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I am sick of all these ROMs

I guess what I mean to say I am sick of all these problems, with both stock and cooked roms, I just want a phone that works smoothly.
What I wouldn't give for ANY ROM that is reliable.
I have tried ROM after ROM, and I still have not found even one that is truly reliable. The stock ROMs, or ones close to stock are maybe better but not OK.
I am so sick of the slow HTC messenging client (I have tried the fix to disable it, but that doesn't work)
Even the regular windows messenging freezes.
In fact the phone seems to have a lot of fun freezing up all the time. It usually unfreezes after a while, but why would I want a phone that I have to wait 5 minutes for before I can do anything?
All I want is 1 reliable ROM. It doesn't have to be lightning fast, just something that doesn't waste my time.
It would also be nice to have something with a bit of cool graphics in it too, but that is not important.
I have read online about a lot of people having the same problems. Why can't we seem to fix this? I have a lot of faith in Xda-developers, so I know this can be done.

try cooking your own then maybe you'll see how hard it is to make a reliable rom. :|

Yeah, I don't mean to give any offense to the chefs, as I thank them for their effort, but I think the problem is deeper than that.
I just want to know what I can do? Or maybe how can I help to discover the root cause of these problems?

you know...i dont think its the ROMs...
honestly i think it's because the stuff that's on the phone (whether its a stock ROM or a cooked one)
it NEEDS more memory...
thats what i think at least...

well how can one build a ROM that is snappy and reliable?

Its not the RAM, its the Qualcrap MSM7200 processor. Same processor for 3 generations. Thats why.

Check my signature & words of Gandhi Ji, you will understand why we fail. Our greed always outgrows our technological developments & what we are left with in the end is nothing but frustration.
To be specific have shipped ROM & attain the nirvana.

Kind of same feelings here. I have been using modified ROMS and now I realized that some of my text messages don't go through to people. This is kind of bad because I already fired one person from our company because there was misunderstanding cause she never received the message but I didn't believe her cause I got confirmation from the operator that she got the msg
and JUST now the phone just suddenly went blank and now it says that has to reset the device completely. I didn't even touch the phone I just noticed that it had lost the wallpaper suddenly and then tried to reinstall the wallpaper didn't work. Then reset and the phone didn't get on anymore
Luckily after some waiting the screen came and said I can reset the device. Now has to reinstall everything again. Fuuuuck. Would have other things to do than this..

phony said:
I am so sick of the slow HTC messenging client (I have tried the fix to disable it, but that doesn't work)
Even the regular windows messenging freezes.
In fact the phone seems to have a lot of fun freezing up all the time. It usually unfreezes after a while, but why would I want a phone that I have to wait 5 minutes for before I can do anything?
All I want is 1 reliable ROM. It doesn't have to be lightning fast, just something that doesn't waste my time.
It would also be nice to have something with a bit of cool graphics in it too, but that is not important.
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have u tried my rom. i think i got them all covered
let me know here y it wouldn foot ur bill
cheers

Maybe we should start a quest to find that one ultimate ROM that makes this thing into a phone we can rely on.
I bought this phone because I use all of it's features heavily, I text and email and call and view documents, and surf the web and listen to music and watch videos and more constantly on this thing.
For it to be unreliable negates all the good functions it has.
How about we all work on finding/testing one ROM that is priority #1 Reliable?

phony said:
Maybe we should start a quest to find that one ultimate ROM that makes this thing into a phone we can rely on.
I bought this phone because I use all of it's features heavily, I text and email and call and view documents, and surf the web and listen to music and watch videos and more constantly on this thing.
For it to be unreliable negates all the good functions it has.
How about we all work on finding/testing one ROM that is priority #1 Reliable?
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lol...seems kind of a self defeating goal. Can there be anything such as the one perfect Rom when we each have our individual preferences and priorities? Also, we have to factor in the reality that the networks themselves are not reliable. So, if ATnT or Verizon drops calls and text messages, can we really say it is the Rom that is unreliable?

agent_47 said:
have u tried my rom. i think i got them all covered
let me know here y it wouldn foot ur bill
cheers
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hehe, wonderful suggestion... but... this is the ROM I currently use and it has all the same sort of problems.
I really appreciate the ROM though, thank you for making it.

mcfarlan said:
lol...seems kind of a self defeating goal. Can there be anything such as the one perfect Rom when we each have our individual preferences and priorities? Also, we have to factor in the reality that the networks themselves are not reliable. So, if ATnT or Verizon drops calls and text messages, can we really say it is the Rom that is unreliable?
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I was thinking of making one that can be the basis ROM from which all others are birthed. Or at least find what formula or tricks we could apply to make the ROMs better?

