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So most of us have received mango and after months of waiting, we are now enjoying it. People are already whispering about Windows Phone Apollo (next big update for windows phone). I already can't wait...but what about getting this current version out in the market by every means necessary. Its not like Microsoft doesn't have the money to let people know about this phone. Heck, its Microsoft. I have seen a few glimpses of windows phone here and there, even on some TV prime time shows, but that's not enough when you're trying to compete with Android and iPhone.
I don't know if Microsoft actually understand this is the problem and if they are really hitting hard on the marketing or they feel word of mouth will be enough. I am enjoying my mango phone and can't wait for apollo, but we need advertising more than ever before.
I think it will be done by Nokia
jerome snail said:
I think it will be done by Nokia
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They'll do a great job in Europe and where Nokia has a good base but I think if they don't produce some 'wow' devices their reintroduction to the U.S. may be a lot like the 'new' Volkswagen Beetle.
http://m.gizmodo.com/5902860/every-windows-phone-ever-will-get-the-windows-phone-8-upgrade
Good news...
Hopefully because I just bought a Lumia 800 to change my trophy.
I want to believe this but, till a solid direct from Microsoft says it, not at developer evangelist for Microsoft, I will believe it.
If you look at all the facts, there has not been a single word about this directly from Microsoft in the last few months. There is a lot of factors why older devices might not get WP8, new hardware, new standards on displays, etc.
So, as it gets closer to an acutal release and Microsoft says something clearly stating that all first and 2nd gen devices will get Windows Phone 8, I will believe it.
Personly, I expect it. WHy ? The biggest problem with Android is fragmentation. One *new* device comes with 2.3 others come with 4.0 and most people who are not part of XDA (and not afraid to "root" their phone) wont see or even attempt to upgrade. As a buyer goes, I want the newest sofware on my device when I buy it and it's a much better value if I can have the current version a year down the line. This is what Microsoft needs to do to keep growing WP7 device sales.
Time will tell but, again till Microsoft says it, it's just another rumor....
I agree wholeheartedly.
I'd even be happy if older devices got a "subset" of WP8, to be honest. However, with that said, I'm still using my first gen Samsung Focus, it's gotten nothing but faster and more feature complete with each update, and it's been my intention all along to grab a WP8 native devices when they come out, so I'll be OK either way.
One thing I'm glad for: even if WP7 first generation devices don't wind up with an upgrade, Microsoft has been very conscientious about making each update trimmer and faster than the one before, so people "stuck" with WP7 aren't going to be screwed over by a crappy software update that cripples their device, a la Apple with the iOS4/iPhone 3G debacle. And honestly, if the first gen WP8 devices aren't up to what I expect, well, then I'm happy to keep using my first generation device until they do get their. I'm hoping to hell that all the secrecy surrounding WP8 means that it'll be a mind blowing spec, with a full-bore implementation of TellMe, integrated Kinect camera and mic array, etc. Time will tell!
DavidinCT said:
I want to believe this but, till a solid direct from Microsoft says it, not at developer evangelist for Microsoft, I will believe it.
If you look at all the facts, there has not been a single word about this directly from Microsoft in the last few months. There is a lot of factors why older devices might not get WP8, new hardware, new standards on displays, etc.
So, as it gets closer to an acutal release and Microsoft says something clearly stating that all first and 2nd gen devices will get Windows Phone 8, I will believe it.
Personly, I expect it. WHy ? The biggest problem with Android is fragmentation. One *new* device comes with 2.3 others come with 4.0 and most people who are not part of XDA (and not afraid to "root" their phone) wont see or even attempt to upgrade. As a buyer goes, I want the newest sofware on my device when I buy it and it's a much better value if I can have the current version a year down the line. This is what Microsoft needs to do to keep growing WP7 device sales.
Time will tell but, again till Microsoft says it, it's just another rumor....
