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Anyone seen the article at PPCGeeks.com about Windows Phone 7??
I cant believe the crap Microsoft is trying to pull...
-At the Mobile World Congress event on February 15th, 2010, Windows Phone 7 will be unveilved, although at this time plans are only to unveil the user interface of the new platform . Specific indepth functionality of the device will most likely not be shown.
-The User Interface is based upon codename “METRO”. It will be very similar to the Zune HD User Interface with a complete revamp of the “Start” screen. The UI is “Very Clean”, “Soulful” and “Alive”
-Unfortunately there will be no Flash support at the get go as there was not enough time to implement these features.
-Windows Phone 7 will only support application installation through service based delivery. (i.e Marketplace). Application installation via storage card will not be possible.
- No Multi-Task support. Applications will “Pause” when in the background, however will support notifications via push notifications.
-Marketplace will now support “try before you buy” as well as an API
-No NETCF backwards compatibility. This means the original rumor of no backward compatibility for applications holds to be true. That being said, there are high hopes of porting the NetCF to the newer platform easily.
-Microsoft is confident that devices will be ready by September 2010
-Full Zune Integration
-Windows Mobile Device Center will no longer be used. Zune software to take over syncing via PC.
-OEM Interfaces will not be allowed to run on the device. Say goodbye to Sense UI / SPB Mobile Shell / Point UI / Infinity, etc, etc
-Full XBOX Gaming Integration (Gamer tag, achievements, friends, avatars, merchandising, etc)
-Full support for social networking
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Looks like I will be making my next phone purchase based on WinMo6 and Android... Prob wont ever go to WinMo7...
i wouldnt believe any rumors that come out until microsoft confirms it. there have been so many different rumors from respectable sources and they all contradict each other. who to believe? no one
I don't want an iPhone from my Windows phone!
lol. I may use Android but I was looking at WM and thinking "That is a way better work phone than a Blackberry." but after reading those new rumors I am starting to doubt that.
I hope they are wrong since we don't need another iFail on the market but I can tell you one thing. HTC won't stand for that. They will mask all the ugly with their gorgeous HTC SENSE.
Yes but if u read that
-OEM Interfaces will not be allowed to run on the device. Say goodbye to Sense UI / SPB Mobile Shell / Point UI / Infinity, etc, etc
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So? I think we will see, because HD2 is running with sense, and i don't thing that official update to WM 7 will be something like that.
Oh whatever!...
honestly, why are you surprised?
Look at the success of the other companies and OS's who use similar strategies.
Lock down the device = enhanced and specific support for hardware, and etc., specifically hardware.
ZuneHD is a perfect example. I thought about getting one (for about 5 minutes) because of that sweet'n'sexy little tegra chip. MS couldn't have made that run as smooth & efficiently on a CE5.x base.
I will probably not get one of these phones either (unless they've not leaked some amazing feature like a free MS Surface Table with purchase of every WinPhone7, haha).
Though, I do wish MS the best of luck trying to deliver Proprietary content and software in a prettier way than Apple. I mean lets face it: Apple tends to slap handcuffs on it's customers and they still wanna dance. Hope MS's mobile department has been talking to the Xbox360's marketing Dept.
-OEM Interfaces will not be allowed to run on the device
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One of the many things I love about my phone is that I can change interfaces, get unique interfaces, and duplicate other phone's interfaces. lets hope this is only one version of Windows 7. It looks they are taking the iphone direction - make the phone idiot proof and lock it down
Haha sounds like someone is making fun of us and posts all that sucks on the iPhone OS:
-Unfortunately there will be no Flash support at the get go as there was not
enough time to implement these features.
-Windows Phone 7 will only support application installation through service based delivery. (i.e Marketplace). Application installation via storage card will not be possible.
- No Multi-Task support. Applications will “Pause” when in the background, however will support notifications via push notifications.
WM7
Hmm.. I see Microsoft Iphone
Well if that is true then I will be staying with winmo 6.1/6.5 and Android forever The HD2 is such a powerful beast, I hope Android will be fully ported to it...
