and here is another article talking about the risk to Generation 2 device sales...
http://nothingwired.com/2012/06/21/older-windows-phone-will-7-8-upgrade-windows-phone-8/
Btw, I could reference many other articles written by people who are not just owners upset by the lack of upgrade.
But apparently I am misinformed and only "negative noisy" people believe this....
Maybe you are misinformed....
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All I am going to do is laugh that you would write 3 weeks without explaining what it is applied to.. If its my whole post then I'm not sure how you can say I am wrong on the Windows upgrade offers which are true and I know from experience. The same goes for people holding off on purchases because of upgrades.... Its not my opinion... its from experience since I worked at a Retail Big Box store.
In regards to the part about Nokia and the risk here not sure how I am uninformed as there are numerous people saying this could stall sales:
http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Windows-Phone-8--What-s-the-Impact-/story.xhtml?story_id=111008O891L0
Once again... it is wide spread knowledge that Nokia is not doing as well as was expected as mentioned below:
http://www.gsminsider.com/2012/06/no-windows-phone-8-updates-for-all.html
and here is another article talking about the risk to Generation 2 device sales...
http://nothingwired.com/2012/06/21/older-windows-phone-will-7-8-upgrade-windows-phone-8/
Btw, I could reference many other articles written by people who are not just owners upset by the lack of upgrade.
But apparently I am misinformed and only "negative noisy" people believe this....
Maybe you are misinformed....
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Blah ... Blah... Blah... go buy Iphone...
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Blah ... Blah... Blah... go buy Iphone...
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MS made a few diehard fans happy while the consumer base shifts away from WP, go figure. You don't have to tell people to go buy an iPhone. In fact, MS WANTS people to state "go buy a WP." Will anyone say this? Hell no, not even you.
A few people being noisy here are actually people who have been defending MS since the age of WM, like me. The rest who left simply left because they didn't even care throwing a word back. I know for a fact that I can't find a single ground to back MS any longer. Feature wise? No, too obvious. Fluidity? No because phones nowadays are supercharged, 2-3 seconds faster doesn't mean crap to fill up the gap of features. Update path? complete BS.
You can be sheeps for WP 8 to hopefully help it gain grounds. I know I will join the base once the damn thing becomes well established.
Why are ppl so much bothered about updates?
I bought my Lumia 900 simply because it looks awsome and is more reliable than any other smarthphone i have used. Surely it has bad points too but i dont give a damn.
I use my Lumia 900 to its last breath everyday, i am heave tweeter, emailing surfig gaming, calling etc. WP7 is perfect as it is, it only needs some minor touches.
Same goes for Android and IOS (in their childhood days, these OSes were not complete either, Infact IOS is still struggling with main features.
I was too keen on recieveing updates on my older phones but each time i updated problems started to come along. As soon as my Xperia X10 got updated to 2.3 i sold it after a week. My galaxy s2 when got updated to ICS i sold it after 3 days due to amount of FC and other lags. My Iphone 3gs i sold it after one week when got updated to IOS 4
Pls guys grow up.
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MS made a few diehard fans happy while the consumer base shifts away from WP
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Got some facts or figures to back that up?
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A few people being noisy here are actually people who have been defending MS since the age of WM, like me. The rest who left simply left because they didn't even care throwing a word back.
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Key word: Few. Well, 2 key words then: noisy.
I've seen this happen so many times before: Video games, TV shows, politics, religion... none of it ever comes true. A few leave in a huff, noisily disgruntled, and the rest continue on without any problems.
There's no dooms day, there's no market share problem, there's no negative impact what so ever with sales. Drag my post up in 6 months and prove me wrong about that, but I sincerely doubt that it will end up any other way.
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I know for a fact that I can't find a single ground to back MS any longer.
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This is the only truth you've stated. It's your choice, always has been, always will be. And there's nothing wrong with your position, as it fits you at this time.
