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As a member of XDA i am proud that there is a place where people, ideas and developers can come together to work out problems and create new, better, faster software.
I love the ideas and the creations here, but i am somewhat tired of the negativity and "flaming" going on in some of the forums. Specifically Samsung Galaxy forums, with each passing day/week there is an exponentially increasing amount of NEW THREADS, pretty much dedicated to venting anger at the phone's manufacturer. While some claims do have merit (crappy GPS), other complaints are ill-researched, (samsung to blame for not releasing froyo, how did rogers release it to me?).
There was even a "Supposed" samsung rep. SamsungJohn, who reached out to the captivate community on the behalf of Samsung. (once again supposedly) If he was in fact from samsung he received the WORST welcome from the community, he was badgered and hammered with anger before given a chance to explain what his goal/role here was. In a recent post it was referred to him "stepping on the XDA hornets nest". Honestly it looked more like a forum full of angry 10 year olds, although to be COMPLETELY FAIR, 99% of the members "flaming" (to SamsungJohn or in other posts) ARE NOT DEVELOPERS OR PROGRAMMERS just bored people that feel XDA is a good place to vent anger. IT IS NOT.
If you have actual hardware problems with your phone, flood the manufacturers forum NOT OURS! If they had as many complaint posts as we do on a public forum they wouldn't be able to deny any issues exist, you could link to them, they would be right there, ON THEIR SITE.
I love my phone, for any flaws it has, any other phone will have another, sometimes we can fix it here, sometimes we cant. It is understandable in this day and age that many times products are rushed out the door and moved on to the next. Its the world we live in today. Accept it or check out..
Please remember XDA is a place to come together for ideas and working out problems NOT NEEDLESSLY COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM!!!
Speak my man!Perhaps that is the most right opinion I've seen on the forums!
PS:Love your PC setup dude!If it had a 69xxHD ATi it would be my dream machine!
Peace, love, harmony. Everyone, repeat. Hehe.
There will always be flaming. We have pretty diligent moderators that find the offending members and take proper action. Everyone can help out here just by being nice to one another. This is a community. A community benefits when its citizens are helpful, friendly, and contributive.
Well said! The forum needs more people to be constructive in their postings rather than petulant and needy.
This OP should have his post stickied in all the galaxy S forums IMO.
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This OP should have his post stickied in all the galaxy S forums IMO.
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if i was a moderator or web dev of this site the message would pop up, and you would have to agree before veiwing the forums!
I know its been getting bad. But they have stepped up and got more moderators. So it will get better. Plus all the new devices that keep getting added. So much for everyone to keeo up with. Thats why as you know the report post is there. Helps alot.
@OP, I couldn't agree more with you, with the recent influx of new users into XDA via their new purchases and nearly everyone owning a smartphone we will have to adapt to them and their misconceptions of what XDA is. Although they may misunderstand what we are about we are always trying to show them what our roots were and still are today. We try to keep it under control to the best of out abilities, but with a ratio of moderators to members being 40:1,000,000 it can be an uphill battle at times. Thanks for sharing your opinion and we hope to improve down the road.
yes, i have been using the "REPORT" button, on an increasing basis.
is there by any chance at least a single moderator dedicated to each phone, with experience with that device to know what is un-related/ garbage information/threads.
also some threads deserve deletion rather than closing. just wasting space with usually no information what-soever
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yes, i have been using the "REPORT" button, on an increasing basis.
is there by any chance at least a single moderator dedicated to each phone, with experience with that device to know what is un-related/ garbage information/threads.
also some threads deserve deletion rather than closing. just wasting space with usually no information what-soever
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yep, we have this in place. They are called Forum Specific Moderators, and have a title like
"HTC XYZ Forum Moderator"
They are responsible for a small number of forums, to try and spot this stuff
Im not sure if i have come across my "captivate" mod, is there any easy way to find the mod for your forum? could an easy way be added? link in each phone's forum? (for issues PM...)
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Im not sure if i have come across my "captivate" mod, is there any easy way to find the mod for your forum? could an easy way be added? link in each phone's forum? (for issues PM...)