Imagine dual booting WM6.5 & Android on the HD2 with it's powerful cpu & large clear capacitive screen!! Then WinMO 7 can go and die a slow death, I wouldn't care
UGH
I fear the future also, as many do. (of the wm os) Microsoft ~ Windows Mobile has a niche for getting things wrong pretty much all the time. I read a rather creditable article that the new sync software was to be the Zune software? WTF my Zune syncs wrong almost all the time especially this last time and the other last time...UGH I fear the future of Windows Mobile and hope they get there heads out of there A$$ and step it up. I've had to call Zune support multiple times and also have to yet to date. (again ugh)
~Windows Mobile Device Center will no longer be used. Zune software to take over syncing via PC.....?????
~DJyoSNOW~
~PLUR~ Peace Love Unity Respect
If it becomes true, then I will stick on WM 6.5 on the HD2. However, things may change, it could be fake, it could be hackable.
this looks fake... in fact i agree that someone listed all the things that suck on the iphone and wrote "windows phone 7" all over it.
these points look like from an US-centered point of view. i mean - marketplace?! it's crap all over the world and nearly empty, EXCEPT in the US. zune?! it has been released only where? exactly, again the US.
no OEM-gui allowed? if that were to be true, htc would've already announced to stop making winmo-phones.
nah, this is fake...
Just a Rumor
We still need to wait and see, this is a rumor. I think most people on here would not stand for an Iphone like OS and would move to android instead if Windows did that. I kinda believe they will have a duel os model and this description would fit the model for the media targeted devices. A professional-like version would keep alot of what we love alive and give us some of what we are hoping for.
Look what Apple did and how successful they are with those iPhone and iPod Touch.
But I doubt it is true, those rumors are (at least half of them) fake .
omg!!! no multi-task..
I don't think Microsoft will do this.
They must be crazy to.. If they do this, the 'enthusiast' users (the people currently still holding up Windows Mobile on their hands) will drop the new OS and MS would have to start all over again. Why would users choose for their OS while there are no advantages any longer?
Maybe this is the spec of some limited media/Zune version of the OS, not the PRO version, if these are actually true.
Might aswell be some bashing done by an iPhone/Andoid fanboy that got picked up further down the pipe.
I don't believe all of it. I think those are just rumors from the anti-MS people.
If MS ever wanted to make Windows to be like a MAC OS, they would have done it long ago. I don't think they will do such thing in the Mobile branch neither.
I would think(hope) it will be something like:
Windows Phone = Windows 7 Home (for the grandpas)
Windows Phone Pro = Windows 7 Ultimate/Pro (for the enthusiasts/geeks)
i doubt that there is not going to be any Multi-Tasking. thats what "Windows" is all about. probably all BS
OndraSter said:
Look what Apple did and how successful they are with those iPhone and iPod Touch.
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Yep, but just take a look why ppl are still sticking with the pretty outdated windows mobile. Because of an open system, not this closed sh*t. Seriously, why should anybody pick Windows Mobile 7 with the same shortcomings as the iPhone, when the iPhone got perfected for 4 years prior to the new MS OS ... with a whole more of useful apps.
But since android is a nice alternative with lots of customization-options and multitasking, I don't really care about MS f*cking up Windows Mobile 7. Would be nice if they didn't though ...
Nokia's content store will be intergrated of WP7 appstore. But my question is when? Also does this mean all of Nokia's app will transfer to WP7?
news bits: http://wmpoweruser.com/news-bits-from-microsoft-nokia-press-conference/
from what i gather (only my understanding, not direct word from MS/Nokia), they will be running the phones with windows phone 7. so once this happens, then those phones will be based on the windows phone market place. this will not open up the app market to current phones on the market (symbian driven).
Nokia has an app store up and running I'm 32 different counties. They've already gone through all the nuances and differences necessary to get a successful international international marketplace up and running.
When Nokia has their WP7 phones ready, WP7 devs will suddenly have access to the whole world for selling apps.
According to what I just read, Windows Marketplace will supercede Nokia's
I was just reading that this is more than just a OEM alliance. Nokia will be, in effect, the priority hardware R&D/partner for WP7. Nokia and MS will work together on hardware innovation to the WP7 platform. Hopefully this will mean we'll finally get some cool WP7 devices that compete hardware-wise with the top devices out there.