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You can be sheeps for WP 8 to hopefully help it gain grounds. I know I will join the base once the damn thing becomes well established.
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Don't really feel like a sheep - heck, I posted the opposite of the current flavor of the week as far as opinions. And what I stated was my choice, always has been, always will be.
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Wy dont you at least post something pertinant to the conversation? The forums are made for discussion and thats what we are doing. I respect peoples opinions here if they agree or disagree with me but yours are plain useless.
I dont have to go and buy another phone because I have issues with what is happening. I hate the Iphone and have pushed the devices even after I bought a 6.5 device only to find out it couldnt be upgraded to 7.
I didnt have another 400 plus dollars to drop on a wp 7 device so I took an android device from my provider. I liked it alot and it received both a Gingerbread update and ICS. But I wanted a Windows phone so I bought the Samsung Focus which I just replaced it with the Lumia.
What frustrates me is that people are putting words in our mouths here. I dont hear anyone who complained saying they hate the Lumia or that they expect to get an update with features that apply to hardware that doesnt exist.
They just want an upgrade path such as the one Microsoft is providing to those who buy a pc before Windows 8 is released.
I may be wrong but hardware was quoted as the reason that WM devices didnt get an update but the HTC HD device proved that was not true. I dont believe that if Microsoft Windows specs are not even dual core that wp8 cantnbe ported. In my mind its a case of dont want to, not cant. If that was the answer as much as that would be frustrating I would respect it more then the "we can't".
In summary I will post my opinion and if you dont like it go read some static website with no discussion or coments.
What can you do to defend MS this time eh? If you think you can, then perhaps you might be interested in being the marketing general manager for MS that Gavin Kim left after 5 months. Pay rate is nice, I guess, but the job will be very, very tough.
When people leave, they simply leave without a comment (who cares really for a oh-so product?) The ones throwing comments are those who have been trying to back MS and become alienated by the very same company. You find it noisy? You have the choice to sit back and be quiet. By joining in you opt to be noisy as well. Plus, is WP noisy enough so that others will say "go buy a WP"?
If you want written facts, go find it yourself or wait for Gartner report. If you believe WP is doing well after this, well that's what you think. The deal is not a few, but a lot will dump WP and a few continue on, including you, because its limited features meet your expectations. The iPhone 4S is still going for $400+ used in Washington State, try to top that number with a lumia in any market. Even the iPhone 4 now has better resale value than the lumia thanks to recent news.
I don't need some dude to point out what's my choice and what's not. I call those WP8 adopters sheeps because it has not established a solid ground yet. If you know it's your choice, keep it to yourself because I didn't ask "why."
I say WP7 just became a "feature phone." Yeah, the competitive pricing did say something :victory:
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What can you do to defend MS this time eh? If you think you can, then perhaps you might be interested in being the marketing general manager for MS that Gavin Kim left after 5 months. Pay rate is nice, I guess, but the job will be very, very tough.
When people leave, they simply leave without a comment (who cares really for a oh-so product?) The ones throwing comments are those who have been trying to back MS and become alienated by the very same company. You find it noisy? You have the choice to sit back and be quiet. By joining in you opt to be noisy as well. Plus, is WP noisy enough so that others will say "go buy a WP"?
If you want written facts, go find it yourself or wait for Gartner report. If you believe WP is doing well after this, well that's what you think. The deal is not a few, but a lot will dump WP and a few continue on, including you, because its limited features meet your expectations. The iPhone 4S is still going for $400+ used in Washington State, try to top that number with a lumia in any market. Even the iPhone 4 now has better resale value than the lumia thanks to recent news.
I don't need some dude to point out what's my choice and what's not. I call those WP8 adopters sheeps because it has not established a solid ground yet. If you know it's your choice, keep it to yourself because I didn't ask "why."
I say WP7 just became a "feature phone." Yeah, the competitive pricing did say something :victory:
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*shrug* you posted on my thread - where I stated what I've done and where I'm at and what I plan to do, by complaining and taking things I said out of context and changing the meaning (i.e. noisy people), then attribute my post to being some kind of MS hype.