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Yep, though it seems the assigned mod for your forum was recently promoted, and therefore there is no "assigned" mod right now. When you get one, their name will appear at the lower right of any of the general/dev subforums.
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Yep, though it seems the assigned mod for your forum was recently promoted, and therefore there is no "assigned" mod right now. When you get one, their name will appear at the lower right of any of the general/dev subforums.
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well that explains a lot
Hopefully we get a new mod soon!
Herp Derp Captivate XDA
Even with the influx of immature morons, this place is still two thousand times more coherent and mature than any iPhone modification related forum.
I swear, all I see over on those boards are a bunch of people crying and cursing and yelling and making threats because jailbreaks and unlocks are slow to release.
I am loving your new member posts, very informative and a great way to get informed about this site!
Agreement
I completely agree with you man.
I think we need two things,
First of all, people who respect the earth and its benefits.
And secondly, some respectful people who watch and guide people who don't know the value of being beneficial and so respectful, one by one.
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I really consist with this oppinion that an improved society just can born and keep on by everyone's usefull endeavour. In the other word a wise intellectual man/woman cann't grow up and even say a little bit of his/her knowledge in a tidy palce.
So, be in the way and enjoy your home.
Hopping success and enhancement.
I could not agree with you more.
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This is the truest thing in the world. Been happening a lot on my devices forum, the flaming amongst members and devs.
It just shouldn't happen
I have noticed that in the Galaxy Tab Forum, It must the target demographic that the device attracts as owners. I Joke obviously, I don't want to attract any unwanted attention
I think XDA suffers a little bit from how big it is. It's probably before a lot of manufacturers sites on search result for what ever normal people type into Google and with 4.5 million members you're going to attract a wide cross section of humanity......There might even be some women on here Nah There's no women on the internet.
Speaking of XDA being a place of coming together and solving problems, let me throw a couple out there
Maybe there should stop new members creating threads on any forum.... drill it home to use the site properly. I think slatedroid or one of the forums focused towards the more "exotic" Android devices does that. Frustrating though that might be it will make people think is it really worth the effort, You could measure a members "dedication" by not only post but visit frequency and what types of posts they view, so even if they feel they cannot help with replies they still get to post eventually. Although that last sentence makes XDA sound like a bit of a cult.
That would probably have stop me from posting my first though (Ironically a Samsung Galaxy Tab external SDCard booting method) but you win some/you lose some
In Fact If you want to get a little more draconian. you could introduce perma-bans for all sorts of minor indiscretions such as anyone who post the words "vs" In a thread title as we don't really need another thread about who's dog barks the loudest, anyone complaining about lack of support from the manufacturer, there are more but they escape me now
So in summary. PermaBan The Lot Of Em'
trevd said:
I have noticed that in the Galaxy Tab Forum, It must the target demographic that the device attracts as owners. I Joke obviously, I don't want to attrach any unwanted attention
I think XDA suffers a little bit from how big it is. It's probably before a lot of manufacturers sites on search result for what ever normal people type into Google and with 4.5 million members you're going to attract a wide cross section of humanity......There might even be some women on here Nah There's no women on the internet.
Speaking of XDA being a place of coming together and solving problems, let me throw a couple out there
Maybe there should stop new members creating threads on any forum.... drill it home to use the site properly. I think slatedroid or one of the forums focused towards the more "exotic" Android devices does that. Frustrating though that might be it will make people think is it really worth the effort, You could measure a members "dedication" by not only post but visit frequency and what types of posts they view, so even if they feel they cannot help with replies they still get to post eventually. Although that last sentence makes XDA sound like a bit of a cult.
That would probably have stop me from posting my first though (Ironically a Samsung Galaxy Tab external SDCard booting method) but you win some/you lose some
In Fact If you want to get a little more draconian. you could introduce perma-bans for all sorts of minor indiscretions such as anyone who post the words "vs" In a thread title as we don't really need another thread about who's dog barks the loudest, anyone complaining about lack of support from the manufacturer, there are more but they escape me now
So in summary. PermaBan The Lot Of Em'
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Hi, I am new to XDA, and I just wanted to express my admiration of your ideas, as well as to the OP, truly a superb insight.