I think this is a smart and necessary move by MS. And I'm glad they did it so soon in the life-cycle of WP7 instead of waiting for it to almost die.
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According to what I just read, Windows Marketplace will supercede Nokia's
I was just reading that this is more than just a OEM alliance. Nokia will be, in effect, the priority hardware R&D/partner for WP7. Nokia and MS will work together on hardware innovation to the WP7 platform. Hopefully this will mean we'll finally get some cool WP7 devices that compete hardware-wise with the top devices out there.
I think this is a smart and necessary move by MS. And I'm glad they did it so soon in the life-cycle of WP7 instead of waiting for it to almost die.
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That was well put and I agree
WhyBe said:
According to what I just read, Windows Marketplace will supercede Nokia's
I was just reading that this is more than just a OEM alliance. Nokia will be, in effect, the priority hardware R&D/partner for WP7. Nokia and MS will work together on hardware innovation to the WP7 platform. Hopefully this will mean we'll finally get some cool WP7 devices that compete hardware-wise with the top devices out there.
I think this is a smart and necessary move by MS. And I'm glad they did it so soon in the life-cycle of WP7 instead of waiting for it to almost die.
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I agree. I see it as a premium move...as though MS struck gold.
I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer here (I LOVE my LG Quantum!)--but I do find it tough to convince people to get a Windows Phone over, say, an Android Phone or iPhone. I know there are several reasons behind this at the current stage of the game (lack of popular apps in comparison to iPhone/Android, pre-Mango APIs are lacking, missing what's now perceived to be "basic" functionality like cut-and-paste pre-NoDo, etc.), but let's think like a high school teenager for a moment here--validation is more important than individuality to many of them.
iPhone is hip
Android is hip
Windows Phone...not so much. If anything, "Windows" screams "geek." Should it have been called the Zune Phone? The X-Phone (similar to the XBox)?
Now I could be wrong about this hypothesis here, but in the off-chance that I'm not...how should Microsoft overcome this? Their partnership with Nokia may be a good start--the Nokia name pre-iPhone was fairly popular. At least this saves them from having to rename the phone altogether. People may be calling them "Nokia phones" instead of "Windows phone," even if some Nokia phones in two years may still use Symbian...
Thoughts?
I don't think anyone thinks Android is "hip" do they?
Many people I've spoken to have heard bad things about Windows Mobile and won't believe that Windows Phone is any different. Microsoft probably should have used a different brand name, but they'll pull back. The Nokia handsets will change everything.
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I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer here (I LOVE my LG Quantum!)--but I do find it tough to convince people to get a Windows Phone over, say, an Android Phone or iPhone. I know there are several reasons behind this at the current stage of the game (lack of popular apps in comparison to iPhone/Android, pre-Mango APIs are lacking, missing what's now perceived to be "basic" functionality like cut-and-paste pre-NoDo, etc.), but let's think like a high school teenager for a moment here--validation is more important than individuality to many of them.
iPhone is hip
Android is hip
Windows Phone...not so much. If anything, "Windows" screams "geek." Should it have been called the Zune Phone? The X-Phone (similar to the XBox)?
Now I could be wrong about this hypothesis here, but in the off-chance that I'm not...how should Microsoft overcome this? Their partnership with Nokia may be a good start--the Nokia name pre-iPhone was fairly popular. At least this saves them from having to rename the phone altogether. People may be calling them "Nokia phones" instead of "Windows phone," even if some Nokia phones in two years may still use Symbian...
Thoughts?
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All I can say is, ever since Gates left, Windows has taken a turn for the better. Windows 7 is cleaner and more elegant than MacOS, is more feature laden and seems to be trouble-free. If anything, I would think the Windows name would be a positive for WP7. And WP7 is the most elegant mobile OS I've ever used.
There may be some people who are down on Windows, but I doubt that many. iPhone is just a super popular phone and the great many just prefer it. There's a reason companies always like being the first on the scene. iPhone shows why. It's same way with anything in the market...from food to cars. The first always gains the most share and loyal following.
