I just bought a Samsung Captivate Glide from Ebay. Took my AT&T SIM card out of my Rhodium and put it into the SCG, but the data isn't working (just able to make calls).
My Rhodium's SIM is blue and has '3G' printed on it. As the SCG is a 4G device, can it simply be that my SIM needs to be upgraded to a 4G card (is there a difference)? Or can I assume that there is something either wrong with my data connection settings or with the phone itself? Results of my searches keep bringing up a mixed bag of device reviews, how to buy the device or a SIM, etc., so I'm hoping that someone here has some knowledge of this.
Most of the ROMs that I've used for my Rhodium have used carrier provisioning cabs in their ROMs, so I do not know what those settings are to check to see if they are correct in the SCG. I was told that the SCG is NOT unlocked, but that doesn't mean that my settings couldn't use a little tweaking.
Also, in case it matters, I am using the old unlimited $15 'dumb' phone internet for my Rhodium. Could this really be the culprit? Will I have to change my Internet service to the much more expensive 'smart' phone plans in order to use data on my SCG?
If I come across my answer in further searching, I'll update this post to benefit others.
Thanks, everyone!
Debbie
You'll need to either call AT&T support or visit a store. They will need to make some modifications to your account in order for your 3G SIM card to work with AT&T's HSPA+ "4G" frequency. I had the same issue when I got my SCG. I was using an HTC Status, and when I switched the SIM card into the new phone, I was able to only make and receive phone calls. I went to the store and explained the situation, and the guy fixed it for me in 2 minutes.
I originally thought when I first read your post that you were on the unlimited data plan ($30/month), but I see you're on the $15 "dumb" plan. As a result, you'll most likely need to update your data plan to one of their offerings in order to get 4G network connectivity.
as far as the sim card i have no idea but if ur old phone wasnt a "smartphone" then yes u wil prolly have to upgrade to a high data package is why ur data is not working. they have that added internet crap becuz its a 4G even though half their customers dont have it
Thanks for your responses. I suspected that it may be a SIM card version/set-up issue.
My current phone (HTC Tilt 2, aka Rhodium) is 3G, which runs Windows Mobile 6.X, but the "dumb phone" Internet plan works. It's been working beautifully for a few years now and I am not about to tip off AT&T to my 'smart phone usage' on a 'dumb phone plan' by complaining that I don't have Internet access on the SCG, so I guess that I'll be restarting my device research again (this sucks! ) and seeking out a 3G Android GSM carrier unlocked phone with a keyboard (MUST!) as my next phone. Jeez, what a waste of time and money.
Well... I guess I got a used, mint condition Samsung Captivate Glide (with extra accessories) to put up for sale then. I am *SO* not willing to double or triple my current cellular costs just to use a 'kind of' 4G phone here in NYC. I have a used LG Quantum (Windows Phone, which I don't think is 4G) that my SIM does work in, but I will probably need to get rid of that, too, if Microsoft doesn't bring USB syncing back in their major upcoming Apollo release (can't sync OTA from work).
ARGH... But your responses are indeed much appreciated.
Debbie
To be honest, I'm surprised that AT&T hasn't caught onto the fact that you're using a "dumb" plan with your existing smartphone. It's possible that your older WinMo device isn't registering with AT&T as being a smartphone that requires a data plan for whatever reason, or that you're using an incredibly low amount of data per month that they are simply not bothering to detect your usage.
I can almost guarantee you that, whether you decide to stay with the SCG or try to get another newer unlocked 3G GSM Android phone with keyboard (like the Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro, for example), AT&T will eventually realize that you're using a smartphone and will upgrade you to one of their data plans. They are now using deep packet analysis to better gauge the use on their network. Modern Android phones, by their very nature, transmit and send much more data than older devices (e.g., background syncing, advertisements in apps, etc.), so it's unlikely that you'll be able to stay under AT&T's radar for much longer.
I've been on dumbphone 3g for 3 years using non att smartphones. As long as you don't get an ATT branded device, and it has a usable frequency you are golden
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I'm actually looking at an unlocked HTC Desire Z right now. Always loved HTC's hardware quality and I'm not that fussed about utilizing 4g anyway, so this is an acceptable upgrade for me (by my standards anyway). As the SCG is 4G, which all of the new phones seem to be, I can't use my MediaNet SIM on it anyway, hence the SCG not working out for me, so it's a moot point really.