Idea: There should be a demarcation of topics and subforums known as the Noob forums. Unless and until you contribute something OTHER than a post (eg, a ROM, theme, or hack perhaps), you remain in the Noob forums.
Good idea?
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Quit censoring the forums. You are a "moderator" not a "censor".
Closing the thread when it was a discussion about developers and moderators on XDA in the "General" section is not right. Just because you as a moderator are tired of reading all the good points about you and your heavy-handed tactics doesn't give you the right to "censor" the forums. You are a "moderator", not a "censor".
When you start censoring posts/threads that you don't agree with, you have gone way beyond your "moderator" duties and are now infringing on any user's rights to speak freely.
-Daryel
Agree, i was just thinking that. Who is the forum experience mod?
wow and I was about to write up a thread calling Jerdog out for exactly as you said, he gives his excuse then closes the thread while it is clearly open and still booming. like "haha I get the last word..."
I agree with you.
IB4L.
Always wanted to do that
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anyways, so StrongSteve puts something together from many parts, but that is not allowed. We must do it ourselves. Should of just put a guide out there steve
Jerdog, you can call the work StrongSteve whatever you want but when it involves work that most of us could not do ourselves no matter what section he puts it in, I call that development.
If rules that are set up does not call that or allow it as development in the development section, then it is the rules that need changed. As much as the work is appreciated, not many people will go through a 20 page guideline on how to do what he did in the theme section.
ok guys.. I really have to call Jerdog out on this..
He keeps referring to dexopt-wrapper as a "script"
It is a binary or a "tool"
How does such bonified ignorance become a "recognized developer"
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Thanks again.
Im on jerdogs side on this one
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I'm on Strongsteve's side. We've heard both stories in the previous thread as it wasn't censored, but locked. This thread was made for the sole purpose of flaming Jerdog. It's just not right.
Hopefully, as Jerdog stated, this gets worked out through private discussion between them.
I posted the original Open Letter. This is first chance I have had to look things over since this morning. Not surprised the thread was moved. I'm appalled it was closed. I just sent jerdog a PM asking for an explanation. We'll see what happens.
I cannot for the life of me understand the logic (or lack thereof) behind killing off this ROM, theme, project, discussion.
strongsteve, are you going to put your work up anywhere else. if so, can you let us know.
I am using your ROM and it is best one out there . Much appreciated no matter what the mods say. Thanks
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I'm on Strongsteve's side. We've heard both stories in the previous thread as it wasn't censored, but locked. This thread was made for the sole purpose of flaming Jerdog. It's just not right.
Hopefully, as Jerdog stated, this gets worked out through private discussion between them.
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maybe, but I think trying to keep the previous thread going was more the reason. If the other thread was not locked, discussion would continue there. And IMO writing a book sized defense reply (as Jerdog did) then immediately locking it so details of what he said could not be discussed is censorship. I mean look, someone opens a new thread and you claim it something other than genuine continuation of the first thread, so in effect Jerdog altered the degree of trust and dialogue hence censorship.
Nothing against you as I do understand what you said, just making a point
i would suggest PM'ing the forum admin or the forum experience mod to communicate any issues.
I think locking a thread to prevent further discussion is what peeves people off.
The discussion was a fairly civil discussion of what constitutes a "Themed ROM" and a "Developer ROM". By the definition put forth ALL roms that are in the Development section are "Themed ROMs". Even ptfdmedic pointed out that his ROM by the definition is a "Themed ROM".
This thread is probably going to be locked/closed/moved anyways. If anyone wants to complain to XDA about jerdog, they're welcome to PM the "User Experience Admin" svetius. His profile is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=2235607
Sprint just offered me today (after 100's of phone calls) to replace my Epic Touch with a different phone because of LOS issues, hopefully whichever phone I decide on will have a healthy dev environment like the Epic Touch has been.