Microsoft needs to innovate and get to market with something so unique that it is the first of its kind...that is being desired by many. It can't be simply a new smartphone. The iPhone has that locked down. It has to be a new type of phone. If MS can figure one out with WP7, they will have a new iPhone on their hands.
reminds me of this article over on zdnet by Matt Miller
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phon...-windows-phone-7/6011?tag=mantle_skin;content
in my opinion, yes
when people see my phone, they almost always ask "android?" and when I say "no, windows phone" the look I get is almost always the same, a cross between surprise and disintrest
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All I can say is, ever since Gates left, Windows has taken a turn for the better. Windows 7 is cleaner and more elegant than MacOS, is more feature laden and seems to be trouble-free. If anything, I would think the Windows name would be a positive for WP7. And WP7 is the most elegant mobile OS I've ever used.
WTF! You do know, that they were developing Windows 7 before Gates left?
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vetvito said:
MartyLK said:
All I can say is, ever since Gates left, Windows has taken a turn for the better. Windows 7 is cleaner and more elegant than MacOS, is more feature laden and seems to be trouble-free. If anything, I would think the Windows name would be a positive for WP7. And WP7 is the most elegant mobile OS I've ever used.
WTF! You do know, that they were developing Windows 7 before Gates left?
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They also had Vista when Gates was there. They also had Millennium Edition and a few other horrors. They also had WinXP Pro 64.
The point is, Win7 is the best and Gates is gone.
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They weren't developing W7 when gates was there it was Longhorn\Vista
You guys really don't have a clue. Research before posting, please.
Just Google or Bing, Gates and Windows 7.
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The Nokia handsets will change everything.
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look, folks need a simple, solid choice. another phone from another manufacturer isn't going to change anything. microsoft is moving too slow. an update "in six months or so" doesn't cut it anymore.
they need to up the game.
So the topic is about Windows 7 and Gates?
Whatever. Gates is gone. WP7 is A/G. That's important.
And, I think that "windows" is turning people away. They should've called it ZuneOS. Or something like that. The magical brand of "windows" is not magical at all. I would like to call it Zune Phone. Or even maybe another name. Simple and cleaner.
I think it is somehow. It's easier to convince someone to try Bing rather than Windows Live Search isn't it?
Same applies to the phone, their marketing team could have come up with something if they had wanted that. And please, X-phone? Is that a phone for 12 year olds? The Xbox name would have been worse that Windows.
Ultimately once there are great phones, the phones name will do the job rather than the OS name. You don't usually talk about an android phone in everyday life, you talk about a HTC Desire, Nexus S, Samsung Galaxy S2, etc.
Actually, when you speak with someone about your phone, they usually ask "Is it Android?".
So, yes, it makes difference.
Windows mobile 6.5, windows phone 7, windows 7, windows phone 7.
Microsoft has some issues with brand identity here for sure. It sounds like WP7 is a continuation of 6.5, but it aint. It sounds like WP7 is somehow related to Windows 7; it aint. They probably screwed the pooch on the naming game, but hopefully as the OS continues to mature and develop it will garner due recognition for it's merrits.
When I first got my WP7, my buddy at work appeared to feel betrayed. He said "I thought you were moving to Android (I had WM6.5 before). I think it definatly does come into play. People that know a bit about smart phones will always tell you that "Windows Mobile was a bad system". No one seems to realise that WM became very good by the end of its life.
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Windows mobile 6.5, windows phone 7, windows 7, windows phone 7.
Microsoft has some issues with brand identity here for sure. It sounds like WP7 is a continuation of 6.5, but it aint. It sounds like WP7 is somehow related to Windows 7; it aint. They probably screwed the pooch on the naming game, but hopefully as the OS continues to mature and develop it will garner due recognition for it's merrits.
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Maybe once Mango is out, I will just call my phone a "Mango Phone". I'll see how that works
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Maybe once Mango is out, I will just call my phone a "Mango Phone". I'll see how that works
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I was thinking about that.. If everyone starts to change it's name to another.. Like, everyone I really means EVERYONE. Even blogs. Instead calling it "Windows Phone", call it, IDK, maybe your 'Mango Phone'. Microsoft would have to adopt the name. Windows Phone could be just the OS. WP7/7.1 OS.
To me, it would be something related to Zune.