I mainly just use my Rhodium's data for email, Facebook, and some web surfing. I've never downloaded music, videos, games, tethered, or synced OTA, so I guess my usage hasn't been flagged in their system. Been on this data service since I got my Kaiser about 4 years ago. I don't expect it to last forever, of course, but would like it to for as long as possible.
Thanks for the input, everyone. As always here, no matter how much reading I do on my own, I always manage to learn something new by participating with all of you.
Hey, anyone need a spare mint SCG? LOL!
Thanks again!
Debbie
Haven't u already made a thread of this?
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No...
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Haven't u already made a thread of this?
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This was based on questions that I had regarding the SCG's connectivity, but thanks for playing.
Debbie
DebbieNY13 said:
Well... I guess I got a used, mint condition Samsung Captivate Glide (with extra accessories) to put up for sale then.
Debbie
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Debbie
What kind of extra accessories are we talking? Any chance one of them is a case that doesn't suck, or an extended battery? I'd be very interested in one of those...
Thanks
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Debbie
What kind of extra accessories are we talking? Any chance one of them is a case that doesn't suck, or an extended battery? I'd be very interested in one of those...
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L4T
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Debbie, if you are still selling ... I sent you a PM a couple of minues ago.
Debbie did you try adding a different apn
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Name: ATT
APN: wap.cingular
Proxy: Not Set
Username:*[email protected]
Password: Not Set
Server: Not Set
MMSC:*http://mmsc.cingular.com
MMS Proxy: wireless.cingular.com
MMS Port: 80
MMS Protocol: 2.0
MCC: 310
MNC: 410
Authentication Type: not set
APN Type: mms+internet
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I am contemplating dumping my HTC Fuze and jumping ship from AT&T to T-Mobile just to get a Touch Pro 2, however I just got off the phone with T-Mo customer service and they informed me that you cannot tether the Touch Pro 2 to a laptop or use it as a modem.
Now I am sure the harware supports tethering and this is just something T-Mobile has decided to cripple, but how easy would it be to enable teathering? I hate the idea of paying $350 plus locking into a new contract and losing functionality from my Fuze!
Baloney.
Internet sharing is on the phone and the HTC WiFiRouter works perfectly.
I have tested both.
Thank you for the fast response, and for clearing this up! Once again, knowledge gained from this site continues to impress me!!!
I think what the T-Mobile people were actually getting at is your not supposed to do it.
I think its in the T&C's that if you have a data plan you wont use it through a computer and to watch video etc
(I use it all the time though and they dont enforce it)
You can tether (legitimately) on Total Internet (their old $20 plan) or the new "PDA" plans ($25 and $35, but include messaging.)
You CANNOT (according to the rules) do so on their "phone" plans (Web2Go I think now) but in some cases it will work. They're enforcing this with the TP2 by doing the "automatic add the feature" game based on IMEI, as they have with other smartphones they are selling now (especially the Android ones that won't work at all without it.)
Note that the TP2 has a number of included features (including embedded account management!) that doesn't work right, especially from the browser, if you use the Internet2 or Internet3 APN. You have to use "epc" if you want those to work.
I'm not sure why they'd care about video and such on the TP2 in particular, seeing as it has a Youtube video viewer BUILT IN FROM THE FACTORY in T-Mobile's software load!
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Baloney.
Internet sharing is on the phone and the HTC WiFiRouter works perfectly.
I have tested both.
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Where are you finding this "HTC WiFiRouter"?? (I'm on the T-Mobile version just like you guys)
I don't see it anywhere. I feel like such a newb, lol, even though I'm an ex-cook from my old Wing. So the WiFiRouter thing is pre-installed, right? And it'd let me create a WiFi hotspot for others to connect and use my data? That's what it sounds like.
Am I way off here? Or where the heck is this program? (Welcome everyone)
Search for it here on XDA - its a CAB you have to load.
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Search for it here on XDA - its a CAB you have to load.
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Ok, lol. You made it sound as if it was pre-loaded. I'll find it. Thanks.
T-mobile policy on tethering
Per policy it states that this type of 3g HSPCA device isnt allowed to tether and be used as a modem but the phone says otherwise. Also my theory on the last minute price jump on the tp2 is because tmobile can't stop it from being used as a modem on there smart phone data plans like they have with non rooted android devices. As an employee I researched this heavily before buying the TP2 and its one of the reasons why I went for the device. T-Mobile is so proud of their new 3g network but have made a lot of decisions to try and limit bandwidth consumption like removing push internet from the device. But anyway it should work. My disclaimer is that policy changes constantly at T-Mobile so this may not always be so.