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Interesting tweets from Paul Thurrott.
andrewje_home: @thurrott what's your take on the wp7 -> wp8 upgrade rumours? Would be silly of MS to cut off existing users. There lack of comment is poor.
thurrott: @andrewje_home There is no way they will broadly support upgrades. I'd be surprised if a single phone was upgradeable.
https://twitter.com/#!/thurrott/status/192632302591942656
Kee: @thurrott buying 900 and no update after 6 months. That sucks
thurrott: @eskeemo What makes you think there will be "no update"?
https://twitter.com/#!/thurrott/status/192633133559066625
I have seen a post that old phones will get an update but it won't be Windows 8. Wonder if Paul is also implying this.
eldarmurtazin: @verge they have Apollo style update in pipeline for wp7 (ui, some apps, tweaks). But it isn't Apollo. People will like it I think
https://twitter.com/#!/eldarmurtazin/status/192500720371638272
Yes, I know the source isn't always the most reliable
magicsquid said:
Interesting tweets from Paul Thurrott.
andrewje_home: @thurrott what's your take on the wp7 -> wp8 upgrade rumours? Would be silly of MS to cut off existing users. There lack of comment is poor.
thurrott: @andrewje_home There is no way they will broadly support upgrades. I'd be surprised if a single phone was upgradeable.
https://twitter.com/#!/thurrott/status/192632302591942656
Kee: @thurrott buying 900 and no update after 6 months. That sucks
thurrott: @eskeemo What makes you think there will be "no update"?
https://twitter.com/#!/thurrott/status/192633133559066625
I have seen a post that old phones will get an update but it won't be Windows 8. Wonder if Paul is also implying this.
eldarmurtazin: @verge they have Apollo style update in pipeline for wp7 (ui, some apps, tweaks). But it isn't Apollo. People will like it I think
https://twitter.com/#!/eldarmurtazin/status/192500720371638272
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And this is the thing. People are thinking because they don't get the "Apollo" OS that they won't get feature & tweak updates ect. They will.
http://m.gizmodo.com/5903416/current-windows-phones-may-not-be-getting-upgraded-after-all
So. No. I'll have to change my thread title. Ah. Rumors.
dtboos said:
And this is the thing. People are thinking because they don't get the "Apollo" OS that they won't get feature & tweak updates ect. They will.
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Yeah there are already two versions of Tango in the pipeline, the one going on the 256MB devices and the one that's a refresh for Mango. So why not two Apollo's.
Funny too see how the company that was blaming Android and its fragmentations is doing exactly the same thing. Hahahahahah.
That's a shame. And Apple deserves a prize. The only one who can do that.
mikeeam said:
Funny too see how the company that was blaming Android and its fragmentations is doing exactly the same thing. Hahahahahah.
That's a shame. And Apple deserves a prize. The only one who can do that.
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Apple design his own hardware.
mikeeam said:
Funny too see how the company that was blaming Android and its fragmentations is doing exactly the same thing. Hahahahahah.
That's a shame. And Apple deserves a prize. The only one who can do that.
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And you surely don't understand the differences between the two fragmentations here.
Android ones - you need to buy a new phone if you want new OS features.
MS ones - you will get mostly the updated OS, but not the features that need new hardware - common sense!
But Apple deserves a prize for making only 5 phones since it's birth, yes.
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And you surely don't understand the differences between the two fragmentations here.
Android ones - you need to buy a new phone if you want new OS features.
MS ones - you will get mostly the updated OS, but not the features that need new hardware - common sense!
But Apple deserves a prize for making only 5 phones since it's birth, yes.
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& in his definition of fragmentation, Apple is too. There will always be fragmentation when you add new features/enhance/mature an OS. The problem with fragmentation that MS was talking about is that what you can do on an Android is wholly dependent on the device you have. My ex-roommates have non top of the line Androids & they are total garbage. You have no flash support, no hotspot support, it lags to all hell (ui takes seconds to respond to touch input)/etc. All WP7's look the same & perform almost the same. This is the kind of fragmentation MS was talking about. How a Top tier Android could have all these cool features & be fast & smooth while low end devices are garbage.
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And you surely don't understand the differences between the two fragmentations here.
Android ones - you need to buy a new phone if you want new OS features.
MS ones - you will get mostly the updated OS, but not the features that need new hardware - common sense!
But Apple deserves a prize for making only 5 phones since it's birth, yes.
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Is that like telling lumia 800 users they should've bought lumia 900 if they wanted internet sharing capabilities?
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lqaddict said:
Is that like telling lumia 800 users they should've bought lumia 900 if they wanted internet sharing capabilities?