-Daryel
agreed, it appears that any discussion regardless of temperament is not permitted. I would also submit that if I were Strongsteve, i wouldn't exactly be in a PM/discussion/compromise type of mindset either. It appears that there is a total lack of comprehension from the MOD
daryelv said:
I think locking a thread to prevent further discussion is what peeves people off.
The discussion was a fairly civil discussion of what constitutes a "Themed ROM" and a "Developer ROM". By the definition put forth ALL roms that are in the Development section are "Themed ROMs". Even ptfdmedic pointed out that his ROM by the definition is a "Themed ROM".
This thread is probably going to be locked/closed/moved anyways. If anyone wants to complain to XDA about jerdog, they're welcome to PM the "User Experience Admin" svetius. His profile is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=2235607
Sprint just offered me today (after 100's of phone calls) to replace my Epic Touch with a different phone because of LOS issues, hopefully whichever phone I decide on will have a healthy dev environment like the Epic Touch has been.
-Daryel
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Rootzwiki is where it is..... They appreciate the devs that its why they give devs phones....xda used to be like that they are all about the money .... Sad that its come to this ....
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agreed, it appears that any discussion regardless of temperament is not permitted. I would also submit that if I were Strongsteve, i wouldn't exactly be in a PM/discussion/compromise type of mindset either. It appears that there is a total lack of comprehension from the MOD
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Precisely
I would think that we would be encouraging development for this phone and not splitting hairs on it, no matter who is right and who is wrong. I mean he (jerdog) just couldn't just leave it alone? Really? Come on.
i don't fault XDA making money and trying to keep the lights on. Especially when XDA the business is not always aligned with XDA the forums, however clearly this instance clearly is not a conflict of the two. What i don't really agree with is the decision of ONE mod in this forum.
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Rootzwiki is where it is..... They appreciate the devs that its why they give devs phones....xda used to be like that they are all about the money .... Sad that its come to this ....
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with that said, if i have to go to Rootzwiki to get Steve's ROM's then thats what i will do
The only way!!!
Either stop coming to this site...aka boycott; Or get other devs to stop supporting this site. Either will result in revenue loss for XDA and make them think about what they are doing.
That's all you can do, once the advertisers pull out, they lose money that I am sure they don't share with developers who are the sole reason we com here in the first place.
Start hitting up all the devs and see if they will move thier work elsewhere, then we go there and XDA will have to acknowledge or fail.
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I would think that we would be encouraging development for this phone and not splitting hairs on it, no matter who is right and who is wrong. I mean he (jerdog) just couldn't just leave it alone? Really? Come on.
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I wrote the experience mod and said the exact same thing.
Hi,
First of all...Don't kill me
Since a few weeks there is a upsurge of recurrent threads like "What is the best rom","What is the best kernel","What is the best rom for battery life",What is the best kernel for battery life" or "Help me to choose a (best) kernel/rom"...
There was this kind of topics 3/4 times a day in General and Q&A section...For me it gets boring every day the same threads.
There is not that the rom or the kernel that comes into account about battery life for example,but the settings,the usage,etc...But always (or almost) in these threads the reply is just "x kernel","xx kernel","x rom","xx rom",etc...without more detail...Makes no sense...
There are almost many answers as there are different kernel+all the different settings (CPU freq,GPU freq,undervolt,hotplug,etc...)+the rom used+your personnal settings (sync,brightness,widgets,wifi,etc...)+your use...,Etc...
Many of these threads have a dozen answers then they are forgotten and the OP never comes back and does not even give feedback...
What's the point?
With a little search in both General and Q&A section there are some recent threads,rather important (in term of number's reply) and detailed for it to be useful...
Why not post again in one of these threads to move up and continue the discussion into a central thread...
It's so complicated searched a bit,read existing threads,test by itself or form an opinion by reading other feedback?
There would be no threads regarding these question,ok no worries,but right now there are many,way too much this kind of topics...
These threads are very subjective as the answers and reflects nothing...Almost the time nothing is known of the usage/settings of the OP than the guy who answer,just a name of kernel or rom...
And nothing is says about "Best kernel/rom" or "Best battery life"...What does that mean exactly ...? Unspecified:nothing,therefore unnecessary threads...