I think that eye candy also has a lot to do with it especially for the younger generation. When I think of andriod I see the HTC sense screen, wp7 is basically 2 colors(simple and plain) when you first turn on both devices. Something like http://jozefkocur.blogspot.com/ would appeal more, even with the same base colors that are there now.
I know that if I went with andriod I could get everything on it I wanted, how much I would end up paying(dont wanna pay for apps) and how long it would take to find them all is another story. Where as with wp7 there have only been a few apps that I would add for functionality after mango, all free, and a few others items that I would deal with.
Advertising would help more as mango gets closer, I see more ads for Andriod than wp7, there are items in it that need to be out there for the ave dumb joe that doesnt research, they just pick up whatever is pretty, hot and has cool features shoved in their face.
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I think that eye candy also has a lot to do with it especially for the younger generation. When I think of andriod I see the HTC sense screen, wp7 is basically 2 colors(simple and plain) when you first turn on both devices. Something like http://jozefkocur.blogspot.com/ would appeal more, even with the same base colors that are there now.
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That Aero theme is just amazing, yet very simple. Easy to appeal to more customers with that indeed.
Wow!
MS should really do this way! And the another concept too, about multitasking. Better than Mango's.
Found it interesting that Microsoft just released an Xbox Live app for iOS users that does almost the exact same thing that our Xbox hub does. Is it me or did Microsoft just take away one of the coolest reasons to own a WP7?
Yes I know that you can't earn Xbox achievements on the iOS app, but one of the main things I loved about having the hub on my phone was to see who was online to play, something that made all my Iphone friends jealous.
Would love to hear feedback!
http://microsoft-news.com/microsoft-releases-xbox-live-app-for-ios-users/
Yes i feel the same way, I think Microsoft lost points on this one but i guess it was bound to happen. +1 for iOS
So what are the remaining reasons to buy a WP7? Office, and thats rumoured to be coming to ios. So then with a deficit in apps, mindshare, marketshare, what would be the reason to buy a WP7 device?
What a stupid, stupid, move and when WP7 dies, no one at MS should cry. (Probably all still be on their iphones, anyway).
The integration between Windows Phone and Xbox Live isn't good enough be that much of a selling point at the moment. The parts that are, games that add achievements and what not, aren't available on iOS.
You guys are complaining about something that offers the functionality that the xbox live website offers, who cares? You that mad that somebody can edit an Avatar? Read their Xbox Live Messages?
Let's complain when iOS gamers are playing games with people on Xbox Live.
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Let's complain when iOS gamers are playing games with people on Xbox Live.
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Microsoft being a software company I wouldn't be surprised to see them do that. That's where the customers are.
I think it's damaging to Windows Phone perception wise, iOS has already the best games and now they have an Xbox Live app. Even if the games are not Live enabled, that's not good for perception.
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Microsoft being a software company I wouldn't be surprised to see them do that. That's where the customers are.
I think it's damaging to Windows Phone perception wise, iOS has already the best games and now they have an Xbox Live app. Even if the games are not Live enabled, that's not good for perception.
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Google has apps on iOS, doesn't seem to have hurt them too much.
Hell, I wouldn't mind Zune support on iOS too, haha.
Yeah Microsoft has been stupid with Zune, if they had made it multiplatform from the go they would own the streaming space now. Not sure Spotify would exist today. Typically Microsoft really.
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http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/7/2...ve-app-for-ios-puts-a-little-windows-phone-on
The Verge has an interesting interpretation of this app... expose iPhone users to metro UI.
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http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/7/2...ve-app-for-ios-puts-a-little-windows-phone-on
The Verge has an interesting interpretation of this app... expose iPhone users to metro UI.
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No it wont, just gives them one more reason to stick with their platform. Xbox Live may not have been a reason to switch to WP7, but being on ios definitely makes it easier for those users to stay on their platform.
Plus Xbox Live users are already exposed to metro through their console so that argument doesn't hold up.
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Wp7 games already suck this gives iOS 1up on us while their fames are nice along with their ability to see their Xbox live account. Who cares if they can't achieve points on such games
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They get their points in Game Center. This is just icing on the cake for them. I said the same thing about them releasing Windows Live Messenger and OneNote mobile on iOS.