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No.
Because internet sharing is present even on Lumia 800 and doesn't need any extra hardwares. You missed the exact point I was making.
However, if Lumia 800 users wanted a 4.3 inches screen with LTE support and FFC, then they should have waited for Lumia 900. Similarly if anyone wants a dual-core processor and high screen res to show off, they shouldn't buy Lumia 900 because MSFT Apollo won't obviously add those hardware features to any phone! Hence anything that depends on dual-core processor (it won't be the OS!) will not work on Lumia 900.
If you need a gyroscope for an app or a feature which Windows Phone 8 will have in it's "required hardware specs" - you cannot expect that feature to show up on old phones. They don't have the hardware to support the OS/software.
However, if WP UI overhaul takes place or added features like folders, shortcuts, IE improvement, Office or any other added integration like Skype kicks in, I don't see why current hardware won't be able to support it! It will. It can. 1Ghz is more than enough as it is. These added features don't need extra processor. May be extra memory? So then Nokia Lumia 610 might seem a little slow if that.
drupad2drupad said:
And you surely don't understand the differences between the two fragmentations here.
Android ones - you need to buy a new phone if you want new OS features.
MS ones - you will get mostly the updated OS, but not the features that need new hardware - common sense!
But Apple deserves a prize for making only 5 phones since it's birth, yes.
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Indeed, 5 phones, but second generation got 3 years of support. That's remarkable, lets admit. I dont like iPhone, but I envy how Apple just go, release their updates without carriers crying around, at the same time to everyone. Lets give them some credit here.
And fragmentation is fragmentation. I never doubt my 3 months old iPhone wouldnt be updated. My Lumia, otherwise.. This silence of MS is making me anxious.
Just think, why MS would keep in secret something like "the second generation will be updated"?! Makes no sense. It's not marketing strategy, it's worse for them with all those rumors.
And everytime someone ask one of the team, they avoid the direct answer.
I had a HTC Trophy, and 3 months ago bought a Lumia 800. I regret that for now.
drupad2drupad said:
No.
Because internet sharing is present even on Lumia 800 and doesn't need any extra hardwares. You missed the exact point I was making.
However, if Lumia 800 users wanted a 4.3 inches screen with LTE support and FFC, then they should have waited for Lumia 900. Similarly if anyone wants a dual-core processor and high screen res to show off, they shouldn't buy Lumia 900 because MSFT Apollo won't obviously add those hardware features to any phone! Hence anything that depends on dual-core processor (it won't be the OS!) will not work on Lumia 900.
If you need a gyroscope for an app or a feature which Windows Phone 8 will have in it's "required hardware specs" - you cannot expect that feature to show up on old phones. They don't have the hardware to support the OS/software.
However, if WP UI overhaul takes place or added features like folders, shortcuts, IE improvement, Office or any other added integration like Skype kicks in, I don't see why current hardware won't be able to support it! It will. It can. 1Ghz is more than enough as it is. These added features don't need extra processor. May be extra memory? So then Nokia Lumia 610 might seem a little slow if that.
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Sorry that a link to a picture of something resembling a phone screen with Chinese characters and a bunch of speculation in English text underneath.
People throw fragmentation all over the Android world, yet turn blind eye to things like Bing non-support in markets where MSFT launched their product, etc.
Simply put, there are too many excuses surrounding this platform, and MSFT seem to play that card pretty well with 90% satisfaction rate as the one of few statistics thrown around.
http://andrewtechhelp.com/andrews-t...feature-availability-matrix-the-mango-edition
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bmstrong said:
http://m.gizmodo.com/5902860/every-windows-phone-ever-will-get-the-windows-phone-8-upgrade
Good news...
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We heard this about the HTC HD2 and moving to Windows 7.
Safety Notice:
DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH
But still, even if 8 isn't officially released, you can put money on a port. Gotta love XDA.
EDITED: NOT HAPPENING.
If my Lumia doesn't get the new kernel and UI and MSFT pulls a Galaxy S feature pack they can kiss my behind goodbye
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narta said:
If my Lumia doesn't get the new kernel and UI and MSFT pulls a Galaxy S feature pack they can kiss my behind goodbye
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Goodbye!