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Per policy it states that this type of 3g HSPCA device isnt allowed to tether and be used as a modem but the phone says otherwise. Also my theory on the last minute price jump on the tp2 is because tmobile can't stop it from being used as a modem on there smart phone data plans like they have with non rooted android devices. As an employee I researched this heavily before buying the TP2 and its one of the reasons why I went for the device. T-Mobile is so proud of their new 3g network but have made a lot of decisions to try and limit bandwidth consumption like removing push internet from the device. But anyway it should work. My disclaimer is that policy changes constantly at T-Mobile so this may not always be so.
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Lol. Yea, that's probably true. I wish if we could have the push internet, but we'll get that with custom ROM's! Take that T-Mobile!
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I am contemplating dumping my HTC Fuze and jumping ship from AT&T to T-Mobile just to get a Touch Pro 2, however I just got off the phone with T-Mo customer service and they informed me that you cannot tether the Touch Pro 2 to a laptop or use it as a modem.
Now I am sure the harware supports tethering and this is just something T-Mobile has decided to cripple, but how easy would it be to enable teathering? I hate the idea of paying $350 plus locking into a new contract and losing functionality from my Fuze!
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Tethering works. I have a Touch Pro 2 with the stock T-Mobile USA ROM. Despite what the T-Mobile representative says, the stock ROM contains the correct application to do this. Programs --> Internet Sharing.
Plug the Touch Pro 2 into your computer via USB and then hit "Connect". Bam, instant Internet tethering. Works well if you're in a bind.
T-Mobile does states exactly this:
"1. Permissible and Prohibited Uses
Your Data Plan is intended for Web browsing, messaging, and similar activities on your device and not on any other equipment. Unless explicitly permitted by your Data Plan, other uses, including for example, tethering your device to a personal computer or other hardware, are not permitted."
When I logged in to get details of my Data Plan, here is what I found:
"T-Mobile Total Internet
T-Mobile Total Internet includes unlimited Internet access on your phone, along with unlimited Internet access in T-Mobile HotSpot locations. Access your e-mail or browse the Web on your phone, or log on to wireless broadband access from a T-Mobile HotSpot in one of thousands of locations around the world using your Wi-Fi-enabled device."
I'm not inclined to poke this fire with T-Mobile as I have been a customer for a long time and have been nothing but happy with their customer service; and even before a put a cooked ROM on my last phone (wing) it had an internet connection sharing by default (bluetooth or USB only).
i tether on my 2.99 t-zone plan, they never said anything.
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i tether on my 2.99 t-zone plan, they never said anything.
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They won't ever say anything, lol, don't worry. Hell, I downloaded a 139 MB file to my TP2 a few days ago, it's not like they nock on my door, saying, are you the account holder of number ******???
Go ahead and tether all you want. If they do ask you, say you were downloading lots of music or something FROM YOUR PHONE. They can't prove anything.
PS, that's the $5.99 T-Zones, LOL. 2.99 would be incredible!
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Go ahead and tether all you want. If they do ask you, say you were downloading lots of music or something FROM YOUR PHONE. They can't prove anything.
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This is one blind statement if I ever heard one!
Tmobile IS your ISP. Tmobile KNOWS where you go and what you do.
Now, whether they will actually take the time to look through their logs and find out who's been going where, that's a different story.
But don't say they can't prove anything, because they can, and if they want to they will terminate your contract, and charge you the ETF on top.
FYI, I've been with Tmobile since they were VoiceStream. In fact I opened the account in Feb of 2001. Not to mention, at some point during my career I've actually managed the entire wireless account pool for a 150 people office, and most of them were on Tmobile. That should tell you something about my level of knowledge, as well as loyalty.
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PS, that's the $5.99 T-Zones, LOL. 2.99 would be incredible!
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Actually no, his is $2.99. At one point it WAS $2.99; however i have the $5.99 tzones and have used it to tether w/o any issue a few times
Hi, are there any other settings to configure internet sharing in win mobile, can't browse on my PC, but on my phone says it's connected
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Hi, are there any other settings to configure internet sharing in win mobile, can't browse on my PC, but on my phone says it's connected
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Start - Programs - Internet sharing.
