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t-mobile dash & 3g
i've heard that t-mobile is releasing the 3g network in NYC today & 20 other markets later this year. i was wondering if the t-mobile dash was 3g capable?
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i've heard that t-mobile is releasing the 3g network in NYC today & 20 other markets later this year. i was wondering if the t-mobile dash was 3g capable?
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Nope. Unfortunately it isn't.
of course it's not! shoot.
Nope, no 3G for Dash. But even then, 3G is only going to be for voice when it is first started on TMobile.
Nope, no 3G for Dash. But even then, 3G is only going to be for voice when it is first started on TMobile.
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3G only for voice? That makes no sense. 3G is used for data, and GSM is used for voice as far as I understand it in current implementations. At least that's the way, I understand my Touch Cruise is operating on AT&T's network. And if that wasn't the case, my Touch Cruise would have an atrocius talk time.
My question is: when T-Mo rolls out 3G, will the data plan increase from $19.99 to something else? I've read up on the 3G rollout--but not much. So I haven't run across anything talking about a possible spike in price. Though unfavorable, it would seem like a logical move for T-Mo. They currently offer the least expensive data plan vs. the "Big Three", but they also happen to be the only carrier NOT offering 3G support.
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3G only for voice? That makes no sense. 3G is used for data, and GSM is used for voice as far as I understand it in current implementations. At least that's the way, I understand my Touch Cruise is operating on AT&T's network. And if that wasn't the case, my Touch Cruise would have an atrocius talk time.
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my previous phone was a nokia E61 with no camera and it was 3g compatible.. as it used ofr fatser sreaming and data downloads.
I expect data rates to increase slightly with 3G on T-Mobile. They'll probably make it the same, or slightly less, than AT&T/Verizon.
The Shadow II is supposed to be one of the first WinMo 3G devices to hit T-Mobile.
TMO has already started it's 3g roll out in New York city, TMO will setup a total of 25 markets this year 2008 with rest of TMO'S markets coming in next year. Get all the facts here http://www.tmonews.com
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The 3g device that I want from TMO will be released 9/1/08 per TMO, yeah! Anybody know when 16GB SDHC Card will be hitting the streets, I might have start out with 8GB SDHC Card. This is what blowing my mind, and the word is that TMO'S 3g will be faster than the current AT&T'S 3g. I thought all 3g speed was the same, I guess it's not. Can anybody explain what is {TX} on 3g devices...........!
My understanding is that Tmos 3g will be 7.2mps where others are 3.6mps... so double the speed. They will also be on 1700mhz band which is currently used for government security stuff(reason why they are slowly rolling it out is it needs to be vacated first). tHING THAT SUCKS ABOUT THAT IS THAT WE WILL BE STUCK WITH TMOBILE CHOICE OF PHONES. Although hopefully they will make their phones worthwhile at that point. I know everyone is going crazy about the blackberry they are gonna have
The Ultimate Speed, 624 MHz Processor On A Smartphone
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My understanding is that Tmos 3g will be 7.2mps where others are 3.6mps... so double the speed. They will also be on 1700mhz band which is currently used for government security stuff(reason why they are slowly rolling it out is it needs to be vacated first). tHING THAT SUCKS ABOUT THAT IS THAT WE WILL BE STUCK WITH TMOBILE CHOICE OF PHONES. Although hopefully they will make their phones worthwhile at that point. I know everyone is going crazy about the blackberry they are gonna have
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You are talking about the BlacKBerry 9000 Bold 3g, wifi, new updated media player, 2.0 MP camera, 128MB flash memory, 1GB built in memory, 8/16GB SDHC Card slot, 624 MHz processor. I got a Dell Axim X51v with a 624 MHz Processor running Lenny's latest 6.1 beta 5 ROM, I call it my UFO device, because it has UFO speeds. Rim has now changed the game and set a new higher standard for smartphones, it even has a rtsp:// youtube player built in, oh my God, RIM has stolen my blu-ray player..........!
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You are talking about the BlacKBerry 9000 Bold 3g, wifi, new updated media player, 2.0 MP camera, 128MB flash memory, 1GB built in memory, 8/16GB SDHC Card slot, 624 MHz processor. I got a Dell Axim X51v with a 624 MHz Processor running Lenny's latest 6.1 beta 5 ROM, I call it my UFO device, because it has UFO speeds. Rim has now changed the game and set a new higher standard for smartphones, it even has a rtsp:// youtube player built in, oh my God, RIM has stolen my blu-ray player..........!
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Yes but I wasnt going to post an ad... LOL!! I just like the windows mobile operating system... call me crazy but I do. now if there was a way to run a blackberry with it then I'd be all over it... 624mhz will be lightning quick!!
the t-mobile phone road map was leaked a dew days ago...18 phones being released from June 1st to August 1st. Among them are the Shadow II AND Shadow III. I am assuming the III is the beloved Diamond as it hit the FCC last week. Booyah vga!
