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Hey guys wondering all these Rom makers or Google/htc made any multi touch fix?
With all the custom kernels and open source roms, has any developer attempted to fix this issue?
Would like to play games without on screen keyboard issues due to multi touch, this also affects typing fast.
Thanks
Hardware not software please do some research
Thanks. So does the s-lcd have the same issues?
Ronaldo_9 said:
Thanks. So does the s-lcd have the same issues?
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the type of screen does not make a difference its the bit that lets the phone detect touch that is the issue here.
All HTC devices detect only one touch, and then detect the "size" of that touch which allows it to have pinch zoom when it detects a change in the size.
It cannot detect 2 individual touches.
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bedeabc said:
Wait a minute, the Desire does have a basic multi touch digitiser... pinch to zoom in the browser etc. proves this. The EVO guys have developed a multi touch keyboard fix btw
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you obviously didn't read what I just posted then.
It cannot touch 2 different touches at one, it detects one LARGE touch when two fingers are on, and then when you "pinch" it detects the size of that LARGE touch getting bugger or smaller.
Search for "Multitouch Visible Test" in the market.
That is an app for displaying the detected finger touches.
Lennyuk said:
you obviously didn't read what I just posted then.
It cannot touch 2 different touches at one, it detects one LARGE touch when two fingers are on, and then when you "pinch" it detects the size of that LARGE touch getting bugger or smaller.
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the desire dosent have multi touch, but dual touch instead, the issues people are having with games is beacause the desire gets confused When two fingers are placed close to each other or they cross the same axis because the data points get flipped, this is because of the way dual touch works, When you touch the screen with two fingers one by one, you get three points of reference: 1) Fixed Point – location of first finger, 2) Real Point – hardware detection point when two fingers are placed and 3) Fake Point – location of second finger. Interestingly, the hardware does not ‘know’ about this position – instead it is calculated by the application.
Is this translated in a hardware level or just driver?
Lennyuk said:
you obviously didn't read what I just posted then.
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Both rude and falsely assumed.
I loaded the page a long time before you replied and only saw your reply after I had submitted mine. I edited my post immediately after seeing yours.
bedeabc said:
Both rude and falsely assumed.
I loaded the page a long time before you replied and only saw your reply after I had submitted mine. I edited my post immediately after seeing yours.
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ok then, sorry
And as mentioned you are wrong, as the desire do detect 2 points/fingers. Any multitouch test app from the market will show that.
mortenmhp said:
And as mentioned you are wrong, as the desire do detect 2 points/fingers. Any multitouch test app from the market will show that.
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no, what we have said is correct, the apps show an output but its not true multitouch.
All you have to do is try any multitouch app and do a google search to see all deivces up until now (after desire) made by HTC have dual touch, not multitouch
basically speaking it can detect certain multitouch gestures but not everything.
well i can play sonic and a load of other games and snesoid on the genisoid with run and jump buttons together, which tells me it's at least dual touch, to be honest the screen isnt really big enough to get 3 or 4 fingers on it properly and see what you are doing anyway
I will record a video of the hardware limitation of the touchscreen in HTC Desire.
lollylost100 said:
I will record a video of the hardware limitation of the touchscreen in HTC Desire.
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or just search on youtube, loads have been done already.
I am not on about the lack of multitouch, there is a bug with two points with two near x, or y, axis points; they join together for some strange reason.
Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noQBUDy-WCQ
This is why multitouch keyboards dont work and there are problems with the PSX4droid emulator when having both dpad and control buttons on top or both on bottom.
I read somewhere that there was code in Android for a that filtered the Droid's multitouch results, that results in the Droid not having the axis flipping issue (does still have the sticking issue when close). Is there any way this code can be implemented on the Desire?
I think a developer called Phhusion on the Acer liquid forum in Modaco solved this software wise.
mr.r9 said:
I think a developer called Phhusion on the Acer liquid forum in Modaco solved this software wise.
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NO...
i am reading the post but... it's a work around... and it is works quite well, quite...
It does not resolve the bug!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/06/google-maps-for-mobile-5-unveiled-adds-dynamic-map-drawing-and/
It seems that the desire won't be supported, but I hope that list is not final.
There are very similar devices (eg. HTC Incredible) so maybe they just forgot about the Desire
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/06/google-maps-for-mobile-5-unveiled-adds-dynamic-map-drawing-and/
It seems that the desire won't be supported, but I hope that list is not final.
There are very similar devices (eg. HTC Incredible) so maybe they just forgot about the Desire
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I think we'll see an update, just not the full feature update. Same as the Nexus 1
I think the 3D tilt view will not be fully supported on the Desire/N1 due to the multi-touch issue. The main thing is the offline caching and we will get it.