LOL
The last post was too funny. Seriously though, T-Mobile has little in the way of "monitoring" what data is being sent to your phone. Its more of the amount thats an issue. T-Mobiles logic is that tethering will burn up bandwidth quicker which makes it more likely to hit the data cap and considering whats going on with ATT and the IPHONE bandwidth issue it makes sense. BUT if you monitor your bandwidth consumption and keep it under 10gb, I would say safer would be under 5gb a month then your not rocking the boat. And even when it hits the cap is throttles down to edge speeds anyway so I cant see an issue in this. Now if you live on tethering 24/7 then ya your gonna be pushing it. Customer care can see your data consumption in the system so just call um up and say hey I am worried I might be going over my data limit, lol they will be like blah i know how important blah blah it is to not go over. Then when they shut up they will say you used only 3gb this month so far so your doing fine blah blah blah. If T-Mobile had something in place to detect you tethering they wouldnt have made google remove the tether app from the market. Open source i guess means its open until you do something we think isnt right? I think its still bunk because what happens when someone hits the cap on there 3g phone. nada. And you would be surprised how under used T-Mobiles 3g network really is depending on the city. Theres some rumor that this was planned since the iphone may be going to other carriers soon. I will leave it at that.
I wonder if anyone has encountered the situation that using Android on Tmobile TP2 messed up the 5.99 Tzone data plan. I tried Android in the past but it seems to mess up the data plan. I will get error message that you phone cannot use this data plan and ask me to upgrade. I have to turn off the phone for a while and restart in WM to be able to use the data plan again.
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TMO might be upset that you're using an Android phone on a non-Android data plan...
Not sure, my carrier (Sprint) couldn't care less - at least I haven't had any issues or complaints from their side, and everything "just works" for me. Might want to contact your provider - I wouldn't tell them what you're doing per se, just that you're getting the error and where is it coming from. If they start asking questions about Android... not sure where that'll take you. Since you're not flashing a ROM, technically I don't think it's against their use policy, but again that's really up to your provider - and possibly the rep you get
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I wonder if anyone has encountered the situation that using Android on Tmobile TP2 messed up the 5.99 Tzone data plan. I tried Android in the past but it seems to mess up the data plan. I will get error message that you phone cannot use this data plan and ask me to upgrade. I have to turn off the phone for a while and restart in WM to be able to use the data plan again.
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You have to change the APN. You're probably set to epc.tmobile.com as your server. You need to change it to internet2.voicestream.com. That's basically how t-mobile determines which plan you have. internet2 is what non "smart phone" devices use. I've been doinking with it constantly. Also, if you upgrade to the recent froyo x, you'll see the "simple" APN. This is set up completely perfect for tmobile users. Set it as your default.
I haven't seen anyone mentioned this in the TP2 Android forum and I thought it is just me. I never think of modifying the apn. Thanks you all for answering by question.
Yep they're catching on apparently, been playing for the last 7 months or so without a problem and now I get redirect to internet and suggested TMo plans for Android use. What the heck, like a persons sucking Tmo dry playing occasionally right (thought I was cheap), like wise bounce back to windows I'm ok light off the droid - done, none of the "switch to's" trip them up, helluva watch dog they got, lol. Fun while it lasted Wifi good, but really need my EMails
Seems to be mixed reviews that some can and some cannot. So what's the deal?
no....the end
Mine will let me but my web browser takes me to a page asking me to sign up for the Tethering service at $14.95/month.
Suppose the answer to the question is technically *yes*
I paid the upgrade for tethering, though I think it is a bit of bait and switch (their literature certainly wasn't clear, and my plan allowed it on my Vibrant with no complaint). But it is too important a function for me not to have. If I were a new customer, I would opt for it as well (unless some other carrier didn't charge extra). Frankly, I don't see why they can't just charge by the gigabyte (why should they care if you are streaming videos to your cell phone or to your PC?), but it seems this is the current convention.
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I paid the upgrade for tethering, though I think it is a bit of bait and switch (their literature certainly wasn't clear, and my plan allowed it on my Vibrant with no complaint). But it is too important a function for me not to have. If I were a new customer, I would opt for it as well (unless some other carrier didn't charge extra). Frankly, I don't see why they can't just charge by the gigabyte (why should they care if you are streaming videos to your cell phone or to your PC?), but it seems this is the current convention.
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If the carriers can charge you for something they will. It's as if 1GB on PC > 1GB on Phone. I assume that once we get root on these phones we'll be able to tether for free the same way I was able to on my Vibrant.
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If the carriers can charge you for something they will. It's as if 1GB on PC > 1GB on Phone. I assume that once we get root on these phones we'll be able to tether for free the same way I was able to on my Vibrant.
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That should be the case. It's hard to go from 2 years (roughly of course) of using all sorts of awesome roms on the HD2 to this locked up guy. Here's to the future though, cheers.
Yes, I can.