The Diamond Is A Beautiful Devices, BUT!
djnutz said:
the t-mobile phone road map was leaked a dew days ago...18 phones being released from June 1st to August 1st. Among them are the Shadow II AND Shadow III. I am assuming the III is the beloved Diamond as it hit the FCC last week. Booyah vga!
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It's a touch screen device with 4GB of built in memory, it has no room (slot) for a expansion micro SD/SDHC Card slot. So the Diamond is a no go with me. The BlackBerry Bold 9000 was on that list also, now that's the device I'm waiting for, coming soon, my next smartphone toy..............!
You guys in the USA and Europe are lucky. Here in Canada, although highspeed internet is available on our cell phones, the data rates offered by the operators just kill it. Paying 40$ for a whooping 8 MB per month, anyone interested?
$15 2 MB $10/MB if over limit
$25 4 MB $10/MB if over limit
$40 8 MB $7/MB if over limit
$60 30 MB $7/MB if over limit
$80 500 MB $3/MB if over limit
$100 1 GB $1/MB if over limit
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It's a touch screen device with 4GB of built in memory, it has no room (slot) for a expansion micro SD/SDHC Card slot. So the Diamond is a no go with me. The BlackBerry Bold 9000 was on that list also, now that's the device I'm waiting for, coming soon, my next smartphone toy..............!
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what???? no card slot in the diamond??? why the hell would htc do this??? this better be the cheaper version. thanks for the info Tech, i was eyeballin that phone like a lot of others. this is the saddest news about the diamond.
Yeah, No Card Slot On The Diamond, But 4GB Built In Memory!
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what???? no card slot in the diamond??? why the hell would htc do this??? thanks for the info Tech, i was eyeballin that phone like a lot of others. this is the saddest news about the diamond.
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I believe the Diamond will be the Shadow III coming to T-Mobile in a few months, but the Diamond has some cool features...........!
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I believe the Diamond will be the Shadow III coming to T-Mobile in a few months, but the Diamond has some cool features...........!
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yes everthing is great about the diamond and it is the shadowIII, but the lack of a memory expansion slot is just a huge downfalll for a multimedia phone. htc should have used an 8gig instead. maybe then this downfall wouldnt be so bad. but yea this must be some sort of sale technique.
Well im stuck on deciding which one to get. i already know the 3g/4g data wont work on the international but it will by the end of this year because t-mo is refarming. Everything is better about the international (processor, gpu, audio, support) except for the 1 gb extra ram on the t-mo version. So my question is should i buy the international one and use edge speed until t mobile refarms or play it safe and just get the t-mo?
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Well im stuck on deciding which one to get. i already know the 3g/4g data wont work on the international but it will by the end of this year because t-mo is refarming. Everything is better about the international (processor, gpu, audio, support) except for the 1 gb extra ram on the t-mo version. So my question is should i buy the international one and use edge speed until t mobile refarms or play it safe and just get the t-mo?
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i9300 is better. but if you're with tmobile, why not just get t999? its cheaper. though i personally like i9300. its snappy
JoJo2211 said:
i9300 is better. but if you're with tmobile, why not just get t999? its cheaper. though i personally like i9300. its snappy
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the specs on the international are better and is more future-proof with the quad-core and more development support. is it too risky to buy the international version and wait for t-mobiles refarming?
Will T-Mo finish refarming any time soon?
Side question, does anybody know the time frame of T-Mo getting LTE?
I am going in the morning and getting the international. And I am actually on straight talk. But ehen tmo gets data so will I. I think getting the quad core when uts already august it will only be a few months then yoy will be stuck wanting to upgrade again
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Well im stuck on deciding which one to get. i already know the 3g/4g data wont work on the international but it will by the end of this year because t-mo is refarming. Everything is better about the international (processor, gpu, audio, support) except for the 1 gb extra ram on the t-mo version. So my question is should i buy the international one and use edge speed until t mobile refarms or play it safe and just get the t-mo?
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if your with t mobile i would just get the sgh t999... can save you headaches later on.
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Will T-Mo finish refarming any time soon?
Side question, does anybody know the time frame of T-Mo getting LTE?
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T-Mo said by the end of 2012 and they said they will start LTE in 2013
Is there any evidence that the international version would work on T-Mobile's LTE? AT&T and Verizon already have LTE, yet they still use the S4 variant. Maybe the bands aren't the same?