Ye only thing is the multitouch bug that will make some of the tilting quite difficult.
Yes the Nexus one and the Desire have a poor Touch Panel, so altho it will get Google maps 5 You won't be able to rotate the Maps with a gesture (Although it SHOULD be able to do a pivot gesture according to its specification), The Droid incredible has a different Touch panel, which although still only Dual touch, handles that gesture fine without buggyness.
There is no "multitouch bug", the Desire supports pinch to zoom, not multitouch.
Working as designed.
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There is no "multitouch bug", the Desire supports pinch to zoom, not multitouch.
Working as designed.
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+1 there is no multi touch bug because the desire has dual touch not multi touch
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AndroHero said:
+1 there is no multi touch bug because the desire has dual touch not multi touch
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using Tapatalk
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There is a bug, as the Droid Incredible is only Dual touch as well but doesn't do the same thing. Just don't call it a multitouch bug but its still a bug.
AntonyStark said:
There is a bug, as the Droid Incredible is only Dual touch as well but doesn't do the same thing. Just don't call it a multitouch bug but its still a bug.
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As you said 3 posts up, the Droid has a different touch panel and has more features. Its not a bug, its a limitation. The panel does as it was advertised to do...pinch gestures.
Yes, the axes swap and the points stick together when on close x or y, but this doesn't stop it from doing its job, pinch gestures work fine with these limitations, therefore, not a bug.
The only advertised feature is pinch to zoom, which is working as designed.
Calling the lack of multitouch support a bug is the as same as calling the lack of face camera a bug... ;-)
mercianary said:
As you said 3 posts up, the Droid has a different touch panel and has more features. Its not a bug, its a limitation. The panel does as it was advertised to do...pinch gestures.
Yes, the axes swap and the points stick together when on close x or y, but this doesn't stop it from doing its job, pinch gestures work fine with these limitations, therefore, not a bug.
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But as I said in the same post, The touch panel in the desire is advertised to be able to do the gestures needed (both Pivot and rotate) and to close proximity, the phone is incapable of doing these and exhibits strange behaviours when you do them, thats bugginess to me, at worst its a defect, not a limitation.
bubble said:
The only advertised feature is pinch to zoom, which is working as designed.
Calling the lack of multitouch support a bug is the as same as calling the lack of face camera a bug... ;-)
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Its not working as designed, it was designed to do more, it cant for one reason or another, HTC messed up by putting it in the Nexus one and the Desire, thats why we have touch sensitive screen or Pitch to Zoom in brackets, but I'm talking about what the Digitizer manufacturers say it can do.
In your scenario it would be a phone having a camera and a flash in your phone, but to take a picture with a flash doesn't work, then calling it a video light....
I agree that not having real multitouch support is annoying, but you bought this device knowing this.
If you didn't know, you should probably take the habit to read some reviews before buying something...
bubble said:
I agree that not having real multitouch support is annoying, but you bought this device knowing this.
If you didn't know, you should probably take the habit to read some reviews before buying something...
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I wasn't complaining, I was just spelling out why it isn't supported, with more background. Maybe you should take the habit to read before posting something....
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I wasn't complaining, I was just spelling out why it isn't supported, with more background. Maybe you should take the habit to read before posting something....
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I was actually using the ""Impersonal You"
Where is here the problem? The list is so short that not only the Desire is missing but many other devices which also have or not any multitouch bug
The whole thing bugs me, so it must be a bug...
its so sad that desire isn't in the list ...
Calm down, someone will make it work, whether it comes to the Desire officially or not.
The Desire's touch panel has an issue where it gets confused if you cross an axis with two fingers at once.
This means the rotating gesture will not work reliably, because if you cross an axis with two fingers at the same time, the map will rotate in the wrong direction.
Everything else should work and I think the issue is a rather small one, so most likely all we need is the .apk (if it doesn't get released for the Desire anyway).
There are apps out that show you what the touch sensor is seeing, where it will register multiple touched locations, but only two actually do anything at the same time. If you put three fingers on it, it will show all three, but if you try to move, only two will show the sliders for each finger moving.
Also, if you try to use two fingers, one at 2 o'clock and one at 7 o'clock, and rotate them clockwise, when they are at the 12/6 or 9/3 axis, the circles at your fingers switch with each other and it acts up.
I agree how some see it as a bug, but I would have to say it is just a limitation due to what our device was designed with. (A black and white TV can't show color picture, it's a hardware limitation, not a bug)
I wonder if something along the lines of the hack that allows single-touch displays to be able to use dual-touch would work to allow dual-touch to use multi-touch...thereby allowing GM5 to work without issue?