lawlz. Good Luck finding the 100% perfect rom.
If you look at each rom's thread, each new rom they release more likely has a new OS build. Then each new build has their own issues, either from previous version or new issue entirely.
IF the rom the chefs release is just plain unusable, they normally release a FIXED rom with the same build.
Known issues are just that, chefs normally don't fix them because they just can't. So hoping for a new build of the software might fix it.
Each of the roms' issues can be fixed with patches, there are general patches that can be found all over or a patch by the chef when they sometimes forget to fix an issue unique to their rom.
From what i've been noticing, no chefs has cooked up the same rom more than 5 times to fix some issues until it is 100% perfect. By the time they do that, there's a new build of the software and they'll be cooking that instead. Not only just the OS build, they'll also add/remove some programs, change programs to newer versions.
All of these combined will introduce new issues.
Then the cycle continues...
There's about 20 or more Rom selection out there that you can choose from. There's gotta be one that is close to your preferences.
A rom that is deemed 100% reliable to others may not be the same to you.

corepda said:
Check my signature & words of Gandhi Ji, you will understand why we fail. Our greed always outgrows our technological developments & what we are left with in the end is nothing but frustration.
To be specific have shipped ROM & attain the nirvana.
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Well the shipped 6.5 ROM on the Tilt2 seems to have the same freezing problem according to countless reviews on the web.

f1ip said:
A rom that is deemed 100% reliable to others may not be the same to you.
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Perhaps then we should deem what is reliable. Firstly, 100%, I know, is too much to ask for, but I want as close as I can get.
So reliability to me means: I can use the phone as it was meant to be used.
This means: no freezing, no need to reset constantly, when someone calls me I can see the caller ID, etc
Simple and easy.
Now is that too much to ask for?

phony said:
hehe, wonderful suggestion... but... this is the ROM I currently use and it has all the same sort of problems.
I really appreciate the ROM though, thank you for making it.
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really???
phony said:
1.I am so sick of the slow HTC messenging client (I have tried the fix to disable it, but that doesn't work)
2.Even the regular windows messenging freezes.
3.In fact the phone seems to have a lot of fun freezing up all the time. It usually unfreezes after a while, but why would I want a phone that I have to wait 5 minutes for before I can do anything?
4.It doesn't have to be lightning fast, just something that doesn't waste my time.
5.It would also be nice to have something with a bit of cool graphics in it too, but that is not important.
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1.i don have HTC clent cooked in to begin with.
2.source of sms hanging is the showcase suite, which is not cooked in
3.well i don share that with u
4.hmmm...let me think
5.hmmm...let me think
sorry i tried helping u out but i don think u are on my rom coz then u would know that leo sms client is not cooked in. nor is showcase suite
thnx for ur input though

Well there are Roms that are really reliable and very fast. I'm using the same custom ROM for a long time now... I never had to reset, no freezing. It just works.
It's more stable then stock even. Just search in the first 3 pages of the rom thread for the touch x roms.
So no it's not to much to ask. I think this thread should be closed because it's only about whining. Nothing constructive.
EDIT: and that's not the only ROM that is stable. And let me remind you that al cooks are doing it for fun and free willing. As end user you can't complain. You have no right. Asking and making requests is fine, but I'm getting sick of people saying nobody is listening or will respond on questions asked multiple times and awnsered multiple times. The same is for people screaming other people don't make them what they want while they have to knowledge about the subject at all.
This is not ment offensive in any way to anyone.

quarintus said:
Well there are Roms that are really reliable and very fast. I'm using the same custom ROM for a long time now... I never had to reset, no freezing. It just works.
It's more stable then stock even. Just search in the first 3 pages of the rom thread for the touch x roms.
So no it's not to much to ask. I think this thread should be closed because it's only about whining. Nothing constructive.
EDIT: and that's not the only ROM that is stable. And let me remind you that al cooks are doing it for fun and free willing. As end user you can't complain. You have no right. Asking and making requests is fine, but I'm getting sick of people saying nobody is listening or will respond on questions asked multiple times and awnsered multiple times. The same is for people screaming other people don't make them what they want while they have to knowledge about the subject at all.
This is not ment offensive in any way to anyone.
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Well, as I said in the first few post, it is not the fault of the chefs, and I appreciate greatly all their efforts. I never complained about the chefs and their ROMS, it is the system itself. Perhaps I am asking Windows Mobile to be better.
It think it boils down to Microsoft building a system that is not up to par, then HTC trying to hack on their software which creates a system that is is inherently flawed.
I fully support and am grateful for all the custom ROMs out there. At least it gives us more interesting choices.

CandyAndy said:
Kind of same feelings here. I have been using modified ROMS and now I realized that some of my text messages don't go through to people. This is kind of bad because I already fired one person from our company because there was misunderstanding cause she never received the message but I didn't believe her cause I got confirmation from the operator that she got the msg
and JUST now the phone just suddenly went blank and now it says that has to reset the device completely. I didn't even touch the phone I just noticed that it had lost the wallpaper suddenly and then tried to reinstall the wallpaper didn't work. Then reset and the phone didn't get on anymore
Luckily after some waiting the screen came and said I can reset the device. Now has to reinstall everything again. Fuuuuck. Would have other things to do than this..
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Wow dude you honestly owe her an apology. You sound like a total douche for ****ing up your phone and firing someone for it.
I'm just saying man, the rest of her life she's going to remember you as a douche for your own mistake.

