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[Q] at&t or verizon on san francisco

Hi, i've just moved to san francisco recently and i wanna get a new phone with contract. I know nexus is the best right now but which model should i choose? And i wont be buying an unlocked gsm gnex.
Will thank every post with useful opinions!
Thanks

I believe it was Tech TV, but when the iPhone 4 first came out for Verizon, they did a side-by-side comparison of the AT&T model & the Verizon model in San Francisco. They went to various locations around San Francisco testing signal strength, web page load times, uploads/downloads, etc and I recall that all but 1 of the tests came out as Verizon being the winner.
As far as the Galaxy Nexus goes, obviously, you can acquire it for either service. The plus with Verizon is you get 32GB rather then 16GB, although the battery drain is faster(with LTE on) and I believe Verizon's plans are still the most expensive also. Personally, I'm only on Verizon because I've got the no-longer-offered 'unlimited data' otherwise I'd say bye and go to AT&T or T-Mobile. I kinda miss having a GSM phone due to the ease in phone swapping + worldwide functionality(switching to other providers).

voxigenboy said:
I believe it was Tech TV, but when the iPhone 4 first came out for Verizon, they did a side-by-side comparison of the AT&T model & the Verizon model in San Francisco. They went to various locations around San Francisco testing signal strength, web page load times, uploads/downloads, etc and I recall that all but 1 of the tests came out as Verizon being the winner.
As far as the Galaxy Nexus goes, obviously, you can acquire it for either service. The plus with Verizon is you get 32GB rather then 16GB, although the battery drain is faster(with LTE on) and I believe Verizon's plans are still the most expensive also. Personally, I'm only on Verizon because I've got the no-longer-offered 'unlimited data' otherwise I'd say bye and go to AT&T or T-Mobile. I kinda miss having a GSM phone due to the ease in phone swapping + worldwide functionality(switching to other providers).
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So verizon lte is faster? And if i go to another country with a verizon locked gnex i cant use my gnex? That sucks. Now im more confused.

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I have vzw and it works heat for me. art just hot a signal boots in ad a few months ago but VZW is still faster
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craze96 said:
Hi, i've just moved to san francisco recently and i wanna get a new phone with contract. I know nexus is the best right now but which model should i choose? And i wont be buying an unlocked gsm gnex.
Thanks
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Confused ... You are saying you won't be buying an unlocked gsm nexus and asking whether att or Verizon? Currently the nexus is available only on Verizon. If you want att, you have to buy the unlocked gsm gnex and you have no other option.
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kirdroid said:
Confused ... You are saying you won't be buying an unlocked gsm nexus and asking whether att or Verizon? Currently the nexus is available only on Verizon. If you want att, you have to buy the unlocked gsm gnex and you have no other option.
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Ill wait till it comes to atnt... Anyone can answer my question above?

Oh 1 more thing i love developing my phone (rooting, flashing n etc,) so which one should be best? I really in need a response. Ill thank every useful posts

National coverage and network: Verizon is the best. I'm happy with AT&T since it has decent coverage in major metros and I can tolerate a dropped call here and there. So if your job depend on phone calls and need network everywhere you go, Verizon is better.
International usage: ATT since you can easily swap sim cards. Some Verizon phones are world phones but I believe nexus is not.
Data speeds: nexus is lte on Verizon so it has faster data speeds compared to gsm model. Generally Verizon lte has much better coverage than att. Att just got started on lte. But att hspa speeds are more than enough. I easily get anywhere between 3 - 5 Mbps average speeds on att which is more than enough for me.
Phone choices: I love the fact that I can import unlocked phones and just pop a sim to get it working on att. But if you only buy contract phones then both network has good phone options.
Also on modding with nexus no issues, otherwise both network force manufacturers to lock bootloader. But nowadays it has gotten better with manufacturers providing option to unlock bootloaders after the device is released in a few weeks.
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kirdroid said:
National coverage and network: Verizon is the best. I'm happy with AT&T since it has decent coverage in major metros and I can tolerate a dropped call here and there. So if your job depend on phone calls and need network everywhere you go, Verizon is better.
International usage: ATT since you can easily swap sim cards. Some Verizon phones are world phones but I believe nexus is not.
Data speeds: nexus is lte on Verizon so it has faster data speeds compared to gsm model. Generally Verizon lte has much better coverage than att. Att just got started on lte. But att hspa speeds are more than enough. I easily get anywhere between 3 - 5 Mbps average speeds on att which is more than enough for me.
Phone choices: I love the fact that I can import unlocked phones and just pop a sim to get it working on att. But if you only buy contract phones then both network has good phone options.
Also on modding with nexus no issues, otherwise both network force manufacturers to lock bootloader. But nowadays it has gotten better with manufacturers providing option to unlock bootloaders after the device is released in a few weeks.
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Thanks for the lengthy response i wanna get the at&t coz its cheaper. Also i dont often call or need an internet that fast that but i think i need to wait 2 more months to have it with contract. About the modding, is one faster than the other?