I can. No app needed. Built right in the stock rom
I see another difference from previous tethering on the Vibrant: from the T-Mobile support page:
"When your phone is serving as a Wi-Fi hotspot for otherdevices, you cannot access the Internet on the phone itself."
It seems that it isn't completely true: I can listen to Internet radio, use Firefox, at least some of the time. The Android Market seems to fail consistently, however (just hangs "loading...").
Does anyone understand why this change has been made, or what is it's purpose?
i still don't quite can figure out why some people are able to teather as is without root
yet, some other are unable to teather
it's something in the phone plan that you guys have?, or simply the SIM card? or maybe it's on the account side in Tmobile?
I put the new SIM in my nexus and tethered fine when I couldn't from this phone.
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Its in the wireless And Network settings under 'mobile hotspot'
Just tried to tether again this morning, it didn't work. It asks me to now add the plan.... Tethering was working.
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I suppose that in order to ask us to sign onto tethering, the data must be going through the phone already, so they must have some filter in place that detects that fact and blocks further data, pending your decision.
Theres definitely something with the sim card. Used the sim from my mt4g and tethering would start and the automatically turn off a few seconds later. Activated the new sim and now it stays on but directs me to the site to purchse the service. Bummer.
We need to root this thing quickly.
Wonder if that's one of the reasons why tmo wants us to use the sim included.
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...Tethering service at $14.95/month.
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Holy crap. I pay less than that for unlimited data. That's more than half of what a full data plan costs on T-Mobile. I take it not may people buy it. I'm guessing some of the custom ROMs will port over native tethering from the international SGS2. I wonder if T-Mobile flags tethering for people not on a legit tethering plan?
I tried to tether my Touchpad but got the T-Mobile page saying to add tethering. Gotta wait for root to get free tethering and utilize those fast data speeds!
i was doing some reserach on this and figured out how t-mobile does it. if you noticed when you turn on tethering a popup generates and after you enable it the 4g disappears for a bit, apparently in the software the phone disconnect your current apn, epc.tmobile.com and changes to another apn built into the phone software which checks for the 14.99 feature so yea sucks hopefully once root is established we can get around this. if you want to test this turn on wifi tether and then go to your apn and try to select the epc.tmobile apn bubble it will go on and then disconnect immediately
Has anyone tried any other APN's?
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Here in the USA, T-Mobile charges $9.95/m for tethering. I chatted with T-Mobile asking them how come I cannot tether (brought to their promo page) and I was told that T-Mobile will be enforcing the T&Cs regarding tethering... that is, it's not allowed unless you pay for it.
I told them that my Vibrant and G2x tethered just fine to what he responded that this will change in the near future. He said that with the introduction of the SGS2 they will start to clamp down on tethering without a tethering plan.
Mind you, this is one T-Mo CSR and I don't know if it will really be policy. However, it's pretty clear that this is the case at least for the SGS2.
Hello all! I'm new here, so I guess I am what you would call an XDA Noobie or is it Newbie? haha
I've got a question about the HTC Desire Z and before anyone bashes on me, understand that I have done ALOT of searching through the forum and threads here (which have helped some) but I still feel I need to ask my particular questions... any help, info or tips would be GREATLY appreciated.
I'm buying an HTC Desire Z and I want to know if unlocked, will it be able to work on an AT&T Pay As You GO account or sim?
Does it matter if the phone is branded or not?
Should I buy an AT&T HTC DZ and unlock it myself?
Ultimately, what would be the best phone and route to take?
I currently have (and have had for a few years now) a T-Mobile SideKick unlocked using AT&T Pay As You GO. Ive never added a data package to my PAYG sim but what I have always found or been told is that you cannot use the internet or MMS on it anyway whether it's unlocked or not...
I guess the underlying reason why I am asking this question is because of the recently enforced policy that all smartphones now require a contract and data package...
I really would like this phone but I don't want to be tied to a contract or an outrageous data package... I figure since the HTC has wifi I won't always need a data package, right?
Anyway, sorry for the long post, I am just trying to get some help or answers from any one who has more experience with all of this... I hope to become a more knowledgeable. Thank You!
David
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Yea, I just seen that and I was trying to figure out how to delete this post and move it to the Desire Z section but I guess I can't... Sorry guys... I looked through here so many time and never saw the Desire Z Section... :/
Just report this to mods they will move it
Edit: been reported to move to Desire Z forum
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You can unlock it (including SIM unlock), so it will work on any network, using the guide in the XDA Wiki for the Vision (Vision is the HTC codename for the G2 and Desire Z, which are basically the same phone except for radio bands).