I don't know why you all are talking about LTE, the INTL version doesn't support LTE period. HSPA+ 21 is all it supports and that is on AT&T network. If I were you, I would get the TMO version even if the quad core supported TMO's 4G, I feel the Snapdragon S4 in the T999 is on par or better than the quad core in the International GS3 mainly because the S4 chip is built off the A15 architecture while the quad is A9. I've held them both for 30 minutes because I was in the same predicament you are in and I chose T-Mobile's version because it felt snappier. You can search YouTube as well, there are plenty YouTube videos on on this very subject comparing the two phones. There mostly no difference in speed, and that should tell you a lot about the chip in this phone. If you're a hardcore user, this chip can handle any and all task you and the Play Store can through at it and some, not only because of the awesome S4 chip, but because the 2GB of RAM. This phone is ridiculous. You will love either one but for you and the Network you are on, go with the T-mobile Galaxy S3. That's my advice, take it or leave it.
I work for tmobile, But opted for sprint. as far as the notes in our internal files show. theres only a tentative Q4 timeframe for MAJOR cities. the only city that seems to be getting any love is SF with tmobile investing 4 billion dollars into the network buying up spectrum just so they have the chance to grab up more iphone users. some of you very well may be out of luck for quite a while. tmobile is content to let you roam until you hit certain limits then theyll terminate you under ERR(Extreme Roaming) great thing about that is it saves you an early 200 dollar term fee.
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I work for tmobile, But opted for sprint. as far as the notes in our internal files show. theres only a tentative Q4 timeframe for MAJOR cities. the only city that seems to be getting any love is SF with tmobile investing 4 billion dollars into the network buying up spectrum just so they have the chance to grab up more iphone users. some of you very well may be out of luck for quite a while. tmobile is content to let you roam until you hit certain limits then theyll terminate you under ERR(Extreme Roaming) great thing about that is it saves you an early 200 dollar term fee.
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Seems to me all T-Mobile cares about is the iPhone, all their ads and I mean ALL OF THEM! Include the iPhone. So annoying. They advertise the iPhone more than their own devices.
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I don't know why you all are talking about LTE, the INTL version doesn't support LTE period. HSPA+ 21 is all it supports and that is on AT&T network. If I were you, I would get the TMO version even if the quad core supported TMO's 4G, I feel the Snapdragon S4 in the T999 is on par or better than the quad core in the International GS3 mainly because the S4 chip is built off the A15 architecture while the quad is A9. I've held them both for 30 minutes because I was in the same predicament you are in and I chose T-Mobile's version because it felt snappier. You can search YouTube as well, there are plenty YouTube videos on on this very subject comparing the two phones. There mostly no difference in speed, and that should tell you a lot about the chip in this phone. If you're a hardcore user, this chip can handle any and all task you and the Play Store can through at it and some, not only because of the awesome S4 chip, but because the 2GB of RAM. This phone is ridiculous. You will love either one but for you and the Network you are on, go with the T-mobile Galaxy S3. That's my advice, take it or leave it.
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wow that was a great answer. Thank you very much this just made up my mind
To be honest with you, tmobile is really interested in the iphone, they dont want to invest the cash in tmobile is in a really unfortunate position and its all due to the piss poor decisions they are making. the Tmobile GS3 is better than the internaional one imo and loads better than the iphone but the internal document i read, actually advocated telling the users they were investing 4 billion into one specific city receiving iphone capabilities even though 1/4 of our call volume is "theres no service in my area" honestly if tmobiles sim subsidy unlocking practices werent so much better than At&ts i wouldnt even view them as a viable option =/
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I work for tmobile, But opted for sprint. as far as the notes in our internal files show. theres only a tentative Q4 timeframe for MAJOR cities. the only city that seems to be getting any love is SF with tmobile investing 4 billion dollars into the network buying up spectrum just so they have the chance to grab up more iphone users. some of you very well may be out of luck for quite a while. tmobile is content to let you roam until you hit certain limits then theyll terminate you under ERR(Extreme Roaming) great thing about that is it saves you an early 200 dollar term fee.
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WOW, I just left Sprint after 12 yrs and my Evo LTE for the TMO GS3. I get 15% discount on both but TMO is $40 cheaper per month for 3 lines with 5,2,2 data unlimted min and 500min for 3rd line. Sprint has crept up by $39 on my 3 lines over the last 2yrs with data increase and ins increase. I got tired of the below 1mbps 3G speeds and the nonexistent LTE while living in one of the LTE launch cities. Loving my cheaper plan with HSPA+ getting double digit dl speeds.
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i personal got the t-mobile s3 t-999 and i like its fast and responsive no real issues i noticed
IRIE4IPIER has some good advice, and is right on. If you do opt for the international version, be prepared for a very slow network experience on T-Mobile. Also, about the quad-core vs dual-core thing. I would definitely opt for the 2GB RAM dual-core over the 1GB RAM quad-core on these phones. The S4 CPU in the dual-core version is no slouch, and it is A15-ish. The Exynos, of course, is great, but there is nothing that you can do on the international version (assuming you are in the U.S. and not continuously running AnTuTu benchmarks) that you cannot do on the T-Mobile version. Conversely, there are many things that you will not be able to do on the international version.