I am thinking of getting the verizon right now. Anymore inputs?

verizon has double data right now so I would jump on it quick
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An entire forum of developers and not one comment about ATT in SF? Amazing!!
TO the OP, other than the above comment regarding National Coverage (verizon is better), which is true, let me speak specifically to SF:
DO NOT get ATT! The network is embarrassing bad in SF, and while I have been outside of SF for about a year now, I am sure others can speak to this. TO be fair, when I left they were investing a few million to patch it up but I am not sure where that was left. I had to move to Verizon for this simple reason alone. There was a reason it was so bad. All the Iphone users during commute hours and the network was not up to par. Lots of anger....
Verizon was great once i switched.

mattwill1 said:
An entire forum of developers and not one comment about ATT in SF? Amazing!!
TO the OP, other than the above comment regarding National Coverage (verizon is better), which is true, let me speak specifically to SF:
DO NOT get ATT! The network is embarrassing bad in SF, and while I have been outside of SF for about a year now, I am sure others can speak to this. TO be fair, when I left they were investing a few million to patch it up but I am not sure where that was left. I had to move to Verizon for this simple reason alone. There was a reason it was so bad. All the Iphone users during commute hours and the network was not up to par. Lots of anger....
Verizon was great once i switched.
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Im officially getting a verizon nexus when they are open. There is only 1 thing that im concered about. I am here for college and ill return back to my country for a couple of months on summer break. But its ok i think... Ill use my dhd in there thx for the responses guys!

Kryptonian_Knight said:
verizon has double data right now so I would jump on it quick
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I know about that offer. Thanks for answering though

mattwill1 said:
An entire forum of developers and not one comment about ATT in SF? Amazing!!
TO the OP, other than the above comment regarding National Coverage (verizon is better), which is true, let me speak specifically to SF:
DO NOT get ATT! The network is embarrassing bad in SF, and while I have been outside of SF for about a year now, I am sure others can speak to this. TO be fair, when I left they were investing a few million to patch it up but I am not sure where that was left. I had to move to Verizon for this simple reason alone. There was a reason it was so bad. All the Iphone users during commute hours and the network was not up to par. Lots of anger....
Verizon was great once i switched.
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I was surprised as well and yes you are right AT&T service is terrible in San Francisco.
I had AT&T since the first iPhone and just recently switched. AT&T was great at home and where I work but was simply infuriating when I would be in the city.
There are still some low speed areas on Verizon in SF but I have had much better luck.

Cnet covered this and did a video on it
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-20030274-233.html
Verizon is better

[Q] [Vote] Should I buy the US or international Note 2?

So I listed my Note 2 i717 on craiglist and someone offered me 600$ for it. I'm considering selling it and buying an international note 2. However I'd lose my LTE capability and it's not easy to blow 700 on a new toy. Or should I wait for the US note 2 and get it on contract for the rumored 199? That would give me LTE but degrade my battery life. You guys know the differences obviously. If I wait though and try to sell my note I'm not sure I'd be able to get the same kind of money as I can now. What do you guys think I should do?

someone offered you $600 for your 1st gen at&t note??? take it and don't look back.
i would assume that samsung would give you the ability to turn off 4G.
mazdamiata210 said:
So I listed my Note 2 i717 on craiglist and someone offered me 600$ for it. I'm considering selling it and buying an international note 2. However I'd lose my LTE capability and it's not easy to blow 700 on a new toy. Or should I wait for the US note 2 and get it on contract for the rumored 199? That would give me LTE but degrade my battery life. You guys know the differences obviously. If I wait though and try to sell my note I'm not sure I'd be able to get the same kind of money as I can now. What do you guys think I should do?
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Yea if someone wants to buy your N1 for what an N2 cost go for it!
could allways just hold on to the money for awile and see if the LTE is coming soon.
what are you doing on your phone.. really need LTE?

Well the thing is the buyer is from over an hour away and as much as I would love to go sell it to him the price of gas and tolls would have to be taken into consideration. I don't use LTE since it's not even in my town yet and I'd prefer to have the better battery life so that's why I'm leaning more towards the international note.

Sounds like a scam to me.
You can get a brand new Note 1 for $500 + tax at neweggs. Unlocked.

coolxal said:
Sounds like a scam to me.
You can get a brand new Note 1 for $500 + tax at neweggs. Unlocked.
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I got alot of accessories with it.... Clearplex, 15+ cases all different colors, extra samsung battery, 2 amp charger, charging wire, dock, and a second battery cover.

