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I don't know if there was already a thread about this, but I searched and didn't find anything.
So my USB port on my cappy is busted, so I had to buy this. I just got it today, but was disappointed to find out that it only charges the battery included (which I believe is a fascinate battery), and I can't use the other 2 batteries I have. The fascinate battery works fine, but I'd rather have 2 batteries to use for a backup. Could someone explain to me why it doesn't charge my cappy/i9000 batteries or any solution?
Edit: Also, nobody else seems to have this problem from reading the reviews.
Well the first thing that comes to mind for me is, are you sure the usb on your phone is busted? Maybe the problem is your original battery has stopped taking a charge. You said busted but I don't know if you mean physically as in you can no longer stick your wire in it, or just when you plug it in the battery does not get charged.
Busted isn't a concise enough description of the problem for me to be able to give a better answer.
I use the oem spare battery charger/stand and i love it.. Might want to try that if you dont get a repair or warranty done
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fianor said:
Well the first thing that comes to mind for me is, are you sure the usb on your phone is busted? Maybe the problem is your original battery has stopped taking a charge. You said busted but I don't know if you mean physically as in you can no longer stick your wire in it, or just when you plug it in the battery does not get charged.
Busted isn't a concise enough description of the problem for me to be able to give a better answer.
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Lol sorry, my usb port will not charge or sync at all. I also JUST ordered another battery, so unless my old battery stopped charging right when my usb port broke, and the new one I got was broken, I don't think it's a problem with the batteries. I just don't know why it would charge the fascinate battery and not my 2 cappy batteries.
xhozt said:
I use the oem spare battery charger/stand and i love it.. Might want to try that if you dont get a repair or warranty done
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But that is what I'm using? I'm waiting for connexion2005 to offer the repair, unless someone else wants to point me to another reliable repair service.
Thnikk said:
Lol sorry, my usb port will not charge or sync at all. I also JUST ordered another battery, so unless my old battery stopped charging right when my usb port broke, and the new one I got was broken, I don't think it's a problem with the batteries. I just don't know why it would charge the fascinate battery and not my 2 cappy batteries.
But that is what I'm using? I'm waiting for connexion2005 to offer the repair, unless someone else wants to point me to another reliable repair service.
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I just found myself in the same position as of two days ago (damned questionable design for the way the cappy's USB port is set and secured). Did you ever find out if there was a reason why you couldn't charge the batteries that originally came with the phone?
FYI: My timing for the 1 year warranty was awful in that it expired 19 days ago. As for insurance repair/replacement, I wasn't looking at replacing my cappy for approximately $125. So, after looking at doing a Walmart/Target deal, and then finding out they are still charging for tax, when it came down to costs I went with the external charger and replacement battery option after a lot of reading on the web, amazon, and then eventually to the posts on this topic....
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I just found myself in the same position as of two days ago (damned questionable design for the way the cappy's USB port is set and secured). Did you ever find out if there was a reason why you couldn't charge the batteries that originally came with the phone?
FYI: My timing for the 1 year warranty was awful in that it expired 19 days ago. As for insurance repair/replacement, I wasn't looking at replacing my cappy for approximately $125. So, after looking at doing a Walmart/Target deal, and then finding out they are still charging for tax, when it came down to costs I went with the external charger and replacement battery option after a lot of reading on the web, amazon, and then eventually to the posts on this topic....
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Nah, I'm still using the one battery. Sort of a hassle (I can't use my phone as an alarm since I charge it overnight) but I guess I'm happy that I can at least use the phone. I'm still waiting for someone to offer a cheap repair though. It sucks not being able to put anything on my internal sd and having to use the ota miui updates, but it's better than nothing.
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Thnikk said:
Nah, I'm still using the one battery. Sort of a hassle (I can't use my phone as an alarm since I charge it overnight) but I guess I'm happy that I can at least use the phone. I'm still waiting for someone to offer a cheap repair though. It sucks not being able to put anything on my internal sd and having to use the ota miui updates, but it's better than nothing.
