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I'm new to CDMA/EVDO carriers, so I'd appreciate if you could answer some questions with regarding to the technology, Verizon and Droid Incredible itself.
A little bit of a background here. I'm using Nexus One on T-Mobile. Coverage in Chicago has been o.k., but Nexus One itself has reception problem which Google seems to have stopped working on it. I'm planning to get a Mifi from Verizon soon as I need internet connection when I start to travel more.
But I have other idea, getting Droid Incredible, and drop T-Mobile. Tether it with my laptop while I'm on the go.
1:Would it be possible to use data & voice at the same time?
2:I'm planning to get PdaNet or some other app to tether it with my laptop. Should I worry about extra charge from Verizon?
3:What's the difference between corporate (44.99) and smartphone (29.99) data plan? I just need to reach IMAPS,HTTP,HTTPS, and PPTP(GRE) servers. Does Verizon block these on $29.99 plan? (Verizon sales are clueless. They just said $44.99 for business "like big business", and $29.99 is for personal use.
4:Rooting this phone. I assume that it's just the matter of time before it's released. But will there be any problem with Verizon?
5:Given Verizon history about being anal about controlling their phones. Did they block features on previous android handsets in the past? (i.e. no file xfer via BT, pics can only be sent via MMS, etc. etc.)
TIA for your answers. Given Verizon reputation of nickel & dime customers, I'm a little hesitated to switch to Verizon. But for now, it seems to make economical sense to do so, so I just wanted to make sure I understand what I'm signing up for.

1. should be able to afaik
2. you shouldnt need another app for that, youll pay extra through verizon to do it, or root the phone and you can do it without any extra charges
3. id go with the consumer pricing unless you find it isnt working for you, no sense on paying extra if it isnt needed
4. shouldnt be any problem with verizon and a rooted phone, ppl have been rooting droids and eris' since theyve been out
5. i doubt it, verizon cant control what happens to a rooted phone
some of your options may not be available until your phone is rooted, but it would definitely be worth the wait on such a sweet phone

invisiblek said:
1. should be able to afaik
2. you shouldnt need another app for that, youll pay extra through verizon to do it, or root the phone and you can do it without any extra charges
3. id go with the consumer pricing unless you find it isnt working for you, no sense on paying extra if it isnt needed
4. shouldnt be any problem with verizon and a rooted phone, ppl have been rooting droids and eris' since theyve been out
5. i doubt it, verizon cant control what happens to a rooted phone
some of your options may not be available until your phone is rooted, but it would definitely be worth the wait on such a sweet phone
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Actually you can't use voice and data at the same time on VZW, but how often do you really need to?

1. No
2. PDANet will work fine - or once rooted you might not even need that. It's against Verizon's TOS to tether, but as long as you don't abuse it they won't know.
3. Get the cheaper plan - the more expensive plan is just a way for them to milk corp customers. You can use Exchange/etc with the cheaper plan.
4. You should be able to root it no problem once the devs get on it.
5. I don't think so - that's in Verizon's past for Smartphones. Heck I had a Motorola Q years ago on Verizon and I could do whatever I pleased...even tethering with PDANet...

about high prices
Thats why im staying with my nexous one
my wife is with verizon and we got her phone today and its really nice i cant tell at all a difference between the nexous one and the droid but
there basically the same phones
the nexous one is faster but then again it rooted
but i only pay $80 month for unlimited and she is paying $129 for unlimited
i dont care what i paid for my nexous im off contract and dont have to pay 129 dollars a month

I'll hijack the thread for a little question I have and I don't want to open another thread for it.
Are you able to use the widgets that were introduced with the stock 2.1? For example that News & Weather widget or are they fully replaced / not integrated by HTC in the Sense UI?
If not, are you able to add them with apps or alternative OS versions through rooting?