Edit: Ok, seems as though you made your decision. Congrats.
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wow that was a great answer. Thank you very much this just made up my mind
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you were trying to base your choice on pure speculation, as well. as of now, there is no actual, tangible release date for a network upgrade. if you bought the international version, you'd be stuck with slow mobile speeds, for what reason? because of 2 more CPUs and less ram?
good thing you made the right choice :good:
Ok, thread's been sitting but let me 2c it.
The current t-mobile network performance on the quad s3 is astoundingly bad, hopefully once they implement it will be better. Even though I knew this, I still opted for the int version because of the quad core. I consistently max out processors, so was looking for the quad and was extremely disappointed that we got the dumbed-down version in the states. Used to that though (lower performance imports, electronics, no diesels, etc, etc)
Could the quad core have worked with our current network? Of course, t-mobile made the requisite radio hardware changes for the upcoming network. Anyway, the other concern was the lack of an additional gig of ram. The solution for this problem is enabling linux-style swap on the kernel. On the former Galaxy S kernels, developers shied away from this citing it did not really work. This always frustrated me, as it does work and that's why linux uses it. The question is if it's effective on the Android system. Well, Android is constructed along the principals of linux.
Also, take note that both Windows 7 and Windows 8 ask if you want to enable you're flash drive as swap. Windows finally caught on to this too. (Sorry Mac, you're still a little slow, but your products certainly cost enough!)
Anyway, one of our developers is enabling swap in his kernel now (SiyahKernel).
Availible here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1709686
And with full rom build and installer here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1734643
(Note: This kernel is for ICS and not LB, it's why I'm sticking with ICS now)
Here's a great write-up on enabling swap: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1814311&highlight=4+1
Ok, I've tested the T-Mobile s3 multiple times and found the quad scores (I know, I know) to be in the lower 4000's. Non-oc'd the int s3 was able to barely break into the 5000's.
Overclocked with SetCPU (has to be kernel enabled, the Siyah kernel allows this) and swap enabled (1 gig, class-10 sd), I was able to achieve 6230 on Quadrant Standard.
Not too damn shabby!
(Thanks Dev's)
Only question is, will there be any work-a-round to speed up the int on T-Mobile prior to the HSPA+?
Don't know.
dont be a fool! go with tmobile!!!
dannydv said:
dont be a fool! go with tmobile!!!
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If he wanted the int version it's his choice to make and that doesn't make him a fool.
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Hey guys,
Looking for some opinions. I'm planning on jumping ship top the galaxy note 2. I live in the USA and I'm in an area with great LTE coverage. I'm either going to purchase the international or local variant.
I'm thinking of getting the international version because I assume development will be much greater and more accessories available.
If I wait and get the Att version I'll have access to the LTE network, but I fear there will be less development and accessories.
Any thoughts, what would you guys do?
Thanks,
Rob
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Great LTE speeds or great development. AT&T version will have the same specs as the international version. The rest is up to you to make a decision
im getting unlocked version i have a GS3 on ATT and HSAP+ is pretty good on ATT.. plus no crap ware from ATT unless you root which is the only to roll :highfive: more support on unlock.. plus HSAP+ will be more battery friendly :victory:
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im getting unlocked version i have a GS3 on ATT and HSAP+ is pretty good on ATT.. plus no crap ware from ATT unless you root which is the only to roll :highfive: more support on unlock.. plus HSAP+ will be more battery friendly :victory:
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My thoughts exacty. Received my N7100 on Monday. LTE is not available in my area anyway.
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Pinkthesink said:
Hey guys,
Looking for some opinions. I'm planning on jumping ship top the galaxy note 2. I live in the USA and I'm in an area with great LTE coverage. I'm either going to purchase the international or local variant.
I'm thinking of getting the international version because I assume development will be much greater and more accessories available.
If I wait and get the Att version I'll have access to the LTE network, but I fear there will be less development and accessories.
Any thoughts, what would you guys do?
Thanks,
Rob
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i am in the same boat, picked up the NOTE 2 7100 and honestly after using the htc one x lte for 5 months on mobile network i really havent felt deprived unless im viewing a picture heavy site. my theory is i can sell my 7100 get the att one or buy the att one stuff my 7100 in the box (after switching stickers of course) and return it.
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My thoughts exacty. Received my N7100 on Monday. LTE is not available in my area anyway.