It's kinda your call bro. But I'm pretty sure if you don't have lte in your area it won't drain the battery any faster. You can even turn lte off to make sure it doesn't even try to scan for it. As far as craigslist I'd be careful and meet them somewhere decently public to avoid getting robbed or something it sounds almost like a too good to be true deal even with all your extras. So tell them to meet you some place relatively public then gauge how they respond and act accordingly.
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Clienterror said:
It's kinda your call bro. But I'm pretty sure if you don't have lte in your area it won't drain the battery any faster. You can even turn lte off to make sure it doesn't even try to scan for it. As far as craigslist I'd be careful and meet them somewhere decently public to avoid getting robbed or something it sounds almost like a too good to be true deal even with all your extras. So tell them to meet you some place relatively public then gauge how they respond and act accordingly.
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It still has the LTE chip in it so of course it's going to use more battery then the international version. I wish I had the option on my phone to disable LTE but it doesn't work. The toggle is there for 2g networks only but it doesn't do anything. I know it sounds too good to be true but the guy just text me again about 20 minutes ago asking if I got it unlocked yet. I always meet in a public place, I'm not stupid and I bring 3 guys with me just in case. You never know.

mazdamiata210 said:
It still has the LTE chip in it so of course it's going to use more battery then the international version.
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... No.
Just sell your old Note, wait for the AT&T Note 2 release.

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So the AT&T note 2 doesn't have an LTE chip it in? It magically gets LTE signal and the international one doesn't is what you're saying?

what he's saying is: no, having the LTE chip in the phone does -not- automatically mean more battery drain. sorry but i don't know why you are having trouble with that concept..
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So the AT&T note 2 doesn't have an LTE chip it in? It magically gets LTE signal and the international one doesn't is what you're saying?
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mobilebuddha said:
what he's saying is: no, having the LTE chip in the phone does -not- automatically mean more battery drain. sorry but i don't know why you are having trouble with that concept..
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Of course it does. Compare the battery life on the international s3 to the AT&T one. Look at the professional video reviews of the note 2 from big companies. They all mention how once it gets LTE and comes to the states they aren't sure how much of the battery life will be degraded but it will be some amount.

mazdamiata210 said:
Of course it does. Compare the battery life on the international s3 to the AT&T one. Look at the professional video reviews of the note 2 from big companies. They all mention how once it gets LTE and comes to the states they aren't sure how much of the battery life will be degraded but it will be some amount.
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Not arguing with your statement, even though I would have something to say about it, comparing the "international s3 to the AT&T one" is apples to oranges when referring to one chip being different when it's a completely different soc.

mazdamiata210 said:
Of course it does. Compare the battery life on the international s3 to the AT&T one. Look at the professional video reviews of the note 2 from big companies. They all mention how once it gets LTE and comes to the states they aren't sure how much of the battery life will be degraded but it will be some amount.
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My interpretation of those reviews is that using LTE will decrease battery life. Disabling LTE will bring it right back to what international models are seeing. I think this is what the other forum member was referring to.
Daniel

dachness said:
My interpretation of those reviews is that using LTE will decrease battery life. Disabling LTE will bring it right back to what international models are seeing. I think this is what the other forum member was referring to.
Daniel
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You can't turn off LTE on any US Samsung phone. I'm running a custom rom and the option is there but it does nothing.
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mazdamiata210 said:
You can't turn off LTE on any US Samsung phone. I'm running a custom rom and the option is there but it does nothing.
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Really? I'm on a Verizon s3 with a cm10 rom and it's in settings- more - mobile networks - network mode. Or you can just toggle it off with a 3rd party app. Or you can type in the dial pad to get to the service menu (I forget the number). Or download the app "phone info" from the market. Turning off LTE is the same as your WiFi, Bluetooth, or NFC it can be turned off to save power.
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Really? I'm on a Verizon s3 with a cm10 rom and it's in settings- more - mobile networks - network mode. Or you can just toggle it off with a 3rd party app. Or you can type in the dial pad to get to the service menu (I forget the number). Or download the app "phone info" from the market. Turning off LTE is the same as your WiFi, Bluetooth, or NFC it can be turned off to save power.
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I should have said any AT&T phone. The option is there but it does nothing.
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mazdamiata210 said:
I should have said any AT&T phone. The option is there but it does nothing.
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Yep, more than likely AT&T will not allow you the choice to disable LTE. If you are connected to LTE, your battery life will suffer.
If you don't mind losing LTE speeds then go for it. Also, you never know if the US version is going to have a locked bootloader or what other stupid things US carriers do to their devices. Also, dev support is already great on the N7100. You'll get updates a ton faster. I received my device on Monday and couldn't be happier. All I can say is I'm glad I didn't wait for AT&T release theirs.