I'm due for a new phone soon. This will be interesting.
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I'm due a new phone since August. Been waiting for a decent Mango phone which never came. Chances are I'll keep my Omnia 7 on the side, upgrade to a Galaxy Nexus and buy an iPad. I'll give it until CES then decide but it seems to me Microsoft is treating iOS better than WP at the moment.
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Thread is silly. This has been possible with apps on IOS and Android for years. Microsoft just made a official version for IOS.
boohoo they're trying to get more users. You have to understand MS is a Software company first.
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Thread is silly. This has been possible with apps on IOS and Android for years. Microsoft just made a official version for IOS.
boohoo they're trying to get more users. You have to understand MS is a Software company first.
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And what would have happened if Blackberry made an official BBM app for Apple years ago? Or if Apple had released Siri for Android too? The only difference is WP7 is too new to lose exclusive features, minor or major. 3rd party apps don't count.
uh, this has never been a exclusive feature. As stated apps have been available for years, get over it. Office, Zune are exclusive.
Software company wants more people to use it's software. Wow, who would've known.
Who didn't see this coming. Ignorance is bliss, I see.
Microsoft released WLM for iOS and made WP7 users wait a year for it while demanding developers like IM+ rip out the WLM functionality months before many users even got Mango.
They also released OneNote, which is literally the only part of Office Mobile that is better than iWorks and third party Android Office Alternatives like DTG, ThinkFree, and QuickOffice.
Then the Bing app with Vision and all that other stuff, and even updates it for other platforms when we have to wait for complete firmware updates to go from MS to OEM to Carrier to us for an update on that stuff.
Still waiting on PhotoSynth for WP7... It's on iOS, though...
Really... Why the suprised looks?
Microsoft is internally fragmented. The different devisions don't work together as well as those in Google and Apple. Google would never release a Maps app on par with the Android version for another platform, but Microsoft has no issues releasing OneNote Mobile, WLM, PhotoSynth, and ridiculously good Bing apps for other platforms. They have pretty much always done this.
The Windows Phone Team does not control what the XBox, Windows Live, and Office Teams do; and the management at Microsoft does not force them to give priority support to their own platforms, either, from the looks of it (looking back years even to Windows Mobile days).
www.xbox.com does the same thing, who cares.
And you can control your xbox with the controller. Who cares about that app?
Right?
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Google releases great apps for non-Android devices and they're praised for supporting other companies and are making an attempt to take over the world through superior support and innovation.
Microsoft does it and they're the worst company in the world abandoning their operating system and are heavily fragmented.
Our app still does much more than the iOS app. Would a thread in this tone be created in the Android section if Google released a full-featured Google+ app for Windows Phone? Probably not.
Just skimming the news. Anyone know (links please) otherwise than these claims ?
http://www.knowyourcell.com/news/1219326/windows_8_to_be_the_windows_phone_7_apollo_update.html
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Jan 25, 2012
"Renowned blogger and editor of Russian website Mobile-Review has let slip that the Windows 8 update we're looking forward to may actually be codenamed Windows Phone Apollo.
Eldar posted a tweet saying, 'Do u know that windows phone 8 os is special? May be we even dont see word phone here but that's apollo and oct2012'
This was quickly followed by a post stating Windows Phone 7 apps won't be compatible with Windows 8:
'WP8 os isn't compatible with wp7 on app level (u need to rewrite all apps). Thats another os core with metro ui...'
Just what is Mutazin suggesting here?
Will we see a separate mobile OS called Windows Phone 8, or will that be Windows Phone 7 - but a newer version?
Also, Nvidia's CEO mentioned last year that Windows Phone 7 apps would work natively on Windows 8.
Although Eldar Murtazin is very often correct with his predictions, he sometimes is way off the mark. We sincerely hope he's wrong about Windows Phone 7 apps not working on Windows 8.
After all, there are very few spectacular ones our there - surely Microsoft wouldn't want to start again?"
If it's better than windows Phone 7 then that would be great, but if it's crapy then no. I can already see disaster with people having to re-write and re-buy apps. I don't know about MS now days, some one over there must be hitting the crack pipe pretty hard.