Thanks for the answers guys.
@Zabil : Quite often (when I travel). This is quite an important issue if I am getting this phone as "phone + data card" combo to save $$$
@sn95chico : I've had some problem with incoming call being diverted to voice mail due to background data (GSM, not WCDMA) recently. Just in case you experience this problem, check this thread out : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6301190
I read somewhere that for CDMA/1x/EVDO, your phone will still ring when data transfer is in progress, it will only be interrupted once you hit the answer button. This is first and only technological edge that CDMA has over GSM network, IMO. I've always been a fan of GSM/WCDMA network. --- (WCDMA network supports concurrent voice/data. Too bad that there's no 100% WCDMA network in US)
Since concurrent data + voice is impossible, it doesn't make much sense for me to switch to this phone yet. I might just get Verizon or Sprint mifi and be done with it.

[Q] Android on TP2 mess up data plan for Tmobile

I wonder if anyone has encountered the situation that using Android on Tmobile TP2 messed up the 5.99 Tzone data plan. I tried Android in the past but it seems to mess up the data plan. I will get error message that you phone cannot use this data plan and ask me to upgrade. I have to turn off the phone for a while and restart in WM to be able to use the data plan again.
Thanks

TMO might be upset that you're using an Android phone on a non-Android data plan...
Not sure, my carrier (Sprint) couldn't care less - at least I haven't had any issues or complaints from their side, and everything "just works" for me. Might want to contact your provider - I wouldn't tell them what you're doing per se, just that you're getting the error and where is it coming from. If they start asking questions about Android... not sure where that'll take you. Since you're not flashing a ROM, technically I don't think it's against their use policy, but again that's really up to your provider - and possibly the rep you get

chu128 said:
I wonder if anyone has encountered the situation that using Android on Tmobile TP2 messed up the 5.99 Tzone data plan. I tried Android in the past but it seems to mess up the data plan. I will get error message that you phone cannot use this data plan and ask me to upgrade. I have to turn off the phone for a while and restart in WM to be able to use the data plan again.
Thanks
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You have to change the APN. You're probably set to epc.tmobile.com as your server. You need to change it to internet2.voicestream.com. That's basically how t-mobile determines which plan you have. internet2 is what non "smart phone" devices use. I've been doinking with it constantly. Also, if you upgrade to the recent froyo x, you'll see the "simple" APN. This is set up completely perfect for tmobile users. Set it as your default.

I haven't seen anyone mentioned this in the TP2 Android forum and I thought it is just me. I never think of modifying the apn. Thanks you all for answering by question.

Yep they're catching on apparently, been playing for the last 7 months or so without a problem and now I get redirect to internet and suggested TMo plans for Android use. What the heck, like a persons sucking Tmo dry playing occasionally right (thought I was cheap), like wise bounce back to windows I'm ok light off the droid - done, none of the "switch to's" trip them up, helluva watch dog they got, lol. Fun while it lasted Wifi good, but really need my EMails

Verizon Sale

Just a few days ago, Verizon was having a sale on their site. Get a free KIN TwoM with a 2 year contract. I think its because they've almost emptied their inventory of KINs,but there's still some left. Apple usually clears out inventory of phones by reducing them to $99. After their inventory is cleared, what will happen? I want to know what you guys think.

I think that they should sell the phone for 50$ and they would still get cash for it (nobody wants it in responsability rofl). the 2 year contract for this phone idea just made me laugh.
And yes, we all know about expiring date: soon.

Honestly i think there will be a higher demand, i was the first one in my area to own a Kin device and now all of my friends who don't want a data plan want the kin. It's the closest to a smartphone without a dataplan and is by far the BEST feature phone verizon has. I look at the reviews and laugh at all the people b*tching about this phone. Why would they be complaining when it's a cheap and very good feature phone? people complain about everything these days.