Doesn't matter what branding is on your phone, but do make sure you get one with the correct radio bands for AT&T, because that's one thing that's set in hardware and can't be changed.
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.
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Should I buy an AT&T HTC DZ and unlock it myself?
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There is no such thing. AT&T never offered the phone or anything close to it.
Branding does matter, as AT&T can generally only read the IMEI number of your device if its an AT&T branded phone. If they don't have the IMEI in their database, they can't tell its a smartphone. So you should be able to avoid the contract and data plan requirement if you buy a phone that is not AT&T branded. I've read of plenty of folks on here an dother forums that have used this tactic. Not sure if it works on the Pay-To-Go option. But I've read about plenty of AT&T customers that are on contract, but use a non-AT&T phone so they don't need to get a data plan, or to use the (cheaper) non-smartphone data plan. I've also read of some cases where they read the IMEI number incorrectly for a non-AT&T phone. One guy was using a Nexus One, and it was being read by AT&T as a Blackberry. They tried to add a data plan to his account, but he called them and told them it was just a dumb phone. They couldn't prove otherwise, so they removed the data plan.
The branding/version also matters if you want 3G data . The Canada Bell version is the only DZ that has the correct 3G bands to work on AT&T's network (UMTS 850/1900 MHz).
But since it doesn't sound like you want data anyway, you only need a phone that has AT&T's 2G/EDGE bands (GSM bands). AT&T uses the GSM 850/1900 MHz bands, and I believe every version of the G2/Desire Z is compatible with these GSM bands. As long as you get a phone with these GSM bands, and its SIM unlocked, it should work on AT&T.
If the phone is purchased SIM locked, you can get SIM unlocked either by following the Wiki guide (below), or use a pay service (usually than $10) available on places like eBay.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_Vision_.28G2.2FDZ.29_and_DHD
Another benefit of rooting the phone (aside from getting SIM unlock for free) is the ability to put any ROM or firmware on the phone you like. Aside from the radios (band compatibility) the hardware is essentially identical on the various DZ versions. So you can flash a new ROM to get whatever Android versions you like, remove branding, etc.
@ stewiewevie and redpoint73 - wow, THANK you guys!! Much help!
The one I am getting is from a guy from Canada... he has had it for about 6 to 8 months... its in GREAT condition and it is unbranded and unlocked and is originally from Bell Mobility...
Only thing is, he does not know if it is the A7275 or A7272... Is there any way to tell??
Going off of what redpoint said and what I have read on here... (and correct me if I'm wrong) if it is from Bell than it would have to be the A7275, correct? because what Ive read on here is that the 7275 is the only one that will work on At&t 3G...
He says the phones OS is upgraded to Android version 2.3.7 (Cyanogen Mod 7.1.0)
Would this be a good decision, or would it be like buying an outdated phone? (or is that where the root comes in like redpoint mentioned?)
Thanks again guys!
If it was from Bell, then yes its the A7275. That model number is the Bell version by definition, and the one that has the UMTS/HSPA 850/1900 MHz compatibility.
Whether its a good buy or not depends on what you want out of a phone, and how much the seller is offering it for. The Z is getting a little old hardware spec wise, with a single core 800 MHz CPU and only 512 Mb memory. Current phones have a Gig of memory, and dual core CPUs teasing close to 1.5 GHz. On the other hand, there really is not a better Android phone with a keyboard around, and nothing announced anytime soon. The Z has a healthy developer community here, so that guarantees a variety of ROMs, including ICS.
Unless you are getting a pretty good deal, or really need a phone with a keyboard, my personal opinion would be to buy something more current. I've been obsessing about upgrading myself. Just haven't find just the right phone. If/when AT&T picks up the Galaxy Nexus, or an HTC phone that looks and feels better than the Vivid, I'll probably be all over it.
I see...
Well to be honest, Ive never owned anything android and Ive always like the HTC phones... (never had one) and that was the one thing I liked about this particular phone was that it had a physical qwerty. I'm new to all this phone tech with the hardware and software and ROM's so I think it would be a good "starter phone" for me BUT, by the same token I don't want to pay an arm and a leg for something outdated...
I know even now a lot of the Desire Z's that I could find on the net are going for upwards of 300 to even 500... esp unlocked... although there are some advertised on eBay for 240 but the seller is from Honk Kong and I'm pretty leery about all that...
In your opinion what would be a good price or offer to pay?