[Q] Rom Questions?

OK, OK before anyone starts flaming me and saying read honestly it's too much to read I work and have a family and cant read 1,000 post threads to get my answer.
Now that we've gotten that out of the way let's start with what i'm looking for.
I want a rom that has mostly all the stock things like sprint nav, sprint zone, gtalk, sprint football, flashlight, fm radio etc...... Most of the stock goodies or at least an option to install what i want to install from the stock apps.
Also I want a functioning 4g, 3g and possibly a free hotspot app if not no big deal. I dont want a rom where major things (or mostly anything) is broken.
Now hears the hard part which would prob bring the flame, and please be gentle guys for example virus rom looks like it has some goodies, mikfroyo, and one i really like is myn's warm two point two.
With that said i need to have my phone work not halfway working but fully working web, calls, etc.......
Is it possible to have the best of both worlds with these roms fully functionality with the beautiful customization or is it impossible.
I want opinions or experiences or suggestions and please if your not gonna help my cause you dont have to post.
Thanks in advance to all who help in any way they can

I don't know what your idea of halfway working is, because pretty much all sense roms (besides Desire HD and Desire Z) here have everything working... Myn's is no exception. If you like the way his rom looks, use it. The only roms with outstanding issues (4g and hdmi) are aosp based roms (Cyanogenmod, MIUI, LiquidE). Hope this helps.
FYI, there is a Q&A (questions and answers) section, where this post would belong

semi new
I'm semi new to the android seen but I have used all of the following:
Myn's TwoPointTow
MIUI
Synergy
Virus AirBourne
CM6
Ava-FroyoV9
Frost
Fresh
Out of all of them my personal favorite is Ava-FroyoV9. It does everything I want with no problems what so ever and has a nice look to it also.
Again, just my opinion.

Using virus anthrax and its my favorite so far . Miui looked cool but buggy. And know 4 g. Avav9 was also great myn as well.Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

You don't have to read a 1000 pages to get this info..
the Dev's have all the info your looking for in the first post of their rom threads.
They say wether or not something works or not.. and if it has the stock apps your looking for.. and MOST of them give you the .APKs to install the stock apps after if you want them on you SD card after install..
Simple as that..
Simple rules of thumb:
if its a Sense based rom, everything works.. (Desire based sense roms excluded)
if its a ASOP based rom, no HDMI or 4G yet.
and Almost all of them have the wifi-tether program install by default for hotspot. If not its EASILY installable..
and to avoid flaming wear a fire proof suit. (q&a section, there are no stupid questions there)

Azrael best Rom if u ask me
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thanks for all you guys response and i will use the q&a section for things like this for now on and Mods if you wanna move to proper section go ahead.

I personally like xxbabiboixx and virus anthrax ROM.. just a matter of style.

funny thing is i work and have kids wife and still im able to post in the correct section and search

black3188 said:
OK, OK before anyone starts flaming me and saying read honestly it's too much to read I work and have a family and cant read 1,000 post threads to get my answer.
Now that we've gotten that out of the way let's start with what i'm looking for.
I want a rom that has mostly all the stock things like sprint nav, sprint zone, gtalk, sprint football, flashlight, fm radio etc...... Most of the stock goodies or at least an option to install what i want to install from the stock apps.
Also I want a functioning 4g, 3g and possibly a free hotspot app if not no big deal. I dont want a rom where major things (or mostly anything) is broken.
Now hears the hard part which would prob bring the flame, and please be gentle guys for example virus rom looks like it has some goodies, mikfroyo, and one i really like is myn's warm two point two.
With that said i need to have my phone work not halfway working but fully working web, calls, etc.......
Is it possible to have the best of both worlds with these roms fully functionality with the beautiful customization or is it impossible.
I want opinions or experiences or suggestions and please if your not gonna help my cause you dont have to post.
Thanks in advance to all who help in any way they can
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If your looking for a basic stock sense with wi-fi tether and a few light mods this is a great ROM: "Sprint Lovers ROM"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=830153

CheesyNutz said:
funny thing is i work and have kids wife and still im able to post in the correct section and search
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hahaha. lol. this is hilarious. cause i have kids, wife and a job also and just like CheesyNutz i was able to find all the information i needed by putting the time in to search for what i needed to find. it also didnt take reading 1000's of post's. but that is beyod the point...... oh wait no it is the point. he knew that he was going to get flamed for not wanting to search the forum for the info he needed. instead he just went ahead and started yet another thread asking the same question asked in other threads. maybe that is why you have to read 1000's of post's.
Okay with that being said...... I personally like AZRAEL rom and the stock sprint apk's are included in a folder that is added to the sdcard when you install the rom.