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/wininfo-short-takes-april-20-2012-142888
Honestly, I find myself not caring at all. I didn't want to stay on my old WP7 handset, I didn't want to switch to Android or iPhone. Instead I'm going to enjoy this fantastic Lumia 900 until I feel it's time to move to Apollo at the end of the year or early next year. I can take it back still, but I don't want to. I know people still on Gingerbread that are perfectly happy, I myself declined the honeycomb update on my tablet. Stop freaking out about specs and updates and versions in the future and just enjoy your phone.
But yes this is still not official, still plenty of time to change their stance.
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Goodbye!
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/wininfo-short-takes-april-20-2012-142888
Honestly, I find myself not caring at all. I didn't want to stay on my old WP7 handset, I didn't want to switch to Android or iPhone. Instead I'm going to enjoy this fantastic Lumia 900 until I feel it's time to move to Apollo at the end of the year or early next year. I can take it back still, but I don't want to. I know people still on Gingerbread that are perfectly happy, I myself declined the honeycomb update on my tablet. Stop freaking out about specs and updates and versions in the future and just enjoy your phone.
But yes this is still not official, still plenty of time to change their stance.
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I think it's wrong that MSFT is allowing such harmful speculation as to the support of previous generation devices. Their silence is allowing people to get in a tizzy over what could be absolutely nothing. I met someone last month at a dinner party who works at MSFT and said that Apollo runs beautifully on the Lumia 900.
I find flaw with the article you linked when it said...
"Second, the experience would be terrible; Windows Phone 8 is based on Windows 8, not Windows Phone 7.x, and requires headier, higher-end hardware with two or more core processors."
This is in direct opposition to the entire purpose of the Tango release to allow for lower-end hardware. Why would MSFT make an effort to allow for more affordable devices if the WP8 platform won't work on them in the future? This means that lower-end devices will never exist on WP8 until dual core becomes cheap.
Rather, what I think this article gets wrong is that WP8 does not require dual core, but allows for it to exist in the first place.
WP7 has a high floor and a low ceiling. Tango lowered the floor and Apollo will be raising the ceiling. Whether we'll get the update is up in the air, but I'm personally anticipating it to happen.
MSFT does need to stop being so secretive though. It's hard to build and keep a fanbase under the current business model.
Yeap, MS sucks!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/microsoft-unveils-windows-phone-7-8-for-legacy-devices/
eortizr said:
Yeap, MS sucks!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/microsoft-unveils-windows-phone-7-8-for-legacy-devices/
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Cool, so you selling your device so you can buy an Android ...which obviously doesn't suck.....al;kdjghy8t g[pozhunbx......sorry, I threw up saying that.
Bottom line here...they've always said this....It needs to work...if it doesn't , they won't do it. I can live with that...obviously your standards are higher than mine...
Part I like best.... The update will be delivered directly to users, sidestepping carriers, and can be done over WiFi.
its not so much the lack of ability to take advantage of multicore and NFC. but due to the new kernel its the lack of new apps
What is sucks about this is the fragmentation, now you'll see a bunch of apps only supported if you are running WP8. which you wont be able to do on your 2 months old Lumia.
Hopefully this is true.
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/20/w...siasts-btw-this-is-a-wp8-lumia-already-right/
xsever said:
Hopefully this is true.
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/20/w...siasts-btw-this-is-a-wp8-lumia-already-right/
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I think this means 7.8. I do not believe they mean 8.0.
xsever said:
Hopefully this is true.
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/20/w...siasts-btw-this-is-a-wp8-lumia-already-right/
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still only available for WP8 devices.
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=10653
why so angry.... they are not forgetting 2. gen devices they are just not getting all.
im ok happy about it.. i will keep my Lumia 900 and Lumia 800 and if i can't live with out WP 8 I will just by one when released..
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What is sucks about this is the fragmentation, now you'll see a bunch of apps only supported if you are running WP8. which you wont be able to do on your 2 months old Lumia.
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In basic principle, I can agree. But not in overall. An available app will or won't be able to load on your phone. Its not like it will download and not run right. Like you see in the Android market.
At some point its got to be ok to say, it makes no sense to upgrade a device. If you were to upgrade to 8, but most of the new features didn't work, you would comment about how it didn't work.