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must be loving it:victory: im close to pulling the trigger..the more i go on this site and watch youtube videos about the Note 2 the closer ill buy it..im really wanting a 32GB due to i dont know why we cant run apps from SD cards or burst shots saved ect and what else that only runs on internal memory..16GB now days gets eaten up quick specially when backed up roms .. the SD card reader on the NOTE supports them crazy fast reading from sandisk cards...
high end phones now days should be 32GB at the lowest phones are getting smarter/faster/higher camera MP ect and require more GB but i guess i can live with 16GB for apps only and like 3 roms backed up ect..i feel more safe with 32GB plus the note is design for content consumption i dont really talk on the phone:silly:
i miss my note 1 in a way but was just a test drive to see if i like it and i did. i dont really like 1st gen devices.
I'm agreeing with you guys about LTE, its fast but the hspa+ in this area is real good as well. Plus there's no telling what Att will do to the device, bootloader and all. I think I'll go the intl route for now. Any ideas on foreign suppliers right now, I've used clove on the UK for the original note and gs2 with great success.
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I prefer international version too but I'm having such a bad luck with data speed. I can barely go over 1mbps, if I'm lucky 2mbps at the most. I know my location has LTE coverage but doesn't seem hspa+ friendly. It's so frustrating, for that reason I might try att LTE version since specs are most identical.
As for accessories, I don't think there will be too much difference. Int & US S3 has just about same amount of accessories availability. I assume it will be same for Note 2.
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One thing I don't see a lot of people mentioning is the tethering capabilities of the international version.
That is the main reason why I went with the international version of the US version HTC One X, Galaxy S3 and now the Note 2 was for the built in tethering.
With the US version, as soon as I tried tethering a device to it, it requires me to add an appropriate more expensive data plan before I can connect.
With the international versions, I tether all day to them with my laptop, my other wifi devices ect. without incurring any extra charges or making any changes to my current data plan.
That my friend, is way worth it for me to go with the international version.
Once you got LTE, you never go back...thats me though. Same exact specs plus LTE? Also it should be out in a week or two? Id wait.
So people who have Note 2 in the US how are your data speeds are seeing a big difference in not having the LTE version? I live in a non LTE area does affect me?
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So people who have Note 2 in the US how are your data speeds are seeing a big difference in not having the LTE version? I live in a non LTE area does affect me?
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Comparing my international note2 to my wife's galaxy S3 with AT&T's LTE service, she gets faster data speeds - at least 2x what I can get (and sometimes even 4-5x times what I can get.) (I get about 4 to 7 down while I've seen hers go as high as 25 down.) However, it's really not noticable for web browsing, email, etc. The only time I noticed any difference (outside of the speedtest benchmark app) was when downloading something from the google play store. Even that isn't an issue for me, as I usually don't download from the play store when I'm not home (and on wifi.)
Having the LTE device will result in heavier battery usage (even in a non-LTE area.) Until the devices start showing up, however, it's impossible to say what the difference will be. It might be an extremely power efficient LTE chip, or it might not be. The extra drain will be most noticable when the device is connected to the LTE network and data is transfering. Even when NOT using data or not connected to LTE, it will still drain extra power (as the extra LTE chip will be powered and will occassionally search for an LTE connection.)
Take care
Gary
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Comparing my international note2 to my wife's galaxy S3 with AT&T's LTE service, she gets faster data speeds - at least 2x what I can get (and sometimes even 4-5x times what I can get.) (I get about 4 to 7 down while I've seen hers go as high as 25 down.) However, it's really not noticable for web browsing, email, etc. The only time I noticed any difference (outside of the speedtest benchmark app) was when downloading something from the google play store. Even that isn't an issue for me, as I usually don't download from the play store when I'm not home (and on wifi.)
Having the LTE device will result in heavier battery usage (even in a non-LTE area.) Until the devices start showing up, however, it's impossible to say what the difference will be. It might be an extremely power efficient LTE chip, or it might not be. The extra drain will be most noticable when the device is connected to the LTE network and data is transfering. Even when NOT using data or not connected to LTE, it will still drain extra power (as the extra LTE chip will be powered and will occassionally search for an LTE connection.)
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Gary
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Thank you for that information so despite the the data speeds are you satisfied with the Int Note 2 or do you think you will switching to the US version?
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I have never owned an LTE phone and seem to do just fine on HSPA+. My Note 2 will here Monday (from Newegg) and I'll just use it as I do every other HSPA+ phone. If it meets my needs (streaming netflix/radio/tethering) I'll just keep it. If the AT&T version is super power efficient and screams on LTE without sucking (bloatware, locked down, etc) I'll just sell my mint international Note 2 and move on with my life and get the AT&T version.
Win-win.
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Thank you for that information so despite the the data speeds are you satisfied with the Int Note 2 or do you think you will switching to the US version?