A clip showing how bad the screen banding can get. Just recorded it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tJJJzAe0QU&feature=youtu.be
THIS FIXED IT FOR ME, big thanks to - jedi5diah
Attention! I found out that the damn FASTBOOT option is causing a lot of problems esp related to camera and browser screen glitches.
My wife's one X is on fastboot and had a auto reboot and a few force closes and screen glitches started to appear, compared to mine with fastboot off from first day had non of the above mentioned issues.
Go to settings/Power then uncheck fastboot option and restart your phone.
pardon me if this has been mentioned.
That's not banding, banding us when gradients are not smooth. What you see are graphical glitches, these are usually graphics driver issues.
Is it a driver issue? If it is then won't all units be effected? Or some with ealier firmware? I am using 1.26.401 and do not have this problem.
DazzXP said:
Is it a driver issue? If it is then won't all units be effected? Or some with ealier firmware? I am using 1.26.401 and do not have this problem.
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I don't own a One X (yet) but maybe it's a setting or it depends on the codecs of the movie used. On my SGS2 there is a setting to force 2d hw acceleration under development options, try toggling it
have this issue aswell. comming up sometimes in browser.
ok i watched the video and i can see it's occurring in a specific scenario when the menu drops down
I can safely say it might very well be a kernel problem, most custom GB kernels on the Desire HD had a similar problem when an HD video is played in portrait, only the official kernel worked well but then we had to wait for HTC to give us the source
but why some have it and others don't? despite being on same firmware?
usually a device have different configurations internally, such as two/three different sources for the screen, camera or sensors, there might be a conflict with a specific combination and hence again a kernel problem
or a random Tegra3 related memory leak that needs plugging
third possibility might be a defect somewhere in the device or SOC, but after watching this video i think its unlikely
DazzXP said:
Is it a driver issue? If it is then won't all units be effected? Or some with ealier firmware? I am using 1.26.401 and do not have this problem.
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I'm pretty sure it's a graphics driver issue. I'm running 1.26.401.2
hamdir said:
ok i watched the video and i can see it's occurring in a specific scenario when the menu drops down
I can safely say it might very well be a kernel problem, most custom GB kernels on the Desire HD had a similar problem when an HD video is played in portrait, only the official kernel worked well but then we had to wait for HTC to give us the source
but why some have it and others don't? despite being on same firmware?
usually a device have different configurations internally, such as two/three different sources for the screen, camera or sensors, there might be a conflict with a specific combination and hence again a kernel problem
or a random Tegra3 related memory leak that needs plugging
third possibility might be a defect somewhere in the device or SOC, but after watching this video i think its unlikely
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What do you think, could this be kernel problem to.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24475367&postcount=46
I don't know if i should DOA it, you pay hell of money and you get this feeling.
This is a widespread hardware problem not a driver issue. Some samples have it and others don't even though they are on the same software version.
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What do you think, could this be kernel problem to.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24475367&postcount=46
I don't know if i should DOA it, you pay hell of money and you get this feeling.
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yea i already know this one, seems similar to the above, unless the nudging on the screen is physically causing it, can also be graphics acceleration drivers issue
like i said on the Desire HD whenever video acceleration get messed up it shows similar corruption and its all software related, we know T3 accelerates video by NEON in each core and also in the battery saver core, its definitively an NV mess
if nativestranger is correct then HTC have a disaster on their hands, still even hardware issues if figured out can be plugged by software like HTC disabled the 2d core in certain Sensation configurations
I have the same issue, dont know if i should exchange it or just wait for an update... Gonna send this video to HTC.
http://db.tt/uPvJkvYn
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WarheadNOR said:
I have the same issue, dont know if i should exchange it or just wait for an update... Gonna send this video to HTC.
http://db.tt/uPvJkvYn
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
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i understand how pissed you must be
but yea same, it can be either software or hardware
I have the same problem and i dont know what to do, wait or return?
Is it software or hardware? If its software its np to wait but if its hardware i wanna return it asap :/
Can all one x user try do like this video and see if your get same bug?
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qigl22ogcciur67/1C17INr6PJ/20120406_160836.mp4
It's very sporadic. I just got the YouTube glitch too, when the video is in HD it glitches like crazy. These glitches also happens in the browser and the notification bar. But sometimes it.dosent look like in the video, it more like "noise" on the screen, but never lasts long enough to get it on camera... So people might.not be able to reproduce it.
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That issue is software related, the video directly above it appears to be a sence UI problem. the one on the main tread i can't replicate even with 2d hardware rendering.
DazzXP said:
That issue is software related, the video directly above it appears to be a sence UI problem. the one on the main tread i can't replicate even with 2d hardware rendering.
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Nice find, when i change launcher i can't get the bug. Can you other try it to?