Can't have it both ways...well, maybe you can....but still...Microsoft is only doing what it said it would do.
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dk_iceman said:
why so angry.... they are not forgetting 2. gen devices they are just not getting all.
im ok happy about it.. i will keep my Lumia 900 and Lumia 800 and if i can't live with out WP 8 I will just by one when released..
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<---Nodding head...uh huh....yep....exactly !!
Sounds like HD2 drama all over again. Expect XDA to rescue.
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xsever said:
Hopefully this is true.
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/20/w...siasts-btw-this-is-a-wp8-lumia-already-right/
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The guy mis-read/mis-understood entirely.
What MS said is that WP8 users, not WP7 users, can register to be Microsoft's test mules for updates that are going to be released soon.
The biggest worry is that WP8 will allow native code for apps, and that many apps will thus not work on "older" phones.
The Lumia 900 is only a few months old and the 800 and 710 and 610 are not much older (all are less than 9 months on the market), but they will not be getting Windows Phone 8 update just like all first generation Windows Phones. Nokia must have known for some time as well that current Lumia buyers would not get WP8 update, this seems unfair especially for Lumia 900 buyers.
I wonder if Nokia plans to do something to make this more fair for current Lumia users?
bobzero said:
I wonder if Nokia plans to do something to make this more fair for current Lumia users?
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How hard would it be to offer the "with-contract" price on the new WP8 devices to current Mango owners, even if they're not eligible for an upgrade? That would satisfy me plenty.
Apps written in native code won't happen immediately. If you're an app developer, why write an app for a market with no installed base when you can write one to cover both the installed base and the developing one?
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The biggest worry is that WP8 will allow native code for apps, and that many apps will thus not work on "older" phones.
The Lumia 900 is only a few months old and the 800 and 710 and 610 are not much older (all are less than 9 months on the market), but they will not be getting Windows Phone 8 update just like all first generation Windows Phones. Nokia must have known for some time as well that current Lumia buyers would not get WP8 update, this seems unfair especially for Lumia 900 buyers.
I wonder if Nokia plans to do something to make this more fair for current Lumia users?
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I agree, I bought my 900 and I love the phone I really do but I somehow feel cheated that Nokia let this phone out knowing there would be no update. And yes I am sure they knew, when releasing this phone that there would be no WP8.
How WP 7.8 will make me happy? I like the new start screen but I also want a file explorer and the ability to add custom tones and ringers at will. Yes I know some of you look at adding custom ringers and tones is silly but hey I like it ...and no I DON'T want an android.
I think AT$T should allow lumia 900 and htc titan owners to upgrade to a new wp8 at the 2 year contract price. I don't want to be stuck with old outdated apps
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/20/f...k-with-wp8-but-wp8-apps-will-not-work-on-wp7/
Drewskie said:
the ability to add custom tones and ringers at will. Yes I know some of you look at adding custom ringers and tones is silly but hey I like it ...and no I DON'T want an android.
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You can do this now. What am I missing?
You just sync MP3's to your phone, after changing the genere to "ringtone", I believe... there's a bunch of tutorials out ther on the subject.
ballanda123 said:
You can do this now. What am I missing?
You just sync MP3's to your phone, after changing the genere to "ringtone", I believe... there's a bunch of tutorials out ther on the subject.
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lol I know that I was more referring to custom tones for email and messaging. As for custom ringers I think and on board app for making them would be cool. But I already knew bout the methods to make them just to be clear.
Was I a beta tester?
Lol
I think the commercial was aiming at themselves.
redwhiteandblue said:
Apps written in native code won't happen immediately. If you're an app developer, why write an app for a market with no installed base when you can write one to cover both the installed base and the developing one?
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It is other way around. A lot of good apps/games are not ported over to WP7 because of the lack of native code support. Once WP8 is out, you will see a lot of those apps/games flood the martket.
Besides, you can create apps for Windows 8 and WP8 at the same time with very minimum modifications.
F**king ludicrous. All the features I have been waiting for I expected to see in Apollo. VPN, true multitasking, native code execution and the excuse is we can't support newer hardware and older on the same platform?