Ok, we're here to help,advise and give notice but not 10 times a day the same thing especially that with a minimum of research and reading...there is a response...
Sorry for this topic,if it does not please->trash...
Just so everyone make an effort and you can not see all the time the same thing with the same answers when there is already threads...
And if you do not like... do not read ... This is what I do ,but when I naviguate in General or Q&A section...and when I see the titles of all these threads it bothers me to navigate through all these threads and to see new interesting topics between all of these topics to see 3/4 of interresting...
Thanks
PS:sorry for my English about some phrases.
Sticky please.
I 100% agree with you. Unfortunately it will never stop.
I made a rant similar to yours in January (see signature) and there are still 3-5 new "I bricked my phone plz help!!!!!!!!" threads a day.
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Damn I was thinking of making this last night before I fell asleep but you beat me :'(
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Sticky please.
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The irony will come when another "Recurring threads" post pops up next week
Agreed. Lazy people will be lazy.
Just report the thread, do we really need another please use the search thread?
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Sticky please.
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Already stickied in the posting rules thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19177654&postcount=2
Unfortunately, with 1 million + members you get to see a fairly good cross section of humanity. That includes those that won't listen to instructions, those that need spoon feeding and those that genuinely need help.
Oh, and those that give useless replys to threads (Get that in before anyone else does)
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Hi,
Thanks for your opinion.
@phatmanxxl,and...?I know there is already a sticky but I presented it differently,not just a rule.Like I said if it does not please->trash.
@killyouridols,yes you're right...
Each gives his opinion ...Perfect,maybe someone can convince me that I'm wrong and that this multitude of threads is not a "problem" or is not annoying
I have not asked for a sticky or anything else,I just gave my opinion on something annoying for me (and maybe for others).
Of course the mods can not do everything but a central thread would not hurt,like other threads (homescreens,pictures,benchs,etc...).
And:
mskip said:
Thinking of posting a new thread???
Use the search button on the top bar between "New Posts" and "Quick Links"
If any mod, including myself, continue to find new threads about topics that have threads already existing.
The thread will be locked with no notice and/or up to a temp BAN!!.
Mods, including myself, are not here to keep the forum organized after the fact, we need your help to keep it organized, clean and grouped.
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Actually it's not the case,recurrent threads are still there and they are mushrooming ("ils poussent comme des champignons" ).
Of course already seen with my thread but a little reminder...There is less about like mine as there are those that I describe.
In this section we also see topics that have nothing to do...
Feel free to the mods to delete or lock this thread for convenience.
The answer is to refer them to a link with the proper discussion then report the thread as redundant and one of us mods will come and lock it.
Thanks
Friendly Neighborhood Moderator
i agree with above me
The fact is, everyone that posts these "which _______ is best for battery/performance/stability" are usually quite new to this world. And they do not realize even a little bit that there is NO SINGLE answer to that question. Hell, there isn't even a round about general few answers to those questions. It is ALL COMPLETELY dependent on your use of device and the environment the device is in (i.e. Signal reception, apps on device, etc...) So much so that any other persons set up will usually NEVER give you the same results. People worry to much about finding "The best ______" and not enough about just enjoying the device AND enjoying the experience of the quest to find your OWN "perfect setup". And even when you DO find your own perfect set up, you are just going to keep wondering if there is something else that could make it better.
So what happens is they come here, and most likely they've SEEN these "which ______ is best", threads, BUT they see all the amounts of different responses and combinations without much details and decide "maybe if i ask I'll get a different answer catered to what I'm looking for" type of mind set. They are just confused as to the amount of different setups they saw in these other threads regarding a best set up since there isn't any details.
What they SHOULD come away from those threads thinking is something more along the lines of "Wow, there is so many different opinions on the best set up that i should just get to experimenting for myself" that is really all that they should do in the first place. It can be a bit intimidating to steyel into the development forum and see the multitude of roms, kernels, tweaks, that EACH have there own following of users that swear by them and it's easy to be lost on where to start. They don't realize that they can just choose a few things to flash and try them out, and then move along quite easily to another setup. They just don't realize how easy it is to just flash another ROM or kernel or whatever and just go at it. These users who post these types of threads are usually afraid of the prospect of bricking their brand new $500 device. Yes that risk is always present, but if it was something that happened very often due to a certain set up its something that you would have read about and info would be easily found on what NOT too use.