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Yep, more than likely AT&T will not allow you the choice to disable LTE. If you are connected to LTE, your battery life will suffer.
If you don't mind losing LTE speeds then go for it. Also, you never know if the US version is going to have a locked bootloader or what other stupid things US carriers do to their devices. Also, dev support is already great on the N7100. You'll get updates a ton faster. I received my device on Monday and couldn't be happier. All I can say is I'm glad I didn't wait for AT&T release theirs.
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Do you experience fast dormancy using the international note 2 on at&t?

americasteam said:
Yep, more than likely AT&T will not allow you the choice to disable LTE. If you are connected to LTE, your battery life will suffer.
If you don't mind losing LTE speeds then go for it. Also, you never know if the US version is going to have a locked bootloader or what other stupid things US carriers do to their devices. Also, dev support is already great on the N7100. You'll get updates a ton faster. I received my device on Monday and couldn't be happier. All I can say is I'm glad I didn't wait for AT&T release theirs.
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See, I agree with you totally when it comes to the community dev support. Personally, I haven't yet been spoiled by LTE, so I suppose ignorance is bliss so far. However, this does bring up a point that I have been trying to shout from the rooftops in this forum, and not many people seem to understand what I'm shouting, so here goes again:
The international LTE Note 2 (N7105) does NOT have LTE radios compatible with AT&T's service frequencies.
The AT&T Note 2, supposedly, will be exactly identical to the international N7105 from a hardware standpoint, with the exception of the LTE radio.
Theory:
Considering the vast similarities between the N7105 and the AT&T Note 2, firmware between the two devices should be compatible. Thus, it should be possible to flash the N7105 firmware onto the AT&T Note 2, and then, for LTE functionality, separately flash the modem.bin driver from the AT&T firmware.
This is what people did with the T-Mobile OG Galaxy Tab in order to get Phone calling and 3G functionality.
Perhaps this is the best of all worlds? A pseudo-international Note 2, running unlocked international firmware, while also having the hardware and driver functionality of North American domestic LTE!

T- Mobile Branded Galaxy Note II Compared to N7100 (I bought both Returning T-Mobile)

Hi guys!
Okay so more rather to cater to my burning curiosity of how the T-Mobile Varient would do with HSPA+ 42 and the 1700/2100 I went down this morning grabbed a white version and came home and did some test. And here's what I've found.
#1) The T-Mobile Variant of the Note 2 is Made in CHINA! While the N7100 is made in Korea
#2) The T-Mobile Variant had worse download speeds where I live and testing the HSPA+ speeds in my house resulted in the unlocked N7100 beating it on the 1900mhz band. (Keep in mind I only get HSPA+ On t-Mobile near my house all other are's that were tested I have edge on the N7100 they are still refarming.
#3) So I took it upon myself to see is the T-Mobile branded version actually faster? I drove around for about 10-20 miles stopping in different area's and testing, The highest I've Gotten with it was 15mbps down. However I was not able to compare it to the N7100 in the same exact location because that area is not yet refarmed. However Comparing it side by side the N7100 at home the N7100 had the edge in download speeds which was funny to me.
Besides that fact, the N7100 is fully unlocked and no bs from T-mobile on it and the instant I used the T-Mobile version I wanted the N7100 back. So Moral of the story for me was that is it worth getting the T-Mobile version? If your on the Re farmed network I'd say no get the N7100 instead no bloatware faster updates, Speeds won't vary much, and You can tether devices without rooting!

Good to hear others thinking along these same lines. Guess it really depends on whether tour city is being refarmed.
I live in Memphis, and I've heard rumors that we're getting / already have the 1900 band. Guess I might need to find a good way to test before hand.
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Nyxagamemnon said:
Hi guys!
Okay so more rather to cater to my burning curiosity of how the T-Mobile Varient would do with HSPA+ 42 and the 1700/2100 I went down this morning grabbed a white version and came home and did some test. And here's what I've found.
#1) The T-Mobile Variant of the Note 2 is Made in CHINA! While the N7100 is made in Korea
#2) The T-Mobile Variant had worse download speeds where I live and testing the HSPA+ speeds in my house resulted in the unlocked N7100 beating it on the 1900mhz band. (Keep in mind I only get HSPA+ On t-Mobile near my house all other are's that were tested I have edge on the N7100 they are still refarming.
#3) So I took it upon myself to see is the T-Mobile branded version actually faster? I drove around for about 10-20 miles stopping in different area's and testing, The highest I've Gotten with it was 15mbps down. However I was not able to compare it to the N7100 in the same exact location because that area is not yet refarmed. However Comparing it side by side the N7100 at home the N7100 had the edge in download speeds which was funny to me.
Besides that fact, the N7100 is fully unlocked and no bs from T-mobile on it and the instant I used the T-Mobile version I wanted the N7100 back. So Moral of the story for me was that is it worth getting the T-Mobile version? If your on the Re farmed network I'd say no get the N7100 instead no bloatware faster updates, Speeds won't vary much, and You can tether devices without rooting!
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So would you be able to tell me if the T-mo Note and the N7100 are exact the same dimensions/shape. I want to buy a case for the T-mo version but I think all the ones on ebay are for the N7100. Maybe you can switch out battery covers to see if they fit. Thanks!