Little nevous so I have to ask.

I am thinking about rooting using unrevoked 3. I am pretty sure that is strait forward. After that I should install titanium back up and do a nand back up? Then after that I should be able to delete the sense apk and htc lock apk screen and it should be stock vanilla 2.2 right. If I want to restore for a OTA can I just use the nand backup?
Then if I want to try flashing Roms what should I do? Is the Rom manager app all I need?

I usually try to ignore these threads but jesus man read a lill first
Sent from space

venom_762 said:
I am thinking about rooting using unrevoked 3. I am pretty sure that is strait forward. After that I should install titanium back up and do a nand back up? Then after that I should be able to delete the sense apk and htc lock apk screen and it should be stock vanilla 2.2 right. If I want to restore for a OTA can I just use the nand backup?
Then if I want to try flashing Roms what should I do? Is the Rom manager app all I need?
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OK.
First, wrong section. This should be in Q&A whether anyone responds to it there or not.
Second, Titanium doesn't do NAND backups. That's a job for the recovery.
Third, deleting two apks will not make the ROM "vanilla". It will only mess things up and ruin your experience. If you want "vanilla", there are plenty of AOSP ROMs you can flash after you root.
Fourth, you don't do OTAs after you're rooted. It would unroot you, and you'd have to start all over, and there's no guarantee there would be root available for the new OTA. You should just stick to flashing rooted stock ROMs.
Fifth, I would personally advise against ROM Manager and tell you to learn to do it manually. It's not difficult at all, just a matter of learning a specific sequence of simple steps.
I think that about covers everything. I'm sure someone else will fill in the pieces I've missed.

venom_762 said:
I am thinking about rooting using unrevoked 3. I am pretty sure that is strait forward. After that I should install titanium back up and do a nand back up? Then after that I should be able to delete the sense apk and htc lock apk screen and it should be stock vanilla 2.2 right. If I want to restore for a OTA can I just use the nand backup?
Then if I want to try flashing Roms what should I do? Is the Rom manager app all I need?
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You should probably do some more reading. Titanium back up only backs up apps. If you want a nand back up you do it through recovery. Deleting that stuff does not make it vanilla lol. If you want a vanilla build run a AOSP rom. I don't use Rom manager it crap I flash manually
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Please post your source codes along with the ROM/APP/Development you are doing in this thread.
if not then you realize this is not in the right section. not to be rude but its pretty straight forward with the unrevoked..dont be a ***** and just do it. Otherwise just leave your phone alone.
THIS MIGHT HELP YOU
http://www.xda-developers.com/announcements/a-reminder-from-the-xda-moderator-team/

Google is your friend, learn to use it. Also not trying to scare you, but you could get stuck in bootloops so its better to read everything first then try flashing something.
Your post shows that you are completely clueless, so I really recommend that you read and research before you even attempt to do anything to your device.
Google the following:
1) how to root android
2) how to install custom roms
3) how to use Titanium backup
4) Difference between ASOP and Sense
5) Search in this forum "How to unroot your Evo in two easy steps" if you dont understand or cant follow the instructions there, you may want to reconsider rooting your device. Since if something goes wrong, you will need to unroot the device before taking it to Sprint, etc.
Also dont get offended by these comments because XDA isnt usually like this. But when its very clear that a member hasn't done any research, and expects to be spoonfed all the info, you will get flamed.
How did OP even start this thread in this section? He only has 5 posts... Did the rules change?

wow, my mistake. I'll just stick to Android central.

venom_762 said:
wow, my mistake. I'll just stick to Android central.
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The reason you got the response you did is because you posted in the wrong section. Whike I know you are new to the forum out is always a good idea you read the stickies on any forum you visit.
Tons of new people make the same mistake.i wouldn't let it turn you of but use it as a learning experience.
Xda is an amazing forum (if you are willing to take the time to search post in correct places and do a little work yourself by researching.)
If you aren't willing to do those things then you will find it a cold unfriendly place.
Fort better or worse it is not always newbie friendly. On the plus most of the major developers are here so once you learn you have tons of resources.
Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk

As others have stated previous, irritation arose due to posting in the wrong section (initially) and coming to the table without having first exhausted all resources outside making a new thread (see: Google, searching XDA, other forums, YouTube, even).
There are many guides to help you out there, many on these forums specifically. As one other said previously, as well, don't let this shown irritation from other users discourage you from using these forums. XDA is, by far, the best place regarding the rooting, flashing, development, and customization of our phones. You would be wise to stick around and learn the ropes a bit.
Next time, if you have a question, try posting what you did in the body, explaining what research you have done and what did or didn't work before you decided to post a new thread. This will help others see that you have indeed looked around some and tried some things out instead of rushing to post a new thread without seeing if your question(s) was/were already answered.
Overall, your experience can be very good and you can learn a lot from these forums. I'm still pretty new myself, but I visit these forums every single day and read up on things and just take it all in.
Have fun with everything! If you have any specific questions, feel free to PM me and I'll do my best to help. But do some research before, if you do!