Eldar is a moron. It has been outright stated by two much more competent sources that wp7 apps would work on windows 8.
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Eldar is a moron. It has been outright stated by two much more competent sources that wp7 apps would work on windows 8.
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Ok, cool, but did you forget the links ?
Nope, no need to dig from a mobile device. Both Nvidia and a Microsoft rep said that it'd be done. NVIDIA stated it outright, and Microsoft said that you'd be able to exit a game on your phone and pick up where you left off on your windows 8 enabled PC. I am interested in seeing how games with accelerometer controls transition or if that will require further support from the dev. Only time will tell.
Eldar was speaking ill of Mango 4 months before the beta was leaked, he's an analyst, if he's right, he predicted the future. If he's wrong, well he's not a fortune teller, his industry is a joke.
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Ok, cool, but did you forget the links ?
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Nope, no need to dig from a mobile device. Both Nvidia and a Microsoft rep said that it'd be done. NVIDIA stated it outright, and Microsoft said that you'd be able to exit a game on your phone and pick up where you left off on your windows 8 enabled PC. I am interested in seeing how games with accelerometer controls transition or if that will require further support from the dev. Only time will tell.
Eldar was speaking ill of Mango 4 months before the beta was leaked, he's an analyst, if he's right, he predicted the future. If he's wrong, well he's not a fortune teller, his industry is a joke.
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Right here is the NVIDIA link --http://www.winrumors.com/nvidia-ceo-claims-windows-phone-7-apps-will-run-on-windows-8/
(date is obviously old. This new rumour in the OP's post is recent. So can't say if this link still holds the same value)
Morons will be morons.
Think about it this way wp7 marketplace is barely catching up to likes of android and ios. Why do you think any developers would bother redoing the apps for wp8. Paid apps maybe but not free apps so MS would be starting almost from scratch
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Nope, no need to dig from a mobile device. Both Nvidia and a Microsoft rep said that it'd be done. NVIDIA stated it outright, and Microsoft said that you'd be able to exit a game on your phone and pick up where you left off on your windows 8 enabled PC. I am interested in seeing how games with accelerometer controls transition or if that will require further support from the dev. Only time will tell.
Eldar was speaking ill of Mango 4 months before the beta was leaked, he's an analyst, if he's right, he predicted the future. If he's wrong, well he's not a fortune teller, his industry is a joke.
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Thats a big ass dream. Entirely plausible, but very unlikely to come from Microsoft.
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Am I misreading or is everyone else.
NVidia and Microsoft said Windows Phone 7 apps will be natively compatible with Windows 8 the PC OS.
What Eldar is suggesting is "WP8 os isn't compatible with wp7 on app level". Honestly, that would be the most ridiculous move MS could make in the whole WP existence.
That would be so stupid that I refuse to believe it. Unless WP8 had to run WP7 in some kind of sideloaded enviroment and even then why would MS scrap and start over again?
nicksti said:
Am I misreading or is everyone else.
NVidia and Microsoft said Windows Phone 7 apps will be natively compatible with Windows 8 the PC OS.
What Eldar is suggesting is "WP8 os isn't compatible with wp7 on app level". Honestly, that would be the most ridiculous move MS could make in the whole WP existence.
That would be so stupid that I refuse to believe it. Unless WP8 had to run WP7 in some kind of sideloaded enviroment and even then why would MS scrap and start over again?
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Windows Phone 7 development uses XAML from Silver Light. Microsoft is dumping Silver Light. Perhaps Eldar misunderstood and thought they were getting rid of XAML and the development tools of Visual Studio 2010 for Windows Phone 8.
http://everythingexpress.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/news-microsoft-kills-silverlight/
Also, it is possible that the apps will all need to be retargeted and recompiled to take advantage of any OS benefits of Windows Phone 8. This was true of Mango to get the fast resume. All a dev needed to do is upgrade the SDK. Change the target platform in the project. Then rebuild. Done.
nicksti said:
Am I misreading or is everyone else.
NVidia and Microsoft said Windows Phone 7 apps will be natively compatible with Windows 8 the PC OS.
What Eldar is suggesting is "WP8 os isn't compatible with wp7 on app level". Honestly, that would be the most ridiculous move MS could make in the whole WP existence.