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Most likely, I'll keep the international version. I expect AT&T to sell their LTE version for 750 off contract (75 more than I paid for the international), it'll be bloated (as every AT&T device is), locked to AT&T frequencies and SIMs, and I don't think it'll be as well supported by the open community as the n7100.
Finally, I think it'll be at least one more generation of chips before LTE is power efficient enough for me. I simply don't do anything with my phone that really takes advantage of the LTE speeds - so the extra battery drain from the LTE support isn't worth it for me.
If I used my phone for tethering, on the other hand, I probably wouldn't even consider the non-LTE handsets anymore (and would keep a spare battery or two.)
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Gary
Any idea what size sim card will be used for the AT&T version? Should be regular size right? That is my only concern because I don't want to have to cut my regular sized sim card if I were to get the international version. Unless AT&T will use micro sim too... if that's the case then I could just buy the international version now since I'll be cutting my sim card either way.. and I don't really need LTE and AT&T's bloatware.
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Any idea what size sim card will be used for the AT&T version? Should be regular size right? That is my only concern because I don't want to have to cut my regular sized sim card if I were to get the international version. Unless AT&T will use micro sim too... if that's the case then I could just buy the international version now since I'll be cutting my sim card either way.. and I don't really need LTE and AT&T's bloatware.
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microSIM. Pretty much all new phones these days are micro. It's the new standard.
What carriers are you guys using to tether?
Just curious because i was considering straight talk but its against their ToS to tether.
just something i found on youtube!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz6frJcsAh0
LTE version of note 2 bench marked lower then the N7100
turilo said:
just something i found on youtube!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz6frJcsAh0
LTE version of note 2 bench marked lower then the N7100
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Lol totally disregard my last post lte note 2 is the same in benchmark tests
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I was talking to a Best Buy Mobile employee(probably my first mistake). But he said he confirmed that the US version would be dual core. I have no reason to believe him but has anyone else heard that? I tried to find anything about this on the Note 2 forums but found nothing.
Everything points to quad. I'm more concerned about the lack of Wolfson DAC in the AT&T version...which is probably a given.
The Exynos 4412 has a 2nd variant with a LTE modem, so the US will get a quad-core as well.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...op-five-us-carriers-in-time-for-the-holidays/
hellron said:
i was talking to a best buy mobile employee(probably my first mistake). But he said he confirmed that the us version would be dual core. I have no reason to believe him but has anyone else heard that? I tried to find anything about this on the note 2 forums but found nothing.
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At least I did preface it with a doubt of trust heh.
Turbotab said:
The Exynos 4412 has a 2nd variant with a LTE modem, so the US will get a quad-core as well.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...op-five-us-carriers-in-time-for-the-holidays/
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Frankly I was surprised they didn't have this quad core variant ready for the US carrier S3 but I find the Note2 far more compelling anyway.. In that class I prefer the HTCOneX variants but the Note2 is in its own king class of handsets. Every time I'm reminded of its features, it makes it that much harder to put up with my 22 month old EVO. The Note 2 should hold up far better than our current handsets but I wouldn't be surprised if the Note 3 has a 1080p screen with stereo speakers clocked at 2+GHz with 12+MP amazing camera features & additional enhancements-functionality prompting another interest in upgrading next year..
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Frankly I was surprised they didn't have this quad core variant ready for the US carrier S3 but I find the Note2 far more compelling anyway.. In that class I prefer the HTCOneX variants but the Note2 is in its own king class of handsets. Every time I'm reminded of its features, it makes it that much harder to put up with my 22 month old EVO. The Note 2 should hold up far better than our current handsets but I wouldn't be surprised if the Note 3 has a 1080p screen with stereo speakers clocked at 2+GHz with 12+MP amazing camera features & additional enhancements-functionality prompting another interest in upgrading next year..
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Oh it will be a nice upgrade for me too. Change from this old Thunderbolt heh. I've kinda wondered since the thunderbolt was one of the first 4g phones(the first?) would a newer phone actually be faster as far as data goes? I'm still a noob to a lot of stuff and just thought I would ask.
Hellron said:
Oh it will be a nice upgrade for me too. Change from this old Thunderbolt heh. I've kinda wondered since the thunderbolt was one of the first 4g phones(the first?) would a newer phone actually be faster as far as data goes? I'm still a noob to a lot of stuff and just thought I would ask.
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Any modern LTE phone will smoke the Thunderbolt as it had a janky first-gen LTE chip that completely sucked.
So yeah, the Note 2 will be blazing.