I thought about offering the guy 250 for it but I don't know...
haha I swear Ive spent the past week researching phones and figuring all this out and narrowing it down and figuring out what will work and what I want and how much I want to pay for it... and I still don't have a phone lol
dsmoothfreestyles said:
I see...
Well to be honest, Ive never owned anything android and Ive always like the HTC phones... (never had one) and that was the one thing I liked about this particular phone was that it had a physical qwerty. I'm new to all this phone tech with the hardware and software and ROM's so I think it would be a good "starter phone" for me BUT, by the same token I don't want to pay an arm and a leg for something outdated...
I know even now a lot of the Desire Z's that I could find on the net are going for upwards of 300 to even 500... esp unlocked... although there are some advertised on eBay for 240 but the seller is from Honk Kong and I'm pretty leery about all that...
In your opinion what would be a good price or offer to pay?
I thought about offering the guy 250 for it but I don't know...
haha I swear Ive spent the past week researching phones and figuring all this out and narrowing it down and figuring out what will work and what I want and how much I want to pay for it... and I still don't have a phone lol
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I have had just about 12 Android phones in the past 3 years (I get access to whatever I want at work). The desire z was probably my favorite device. It has the best mix of features for me...but I love hardware keyboards.
It is getting older, but mine easily overclocks to more than 1.2GHz and there are many roms to choose from.just learn about flashing. You can't really go wrong if you are not willing to pay more for newer or get a contract.
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I have had just about 12 Android phones in the past 3 years (I get access to whatever I want at work). The desire z was probably my favorite device. It has the best mix of features for me...but I love hardware keyboards.
It is getting older, but mine easily overclocks to more than 1.2GHz and there are many roms to choose from.just learn about flashing. You can't really go wrong if you are not willing to pay more for newer or get a contract.
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sounds awesome, Yea I really like the device too, have not got my hands on it yet lol... and that was kind of my thinking about it too... thanks Caz
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Guys, thank you for all your help! I FINALLY got my HTC Desire Z! So far I love it... only one problem haha... I inserted my ATT Sim and for some reason it wont connect to the network...
The phone is supposed to be Sim Unlocked and originally from Bell Mobility... I thought I could simply insert my ATT Sim and be on the go but apparently not...
Are there any settings I need to configure to get it to work??
Any info or help on this would, again, be greatly appreciated...
You need to manually enter the APN (or network) info. Since its Bell branded, it only has the Bell network info built-in.
Go to Settings>Wireless & networks>Mobile networks>Access Point Names
Then create a new APN and enter the following info:
Name: AT&T
APN: wap.cingular
Proxy: leave blank
Port: leave blank
Username:[email protected]
Password:CINGULAR1
Server: leave blank
MMSC: http://mmsc.cingular.com
MMS Proxy: wireless.cingular.com
MMS Port: 80
MCC:310
MNC:410
APN Type: leave blank
It did not work
Those APN settings are exactly what Ive been looking for because I thought maybe that had something to do with it...
Most of the APN settings were already in the phone the only thing I had to add was the password... I did that with no luck... so then I deleted the APN settings all together and entered in all new settings with the ones you gave me... still no luck...
When I plug my friends SIM into the phone it works and connects to the network which is ATT but she has a data plan tied to the SIM so maybe that is what it is but I thought that you did not need a data plan...
When I do a network search it finds ATT but when I choose to connect to it it says "cannot/unable to connect to the network at this time"
I'm stooped...?
I think the phone has been flashed or rooted... it has CyanogenMod on it, and an option to Flash ClockworkMod Recovery on it and a SuperUser utility... does that have anything to do with it??
The Sim I have is an ATT Go phone sim... does that have anything to do with it... my friends Sim that worked in the phone was on an ATT contract...
SUCCESS!!!
Well, I called ATT and told them I had a temporary HTC device I wanted to put my Go Phone Sim into because my old phone broke and one thing led to another and I ended up having to go to the ATT store and have them hook me up with a new Sim Card and SHABAMM! Everything works... and I'm still on my GoPhone plan without data...
The ATT Reps had their hands all over my device haha and they were all totally cool with it being unlocked, flashed and rooted! However they said there was no way to get data onto it without getting the $25 data package... psshhh... lol
Anyway, THANK YOU everyone for your help and info!
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The Sim I have is an ATT Go phone sim... does that have anything to do with it...
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Umm, yeah . . . it would have been helpful if you mentioned that. So you didn't have any service at all (voice, SMS) on the old SIM? The typical issue with post-paid accounts is that voice works, but data doesn't, and that's where the APN comes in.