I would suggest reading and asking lots of questions and reading and asking lots of questions and reading and asking lots of questions before doing anything to your phone....
I think all of these responses would make me a little nervous as well...

EndlessDissent -
I have found Rom Manager to be quick and painless, why would you advise against using it?
fyi - I use it w/clockwork recovery instead of Amon-RA. And have downgraded it because of some kind of edify scripting problems. is this less than optimal?

Ok I think I have read all I can and watched all the youtube videos I can handle. It looks pretty strait forward and seems to be easier that the palm pre.
Now can anyone recommend a GB Rom? I would love a pure nexus s expirence. I plan to get it when it comes out.

I would recommend CM7, but some would say no cuz of weird instances that happened to a couple people. Evervolv, Salvage, king's ultra, and miui all have gingerbread though.

venom_762 said:
Ok I think I have read all I can and watched all the youtube videos I can handle. It looks pretty strait forward and seems to be easier that the palm pre.
Now can anyone recommend a GB Rom? I would love a pure nexus s expirence. I plan to get it when it comes out.
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I second CM7. There are thousands of users, thus lots of potential help. It is a ROM that has been for awhile and they have really worked out quite a good percentage of the bugs that will inevitably come with any GB ROM.
Flash CM7 and get a good feel for it before you start hopping ROMs. Also do yourself a favor and make sure you use the search button liberally before you post questions/issues in the CM7 threads and provide some info on what you did to resolve your issues (you will have issues). If you do that the chances you'll get help rather than flames goes up 10,000%.
I would strongly recommend against MIUI. It is unquestionably the best ROM I have ever used, but it is really not a good ROM for an EVO rookie. The quirks in the flashing process are plentiful and the preciseness required by the nature of the ROM will suit you much better a month from now.
I'm sure there will be people who disagree with me, but I help people everyday who would not have needed help if they had learned a little more about the process on a more basic ROM with lot's of support and fewer bells and whistles. Just my two cents.
The options in teh roxxorz's post are good options as well.

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... miui ... gingerbread...
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Here I edited teh roxxorz's post to weed out the erroneous stuff and highlight what's important.

DONT BOTHER WITH THIS SEE Herosso

This is now obsolete, Erasmux has ported the hardware (some of it) which i am havign trouble doing.I dont intend to steal his work so please use his!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1026699
To revert MTD and flash back please see HERE

Issues and Changelog
Changelog..
First version..
Issues..
WIFI
MICROPHONE
CAMERA
NETWORK DATA - A little fishy
ROTATE - Think ive fixed in next version
MARKET - Loops Crashing?
BROWSER - Loops Crashing?

Well no bug or something, but I've added the rom on my mirror . here

Good luck with this. It's great to see that there are still some people who believe in a 2.2 sense rom for the hero
when the rom is tested a bit i will add it to my rom database

dude, you built a rom! congrats on being so bleeding edge bonesy!
I'm impressed with your guts
um, don't take this the wrong way, but I'm not about to try it just yet... ;-) It's just because I need my phone and it's camera etc for daily use. I have faith in you - you've been messing with this stuff longer than I have probably dude and your flashing instructions are VERY clear which is comforting.
I'm really impressed that you persevered like this though man!
cheers
Don

Like I said gonna give it a try when at work. Great work man. And ill report back in here all my findings.
Like don said. Great to see this still happening to the hero.
Sent from my HTC Hero using Tapatalk

What is working? What not?

krygo said:
What is working? What not?
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see 2nd post,Lots working but lots not,was up untill 4am trying to fix some,as soon as i get mic and / or wifi going ill release 0.2

hi there!
I'm a bit puzzled how to revert to pre-MTD changes state.
I am willing to test this rom, but I would like to have an option to nandroid back without much of a problem. I read through the topic bonesy linked, but haven't found a simple answer/solution.
I hope I could help some more, at least confirm bugs or something.
Cheers!
brat.haneq
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Is it as simple, as flashing "remove" zip?

Nearly, you will need to re-flash recovery too, Through fastboot..
Im struggling at the moment as i have 2 different builds on 2 different computers.As soon as i can get to my work computer i can carry on with it all

Call me stupid but is CustomMTD really necessary ? This rom can't work as all roms do? I've flashed it without MTD method and I am stuck on first splash-screen (mine says HERO on black background).
BTW ty for working on a Froyo Sense port for Hero GSM

omg Ninpo is involved, <3 him (nogay)
I will try when it's a little bit better ^^ and can be used for 1 day at school
good work man!