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Wifi Explorer from the market is great for transferring files to and from the phone using a wifi network since USB is not an option for you.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.dooblou.WiFiFileExplorer&feature=search_result
IIRC the Fascinated battery won't charge in a Captivate and vice versa. They have different part numbers. I'm not sure of the techincal details but it has something to do with the different currents the two phones charge at.
beast534 said:
Wifi Explorer from the market is great for transferring files to and from the phone using a wifi network since USB is not an option for you.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.dooblou.WiFiFileExplorer&feature=search_result
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I've been using dropbox for a while, but I really need a USB connection since I want to continue work on my theme and it requires so much trial and error.
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IIRC the Fascinated battery won't charge in a Captivate and vice versa. They have different part numbers. I'm not sure of the techincal details but it has something to do with the different currents the two phones charge at.
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Well that's a bit irritating. I guess then shouldn't have been advertising it as a charger for all phones, then.
I could probably do the repair work if pointed to the correct part necessary to replace the broken USB port. I fear one of these days my Captivate will suffer the same fate.
My qualifications: I do a lot of fine SMD/SMT reworking by hand. Mainly video game consoles and other consumer electronic goods. I have reputation/feedback on other forums as well as eBay if desired.
Thnikk said:
I don't know if there was already a thread about this, but I searched and didn't find anything.
So my USB port on my cappy is busted, so I had to buy this. I just got it today, but was disappointed to find out that it only charges the battery included (which I believe is a fascinate battery), and I can't use the other 2 batteries I have. The fascinate battery works fine, but I'd rather have 2 batteries to use for a backup. Could someone explain to me why it doesn't charge my cappy/i9000 batteries or any solution?
Edit: Also, nobody else seems to have this problem from reading the reviews.
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You are not alone, ordered mine (the charger only)
And it won't charge any of my batteries (2 OEMs and 1 that comes with the phone)
Now it sits there as a glorified dock.
APE992 said:
I could probably do the repair work if pointed to the correct part necessary to replace the broken USB port. I fear one of these days my Captivate will suffer the same fate.
My qualifications: I do a lot of fine SMD/SMT reworking by hand. Mainly video game consoles and other consumer electronic goods. I have reputation/feedback on other forums as well as eBay if desired.
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You could try asking connexion2005, I think he said he was getting the part at some point. Thanks for offering, people like you make me enjoy xda
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You are not alone, ordered mine (the charger only)
And it won't charge any of my batteries (2 OEMs and 1 that comes with the phone)
Now it sits there as a glorified dock.
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We should write some nasty reviews since nobody else did D:<
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We should write some nasty reviews since nobody else did D:<
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Well, isn't there anything in Amazon against false advertising? ;D
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So I plan on going to an all weekend music festival. Not sure if my campground will have electric outlets available on my campsite. I do have two extra batteries, so that helps. But I know with my Sensation I could go through 3 batteries in ONE DAY of a fest easy. It's too late to order anything online so eBay and whatnot are out of the question.
I guess my actual question is, Any one have a good idea for charging batteries quickly? I have a car charger but that would take two or three hours per battery and I'm not asking someone to let me drain their battery like that. I know there are solar chargers but I assume those would take FOREVER! I wonder how well those little battery powered duracell or whatever chargers work? Luckily, according to the maps I'm going to be in a great coverage area so that will help, and I can always turn off the data I guess but... I'm looking for something relatively inexpensive, practical, and works without a lot of hassle. tia
id look into external batteries.
i dont really have any better suggestions. maybe someone else will
there's no way a car battery would die charging the phone...you probably could charge your phone several dozen times easily.
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there's no way a car battery would die charging the phone...you probably could charge your phone several dozen times easily.
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sure, but just having the car would lead to other things being used, car radio, and just overall, having the battery and whatever being drained is not a good idea. I'm looking for some kind of external power source. I've seen some reviewed, I'm looking for personal experience and what kind of process is involved.
there are plenty of external power charger...
http://www.amazon.com/New-Trent-Sen...d=1345703890&sr=8-5&keywords=portable+charger
that one could charge your S3 4-5 times.. guess it would have helped to start looking a few days earlier? :silly:
there is also something like this but you'd be lucky to fully charge the S3 once..
mintyboost.