On top of that, you responded with factless claims of doomsday scenarios and disapointment. I ask for the facts to back up these claims, and you tell me to look for myself (meaning you don't have any, there's none to show).
There are pleanty of other threads here at XDA where people are saying the same thing as you are, ad nausium. You're free to go post there. I don't feel particularly bad when you post in my thread and restate what's been said before in other threads and accuse me of things I didn't say and attribute ideas to me that I didn't have.
I'm sorry for your sense of loss, I sincerly hope you find peace (this is not sarcastic, I mean it - it's only a phone after all ).
I believe you are missing a few points here:
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I hate the Iphone and have pushed the devices even after I bought a 6.5 device only to find out it couldnt be upgraded to 7.
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Would you really have preferred that the 6.5 device were upgraded to WP7? That would have held WP7 back on specs/features, with the exception of a few phones (HD2).
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I may be wrong but hardware was quoted as the reason that WM devices didnt get an update but the HTC HD device proved that was not true. I dont believe that if Microsoft Windows specs are not even dual core that wp8 cantnbe ported. In my mind its a case of dont want to, not cant. If that was the answer as much as that would be frustrating I would respect it more then the "we can't".
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Again, don't think for a moment that the Lumia 900 is out of the game. There are SO MANY of them out there now, that they will become the next HD2. DEVs are going to bring WP8 to the Lumia, mark my words. The device is too nice not to go there.
As for Microsoft not bringing it, I could care less. My Lumia is the best phone I've owned since I've been using wireless. And my first Mobile phone was a Motorola Bag Phone. Yes, the heavy shoulder strap phone that lasted about 3 hours and cost $200-$1500 per month to use. I've owned MANY phones over these years, and again, the Lumia 900 beats them ALL, hands down. If it was never upgraded to WP8, that's just fine! They did NOT say they were going to stop supporting it, they just said they were not going to port WP8 to it. There's a Big difference. You will still get updates, you will still get leading edge software, you will still get firmware updates. I don't see the problem.
When does a company decide when to stop supporting Full OS upgrades? It's a tough decision I'm sure, but it has to be made. If they offered OS upgrades forever, they would never make enough money to continue to develop. I don't want to see that happening.
My next phone will also be a Nokia. They are going to support WP better than any other OS, because they HAVE to in order to survive. They've already shown their support in a big way, and they've shown how they are going to continue to do so. Maybe it will not be WP8, but it will be the next best thing. A new Start Screen that most everyone has been anxious to get, and a host of other updates are to come. Just because they have not spelled it all out, does not mean it's not happening. They said all the NON-HARDWARE features would be brought to the Lumia. That could include All Sorts of Fantastic things. Some have already arrived (Camera Extras, Play-To), and I'm sure they will bring a lot more.
Before WP7, I also wanted the latest ROM or OS on my Windows Mobile phones, and to some extent, still do. I even ported and cooked ROMs to get there. But since using WP, I am not quite as anxious, because it really works quite well. That's mostly what I was trying to get out of Windows Mobile. Stable, Fast, Fun. WP Already has that!
My opinion, give Winkia/Nokidows a little time to prove where they are going to take us. Honestly, by the time WP8 comes around, I'll be itching for a new device anyways, so my Lumia 900 will replace my Focus as my Test Bed/Dev device...
Nobody talks about doomsday and whatnot, at least I never stated them. You got delusions about doomsday or is it haunting you
WP is small fry, idc about facts for this. If you love it, go research to back it up, don't tell me this and that. If you were successful, maybe MS would want you in its WP marketing team and pay you nicely. I never told you to agree with me. My style is "take it or leave it." My writing is not to convince, but to explain. I don't assume you this and that (heck I never even made a statement how you felt about your phone). However, it looks like you do assume a lot of thing about me. Why do you care? :laugh:
P/S: all my three Lumia 900 have been craigslisted successfully, I feel relieved
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On top of that, you responded with factless claims of doomsday scenarios and disapointment. I ask for the facts to back up these claims, and you tell me to look for myself (meaning you don't have any, there's none to show).