Edit: you don't need to change launcher, pull down the status bar when you are in a app that is not sene or htc related.
similar problem
I've had it happen twice in camera mode with the same banding, and once with full screen banding and green blocks... getting a replacement tomorrow
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Nice find, when i change launcher i can't get the bug. Can you other try it to?
Edit: you don't need to change launcher, pull down the status bar when you are in a app that is not sene or htc related.
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can you explain more? did you figure it out?
b-george said:
Nice find, when i change launcher i can't get the bug. Can you other try it to?
Edit: you don't need to change launcher, pull down the status bar when you are in a app that is not sene or htc related.
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I tried with GOlauncher and i couldnt provoke it to glitch, i fastpressed the notification bar but nothing happend so i guess its a Sense 4.0 problem?
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Could you try this:
Go into safemode:
1. Press " power key " for power on device
2. Wait until "HTC logo" appears on screen
3. Press and hold " Volume down key " until entering OS
4. " Safe Mode " text will appears on the lower left of screen Safe mode will disable all 3rd party apps and only preinstalled apps will work, this is done because some of 3rd party apps can interfere with your phone functionality.
In safe mode try to fastpress the notification bar couple/plenty times
to try provoke the glitches, i cant provoke them.. In safe mode all 3rd part apps are off, could this problem have to do something with 3rd party apps?
Hello,
My desire has some touch related problems, the screen acts like I toching on the top right of the screen (notification bar area) and then he gets crazy, make me to lose my mind many times....
A new touch screen + intallation cost in my country like 100$, and I dont think its worth for such an old device...
There is any way to disable multi touch or and other method that can help me fix this?
Thanks alot,
Daniel.
dan_l2 said:
Hello,
My desire has some touch related problems, the screen acts like I toching on the top right of the screen (notification bar area) and then he gets crazy, make me to lose my mind many times....
A new touch screen + intallation cost in my country like 100$, and I dont think its worth for such an old device...
There is any way to disable multi touch or and other method that can help me fix this?
Thanks alot,
Daniel.
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Frankly, it s quite a known issue t the Desire has a faulty touchscreen and you should know that by having used the search button with lots of occurences.
First thing first: The HTC Desire has a dual- touch screen type and not multitouch. The means it has been designed mainly to support pinch to zoom actions. Therefore only two fingers can be recognized "fine",on the screen.
Why "fine"? Because it actually takes the real position of the first finger and calculate the virtual position of the second finger. This touchscreen configuration has created an issue that is well known as Axis swapping and stickiness. Search this on the Desire and you should get more information that, I hope, will help you very well
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Frankly, it s quite a known issue t the Desire has a faulty touchscreen and you should know that by having used the search button with lots of occurences.
First thing first: The HTC Desire has a dual- touch screen type and not multitouch. The means it has been designed mainly to support pinch to zoom actions. Therefore only two fingers can be recognized "fine",on the screen.
Why "fine"? Because it actually takes the real position of the first finger and calculate the virtual position of the second finger. This touchscreen configuration has created an issue that is well known as Axis swapping and stickiness. Search this on the Desire and you should get more information that, I hope, will help you very well
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Please press thanks if I helped you in anyway.
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Thanks about the fast awnser =]
I searched about touch related issues, but this is not the problem Iam talking about...
I cant use the phone in avarage use, I getting crazy from using it every day,
Its hardware related issue...
Up, help please
Assuming you can disable multitouch. Your screen acts like it's always touching the top right side of the screen, then you wont even be able to swipe your finger as that top right screen bug will always make use of the touch functionality.
You determined it's a hardware issue then go replace the screen.
Will touch screen digitizer can harmed by double tap wakeup? I had a htc m7 earlier and i put double tap wakeup using sence tool box or something like that. But after few months about 1cm line started not responding. So i'm afraid to put it on my m8. So please give me some suggestions.
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Will touch screen digitizer can harmed by double tap wakeup? I had a htc m7 earlier and i put double tap wakeup using sence tool box or something like that. But after few months about 1cm line started not responding. So i'm afraid to put it on my m8. So please give me some suggestions.
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I hv been using this feature for quite long now on my m8. It doesnt harm in any way. And you dont need to install double tap to wake, its enabled by default on stock rom and most custom roms on M8.
I have never had any hardware or software related issues with double tap to wake on the following devices -
1. M8
2. Oneplus One
3. Zennfone 2
4. Vibe X2
So dont worry go ahead and use it.
Thanks for quick reply. Yeah i know that m8's official firmware include that feature. Anyway i'll use it. Will it make battery drain?
nascar895 said:
Thanks for quick reply. Yeah i know that m8's official firmware include that feature. Anyway i'll use it. Will it make battery drain?
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Yup it will, the reason is touch screen will be always active even if display is off, so as to detect double tap. But practically battery drain will be unnoticeable.