What total load of bullsh!t. I have been supporting MS OS's for a LONG time now and have windows 7 running on 9 year old computers and XP running on new hardware. I guess the last 20 years of them writing OS's that can do that isn't proof it is possible?! Thanks for thinking were all too stupid to notice.
Of the lumia 900 owners, how many of you feel cheated and angry over how Microsoft is handling WP8.
1. Yes
2. No
A little cheated. Glad MS tried with 7.8 but I'm just worried about how that will fare down the line with 22 months left on my contract. Don't think I'll be waiting to find out.
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A little cheated. Glad MS tried with 7.8 but I'm just worried about how that will fare down the line with 22 months left on my contract. Don't think I'll be waiting to find out.
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I believe it's a very good point for the class action against MS and AT&T. Just keep googling for that and be ready to join
Won my lumia 900, and I planed to get an updated wp8 device anyway, so, to answer your question, no I don't feel cheated. I might be angry at myself anyway for buying one knowing dual core was coming in a few months (if I had signed a contract)
Considering all the features coming for WP8 and 7.8 haven't been announced yet, I don't feel cheated at all. I imagine more is coming in 7.8 than they stated today. Joe Belfiore was very specific that they have MANY great things to talk about with consumer features, but that wasn't the point of the conference today.
I'll feel pretty cheated if the only features WP7.8 gets is the new start screen...
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A little cheated. Glad MS tried with 7.8 but I'm just worried about how that will fare down the line with 22 months left on my contract. Don't think I'll be waiting to find out.
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Im going to sell.
The technoweenie in me wants to buy a WP8 when it comes out, but the realistic human in me feels cheated...
I just bought the Lumia 900, and to hear that a new version of the OS is coming out soon and that the product I just bought will be un-supported and development ceased (for the most part) pisses me off...
I'm pissed off enough that I'm still waiting for a purple screen fix, and now this?
If I were a Lumia owner I'd definitely feel cheated.
Looks like the Lumia 900 is going to be the Galaxy S+ of the Windows world.
Thrown to the market and 2 months afterwards you got outdated software because the manufacturer never planned to provide updates.
Not receiving updates seems to get normal in the mobile industry in some way.
This would be the point to switch to Android for me, but I'm not a big WP7 fan I have to admit.
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land.apfel said:
If I were a Lumia owner I'd definitely feel cheated.
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Why? We don't even know the Windows Phone 7.8 features?
land.apfel said:
Thrown to the market and 2 months afterwards you got outdated software because the manufacturer never planned to provide updates.
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We've received two manufacturer updates already. And there have been at least two announced future updates... Tango and Windows Phone 7.8.
dtboos said:
Considering all the features coming for WP8 and 7.8 haven't been announced yet, I don't feel cheated at all.
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This is an interesting concept. So you think we should actually wait and see what updated features we will be getting before criticizing them? Great idea!
gbjohnson said:
Of the lumia 900 owners, how many of you feel cheated and angry over how Microsoft is handling WP8.
1. Yes
2. No
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Once all Windows Phone 8 and 7.8 are out why don't you ask this question and add a poll to your thread? Make it a good poll with at least one option that says I'm satisfied.
There is still a chance that Nokia will provide WP8 on the Lumia 800/900 isn't there? I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet.
Before anyone starts ranting about the announcement, Nokia is not Microsoft. Stop, think. Avoid replying anyway.
at45 said:
There is still a chance that Nokia will provide WP8 on the Lumia 800/900 isn't there? I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet.
Before anyone starts ranting about the announcement, Nokia is not Microsoft. Stop, think. Avoid replying anyway.
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I don't know about the Hardware requirements. I haven't watched the keynote, but I don't think they've given a NFC requirement for all phones. Interesting thought. I guess it could happen. I don't think it will, although it would be nice, of course. Then again, maybe WP7.8 will be better than thought. Who knows?
I don't understand what it is people think they will be missing. WP8 brings support for dual core, high def screens, and NFC hardware. Does your phone have any of that? No. So you wouldn't be able to enjoy those features anyway even if WP8 did run on your phone.
Ok so we may not get the true multi tasking and Skype running in the background - we don't actually know yet - but did you buy your phone only on the basis that you would definitely get that one day? Is your phone suddenly going to stop working the day WP8 comes out? Are app developers all suddenly going to abandon the installed base of users for a new OS that doesn't have one yet?