There are pleanty of other threads here at XDA where people are saying the same thing as you are, ad nausium. You're free to go post there. I don't feel particularly bad when you post in my thread and restate what's been said before in other threads and accuse me of things I didn't say and attribute ideas to me that I didn't have.
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I too am very happy with my Lumia 900. Coming from a Samsung Captivate, I can't complain. The difference is just night and day. It didn't bother me knowing the phone's inability for a WP8 update. When those devices come out, buy'em. Problem solved. When WP9 devices come out, buy'em! Problem solved..and so on.
The world is fortunate to have a vast variety of technological options. Options which never ceases to evolve. No need to whine when your brand new toy becomes obsolete tomorrow. Technology is about evolution.
Like what eknutson said, it's just a phone after all.
guys this thread is about some one likes the Lumia 900 and I love my Lumia 900 tooo.... so keep it to it...
all the people are talking about is that wp 7.8 will not be as good as the WP8..... come on no one knows what will be in WP7.8 and WP8???? this is stupidity to argue about things MS do not want to tell people right now...
and second of all MS and Nokia are not stupid that they will screw up users...
last but not least if your phone do not have NFC and high res screen then MS do not think the OS should be WP8, i am fine with it...
and if i dont get the WP8 or WP7.8 my phone still works graet i am very happy...
Microsoft officially announced what will be in 7.8: new home screen, 100,000 apps and counting, and Nokia Lumia exclusive apps.
I agree with you. I got mine today as a shift from my old n70, after 5 years of honorable service (now it starts to freeze, takes forever to boot, hangs-up every now and then and disconnects me once in a while saying "SIM card refused -time to retire - ) and I think it looks gorgeous. the screen is very good, especially with max luminosity. haven't tried everything, since I have to update the SIM to microSIM, but offline functionality has made me happy the moment it arrived. sent friend request
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I agree with you. I got mine today as a shift from my old n70, after 5 years of honorable service (now it starts to freeze, takes forever to boot, hangs-up every now and then and disconnects me once in a while saying "SIM card refused -time to retire - ) and I think it looks gorgeous. the screen is very good, especially with max luminosity. haven't tried everything, since I have to update the SIM to microSIM, but offline functionality has made me happy the moment it arrived. sent friend request
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Using "max luminosity", your battery will die much quicker. You will probably want to experiment with different settings to get a good look, and battery life. I used Automatic, and was happy most of the time.
Also, you can actually cut your SIM card using a knife or scissors to make it fit your phone. I've done it a few times. At least until you can get to the store and get a new one. Just look at photos on the internet to get an idea where to cut it, Pretty close, and it will work. Also, make sure it fits the sim tray well, so it does not hang up on the sim slot.
I'm excited for WP8. From all the leaks so far I really like what I see coming down the pipeline, and look forward to the full unveiling in a few weeks. But, I seriously think that both 7.8 and WP8 are equally critical to the platform's growth hut for different reasons.
Microsoft has shown that itself will release updates and in a timely manner, as along as the hardware supports it. But I think they need to port over as much of these features to 7.8 as possible:
New start screen
New accent colors
Keyboard matches accent colors
Custom Hub
Wallet Hub
Option to select
Equalizer options for music and video hub
Not everyone is able to break contract and upgrade, and some people do like their WP7 devices (I like my Focus S, even though I'm on T Mobile).
Question for all: would those features above be enough to satisfy those on WP7 for a while?
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I'm excited for WP8. From all the leaks so far I really like what I see coming down the pipeline, and look forward to the full unveiling in a few weeks. But, I seriously think that both 7.8 and WP8 are equally critical to the platform's growth hut for different reasons.