Wupper said:
Well no bug or something, but I've added the rom on my mirror . here
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offtopic:
omg you again XD hahahaha

I will not flash this yet but still I want to say thanks to all devs for working on froyo sense

@bonesy. how are you hoping the development of this ROM will be community driven? Would you like us to simply try it and report bugs (no different to most other ROMS I think) or would you like us to get down and dirty with code wherever possible?
Im just a regular user but i'd like to help with the development of this rom. if i was pointed in the right direction I would even be willing to learn about how to develop this rom!
anyway good effort for starting on this (I expect, long) journey

f_padia said:
@bonesy. how are you hoping the development of this ROM will be community driven? Would you like us to simply try it and report bugs (no different to most other ROMS I think) or would you like us to get down and dirty with code wherever possible?
Im just a regular user but i'd like to help with the development of this rom. if i was pointed in the right direction I would even be willing to learn about how to develop this rom!
anyway good effort for starting on this (I expect, long) journey
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Im hoping all devs will see that there are still people wanting Sense on their hero's,FroYo sense stopped as soon as GB was booting up on the hero and now it seems to be forgotten.Ideally id like to learn how to do ll the porting but theres not much in the way of advice out there..
Is custom MTD really necessary?
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In a word..Yes (its over 200mb in size just on /system partition) hopeing eventually it wont need it

bonesy said:
Im hoping all devs will see that there are still people wanting Sense on their hero's,FroYo sense stopped as soon as GB was booting up on the hero and now it seems to be forgotten.Ideally id like to learn how to do ll the porting but theres not much in the way of advice out there..
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I couldnt agree more! well if you do find anything useful I will help anyway I can

bonesy said:
Im hoping all devs will see that there are still people wanting Sense on their hero's,FroYo sense stopped as soon as GB was booting up on the hero and now it seems to be forgotten.Ideally id like to learn how to do ll the porting but theres not much in the way of advice out there..
In a word..Yes (its over 200mb in size just on /system partition) hopeing eventually it wont need it
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Well took a quick look at this. Will try to devout some more time over the next few days and see if it'll get me anywhere.
What I got for now is:
a) There is quite a lot of "junk" on the system partition here, after a short cleanup it fits very nicely without the MTD patch .
b) libwebcore.so fixes the browser crashes and most likely the markets too.
If I have time tomorrow I'll try to give the microphone a shot, cause this is the most critical problem at this point - whats the point of having a telephone you even talk to...
Hopefully I'll also release something for testing tomorrow...

Thanks Erasmux, i would have gtalked you today but been at work and the boss was in...so no devvin on the work pc lol.Got market and browser fixed as you say and also rotate and i think light sensor.I removed nabservice.apk as it only FC'd.Would be great if we can arrange a time over the W/end to talk

Opened a new thread for "my" version of this port:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1026699
Please note, that the amount of effort I will be able on such a (closed source) ROM is limited. I mainly what to see how far I can get this, especially in terms of hardware support, with my past experience.
So its up to you if you want to continue to keep your version going in parallel. If you do (or anyone else), please feel free to reuse anything from "my" ROM....

Which of this two roms is better?

Jedi Master 16 or Tweaked 2.4? Why?
Thanks

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I had to delete the words I want to tell you like 3 times...
What are you talking about? How can you be so disrespectful?
I Have the tweaked 2.1 version now and I'm not satisfied, I want to know before leaving it hearing from others experiences...

Arturofm2 said:
I had to delete the words I want to tell you like 3 times...
What are you talking about? How can you be so disrespectful?
I Have the tweaked 2.1 version now and I'm not satisfied, I want to know before leaving it hearing from others experiences...
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Just flash it and find out. Someone may sing praises about one rom but your experience may be different. Then there is personal taste. Something only you can attest to. Just give it a whirl. I was never a huge fan of jedi. Great work, just not for me. You might feel different though.
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No disrespect to the OP - but threads like these tend to be dangerous and often times lead to work for the moderators when things get out of hand. This doesn't always happen, but if I were a betting man and knew nothing more than the first post my money would be on it being trouble.
The reasons for this are what EVO-lution of Man stated - especially between those two it's a matter of personal taste (in other words both are fully functioning daily-driver type material in terms of the basic phone functionality and what not). When people start stating opinions, those opinions can be challenged, then a felt need for defending those opinions takes over and things get messy - usually anyway. It's all about what works best for you, and the only way to really know is to try and see.
That being said - if there is something in particular you are unsatisfied with in the current setup another option would be contacting those responsible for it (hi ) and see if anything can be done.