These types of threads will never go away unless as stated by the moderator above, REPORT(why is everyone SO AFRAID to press that report button??!!)and point the OP to a thread already established about the same thing. threads don't have to be vulgar/spam/etc... To warrant a report/deletion/maintenance....
So that's the Lesson of today. Be vigilant and report those threads if you want to see a cleaner forum. They will never NOT be posted, it's just the nature of people to want to be told what's best in a reply directed to them personally.
(BY THE WAY, can anyone tell me what's the best thread to read to find out what the best ROM/kernel setup is? Thankyou..../sarcasm )
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Cool story bro
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Cool story bro
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I thought you might like that
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Can anyone tell me which thread is the best to read about repeat threads regarding what is the best anything about something knowing nothing?
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Can anyone tell me which thread is the best to read about repeat threads regarding what is the best anything about something knowing nothing?
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I beat ya to it....
NINJA'd!! Lol
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Yes. <fist pumps> . Now instead of searching for recurring thread i can just make another "recurring thread" and all is normal on xda!
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Hello every one my name is casper846969 who do I talk to am looking for the higher guy that control all this like what I post I am from the droid x2 forms and the op took my post down I did not brake ruls and it was in the right place it was in theams well he lock my post and I am have a issue about it because I think that was rude of him when I did not brake any rules. So qho do I go to about this
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If you created the thread then YOU are the OP (Original Poster) or it can also mean (Original Post) so I do not know what you mean when you say "OP".
Sorry every one I mean admin the person on top of him
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Why don't you send him a kind pm to ask the reasons?
Edit: Are you talking about this thread? eagleeyetom already explained in his post why it have been closed.
All I can say is................wow
OP I was part of the Droid X2 community too. To summarize the events that took place over the past few weeks: The mods in their infinite wisdom decided our thread offered nothing to the community. Even though some of our posts were helpful to others and informative regarding android and other technology the fun we had was looked down on. This site is for the developers and those of us who do not create roms,kernels or themes but can answer questions are worth little to nothing. Unfortunate turn of events but there's nothing we can do about it....the decision has been made.
Let me clear up this "stupidity." The rules do not apply to everyone the same. If you had alot more inappropriate content and alot more "thanks" given in your thread, you would have been ok. But since you offered nothing to the community but some wasted space on the forum, your thread must and will continue to be closed. Sorry about your luck.
A toast from my Gnex aboard the Satisfaction!
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Thread closed. The fact that some threads are posted across the forum doesn't allow you the right to post it here.
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Sorry Casper, as you can see, the rules are different depending upon who you are
Wow, that's all I can say........
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Wow, that's all I can say........
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First post after joining back in '09? I can say Wow to that...too.
Yaaarggg Mateys
Been a while since I trolled over to xda to see whats up
And this is what I see
Google plus, rootz, twitter, Gtalk ftmfw
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Look bottom line is threads like that have no real purpose. Now you may or may not like it but that is the way it goes.
Making a thread to complain about it will not do you much good.
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Wayne Tech S-III
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2242284
I'm confused as to why this thread would be closed. It is a general note 2 thread in the note 2 forum.
But this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2134987
Exact same subject remains open and has been.
This is the worst forum I've ever been a part of on XDA.
A thread is no bigger than a post in terms of hard drive space. So it can't be a "taking up too much space"
There are too many wannabe hall monitors complaining over nonsense.
If you don't want to reply to a thread about someone leaving and coming back don't. Other people do. Same for excited people who just got the device.
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Its called rules... look em up somtime
And the second link quite frankly got lucky
One was closed because it was a duplicate thread/post. Users are expected to use search before posting - especially since redundant or duplicate information is covered. It is a rule.
This thread is now closed too.