Microsoft has shown that itself will release updates and in a timely manner, as along as the hardware supports it. But I think they need to port over as much of these features to 7.8 as possible:
New start screen
New accent colors
Keyboard matches accent colors
Custom Hub
Wallet Hub
Option to select
Equalizer options for music and video hub
Not everyone is able to break contract and upgrade, and some people do like their WP7 devices (I like my Focus S, even though I'm on T Mobile).
Question for all: would those features above be enough to satisfy those on WP7 for a while?
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for what you need a wallet hub if you dont have an NFC chip built in a wp7 device? and some of you askings are already there i use 7.8 and have the new start screen, some new colors are also there. And i can tell you i'am realy good served with 7.8 and the feature set of 7.5! belive me that most people would buy an 7.8 before an wp8 device, i think of normal consumers. Normal consumers want "cheaper phones" but good phones, that an Lumia 900 on 7.8 for me and it cost now only a half of a lumia 920! is the lumia 920 realy worth twice? i think no! generally speaking as a long time wp7 user. It has not so much new features which are worth now to pay 600€ for a lumia 920. and with the lumia price drop to about 320€ it is only the half. it can be also found to 300€.
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for what you need a wallet hub if you dont have an NFC chip built in a wp7 device?
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Same way as iOS has passbook app? They don't have NFC but passbook can help keep stuff in one place secure - boarding passes, credit cards, store cards blah blah.
So yeah wallet hub can have possible uses even without any NFC support.
Remember that only hits of the early 7.8 build are out there and there is so much Microsoft hasn't announced for WP8 itself yet. Is the new Office hardware dependent? I would love the Wallet hub to use it like Passbook on iOS. WP8 may not be hack friendly with the new restrictions so I dunno how willing devs will be to port over features to 7.8. I own both a G Nex and a Focus S and I love my Focus S more. WP is such a pretty looking and solid OS I still think Microsoft shouldn't completely bury the WP7 phones in order to move forward with WP8.
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Remember that only hits of the early 7.8 build are out there and there is so much Microsoft hasn't announced for WP8 itself yet. Is the new Office hardware dependent? I would love the Wallet hub to use it like Passbook on iOS. WP8 may not be hack friendly with the new restrictions so I dunno how willing devs will be to port over features to 7.8. I own both a G Nex and a Focus S and I love my Focus S more. WP is such a pretty looking and solid OS I still think Microsoft shouldn't completely bury the WP7 phones in order to move forward with WP8.
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Most likely they won't - at least Nokia won't. Considering how huge its feature phone market is, if anything it will try and push all the old WP7.x phones as "first smartphones" to those feature phone customers. To be honest, none of the WP7.x are that complicated or feature loaded to overwhelm or underwhelm a beginner in smartphone world. Believe it or not, feature phone market is much much much bigger than smartphone world. These WP7.x babies can easily beat any low end entry level Android!
I saw something recently about how Nokia plans to release a 7.8 WP next year. Here's my issue with how the OEMs have handled WP7: they let the carriers screw us over. For example, at what AT&T did. The Titan 1 was EOL'd in 6 months! So was the Focus S. Meanwhile, on T Mobile the Lumia 710 and Radar have been going pretty strong for at least 8 months. The HD7 had at least 1good year but got EOL'd fast too when it hit AT&T.
I wish my Focus S was a pentaband phone like the G Nex and had 768RAM. Otherwise it is perfect for my needs. I use my G Nex more right now because of the pentaband radio and that I still like Android. But there are certain things that WP hits the spot for me: email, artist bios in music, people hub, picture hub, bing search hub, ease to scroll through apps and music files.
I think Microsoft learned the hard way that splitting the platform up with the premier phones on one carrier here in the US was a mistake. It is why they went back to HTC and is using the 8X in the manner Samsung did with the Galaxy Line to move units and get WP into more hands. Make no mistake, Nokia is the preferred WP brand due to the mind share and marketing it made with the Gen 1 Lumias, but HTC is once again called upon to sell volume like it has in the past for Microsoft.