It seems that the Glide is only an AT&T-branded phone. Has anyone used one with GoPhone? Thought about picking up an unlocked one on eBay but I don't want to encounter the same "Invalid SIM card" issue I encounter when I put my GoPhone SIM card into my unlocked AT&T-sourced Skyrocket. Thanks for any info!
I can't say for certain, but I don't see why not. I use my phone with the T-Mobile monthly 4g plan and everything works fine. I do however, only have an EDGE/2g speed data wise due to the frequencies, but the phone was designed for AT&T so that wouldn't be a problem for you.
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I can't say for certain, but I don't see why not. I use my phone with the T-Mobile monthly 4g plan and everything works fine. I do however, only have an EDGE/2g speed data wise due to the frequencies, but the phone was designed for AT&T so that wouldn't be a problem for you.
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Appreciate the reply, narume. I think that the issue arises from this:
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Let me know if you ever get that working.
What i THINK is that any phone that comes out of AT&T's clutches are in their system (both imei and with carrier iq) so once it you pop a sim into it and the information is matched to a device in their system they know what can and can't be allowed for the device. With international devices they don't have those IMEIs (which is why they always want the imei from you so they can match it in their system)
Your note is international...they can't "match or track it" so to their system it's just another random dumb phone
Your skyrocket is a known LTE/HSPA+ device to the system so it says no cheap data for you
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So...assuming that this reasoning is correct, if AT&T knows that it's their phone they will have blocked its IMEI from being able to access data through GoPhone. And I would need 3G access in order to use it on my MicroCell. Anybody...?
Any at&t phones will work on go phone, and you can use a microcell as well, your phone still uses the 3/4G signal to connect for calls and texts. Also to get data to work for pictures, and mms you just need to call them and they will send you the apns, my nephew in law has an atrix 2 on a microcell with pic messaging working great. They also have a solstice 2 (dump phone) on the microcell, both go phones.
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If you're getting Invalid SIM, you may have a locked SIM card, something AT&T started doing with their prepaid a while back. New prepaid accounts have the SIM locked to the phone it was purchased with for ~3 months, after that I believe you have to either call or visit a store to have the lock removed.
Other than that, there's no reason it shouldn't work, but do remember that AT&T will see it as a smartphone. This means with their new prepaid plans, if you're using the 10 cents a minute plan you'll be unable to use data at all. If you're using one of the flat amounts per month, like the $25 or $50 plans, you'll need to purchase a data package (even though the $50 is SUPPOSED to include unlimited internet, smartphones aren't eligible).
I previously used a Motorola Flipside on AT&T's prepaid, before this change I was using the 10 cents a minute plan, with 1000 texts a month and buying a 500mb data package, then rolling over unused data each month with the 10mb package, and everything worked the same as if I was on postpaid - text, mms, internet, etc.
Thanks all! I'm 1½ months into my prepaid service. I'll check with AT&T after 3 months have passed and see if they can remove the SIM lock.
You might go ahead and call customer service anyway, who knows, you may get lucky. 3 months was what a rep told my friend a year or so ago, but that may have changed or may not have been the rule at all. Alternatively, you can go into a local store and purchase a new sim (or purchase one on ebay) and have them transfer your account over to it, just make sure they give you a regular sim and not a go-phone sim.
I just tested my captivate glide with the sim I was using in my flipside. It seems to read the sim just fine, though obviously I'm not still a prepaid customer so I can't make any real calls with it. I've also used it on a T-Mobile MyTouch 3G that was unlocked, briefly, when I was working on the flipside. Once you have the sim lock removed I expect you'll have no problems using it in any unlocked or AT&T locked phone.
If you use the 50 dollar plan and use the wap.cingular apn it will use data just set that up before you put in your sim, and do call they should unlock it for you, if not tell them you will be going to straight Talk at&t phones work locked on them since it's a part of at&t just ran by walmart.
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I have two Glides that I activated in June. NEITHER WAS SIM-LOCKED, ever.
Both are the newer 4G SIM, not the older one that says 3G on it. Got em from eBay for about $2.75 each. Both were activated online, about 3 weeks apart.
The first one, I activated with an IMEI of a Glide that broke and was able to use the SIM on a different Glide and other phones, even the Pantech Burst and got 4G. I activated it as 10c plan, then moved it to the $50 unlimited.
The second one was activated with 0000... generic IMEI with the 10c plan, and just like the first one, I was able to use the SIM on any GSM phone I have in the house (and that's quite a few).
APN: wap.cingular - only the name is needed, no userid, etc.