I too was sitting on the fence on whether to pick the the N7100 or T-mobile's handset. I eventually chose the latter for the following reasons. It may not necessarily apply to everyone. I'm not an engineer so I don't know much about technical details but I am very logical in understanding how things work:
1) Tmo has done a fairly good job on refarming the 1900 band for hspa+ and true enough you will get speeds >10mbps. I previously tested this service on an international SGS2 and international GN1. And that was using a prepaid sim. So clearly international versions of samsung will have hspa+ service IF there is coverage. However as to date, we still have to see consistent and widespread coverage of hspa+ on the 1900 band. Who's to say that by year's end the refarming would have been completed to a satisfactory level as promised by T-mobile? What if coverage would still be practically the same in YOUR area? What if completion simply means additional cities/towns but your area basically has already been refarmed to completion. I feel that will be the case with MY area. It's still really "wait and see" for the refarming project. While with the t-mo variant you get consistent hspa+ ALREADY, NOW and greater coverage simply because they have been designed to work with the existing hspa+ AWS bands of Tmo. 1900 hspa+ is just additional for the Tmo variant.
In my case, I use my home wifi. So that situation negates the 4G coverage comparison between the 2 .
I'm curious as to what your home speed differences were? Was it that significant to outweigh the benefit of more consistent hspa+ coverage outside your home? I understand your mobile tests showed Tmo's variant to be the winner by "default". Meaning N7100 didn't have a chance to even compete. That alone is enough for me to chose Tmo's.
2) N7100 has a 21mbps hspa+ radio. Tmo's variant has a 42mbps radio. Although I am not seeing speeds proportionate to the advertised 42mbps radio in my area. I believe some folks around the US have demonstrated 20-30mbps on Tmo's network. Just scourge the net for those blogs and anecdotes. Obviously the 42mbps radio is required for those speeds. I guess it will all depend on the location and if 42mbps hspa+ is enforced on the surrounding towers.
3) re: bloatware - They don't bother me much. However for the tinkerers out there, this may be a deal breaker. But I am certain there is always a way around this for the advanced users.
4) N7100 doesn't have an LTE radio. Tmo's variant potential has this feature. That adds a little future proofing value to it. Check engadget's latest review of Tmo's variant. To quote:
"Also, according to the T889's FCC application, the device includes support for LTE bands 4 (AWS) and 17, though this particular set of radios is currently locked on T-Mobile. We're hoping the AWS LTE band will be enabled for us as soon as the network is ready to push ahead with its next-gen technology, but we haven't heard any official word from Magenta about this. Regardless of what happens, we wouldn't put it past hackers Android programming aficionados to come up with a way of taking advantage of this."
Regardless, by the time LTE would be fully and satisfactorily enforced, we all would have probably moved on to another device.

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So would you be able to tell me if the T-mo Note and the N7100 are exact the same dimensions/shape. I want to buy a case for the T-mo version but I think all the ones on ebay are for the N7100. Maybe you can switch out battery covers to see if they fit. Thanks!
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They are the same damn phone except for the International version is made in Korean (says on label) and the U.S. variants are made in China (again, on the label) but the specs are the same as far as the meat and bones and the accessories will all work together just like the Galaxy S 3.... I have both a T-mobile (which I picked up today) Titanium color and An International Note in white and my T-mobile is performing a tad quicker as far as benchmarks but that really does not mean much... As far as where it's made.... I, personally, don't care cause they are both the same phone and qc for Samsung (in general) is the same across the board. I almost want to keep the T-mobile AND the International but I don't know if my budget will like that although I did get the International N7100 for $589.99 plus $12.00 back in ebay bucks so I can't complain on the price! The T-mobile was $688.00 OTD when I purchased it today but the HUGE difference is that the T-mobile will work on HSPA+ networks with both T-mobile and AT&T (if unlocked) and the International is edge on T-mobile(nothin you can do)... So I have more options as far as Pre-paid services and I can obtain insurance or a warranty without a problem in the US with the T-mobile version also... Another big plus! The International version is nice because it has hardly any bloat and it gets updates quickly! Who knows when we will see multitasking on the T-mobile version although they aren't as bad as some networks for updates... My opinions on the two versions....
EDIT: What he said above.... LOL He beat me to it! **I also notice on the T-mobile version that when you go to the dialer and press *#0*# there are more test options....??**

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Quick comment - checked back of my phone and it says made in Korea . My model jumber is SGH-T889v. Thanks!