I've used mipow and it's pretty good.
but if you're going camping, turn off your phone and enjoy the outdoors
just buy an inverter. problem solved. you can always start your car to recharge the car battery :good:
actng said:
I've used mipow and it's pretty good.
but if you're going camping, turn off your phone and enjoy the outdoors
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plan on using my phone for lots of pictures and videos. not so much for internet purposes so I guess turning data off would help
tft said:
there are plenty of external power charger...
http://www.amazon.com/New-Trent-Sen...d=1345703890&sr=8-5&keywords=portable+charger
that one could charge your S3 4-5 times.. guess it would have helped to start looking a few days earlier? :silly:
there is also something like this but you'd be lucky to fully charge the S3 once..
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yeah i'm a slacker, lol so you don't think that duracell one would work very well?
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just buy an inverter. problem solved. you can always start your car to recharge the car battery :good:
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I was thinking about an inverter too. probably could get a cheap one at radio shack, no?
Buy an extra car battery, specifically for charging the phone?
Just leave it in the back of the car and connect up cables to charge the phone with.
You can try this if a bestbuy close to you has it
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Accesso...&skuId=4823783&st=external battery&cp=2&lp=12
or if you want to next day something from Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/Anker®-10000m...745264&sr=1-2&keywords=anker+external+battery
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yeah i'm a slacker, lol so you don't think that duracell one would work very well?
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it's only 2000mah so it' would barely fully charge the S3 once.
tony yayo said:
plan on using my phone for lots of pictures and videos. not so much for internet purposes so I guess turning data off would help
yeah i'm a slacker, lol so you don't think that duracell one would work very well?
I was thinking about an inverter too. probably could get a cheap one at radio shack, no?
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inverter :good: walmart :good: then just return it when u get back lmao :good:
I have the Anker Astro 3 10000MaHr battery for when I go motorcycle camping. That is good for about 5 recharges.
Find a car to charge off of. You won't harm the huge car battery.
Forget solar. It is WAY too impractical for what you want.
If you must have it NOW, the extra car battery (or cheap lawn mower) isn't a bad idea either.
I bought a couple of cheap Chinese replacement batteries for my Xperia Play just to see if they were any good. So far, they seem to be lasting a lot longer than the original battery, but I've noticed I cannot charge them using the phone (it seems I have to use the standalone charger that came with the batteries). Is there any way I can convince the phone to charge these batteries, or is there some kind of hardware lockout for third party batteries that I won't be able to get around?
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I bought a couple of cheap Chinese replacement batteries for my Xperia Play just to see if they were any good. So far, they seem to be lasting a lot longer than the original battery, but I've noticed I cannot charge them using the phone (it seems I have to use the standalone charger that came with the batteries). Is there any way I can convince the phone to charge these batteries, or is there some kind of hardware lockout for third party batteries that I won't be able to get around?
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It's probably not a hardware lockout, just that the batteries are cheap. It comes with it's limitations, I presume.
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It's probably not a hardware lockout, just that the batteries are cheap. It comes with it's limitations, I presume.
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The thing is, if there wasn't a lockout, I would assume the phone would at least be trying to charge them. It doesn't even show the charging icon when I plug it in. It just sits there running off USB power without providing any charging voltage to the battery. It may very well be that since the batteries are cheap, the manufacturer didn't bother to put a correct ID chip in or something, though. I'm just wondering if there's something I can change in the phone's settings or in some configuration file, or if it's something I can't do anything about at all. I did change the capacity in build.prop to match what's on the label for the batteries, if that might have affected the charging capabilities in some way.
Okay, the second battery of the two did show the charging icon when I plugged the USB cable into the phone. Interesting. Of course, it was already fully charged when I booted the phone with the USB cable attached, so maybe that had something to do with it. I'll have to see if the behavior is the same once it's been run down a little.
You get what you paid for. Sounds more truerer than ever. No pun intended.
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You get what you paid for. Sounds more truerer than ever. No pun intended.
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No need to lecture me, I knew I was probably headed for some issues. Just feeling optimistic, haha.