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No disrespect to the OP - but threads like these tend to be dangerous and often times lead to work for the moderators when things get out of hand. This doesn't always happen, but if I were a betting man and knew nothing more than the first post my money would be on it being trouble.
The reasons for this are what EVO-lution of Man stated - especially between those two it's a matter of personal taste (in other words both are fully functioning daily-driver type material in terms of the basic phone functionality and what not). When people start stating opinions, those opinions can be challenged, then a felt need for defending those opinions takes over and things get messy - usually anyway. It's all about what works best for you, and the only way to really know is to try and see.
That being said - if there is something in particular you are unsatisfied with in the current setup another option would be contacting those responsible for it (hi ) and see if anything can be done.
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I didn't mean unsatisfied, I wrote it because I was mad with that guy at the beginning, anyways.. It is not that, what I was trying to say is that I see that jedi has more features, more new things. At least that's my impression, I might be wrong, any ways... I'm installing the tweaked 2.4 version now because it is the one I've always used.
I want to format my phone and now I have to figure out how to install it with the new system, it would be easier with a simple installer (I'm suggesting ).
By the way, I have an extra camera, how can I delete the new one? I'm good with the old one . (I'm saying the app u use to take pics)
Oh, I forgot, I'm not demanding, this is free! and it's your work, and I'm great full to you for the time invested thanks
All right end of the post, it was a stupid idea.

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I didn't mean unsatisfied, I wrote it because I was mad with that guy at the beginning, anyways.. It is not that, what I was trying to say is that I see that jedi has more features, more new things. At least that's my impression, I might be wrong, any ways... I'm installing the tweaked 2.4 version now because it is the one I've always used.
I want to format my phone and now I have to figure out how to install it with the new system, it would be easier with a simple installer (I'm suggesting ).
By the way, I have an extra camera, how can I delete the new one? I'm good with the old one . (I'm saying the app u use to take pics)
Oh, I forgot, I'm not demanding, this is free! and it's your work, and I'm great full to you for the time invested thanks
All right end of the post, it was a stupid idea.
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No worries. You very well might be right on the feature bit - Jedi definitely has features included that are not in tweaked (his kernel work, xposed framework, etc.), but there are likely a few the other way as well - as it should be as it would be a bit redundant if they were too similar That's not to say some of the features are exclusive to one or the other (using the above examples, ptmr posts his kernel separately and xposed is also something that can be installed separately) - just prepackaged.
I'm not sure whether either of these roms lack much in personalization, but I'll take the hit on the installer bit. I still like the idea, but it's a little different and that's not for everyone. That being said I redid much of the OP for 2.4 in order to address this, so hopefully the install process is a bit simpler looking now. And thanks to Alexea - there are a few more theme options around. I am in no way a themer, so one weakness on the tweaked side is definitely my reliance on others to take up the task and share their work. This does not seem to be a weakness on the Jedi side.
I take it you installed the aosp camera? That's the only way I could see you having two at least - if you want to get rid of the aosp one you can use the modificatinator. If you want to get rid of the samsung one you'll want to delete/freeze SamsungCamera.apk in /system/app.
Feel free to PM me if you have any other thoughts/questions/etc. - and I still think you should at least try Jedi. Personally I rather enjoy flashing things to try them out and see what they are like - and you very well may like it enough to stick with it. Of those who run stock modified roms, I think most use Jedi so it's definitely worth a look.

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I didn't mean unsatisfied, I wrote it because I was mad with that guy at the beginning, anyways.. It is not that, what I was trying to say is that I see that jedi has more features, more new things. At least that's my impression, I might be wrong, any ways... I'm installing the tweaked 2.4 version now because it is the one I've always used.
I want to format my phone and now I have to figure out how to install it with the new system, it would be easier with a simple installer (I'm suggesting ).
By the way, I have an extra camera, how can I delete the new one? I'm good with the old one . (I'm saying the app u use to take pics)
Oh, I forgot, I'm not demanding, this is free! and it's your work, and I'm great full to you for the time invested thanks
All right end of the post, it was a stupid idea.
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A little to. Go to settings, tsmparts. Any feature you could possibly imagine is there. Tweaked is close to AOKP with all the options
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Well I tried tweaked 2.4 for a day and it was OK but I did not really get into it. Was going away on trip and needed something solid that I have used before. So I loaded Jedi master 16 and had so many issue with memory swap. Lost all. Oh well. Just look at last few pages of each and u can see what if any issues are in the rom. Now I gonna try tweaked but need to get hold of chef as to changing my kernel cause it did not do deep sleep at all. Maybe I missed something but need to try a diff kernel.

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Well I tried tweaked 2.4 for a day and it was OK but I did not really get into it. Was going away on trip and needed something solid that I have used before. So I loaded Jedi master 16 and had so many issue with memory swap. Lost all. Oh well. Just look at last few pages of each and u can see what if any issues are in the rom. Now I gonna try tweaked but need to get hold of chef as to changing my kernel cause it did not do deep sleep at all. Maybe I missed something but need to try a diff kernel.
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Not sure if we ever wanted to stay on topic, but since we are diverting...
Sorry to hear tweaked didn't strike your fancy - what kernel did you pick? Safest bet is go with stock - not the sexy choice I know but it won't do you wrong in terms of stability.

dwitherell said:
Not sure if we ever wanted to stay on topic, but since we are diverting...
Sorry to hear tweaked didn't strike your fancy - what kernel did you pick? Safest bet is go with stock - not the sexy choice I know but it won't do you wrong in terms of stability.
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+1 Im very happy with stock kernel running 2.4 Ive always seem to have very minor issues with the "sexy" choice....