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I saw something recently about how Nokia plans to release a 7.8 WP next year. Here's my issue with how the OEMs have handled WP7: they let the carriers screw us over. For example, at what AT&T did. The Titan 1 was EOL'd in 6 months! So was the Focus S. Meanwhile, on T Mobile the Lumia 710 and Radar have been going pretty strong for at least 8 months. The HD7 had at least 1good year but got EOL'd fast too when it hit AT&T.
I wish my Focus S was a pentaband phone like the G Nex and had 768RAM. Otherwise it is perfect for my needs. I use my G Nex more right now because of the pentaband radio and that I still like Android. But there are certain things that WP hits the spot for me: email, artist bios in music, people hub, picture hub, bing search hub, ease to scroll through apps and music files.
I think Microsoft learned the hard way that splitting the platform up with the premier phones on one carrier here in the US was a mistake. It is why they went back to HTC and is using the 8X in the manner Samsung did with the Galaxy Line to move units and get WP into more hands. Make no mistake, Nokia is the preferred WP brand due to the mind share and marketing it made with the Gen 1 Lumias, but HTC is once again called upon to sell volume like it has in the past for Microsoft.
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OR may be as few threads about 3-4 months back discussed at lengths that MSFT knew it all along. WP8 was in making even before the launch of WP7. For such a giant company it makes sense to have it all planned. With WP7 there was no way OEM other than Nokia would go full-on with it. Hence Nokia exclusive deal even with carriers. Now, WP is little known. With ecosystem launch MSFT can bet on other OEMs too. That phase of WP7 was to try and create a loyal following and bit of mindshare on the back of Nokia's mindshare while Nokia stops the slidings downfall from Symbian. Now it might be the right time when even other OEMs are interested to cash in on what is supposed to be the biggest launch of MSFT in it's history. This works well for MSFT too and hence HTC gets signature phones, Nokia gets exclusives and MSFT gets WP in plenty more hands. A happy family?
I do agree that Microsoft knew this all along. I mean it made sense what they did from a company perspective, but they didn't do any consumers any favors. If I were Microsoft to do it this way, I'd have gone with better minimum requirements, better software support. I'm not sure if they will do that anymore.
I'm on the fence...I like WP. I'm not a fan of how Microsoft has handled things. From a pure consumer point of view, it is the best OS on the market it terms of ease of use. In terms of overall functionality for devs and enthusiasts, Android is better and WP will be harder to use like that than iOS.
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From a pure consumer point of view, it is the best OS on the market it terms of ease of use. In terms of overall functionality for devs and enthusiasts, Android is better and WP will be harder to use
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That says it all!
One just needs to decide if he is a consumer who wants quality product or a dev/enthusiast who wants to tinker around each evening! Then the options are very clear.
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That says it all!
One just needs to decide if he is a consumer who wants quality product or a dev/enthusiast who wants to tinker around each evening! Then the options are very clear.
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But the way MS abandons the older gen shows that they simply didn't plan the whole picture upfront. By giving an excuse that the old phone isn't powerful enough for the new software means they had a short sight at the very beginning, and constantly changing their minds. It is not a pretty picture that consumers want to see. Let me know that my phone is obsolete in 6 months of release is very bad, made people lose confidence to the OS. They should stop doing that immediately.
If MS wants to compete with Android, they should not do the same sh1t companies using android did, but follow apple as a better role model.
As a US consumer, I like both. I like Android to tinker and that's where my Galaxy Nexus comes in. I'm using BlackBean ROM as my daily driver and i love it. I haven't had any need to flash the other ROMs I have because this one fulfills my need to tinker but still have something stable enough to use daily.
But as a pure daily driver, WP fits my needs better. I like the Focus S a lot. I wish when I bought it I could have interlop unlocked it, but the one I bought was already updated. My carrier, T Mobile, took the mid range phones and 8GB onboard storage isn't enough for me.