What's awesome is that they really do last a lot longer than the stock battery. Phone's been on for almost 5 hours now, I've been tethering over WiFi for at least two hours, and the battery is just over half depleted. My stock battery would be blinking the 10% warning after this amount of tethering.
Okay, weirdness. The second battery charges in the phone without any problem (I let it run all the way down this time, then plugged in the USB connection). I wonder if it has anything to do with the way the label on the first battery bunched up when I inserted it? Maybe that was causing one of the contacts to not make a solid connection or something. I'll have to try it out again later.
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You get what you paid for. Sounds more truerer than ever. No pun intended.
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I'm sorry, I just re-read this, and I'm genuinely confused by your statement regarding puns. I'll accept it as true, but I'm not sure which part of the preceding statement could be taken for a pun. I mean there's 'more truerer', which is kind of a funny way to word things, but it doesn't call the word 'pun' to my mind, haha.
Alright, well, I tried it again with the label un-bunched, and I guess battery #1 is just defective. Battery #2 still charges happily. I'll e-mail the seller and ask if they're willing to send me another battery or give me a partial refund (although a partial refund out of $22 wouldn't be that much, haha).
EDIT: Alright, I sent the seller a message, and they're just going to send me a replacement battery. I don't even have to send back the defective one! I just hope the new battery works like the 'good' one of the two I got in this set, and not like the 'bad' one. If anyone's curious, these are the MPJ brand batteries available on eBay. At the price they sell for, and with the willingness of the seller to correct a situation like the one I got into, they're probably worth the risk.
I only wish I could say whether the batteries are better than a brand new stock battery. The battery I got with my phone was sealed and unused, but for some reason it was a year older than the phone itself, so it might have already been suffering from diminished capacity due to age. The MPJ batteries definitely last a lot longer than my phone's battery when I first got the phone back in January, though.
Been reading some of the other topics here trying to learn which is the best choice for an extended battery for the T989. I've seen praise going out to Anker and EC Technologies, an extended battery for the Galaxy Nexus, someone having decent luck with a battery with Chinese printing on it, etc.
So let's make this simple...
1. Is there a definitive list of which batteries have consistently shown better performance over others and have shown to do at or above the expected return compared to the stock battery?
2. Are there any particular companies/brands/etc to avoid at all costs? As in, so bad that even manufacturers of other below-par extended batteries can honestly brag about not being THAT bad.
3. From what I've read and learned, most non stock batteries don't support NFC. Are there any reliable extended batteries that do? Are there alternatives to keep NFC available even if the battery doesn't support it? I have a feeling the answer is no to the last one, but I could be wrong.
Not really battery related, but charging related...
1. I've come across a dual purpose charger with the Sprint name on it (via ebay). It plugs into a car but you can unfold prongs on it so it can be plugged into the wall. On the end (away from car adapter), there are two USB ports (one open, the other you can uncover when needed). Are those any good? Main interest here is the dual USB option as well as being able to use in a car or in a house.
2. I guess more importantly would be, are the accessories seen on ebay generally reliable (Buy It Now auctions, reputable sellers of course)? A lot of the car plugs I've seen look like I wouldn't have much to grab to pull on when needing to unplug it and that worries me. Also concerned about the quality/safety/reliability of the products and thus the question. If they are all pretty much "all the same" just different looks and such, but otherwise all safe, then that's great.
3. From #1.. Are there any reliable/reputable car/wall chargers that provide more than two USB ports? Like the idea of it being a single car/wall charging unit, but if it's two pieces (with more than two USB ports each), that works too.
Ever since getting and starting to use the T989... Wow, I wonder what I'm doing to cause it to need to be charged 20 times/day. (Not literally.)
For the record, I had made the slight boo-boo of getting a pair of the cheapo 'extended' batteries before reading up on them. Not too bad though, doesn't hurt to have spares. I saw a reference to recalibrating a battery, but when going into recovery mode, didn't see an option referred to for resetting the stats. Are there any decent guides for proper care of a battery? Best practices when first getting it, when to charge it, not charge it, etc.