I've been running the jedi roms since I've got my note and just switched to tweaked in the last few days. I really like them both a lot but I'm definitely liking tweaked a little more. The whole star wars thing was getting a little old for my taste but it was still a great rom. It's all gonna come down to personal preferences and that's about all there is to it.
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Tweaked is 100x better I tried all the TW roms and Tweaked and the S4 Themed one are the best
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Not sure if we ever wanted to stay on topic, but since we are diverting...
Sorry to hear tweaked didn't strike your fancy - what kernel did you pick? Safest bet is go with stock - not the sexy choice I know but it won't do you wrong in terms of stability.
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I believe I did go with stock. I went from a full charge to 20% in about 10 hrs. Just need more battery life.

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I believe I did go with stock. I went from a full charge to 20% in about 10 hrs. Just need more battery life.
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Oh wow - well the more telling stat on that one would be the screen on time. That's a pretty harsh drop if you weren't using your phone, but if the screen was on for half that time then it's much less surprising. Assuming it was off more than on, there have been a few google apps (mostly maps I think) that have been reported to cause some wake lock issues which could be at the root of it - this would be much more the case if the phone was not deep sleeping (except if you enabled the zerowakelag bit).

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Oh wow - well the more telling stat on that one would be the screen on time. That's a pretty harsh drop if you weren't using your phone, but if the screen was on for half that time then it's much less surprising. Assuming it was off more than on, there have been a few google apps (mostly maps I think) that have been reported to cause some wake lock issues which could be at the root of it - this would be much more the case if the phone was not deep sleeping (except if you enabled the zerowakelag bit).
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I gonna try it again with stock kernel and give it a few days and see from that point.

Tweaked is killing it for me

dwitherell never mind bro... I installed the last version of Tweaked and it's running perfect, oh now that I remember, there is something I'd like you to try to fix if you can. When you hack the volume and you make a call, the other person can hear his voice twice, like an echo. And the volume hack is very important.
Respect to the installer, I did the standard when it first came out on 2.1 I think, and I didn't like it that way (but it was not hard at all... my sister could do it and she has 14), then for the 2.4 I used the simple version of the installer and I liked it. So, forget what I said about the installer. Besides... you can modify everything later.
Oh... this was my question at the beginning, if I delete the AOSP camera, I will delete the gallery as well, and I really like the app for the gallery (I don't use the stock one). Is there any way I can delete only the camera?
So... 2 things:
Camera and volume hack
That's it, and they are not even issues, they work great. Thanks for everything :good:

Arturofm2 said:
dwitherell never mind bro... I installed the last version of Tweaked and it's running perfect, oh now that I remember, there is something I'd like you to try to fix if you can. When you hack the volume and you make a call, the other person can hear his voice twice, like an echo. And the volume hack is very important.
Respect to the installer, I did the standard when it first came out on 2.1 I think, and I didn't like it that way (but it was not hard at all... my sister could do it and she has 14), then for the 2.4 I used the simple version of the installer and I liked it. So, forget what I said about the installer. Besides... you can modify everything later.
Oh... this was my question at the beginning, if I delete the AOSP camera, I will delete the gallery as well, and I really like the app for the gallery (I don't use the stock one). Is there any way I can delete only the camera?
So... 2 things:
Camera and volume hack
That's it, and they are not even issues, they work great. Thanks for everything :good:
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No worries
I've heard the echo bit regarding the volume hack. I'll have to add that to the list of things to revisit to see if I can chase down what edit in particular is causing the issue. Yay trial and error
Unfortunately w/ the aosp camera/gallery - they are both contained within one single apk. Unless there is a sort of fanciness out there I am not aware of (a real possibility granted) I don't think you can have one without the other. I'm not sure if they come up as separate entities in something like titanium backup - but if they do perhaps you could freeze the camera part and see what happens w/ the gallery end? Just a thought

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I've heard the echo bit regarding the volume hack. I'll have to add that to the list of things to revisit to see if I can chase down what edit in particular is causing the issue. Yay trial and error
Unfortunately w/ the aosp camera/gallery - they are both contained within one single apk. Unless there is a sort of fanciness out there I am not aware of (a real possibility granted) I don't think you can have one without the other. I'm not sure if they come up as separate entities in something like titanium backup - but if they do perhaps you could freeze the camera part and see what happens w/ the gallery end? Just a thought
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I'll try that