Aren't the white ones made in Korea?

Kawaisa - I have the titanium grey - the SGH-T889v I have is the Canadian variant.

That's one way to look at it I guess. If you get 1900 Mhz at your house and don't want to use your wifi, ok. I would take the Tmo version with wifi calling app and HSPA+42 radio with next years LTE bands built in and just run a debloated stock rom when they start popping up here (or pull your own bloat out using TB). I got one today at Tmo, rooted it, uninstalled a bunch of garbage, and am really happy with the device. The only thing I "want" is the TV animation when shutting the screen off lol. Oh, and I don't like the boot audio either of the SGH-T889, but that will change in a week or so when ROM's start getting released To each there own, although I'd bet the N7100 will get superior dev support...

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Aren't the white ones made in Korea?
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I would like to know too. Does anyone have the White US version and where it was made?

I have the white where i can check that
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AndroidNoober said:
I have the white where i can check that
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Behind the phone, under the battery in the back. Thanks.

Tmo white note 2 is Made in china
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I'm going to receive my T-Mobile Note2 in a few days and I chose it pretty much for the same reasons as what had already been stated.
I am not based in the US..but I'm based in the Philippines and will just unlock my Note2. I got it through Wirefly so the price difference really did sway me to get it over the international variant. I also like that it is LTE capable so at least it's future proof somehow.
I am very capable of tinkering with phones so I can easily get rid of bloat and such.
My main concern is the amount of dev support this would be getting. I would imagine that due to the similar hardware, porting ROMs meant for international version would be relatively easy.
I'm wondering though if I could just flash an international based ROM straight away since I don't intend to use this with TMO anyway so I can live without sms/call/data of TMO as long as it can still somehow work with my international SIM and the phone still fully function.. I don't want to wait for updates via carrier.

I've read several of you are talking about uninstalling bloatware, wouldn't this hinder in the OTA update process (we should get one soon for the multi-window feature) whenever it gets pushed out. I thought it was best to disable or freeze the apps through TB rather than uninstalling it, could someone clarify that for me?
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GN2 TMo on ATT with 3G speeds?
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They are the same damn phone except for the International version is made in Korean (says on label) and the U.S. variants are made in China (again, on the label) but the specs are the same as far as the meat and bones and the accessories will all work together just like the Galaxy S 3.... I have both a T-mobile (which I picked up today) Titanium color and An International Note in white and my T-mobile is performing a tad quicker as far as benchmarks but that really does not mean much... As far as where it's made.... I, personally, don't care cause they are both the same phone and qc for Samsung (in general) is the same across the board. I almost want to keep the T-mobile AND the International but I don't know if my budget will like that although I did get the International N7100 for $589.99 plus $12.00 back in ebay bucks so I can't complain on the price! The T-mobile was $688.00 OTD when I purchased it today but the HUGE difference is that the T-mobile will work on HSPA+ networks with both T-mobile and AT&T (if unlocked) and the International is edge on T-mobile(nothin you can do)... So I have more options as far as Pre-paid services and I can obtain insurance or a warranty without a problem in the US with the T-mobile version also... Another big plus! The International version is nice because it has hardly any bloat and it gets updates quickly! Who knows when we will see multitasking on the T-mobile version although they aren't as bad as some networks for updates... My opinions on the two versions....
EDIT: What he said above.... LOL He beat me to it! **I also notice on the T-mobile version that when you go to the dialer and press *#0*# there are more test options....??**
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Besides unlocking a TMo note 2, did you have to do anything else to make it work on 3G on ATT? Did you actually test that it would work on ATT 3G or this is just a guess based on specs?

dont be mad now that the cat is out of the bag that tmobile galaxy note 2 has LTE

RE: Bloatware
its called root and titanium backup if you want the Tmo version and no bloatware. root is achievable on the Tmo Note 2, along w/CWM. i am sticking w/the stock rom since i plan to use S-Pen quite a bit. we'll see as the weeks go by and roms start to appear.
i went the tmo vs international due to that 1900 isn't in my area yet and won't be until end of year and our version as prev noted does have the LTE hardware and cheaper than importing an unlocked phone. has anyone noticed VERY slow A-GPS lockons when in doors? my gnex was freakin instant indoors.