Thanks for any help provided. Now off to enjoy my phone some more. Haven't talked much on it yet but hey, only had it about three weeks.
for your answer for number 3 there is an app called super beam if my memory serves me right and has a blue kind of wifi signal and should serve as a good NFC "alternative"
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for your answer for number 3 there is an app called super beam if my memory serves me right and has a blue kind of wifi signal and should serve as a good NFC "alternative"
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By alternative, do you mean it's not NFC but serves the same purpose? I'll definitely check it out, as I can see the usefulness of NFC. Still would like to know if NFC itself can be accomplished when using a battery that doesn't support it. Actually, more of, wanting to understand it just enough to know if it's possible and how (if so) or why (if not). I hope that makes sense.
I had tried bump but that was a bit of a disappointment. Will try looking for 'super beam' and see if I can find it. Thanks.
Edit: Found it.
SuperBeam (com.majedev.superbeam), without a space in the name. Looks promising, will try it out.
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2. Are there any particular companies/brands/etc to avoid at all costs? As in, so bad that even manufacturers of other below-par extended batteries can honestly brag about not being THAT bad.
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Basically if its not a well known, reputable brand name (samsung) they have no reason to be truthful about mah
Most of the no brand batteries are equal or lower mah than stock.
If samsung could fit more mah in a battery of that size, why would they not?
For charger testing use this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1801608
Higher numbers = faster charging
The max the phone will pull from a good charger is around 800ma, usb ports on pc's are limited to 500, which equals slow charging
:edit: not sure if this deal is still going, but alot of people (myself included) got free galaxy nexus extended batteries here
http://slickdeals.net/f/5055866-FREE-Sprint-Galaxy-Nexus-extended-battery?
It is a little fat for closing the back fully
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Basically if its not a well known, reputable brand name (samsung) they have no reason to be truthful about mah
Most of the no brand batteries are equal or lower mah than stock.
If samsung could fit more mah in a battery of that size, why would they not?
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Profits come to mind. Could be that they intended to sell an extended battery but in the end never did (did they?) or wanted to leave room for improvements as a selling point in the future. I'm sure you know companies will do that sort of thing to stay in business.
When I asked about ones to avoid, I meant if there are any particular ones that are the bottom of the barrel, even among 'generic' batteries. Perhaps identified by the label itself even if it doesn't have an actual name on it. Would still love to hear feedback in regards to the more popular batteries, as I don't want to order a pair from Anker and then come across a group praising some other brand (for example) and of course, vice versa.
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:edit: not sure if this deal is still going, but alot of people (myself included) got free galaxy nexus extended batteries here
http://slickdeals.net/f/5055866-FREE-Sprint-Galaxy-Nexus-extended-battery?
It is a little fat for closing the back fully
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So aside from the back not closing 100% (or can it with some effort?) it works in the S2?
Edit: Found answer in Galaxy nexus battery, apparently it does. Ordering one as I update this post (shipping is $6.50, not a bad deal for battery and cover).
I modified my battery, with a file. The result is a less buldging door
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40550113&postcount=180
Oh and the cover is only for the Gnex, you have to use your stock t989 battery cover
In terms of 3rd party batteries, anker is supposed to be one of the better ones.
Search the forum for anker broke to get an idea if the "best" third party is any good
BenKranged said:
I modified my battery, with a file. The result is a less buldging door
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40550113&postcount=180
Oh and the cover is only for the Gnex, you have to use your stock t989 battery cover
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Yeah I figured as much, still not a bad deal. I could probably sell the back on eBay, so that someone else ends up with it. Might not matter too much with the bulging door, as I'm using one of those 'Heavy Duty Rugged' cases. The one I got on eBay is item # 620107891193. Not really into the idea of doing anything to a battery, for fear of causing it to leak or something else which causes problems.
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In terms of 3rd party batteries, anker is supposed to be one of the better ones.
Search the forum for anker broke to get an idea if the "best" third party is any good
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Will do. Still need to check out that app you mentioned in the previous post.
When I first looked at the deal link you provided, the date alone had me thinking, "Oh yeah, this is likely long gone..." but decided that I had nothing to lose by checking it out. As you probably guessed by my last post, it's still good. Many thanks for that.