Still, this is the second time MSFT has done this, the first being going from the HD2 and 6.5 to WP7. I give them credit in that they will have released Nodo, Mango, Tango and 7.8, but only Nodo and Mango were significant (7.8 not included, as it is still so TBD). They let the carriers have too much play because they did t hand the OS release correctly and killed some good devices in the Focus S, Titan 2 among others. If they wanted to be so much like Apple they should learn from the iPhone 3G update to iOS4.0.1. See how they gave the 3GS a ton of support? Its a shame but my guts says 7.8 will be as barren as Tango, which means I may not upgrade until WP 8 Gen 2 or WP9.
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blah blah blah... Same cries again... :bored:
Will WP7 forgotten OS? Well, not for me! I'm waiting for Lumia 510 to be launched in my country since my mom needs a replacement of her old battered phone. Next month, my sister will be buying her first smartphone. She will see and compare WP7 and WP8. If she doesn't see enough advantages of WP8 over WP7 then she will pick WP7.
This pretty much should explain views of an average consumer.
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But the way MS abandons the older gen shows that they simply didn't plan the whole picture upfront. By giving an excuse that the old phone isn't powerful enough for the new software means they had a short sight at the very beginning, and constantly changing their minds. It is not a pretty picture that consumers want to see. Let me know that my phone is obsolete in 6 months of release is very bad, made people lose confidence to the OS. They should stop doing that immediately.
If MS wants to compete with Android, they should not do the same sh1t companies using android did, but follow apple as a better role model.
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I'm not going to indulge in the same talk again and beat the dead horse to ultimate eternity but MSFT never said hardware isn't good enough. As a company they did not find porting the new kernel on old softwares and providing any kind of update fruitful considering how small the user base is/was and what sort of user base it had. Not everyone visits XDA and not everyone has a hobby of ROM flashing. Hence MSFT decided rather than probably open 20 new call centres to help those who bricked their phones, we might as well abandon 0.001% unhappy customers. The rest from Gen1 anyways need an upgrade, they aren't really unhappy. The unhappy ones, the cheated ones, the people who shout that their phone became a piece of wood with the magical announcement - are those who got Gen2 Mango devices. Those customers are 0.001% of smartphone market and probably 20% of MSFT WP market. 80% won't care and forget this on 29th October, including me (I got Gen2 Mango phone). They are business, we are customers, they are sitting there to make money, not a marriage.
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I'm not going to indulge in the same talk again and beat the dead horse to ultimate eternity but MSFT never said hardware isn't good enough. As a company they did not find porting the new kernel on old softwares and providing any kind of update fruitful considering how small the user base is/was and what sort of user base it had. Not everyone visits XDA and not everyone has a hobby of ROM flashing. Hence MSFT decided rather than probably open 20 new call centres to help those who bricked their phones, we might as well abandon 0.001% unhappy customers. The rest from Gen1 anyways need an upgrade, they aren't really unhappy. The unhappy ones, the cheated ones, the people who shout that their phone became a piece of wood with the magical announcement - are those who got Gen2 Mango devices. Those customers are 0.001% of smartphone market and probably 20% of MSFT WP market. 80% won't care and forget this on 29th October, including me (I got Gen2 Mango phone). They are business, we are customers, they are sitting there to make money, not a marriage.