When I got my Lumia two weeks ago, I knew that there was Skype coming with "serious" integration and VoIP API for others. I also knew that Microsoft bought Skype so I was expecting it.
At least that the Lumia 800 was for free.
OndraSter said:
When I got my Lumia two weeks ago, I knew that there was Skype coming with "serious" integration and VoIP API for others. I also knew that Microsoft bought Skype so I was expecting it.
At least that the Lumia 800 was for free.
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Its always been said that skype couldnt work on WP7 due to the way the OS operates and while its not great im still happy they released some sort of app rather then not bother at all
sensboston said:
I believe it's a very good point for the class action against MS and AT&T. Just keep googling for that and be ready to join
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You can't be serious?!
Zero. Give thanks that you get 7.8. Try to image Android users still stuck on Froyo or Gingerbread. Or 3GS or iPhone 4 users moving to iOS6.
Get over it and move to the future. 8 looks to be a fantastic competitor to iOS and Android.
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Zero. Give thanks that you get 7.8. Try to image Android users still stuck on Froyo or Gingerbread. Or 3GS or iPhone 4 users moving to iOS6.
Get over it and move to the future. 8 looks to be a fantastic competitor to iOS and Android.
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This is different. The Lumia is a flagship that just came out. I'm amazed at how some of you are okay with this.
"Get over it and move to the future."?
Wtf man, what about all the people who got this on contract? You expect them to just "move to the future" and buy a new device off contract this early on?
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LOL... I think Nokia gonna do something to help out the customer who did bought the Lumia product recently... I got what you mean...
Da, it sucks to register for a device for 2 years and then stuck with it (that is why i never sign the damn contract). But i believe Windows Phone 7.8 is actually Windows Phone 8 BUT without all the functions that require the physical hardware to handle.
Time will tell. Personally, i don't feel any lost, i changed phone almost every holiday season of the year. 2010 = First Windows Phone (HD7), 2011 = Mango Windows Phone (Eternity) , 2012 = Windows Phone 8. I am curious about what HTC has to offer for us.
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I don't understand what it is people think they will be missing. WP8 brings support for dual core, high def screens, and NFC hardware. Does your phone have any of that? No. So you wouldn't be able to enjoy those features anyway even if WP8 did run on your phone.
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I think you may have just described Microsoft's reason for not updating existing phones i.e. not because they are too old or too slow but because they won't benefit enough from the new features to justify the investment.
"Microsoft’s Greg Sullivan revealed the reasons behind the company’s choice not to offer a direct upgrade from Windows Phone 7.x to Windows Phone 8.
Describing some of the latest hardware changes in Windows Phone 8, that we outline here, Sullivan explained that "the nature of the investment [in Windows Phone 8] is primarily in areas that are not exploitable by existing hardware." Windows Phone 8 introduces support for multi-core processors, amongst other things, so the "Lumia 900 getting support for using dual-core or NFC doesn't mean a lot," says Sullivan, "because it doesn't have the hardware to take advantage of that." Microsoft decided to focus its efforts on Windows Phone 8 to make it as good as it possibly could. "To do the work to bring all of those elements to a platform that can't exploit them wasn't necessarily the most efficient use of resource," explains Sullivan."
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Hey! Can I roll back my Windows 10 Mobile build 10586.11 to android app supported version? (Windows 10 Mobile build 10149 or above)
Thanks!
No
these members with only one post who asking non-stop about project Astoria should be banned automatically
buy android device if you want android apps.....
Buy a smartphone if you want apps. Windows Phone is still a dumb phone. My 8 year old Symbian has better apps.
w.bogdan said:
Buy a smartphone if you want apps. Windows Phone is still a dumb phone. My 8 year old Symbian has better apps.
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Comparing W10 Mobile with Symbian is just an insult.
MultiPDev said:
Comparing W10 Mobile with Symbian is just an insult.
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No, it's the truth. Can you record phone calls on your W10M smartphone? I can't, but the old Symbian phone still does.
Besides, Microsoft is busy building apps for Android rather than focusing on W10M. Today they launched an app just for Android:
Mimicker Alarm https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.mimickeralarm
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Can you record phone calls on your W10M smartphone? I can't, but the old Symbian phone still does.