I'm curious if anyone's found any 3rd party chargers (or cradles) yet. Mine overheated and had a meltdown and I'm having some difficulty getting Asus to replace the darn thing.
Pics below. Beware. The watch seems fine, but was hot as hell when I took it off the charger in the morning.
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I'm curious if anyone's found any 3rd party chargers (or cradles) yet. Mine overheated and had a meltdown and I'm having some difficulty getting Asus to replace the darn thing.
Pics below. Beware. The watch seems fine, but was hot as hell when I took it off the charger in the morning.
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The charging cradle is now available here:
http://store.asus.com/us/category/A21026
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I'm curious if anyone's found any 3rd party chargers (or cradles) yet. Mine overheated and had a meltdown and I'm having some difficulty getting Asus to replace the darn thing.
Pics below. Beware. The watch seems fine, but was hot as hell when I took it off the charger in the morning.
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Jed123, I had the same thing happen to my charger this morning. Did you have success getting ASUS to replace it? THanks.
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Jed123, I had the same thing happen to my charger this morning. Did you have success getting ASUS to replace it? THanks.
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I tried for 2 weeks to get them to help me and both tech & customer service were pretty inept. By the time I'd gotten to the point where they were willing to replace the cradle, I decided to just return the thing to Best Buy.
Were I to do this entire thing all over again, I'd have just gone to Best Buy for an exchange. They do it immediately, no questions asked. Asus is hopeless.
But to be honest, I was sorta glad to give it back, charging issues aside. The watch just didn't do enough for me. I liked it while I kept my expectations low and tried not to think about it. But when I did, boy I'd get a bit frustrated with how half-baked it was, even as an early adopter product.
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I liked it while I kept my expectations low and tried not to think about it. But when I did, boy I'd get a bit frustrated with how half-baked it was, even as an early adopter product.
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Weird, I feel almost exactly the opposite, that there's very little about it that needs improvement. I guess I'm coming from a different place. I was really an early adopter: I used the first Sony Smartwatch for 2-1/2 years before getting the Asus. Compared to the old Sony, these Wear devices are amazingly good.
Same here. Love mine for now. lol
Could be the problem root cause be that the charger shipped with the cradle has an 1.35 A output , while the cradle itself is badged Input 5V, 0.5A ??? little bit too much current!!!
rdgs
H.
I actually had really good customer service from Asus. I emailed them, got an RMA and sent the watch and charging cradle to them and had it back within a week. They replaced the battery in my watch and gave me a new cradle. I sent the watch too bc I couldn't even power it on. I have pretty happy with it and have had it since Christmas.
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I charge watch from PC with USB 2.0 with max current is less than 1A (my guess it is limited to 0.5A) so hopefully it won't overheat. Still enough to fully charge watch in a reasonable time.
No. As long as the voltages match, you should be good. The current needs to be the same or greater than what the watch expects. It will pull what it needs. What would be bad would be an adapter that is greater than 5V. I fried an old Palm PDA that way back in the day when I was getting started. I'd be curious to know if the watch was doing anything intensive when it was charging (something that would keep it on an generate heat and warming the charging paddle up) or if it was placed somewhere that would cause it to heat up?
Hi,
I'm using the usb cable connected to my laptop USB, it takes a long time to charge (sometimes it's seems like it's not charging).
And i also have flickering screen when browsing through the quick settings.
can anyone tell me where i can get a EU charger? i've ordered mine in the US , but i live in europe.
Or maybe i just can use a generic US to EU adapter for the wall charger?
Thanks!
It doesn't work that way. The current rating denotes the max current the watch would ever draw, and the max current capable of being produced by the converter.
The converter can output a maximum of 1350 milliamps, whereas the watch consumes 500 milliamps. There's no way the watch would (under normal circumstances) consume more than 500ma, unless there's a short circuit. I suspect the problem was a thermal issue in the internal lithium-ion battery. If the charge regulator doesn't detect that the battery is fully charged, it won't shut off the input current, and the battery can (eventually) go into thermal breakdown. See Thermal Runaway.