Let me explain: Original creation, aka Microsoft doesnt make more Kin OS related shipments, Sharp doesnt create more phisical devices and Verizon thinks that it sucks (and hides it). Unless you can do magic, the only devices you will see are stock or refurbised.
They are just cleaning the dust for it. Also, i just pointed at 2year contract thing, too much time imo.

johnkussack said:
Let me explain: Original creation, aka Microsoft doesnt make more Kin OS related shipments, Sharp doesnt create more phisical devices and Verizon thinks that it sucks (and hides it). Unless you can do magic, the only devices you will see are stock or refurbised.
They are just cleaning the dust for it. Also, i just pointed at 2year contract thing, too much time imo.
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yeah, I saw that it is Out-of-Stock on Verizon. Its a shame that this phone is basically dead. Even as it is, I believe that this is Verizon's best feature phone. The addition of wi-fi just makes it kick ass. And a 600-MHz processor? Damn that's fast for a feature phone. I think that given time and if rumours spread that the device can run homebrew apps and a CFW (made by our community) this phone would spread like wild-fire.

I just received to Kin TWOm's this morning from Verizon. Me and my wife both had upgrades due so she ordered them. I love the phone to be honest. Just wish It was hacked & could play games.

4LC4PON3 said:
I just received to Kin TWOm's this morning from Verizon. Me and my wife both had upgrades due so she ordered them. I love the phone to be honest. Just wish It was hacked & could play games.
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if you're connected over wi-fi, I do believe that you can play Java games. But, being a feature phone, there's not much you can ask for. Hopefully we can get things moving along and get past the write-protection on this device.

Right now my Data is blocked so I dont have Net access. I dont want to get charged for fee's but as it looks all over the net today there are a ton of users losing hope that this thing will ever get hacked.

4LC4PON3 said:
Right now my Data is blocked so I dont have Net access. I dont want to get charged for fee's but as it looks all over the net today there are a ton of users losing hope that this thing will ever get hacked.
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Why can't Microsoft just understand that this project was a failure. And since they're not going to continue the project, they might as well hand it over to the community. The community knows what it wants, and the community can develop their own software so the phone becomes better. All this phone needs is custom applications, that will solve problems of games, tools, and entertainment (youtube and what not).
If we all make a petition or something like that, pressuring Microsoft to give us a minute of their attention. Maybe then, they might give us some sort of code or access to the phone.

Antonpup said:
If we all make a petition or something like that, pressuring Microsoft to give us a minute of their attention. Maybe then, they might give us some sort of code or access to the phone.
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We're starting a petition on the Kin TwoM Programming FaceBook Page.

4LC4PON3 said:
Right now my Data is blocked so I dont have Net access. I dont want to get charged for fee's but as it looks all over the net today there are a ton of users losing hope that this thing will ever get hacked.
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It doesn't matter if your data is blocked when you connect via Wi-Fi. Verizon can't stop you from accessing Wi-Fi networks they don't own, they can only block you from using their 3G network for data (besides your calls, texts, etc).

I didnt know that I thought no matter what if you connect any data through the phone even with Wifi some how this will get to verizon & I will be charged for Data. Verizons data plans are trash so I dont want to get data with them

No, if Verizon could charge me for using my own Wi-Fi, I would be throwing stones through the windows at their corporate headquarters. Just use "Wireless Controls" under "Settings", and turn Wi-Fi on. Select a network to connect to, if it doesn't automatically find one, you can go to "other" underneath the Wi-Fi pane and find a network manually.

See I did not know that because Im just really getting into phones so this is my really first true phone. I called verizon twice & asked this same question "If I disable my Data plan" can I connect through Wifi on someone elses network & not get charged.
Both people said If i disable my Data Plan (which I dont currently have anyways) They said I would I would be charged no matter what if I connect through Wifi. Maybe thats just an attempt to force to purchase a data plan.

@4LC4PON3
You can just put your phone in airplane mode and then turn on wifi. This way, there's no chance you'll get charged while using wifi.