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Frankly I was surprised they didn't have this quad core variant ready for the US carrier S3 but I find the Note2 far more compelling anyway.. In that class I prefer the HTCOneX variants but the Note2 is in its own king class of handsets. Every time I'm reminded of its features, it makes it that much harder to put up with my 22 month old EVO. The Note 2 should hold up far better than our current handsets but I wouldn't be surprised if the Note 3 has a 1080p screen with stereo speakers clocked at 2+GHz with 12+MP amazing camera features & additional enhancements-functionality prompting another interest in upgrading next year..
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The Exynos 4 SoC doesn't have an LTE modem in it, so any Exynos 4 powered device has to have a seperate LTE modem chip. I'm guessing there wasn't enough room with the S3 while with the Note 2 there's probably enough real estate behind the screen for it.
gmkelly001 said:
The Exynos 4 SoC doesn't have an LTE modem in it, so any Exynos 4 powered device has to have a seperate LTE modem chip. I'm guessing there wasn't enough room with the S3 while with the Note 2 there's probably enough real estate behind the screen for it.
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Seriously, nothing to do with size, see the link below, the LTE modem chip is hardly massive, it fits fine in a iPhone 5. Most likely the S3 Exynos wasn't launched with LTE, was due to time to market and the need to validate the new modem. The S3 was available first in Europe, where LTE is not yet common place, so a LTE version would have bumped the price for no benefit. There is a LTE version of Exynos S3 in the pipeline, due for release by late 2012, as Europe rolls out LTE.
http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/Xcm1d4MbTZVgFJfv.large
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Seriously, nothing to do with size, see the link below, the LTE modem chip is hardly massive, it fits fine in a iPhone 5. Most likely the S3 Exynos wasn't launched with LTE, was due to time to market and the need to validate the new modem. The S3 was available first in Europe, where LTE is not yet common place, so a LTE version would have bumped the price for no benefit. There is a LTE version of Exynos S3 in the pipeline, due for release by late 2012, as Europe rolls out LTE.
http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/Xcm1d4MbTZVgFJfv.large
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Space is usually at a premium in most smartphones, even if the components are relatively small. The iPhone 5 is a poor comparison since it's taller than the 4/4S so of course it would have more room for an LTE chip. There is already an Exynos 4 Galaxy S3 with LTE in Korea, and it is indeed thicker and heavier than the normal S3.
http://www.androidcentral.com/black-samsung-galaxy-s3-lte-jelly-bean-hands
Seems like decent evidence that it's a space issue. It's not the battery since they all use the same 2100mAh battery. Either way, this doesn't effect the US Note 2.
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Space is usually at a premium in most smartphones, even if the components are relatively small. The iPhone 5 is a poor comparison since it's taller than the 4/4S so of course it would have more room for an LTE chip. There is already an Exynos 4 Galaxy S3 with LTE in Korea, and it is indeed thicker and heavier than the normal S3.
Seems like decent evidence that it's a space issue. It's not the battery since they all use the same 2100mAh battery. Either way, this doesn't effect the US Note 2.
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Wasn't there a previous phone that was quad core international but dual core in the US? Or is it that S3 you are talking about now? Maybe that's the one I'm thinking about.
Hellron said:
Wasn't there a previous phone that was quad core international but dual core in the US? Or is it that S3 you are talking about now? Maybe that's the one I'm thinking about.
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The one x did that too. Internationally it was tegra 3 domestically it was s4 dual. But in that case is prefer the s4 as its newer architecture and smaller transistor size.
gmkelly001 said:
Space is usually at a premium in most smartphones, even if the components are relatively small. The iPhone 5 is a poor comparison since it's taller than the 4/4S so of course it would have more room for an LTE chip. There is already an Exynos 4 Galaxy S3 with LTE in Korea, and it is indeed thicker and heavier than the normal S3.
http://www.androidcentral.com/black-samsung-galaxy-s3-lte-jelly-bean-hands
Seems like decent evidence that it's a space issue. It's not the battery since they all use the same 2100mAh battery. Either way, this doesn't effect the US Note 2.
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Android Central didn't point to any figures to back their claim about being thicker.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S_III
SHV-E210K/L/S - The Korean Model with LTE is slightly thicker 9.0 mm vs 8.6 mm & heavier 138.5g vs 133g, but the GT-I9305 (Exynos with LTE) is exactly the same weight and dimensions as the regular international i9300, not sure why the Korean model is a tiny bit heavier, hold the press the Korean model has model RAM 2 GB vs only 1 GB in the international, hence the slightly heavier weight. OK, according to a different source the LTE international is slightly heavier (+2 grams), but the same dimension as the non-LTE international.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3789&c=samsung_gt-i9305_galaxy_s_iii_lte_eu
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3495&c=samsung_gt-i9300_galaxy_s_iii_32gb
Btw, regarding the Galaxy S3 aside from a larger battery, what additional components are there that require more space than the smaller iPhone 5?, so I personally doubt think space was a factor in this case, although you are right that space is always tight in smartphones, it was more likely no LTE in Europe, would create a higher cost and worse battery life for the consumer for no additional benefit. Anyway, maybe we are both wrong and Samsung wanted to piss off the early adopters, by releasing a LTE version with twice the RAM a few months later
Probably just coincidence but I've wondered if some current phones actually get better data speeds than others? I went to the verizon store and used the speedtest app on an sg3 and a maxx razer hd and the sg3 only got 8-10MB and the razer got 25MB on the same 4g network in the store. It sounds too far apart to be a coincidence...