Can anyone else post what color they have and where it was Made?
I was reading that the international ones have Made in Korea, Made in China, and Made by Samsung.
Thanks.

ANY ATT users sorry they did not get the ATT version?

I aquired the ATT version and sold it because
1. We don't; have LTE and won't for another upgrade
2. I like the lower battery and data consumption of the FM Radio
3.We share 1GB data on legitimate Family share plan with one International "(dumbphone SGS II i9100) and my International Note I declared as a smart phone to get the family share plan. (cannot get that UL messaging Talk shared data plan with two "Feature phones" I am using the APN that came with the ATT version I upgraded for and sold on my Note.
4. The development community is huge already and FW udates are realesed there first. I am already running XXLA on my Note 1.
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tbong777 said:
I aquired the ATT version and sold it because
1. We don't; have LTE and won't for another upgrade
2. I like the lower battery and data consumption of the FM Radio
3.We share 1GB data on legitimate Family share plan with one International "(dumbphone SGS II i9100) and my International Note I declared as a smart phone to get the family share plan. (cannot get that UL messaging Talk shared data plan with two "Feature phones" I am using the APN that came with the ATT version I upgraded for and sold on my Note.
4. The development community is huge already and FW udates are realesed there first. I am already running XXLA on my Note 1.
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1. I live 30 min from ATT headquarters. LTE blows hspa+ outta the water.
2. I get 6+ hours screen time and 2 days off charger on my lte note.
3. Upgrade your data plan.
4. Development? Its not hard to learn and teach yourself. You will notice nothing between 4.1.1 and 4.1.2, except some settings moved around.
5. 7100 ROMs work on the att note.

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1. I live 30 min from ATT headquarters. LTE blows hspa+ outta the water.
2. I get 6+ hours screen time and 2 days off charger on my lte note.
3. Upgrade your data plan.
4. Development? Its not hard to learn and teach yourself. You will notice nothing between 4.1.1 and 4.1.2, except some settings moved around.
5. 7100 ROMs work on the att note.
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I "get it" You love the ATT version and you develop your own ROMs however I am asking people on ATT using an International device in an International forum who do not develop ROMs if they would have preferred the ATT version now and why. Not who already has the ATT version and loves it. That said it seems seems no one on ATT is unhappy with their N7100.
I Don't need to use much data with the FM Radio. Why pay for something I am getting free or worse I won't use? $115 a month for two smart phones is a bargain. .Another $300+ a year for 4GB of unused data not so much....
Regarding LTE speeds, we all know the frustration of downloading a 700mb ROM on 'high speed" cable at 100kb a second despite our measured 15mps download benchmark speeds on Speednet. LOL
3G+ is plenty fast enough for most web browsing which is ultimately dependent on the web site. LTE looks great on speed tests, on paper, and may save a few minutes here and there downloading and may be very nice for someone who does not have another form of Internet source most of the time. But a few extra seconds of page loading won;t make a whole lot of difference on a mobile device as long as video and music streams seamlessly.
I don't have the time and especially the inclination to learn how to develop code for these devices, I'd rather have a choice of using another's passionate work with the shared results of their hobby.
Those of us without LTE for another year or so don't need the ATT badged phone. I had it. I tried it. I flashed a Rom on it. I sold it cheap .I am holding out for a great deal on a 7100 because I have the ROM already and can wait another $100 or so for the rest of the Note 2 goodies.

I am very happy with my international N2 on AT&T. My 3g speeds average 6-7. There is not LTE where I live, nor will there be for a good while. I have no real concerns about having LTE on my phone with limited data...

I'm fine with the International version. No regrets.

No regrets here. LTE is a long way off where I live. HSPA+ is plenty fast enough.

Thanks guys. I did the right thing. Now I wait for a better price while I rock XXLSA on the N7000
What APNs are you using? Cingular wap or ATT Phone?. I l am on using the Shared data plan I upgraded for with the option of switching back to the MediaNet UL data plan.

I'm using AT&T PTA. I get 6-8 down on average. With wap cingular I only get 3-5 down.

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I'm using AT&T PTA. I get 6-8 down on average. With wap cingular I only get 3-5 down.
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Thanks Good news I am glad I got the new SIM then and provisioned for a smart phone.

I have no regrets. I have the peace of mind knowing that AT&T hasn't tampered with my device in any way in order to monitor activities and/or limit features that are present to me out-of-the box. As for LTE, it's pointless to me the way things are right now. I mean, what need have I for a connection rivaling my home internet speeds, when I'm faced with overages or throttling? HSPA+ is plenty for me.