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I agree with you that from business point, it's not worth too much for MS. But still, they put a lot effort to get this tiny share of smartphone market and with this act, they might just lose many of those that's quite unhappy about the fact they got dumped. I have a WP, an android tab and a iPhone, when apple released iOS6, I found iPhone 3gs still can take some advantage of the new OS, which is quite amazing given my tab won't be supported for any new updates and my WP will be in the dark. So seems to me, investing in iPhone is a better idea somehow, the quality is better than those OEMs too. (my monthly bill will be the same for iPhone or WP with LTE)
I don't mean to argue anything, it is just my feeling of the strategy every different companies chose, preference of those companies. I was firmly against iPhone because I have Sprint which had no iPhone to choose from and I won't pay for the overhead. Then Sprint brought in iPhone and I got one and am happy about the result, proved that it is not just a hype. Myself, I was using TP2 then switched to WP(got for free) and I'm happy mostly after a long time(got used to those craps eventually) and will keep using that WP(had to do a repair because of part of the screen stopped responding)
I'm not trying to flog a dead horse here but not everyone has cash to upgrade at the launch of new tech. As long as MSFT provides some support for WP7 and doesn't completely kill it, then I'd be more incline to stay with WP. Yes the average Joe won't hack their phone but at least with Android if you pay attention and read the forums rooting your phone is worth something a bit more.
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I'm happy with my Gen 1 HTC hd7. Even after tmobile killed it, the custom roms kept coming. And eventually I plan on getting the htc 8x. My HTC has been solid for two years now. Wp8 will have everything my WP 7.8, but better hardware and specs. I'm not too involved in development, but theres lots of homebrew apps. If you want a solid, os go with wp8. If you want more customization, go android. You want last year go ios.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. The only things I want out of 7.8 are a file explorer and the ability to sync whatever files I want. I'm talking about doc files if you add to them or whatnot they automatically sync when you plug in your phone. I had that setup on my wm 6.5
The obvious start screen we all know we're getting.
A notification hub or bar or whatever
Customization options for ring tones (already have but you know what I mean) custom sms, email, alarm alerts
and for me I would love to be able to have a lock screen with a lot more versatility. For instance an app like amazing weather could push current weather conditions with animations to the lock screen.
Would that make most of us happy? So let's see if MS gives it to us but I won't hold my breath.
See, there is still too much that MSFT locked down in WP7. Some of the HTC devices, like the Mozart, had a LED that could be used for notifications. The Titan's notification LED is a bit more useful, but the one thing in used to love about my BB9780 (my G Nex does this too) is how you could assign different colors for different types of notifications. An orange LED for missed calls and notifications would have been enough.
What I would love to see is the ability to open an app from the lockscreen by tapping on the notification. We can already control the music player from lock screen, why not a medium to long press on an email icon at the bottom of the lock screen to slide up the lock sreen then open the email app? I think that would help for those missed notifications that you don't see when they come in at the top bar in real time. They could also give us the last five types of notifications and save the "us choosing what five we want to get notifications for" as I read they may do in WP8.
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I don't think Microsoft (and Nokia) will completely abandon WP7. Nokia did say that apps that don't require hardware support from the new WP8 devices (such as NFC and multi-core processors) will be available for WP7.x.
Although I'm hoping that newer games such as the new Angry Birds Star Wars (to be released on November 8) from Rovio would be available for WP7.8 users. (After reading the press release, they did say that the game will be available for Windows Phone - here's me hoping that by windows phone they meant both 7.x and 8 users).
Besides, why are we berating Microsoft and Nokia? This happens even to Android and iOS users. Motorola recently posted an announcement explaining why not every devices they have in the market will be upgradable to Android Ice Cream Sandwich, HTC also once announced that its Desire line of handsets would not be upgradable to Gingerbread (although backlash from angry users prompted HTC to create a version of Gingerbread with some memory intensive features removed). iOS is also not an exception. Sure, your 3GS can be upgraded to iOS 6 but try downloading a new app and, oh wait: only compatible with 4th generation iPhone and iPod Touch (pretty sure it will change to "compatible with 5th generation iPhone and iPod Touch only). So, yeah, you have iOS 6 on paper but you don't really have iOS 6 in all its glory.
Do we really need a new operating system when our current OS does everything we need flawlessly? I think I'd find it harder to stomach thinking that my Lumia 800 has WP8 but can't actually do what WP8 was set out to do. I'd stick with my Lumia for the moment and after two years, upgrade to a (hopefully its still there) new Nokia Lumia running the latest WP-OS.