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Probably just coincidence but I've wondered if some current phones actually get better data speeds than others? I went to the verizon store and used the speedtest app on an sg3 and a maxx razer hd and the sg3 only got 8-10MB and the razer got 25MB on the same 4g network in the store. It sounds too far apart to be a coincidence...
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Both the Verizon Galaxy S3 and the Razr Maxx HD use the same Qualcomm S4 SoC with the same LTE modem built into it. Not sure why you got different speedtest results but it's probably not because of the hardware. Could possibly be antenna design, but I doubt it.
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Probably just coincidence but I've wondered if some current phones actually get better data speeds than others? I went to the verizon store and used the speedtest app on an sg3 and a maxx razer hd and the sg3 only got 8-10MB and the razer got 25MB on the same 4g network in the store. It sounds too far apart to be a coincidence...
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Of course... all the time...
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Both the Verizon Galaxy S3 and the Razr Maxx HD use the same Qualcomm S4 SoC with the same LTE modem built into it. Not sure why you got different speedtest results but it's probably not because of the hardware. Could possibly be antenna design, but I doubt it.
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Antenna design/placement/material could have a VERY huge factor. Hardware probably isn't the best explanation
I would have got the s3 if it was quad core. Definitely a buying factor for me that the note 2 is quad.
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Both the Verizon Galaxy S3 and the Razr Maxx HD use the same Qualcomm S4 SoC with the same LTE modem built into it. Not sure why you got different speedtest results but it's probably not because of the hardware. Could possibly be antenna design, but I doubt it.
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That makes sense but that still confuses me how it would be that different. Hopefully the note 2 will be closer to the maxx hd in speeds.
Burned one of two way over due upgrades and aquired the note II for $239 to rty out since ATT had busted my Note I three times on MediaNet
I used it stock for a day and for another day rooted and Rommed (Pegasus kernel/ LiteRom) for another day and I have to say I am glad I kept the International Note (running JB 4.2.1) for now as the jury is out. Here is a list of pros and cons I have discovered comparing my use of the Note 1 for a year
Pros
Much easier to handle. A little goes a long way here
Screen is longer. A little is a little here.
OS is faster comparing both JB OS
I like the notification led
Definitively louder speaker
S Pen operation and implementation better
Hotswap SD card
LTE (although we won't get it here for a year or more)
I have a warranty LOL Never had them with International devices.
Cons
ATT Bloat (mostly removed)
No FM Radio. I knew this but I do use the radio as I am a News/Talk radio junkie and to conserve power and data
No 4.2 support yet Lack of development ( its early yet but the "excitement level for development is not there as it is for the Internationals)
ATT/Yahoo Browser terrible. I actually used the Samsung browser. Welcome back Dolphin!
Costing me $15 more a month for "smartphone" Not sure if the device is worth another $200 a year.
Verdict is clear, Get the N7100 and have the best of both worlds Which is my intent .Going to order one and try it and sell the other two. or wait awhile and see what develops.
I do know this. I have been using international devices since the ATT Captivate and should have learned then not to buy a carrier phone.
I'm actually on the fence about whether to get the att or the international version. I have lte in my area and I'm wondering what the data speed difference would be between the both of them? If there's not much difference them I would choose the international but I have no way of testing. What do you think the speeds are?
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Here's an idea of the difference in speeds between HSDPA and LTE.
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I juggled both as well and opted for the lte. I got great coverage here and got spoiled by it over the international one. Both pretty are the same to me as in features and some how I get better battery life with my att one than the international one.
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Wow can't do the international version if its that much of a difference. I get almost 25mbps of lte in my area. Att version it is. Thanks fellas!
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It should at least fall back to 4g anyway if you're not in an lte area anyway.
my 2 cents: i had the same delima when i first ordered my GN2. got it and returned it after one day (thought is was too big) only to win a new GN2 (att version) at a company event. (actually had my choice of a One X/GS3/GN2). nonetheless, i prefer the at&t version for LTE (when needed) and warranty. i'm not a flash-aholic so i'm not sure what i'm missing (yet) with the current crop of custom ROMS; this thing is fluid and fast and, battery life has been very good. i'm using my GN2 mainly for work. personal preference aside, you can't go wrong with either version.