That would be so stupid that I refuse to believe it. Unless WP8 had to run WP7 in some kind of sideloaded enviroment and even then why would MS scrap and start over again?
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Hmm....Windows Mobile? Besides its not like they would be losing much by starting over again.
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vetvito said:
Hmm....Windows Mobile? Besides its not like they would be losing much by starting over again.
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They'd lose support from the developers of the existing 60k apps for sure. Not allowing WP7 apps to run on WP8 would be suicide. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the development environment change to something closer to Windows 8. I just think we'll see compatibility for WP7 apps as well.
PG2G said:
They'd lose support from the developers of the existing 60k apps for sure. Not allowing WP7 apps to run on WP8 would be suicide. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the development environment change to something closer to Windows 8. I just think we'll see compatibility for WP7 apps as well.
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I like the idea jvt put forward up there better.... recompile and carry on. It would on the other hand be a very effective weeding out process to trim down from 50000 redundant /replicative apps to ones that are solid and usable.
Silverlight is .net and the .net libs are platform independent. That means that 90% of your code is reusable either way. The goal is that you can take a shared library that contains your program logic and copy it from your windows pc to your phone without having to recompile or anything. The only thing that then needs rewriting is the user interface lib which must then take advantage of the underlying shared API. Infact it could even be that this is already the case. Either way anything in the future would only require little effort to sort out and if any w8 windows phone convergence happens that does cause incompatability, the mass amount of windows 8 support would be enough to make it neglible.
fed44 said:
Silverlight is .net and the .net libs are platform independent. That means that 90% of your code is reusable either way. The goal is that you can take a shared library that contains your program logic and copy it from your windows pc to your phone without having to recompile or anything. The only thing that then needs rewriting is the user interface lib which must then take advantage of the underlying shared API. Infact it could even be that this is already the case. Either way anything in the future would only require little effort to sort out and if any w8 windows phone convergence happens that does cause incompatability, the mass amount of windows 8 support would be enough to make it neglible.
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Not entirely true. .NET libs are not entirely platform independant. Ever write an app for you phone in C# and try to run it on your PC. Or write it for you PC and run it on your Phone. It doesn't work.
Phones use a compact dot net framework. Windows Phone 8, might supply an updated compact version. This may be incompatible with the previous version, just as the version on Windows Phone 7 is not compatible with the 3.5 version on Windows Mobile 6.5.
In fact, Windows 8 For Tablets is supposed to be getting WinRT.
Here is a negative slanting article, but seems pretty accurate with some exceptions.
http://www.i-programmer.info/profes...3323-windows-phone-7-sunk-by-silverlight.html
I suspect the tablets will also support a dot net compact framework for some time to come.
I've heard from multiple reliable sources at work and through different training companies that Silverlight is done. Development with it is just for phones (for now).
I am hoping they provide some XAML migration, so apps can be easily converted.
Actually, when reading the comments following the video here: http://www.neowin.net/news/former-microsoft-pm-silverlight-is-dead
XAML is coming to C++. With WinRT, C++ and native programming will be in Windows 8 on tablets.
XAML is the mark up language ued by Silverlight. Silverlight uses C#. But, since the programmer uses XAML to define the UI and Silverlight is used to glue it to the C# backend, something else could easily tie the XAML to the backend, so a minimal amount of work would be needed to to rebuild the apps affter Silver Light goes off into the sunset.
What MS meant was Windows 8, not Windows Phone 8. WP8 is, of course, an upgrade of WP7.
They said this because initially they said that crossing apps between windows 8 and phone 8 was possible.
For the folks that though Microsoft might break compatibility for existing apps, a tweet from Brandon Watson
@eldarmurtazin Rewatch Mix11 keynote. We were pretty clear on this. Any app built today will run on next major Windows Phone version.
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Here is the link to the same http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2012...paign=Feed:+Mobiletechworld+(MobileTechWorld)
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Sigh... Sometimes I just wish Eldar would let his age old hate against MS aside and try digging up some useful information...
He's been such a douché since MS wouldn't let him run the official MS Russia site...
is apollo confirmed as wp7 1gen upgrade ? Or it will be designed for high ends ?