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I can, very easily on L-950 But can you run "Tank Wars" or "Leo's Fortune" or "TeamViewer" or "Skype" or record 4K video or... on your outdated "grandmother-phone"?
I believe, you've chose wrong forum...
sensboston said:
I can, very easily on L-950 But can you run "Tank Wars" or "Leo's Fortune" or "TeamViewer" or "Skype" or record 4K video or... on your outdated "grandmother-phone"?
I believe, you've chose wrong forum...
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So I should buy the new L-950 insted of my outdated one year old windows phone?
Yeah, that's why I need a smartphone, for Angry birds and other dumb games...
Nokia 230 has Skype, Facebook and "you can download one free Gameloft game every month for a year. Titles include “Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood” and “Midnight Pool 3.”
https://blogs.windows.com/devices/2015/11/25/welcome-the-new-nokia-230-and-nokia-230-dual-sim/
You litle ****er...
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So I should buy the new L-950 insted of my outdated one year old windows phone?
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I believe all you need to do is grow up, finish school & college, start making more money, be able to buy modern flagship phone for yourself and stop posting BS on the adult forums
sensboston said:
I believe all you need to do is grow up, finish school & college, start making more money, be able to buy modern flagship phone for yourself and stop posting BS on the adult forums
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[emoji3] If you only knew who are you talking to.
@w.bogdan, I can have an opinion based on your comments only. And what I've read: an owner of the cheap, very old Symbian phone just trolling on the newest Windows 10 Mobile OS forum. So, that kind of behavior is typical for children or teenagers only.
sensboston said:
@w.bogdan, I can have an opinion based on your comments only. And what I've read: an owner of the cheap, very old Symbian phone just trolling on the newest Windows 10 Mobile OS forum. So, that kind of behavior is typical for children or teenagers only.
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Testing W10M since 15-02-2015.
There are no teenagers using Symbian phones, that was one of the reason Symbian failed. It didn't have games for them, like Flappy Bird or Lunar Lander Touch
By the way, how is Lumia 950? Having problems with it ? "Claim: Australian carrier Telstra says Lumia 950 failed carrier testing"
http://wmpoweruser.com/claim-australian-carrier-telstra-says-lumia-950-failed-carrier-testing/
Lumia 950 is good; handset has some minor issues (for example, battery life could be better) but replaceable battery and back cover inspires some hope Windows 10 Mobile is working as it supposed to be, smooth & fast. Current release .29 also has some minor issues but (I believe so) MS is working on fixes. I switched from L-920 practically painless. And of course having a huge storage space on the microsd is a BIG plus for me (I like to keep all my photos, videos and lot of music on the phone).
So, if you thinking about switching to Win10Mo, you definitely need to buy L-950 or 950XL (depending of your palm size )
P.S. As for "Lunar Lander Touch" (it was a "entrance" app written in couple of hours): 6 years ago, on the WP7 platform, Microsoft required from developers to publish any app first before receiving developer status. By the way, you may check store for the publisher name "senssoft" (it's me), probably, you'll be a little surprised about some of my published games (and more are coming soon!)
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So, if you thinking about switching to Win10Mo, you definitely need to buy L-950 or 950XL (depending of your palm size )
By the way, you may check store for the publisher name "senssoft" (it's me), probably, you'll be a little surprised about some of my published games (and more are coming soon!)
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The only reason I got 735 and not 830 was the size. For me, a phone's screen should be smaller than 5 inches.
I know, I gave one of your apps five stars some time ago
Isn't it annoying that you don't have a developers page on Windows Store as on Android?https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=SensSoft (different person?)
Lucky for pages like this https://www.appannie.com/apps/windows-phone/publisher/senssoft/
Yes, it's a different person, not me. I've missed Android launch (same as iPhone).
BTW, Lumia 950 size isn't an issue (I also hate huge "fablets" or how that stuff called?), as I said above, my switch from L-920 was painless.
I'll go check it out. But I might wait for the Surface Phone
Seriously now, haven't developers asked for a return to the way of WP8 store? http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/publishers?publisherId=SeNSSoft You could promote your apps easier.