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I have no regrets. I have the peace of mind knowing that AT&T hasn't tampered with my device in any way in order to monitor activities and/or limit features that are present to me out-of-the box. As for LTE, it's pointless to me the way things are right now. I mean, what need have I for a connection rivaling my home internet speeds, when I'm faced with overages or throttling? HSPA+ is plenty for me.
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I just ordered on on Newegg for $599 shipped.... I agree with LTE. I have high speed internet here at home and downloading 700MB ROM files at 100KB/sec reminds me LTE is not all that. Websites determine speeds more than the carrier. The only clear advantage to LTE is when downloading or uploading large files otherwise web pages load in seconds on 3G rather than instantly. Not bad.
I put my phone up next to a Verizon SIII and compared my MediaNet 3g with their LTE. Thier's was faster by a few seconds in some cases and not even by one second in others.

can't you just disable the LTE radio (to save battery or if your area doesn't have LTE), or does that disable data/service entirely?

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can't you just disable the LTE radio (to save battery or if your area doesn't have LTE), or does that disable data/service entirely?
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I bought the International version of the Note 2 and coming from the Note 1 AT&T LTE the battery life is not even close. The note 2 gives me well over 10hrs of heavy screen-on set to auto+high, net surfing over HSPA+. I could not get 1/2 that on my LTE Note 1.
As far as disabling LTE... For my wife, coming from the Skyrocket there was an APN that would disable LTE, however the radio was still there so the battery life was not helped as much as turning it off would have been. Trully turning it "off" on the Skyrocket was not an option. For her I opted to get her the T-Mobile Note2 and unlock it and she is running on AT&T HSPA+ as well with great results.
Bottomline: Getting between 8-9000kpbs is plenty fine with me, especially if it gives me even a fraction of extra battery
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I bought the International version of the Note 2 and coming from the Note 1 AT&T LTE the battery life is not even close. The note 2 gives me well over 10hrs of heavy screen-on set to auto+high, net surfing over HSPA+. I could not get 1/2 that on my LTE Note 1.
As far as disabling LTE... For my wife, coming from the Skyrocket there was an APN that would disable LTE, however the radio was still there so the battery life was not helped as much as turning it off would have been. Trully turning it "off" on the Skyrocket was not an option. For her I opted to get her the T-Mobile Note2 and unlock it and she is running on AT&T HSPA+ as well with great results.
Bootomline: Getting between 8-9000kpbs is plenty fine with me, especially if it gives me even a fraction of extra battery
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Yeah I thought that might be the case. Mine is on the way from NewEgg. I tried the ATT version but I am too used to a vanilla Samsung device. I actually like Samsung without the ATT stuff (although I don;t use TW. ) I tried the CM and AKOP stuff but too much flashing going on and samsung does not release drivers so FM didn't work without a $10 app and the S Pen stuff was wonky. .
The stock custom roms always were my choice. I would find one development team and stick with them. DesignGears on the Cappy, CheckRom on the i9100, Eybee, N7000 and looks like Omega will be my choice with the Note II

No point activating 4G on n7100?

Hello guys/ladies
basically i got a phone call from orange a bit earlier and even though i payed for my phone pay as you go with no contract, I'm currently on their EE network and they said i can activate 4G now for free i haven't got the n7105 so that is the only note 2 with 4G?, And if anything shall i buy a new note 2 or change network i heard 3 have very good speeds but this note 2 is really fast and smooth

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Hello guys/ladies
basically i got a phone call from orange a bit earlier and even though i payed for my phone pay as you go with no contract, I'm currently on their EE network and they said i can activate 4G now for free i haven't got the n7105 so that is the only note 2 with 4G?, And if anything shall i buy a new note 2 or change network i heard 3 have very good speeds but this note 2 is really fast and smooth
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My opinion is that EE are ramming 4G down everyone's throats on the hard sale. When really, upon investigation, Three have the best data network. With speeds of 8Mbs on their super fast HSDPA+ , you'd be a bit crazy to spend a ridiculous amount of money on LIMITED 4G data. The UK are unfortunately falling behind with this so although you may find LTE being talked about on forums a lot, it will probably come from the Americans who have a good solid LTE network.

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upon investigation, Three have the best data network. With speeds of 8Mbs on their super fast HSDPA+ , you'd be a bit crazy to spend a ridiculous amount of money on LIMITED 4G data.
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They're also upgrading to dc-hsdpa, however the n7100 can't take advantage of this (dunno what samsung was thinking) whereas the n7105 can. Also it's worth noting that unless 3 have updated their stock since I got my note 2 from them, they only carry the n7100 so you can't take advantage of the higher speeds even if you get your note 2 from them.
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