4LC4PON3 said:
Both people said If i disable my Data Plan (which I dont currently have anyways) They said I would I would be charged no matter what if I connect through Wifi. Maybe thats just an attempt to force to purchase a data plan.
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Simple Answer: You don't get charged for wi-fi and they can't charge you for data if it is deactivated
Explanation: That is a complete lie and whoever you were talking to must both be complete idiots. Verizon has NO way to know if you're using wi-fi or not. If they charged anyone for using wi-fi, no one would buy a smartphone from Verizon. And, if you disable your data, they cannot charge you for it. If no data is being sent to Verizon's network, then there are no charges, makes sense right? And, if you're on wi-fi which does not belong to Verizon, how would they know? Wi-fi is a short-range frequency and they would not even be able to tell if it is activated unless they put a chip in every single device that is wi-fi enabled to track it, which they do not. BUT, if you have a weak wi-fi signal, your device might drop the wi-fi connection and just hop over to 3G. Or, if you use a Verizon wi-fi zone (airports, hotels, etc) then they can charge you.

@Iggy95
I read that if you put your phone in airplane mode then you cannot send or receive pics when txting.

4LC4PON3 said:
@Iggy95
I read that if you put your phone in airplane mode then you cannot send or receive pics when txting.
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Airplane mode disables the 3G (Verizon) connection. You can't send or receive phone calls, SMS (text), or MMS (pics/videos). Airplane mode is the same thing as turning your phone off, as far as Verizon's visibility of it.

[SOLVED] So...Can you USB tether? [solution # 25 no root required]

Seems to be mixed reviews that some can and some cannot. So what's the deal?

no....the end

Mine will let me but my web browser takes me to a page asking me to sign up for the Tethering service at $14.95/month.
Suppose the answer to the question is technically *yes*

I paid the upgrade for tethering, though I think it is a bit of bait and switch (their literature certainly wasn't clear, and my plan allowed it on my Vibrant with no complaint). But it is too important a function for me not to have. If I were a new customer, I would opt for it as well (unless some other carrier didn't charge extra). Frankly, I don't see why they can't just charge by the gigabyte (why should they care if you are streaming videos to your cell phone or to your PC?), but it seems this is the current convention.

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I paid the upgrade for tethering, though I think it is a bit of bait and switch (their literature certainly wasn't clear, and my plan allowed it on my Vibrant with no complaint). But it is too important a function for me not to have. If I were a new customer, I would opt for it as well (unless some other carrier didn't charge extra). Frankly, I don't see why they can't just charge by the gigabyte (why should they care if you are streaming videos to your cell phone or to your PC?), but it seems this is the current convention.
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If the carriers can charge you for something they will. It's as if 1GB on PC > 1GB on Phone. I assume that once we get root on these phones we'll be able to tether for free the same way I was able to on my Vibrant.

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If the carriers can charge you for something they will. It's as if 1GB on PC > 1GB on Phone. I assume that once we get root on these phones we'll be able to tether for free the same way I was able to on my Vibrant.
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That should be the case. It's hard to go from 2 years (roughly of course) of using all sorts of awesome roms on the HD2 to this locked up guy. Here's to the future though, cheers.

Yes, I can.

I can. No app needed. Built right in the stock rom

I see another difference from previous tethering on the Vibrant: from the T-Mobile support page:
"When your phone is serving as a Wi-Fi hotspot for otherdevices, you cannot access the Internet on the phone itself."
It seems that it isn't completely true: I can listen to Internet radio, use Firefox, at least some of the time. The Android Market seems to fail consistently, however (just hangs "loading...").
Does anyone understand why this change has been made, or what is it's purpose?

i still don't quite can figure out why some people are able to teather as is without root
yet, some other are unable to teather
it's something in the phone plan that you guys have?, or simply the SIM card? or maybe it's on the account side in Tmobile?

I put the new SIM in my nexus and tethered fine when I couldn't from this phone.
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Its in the wireless And Network settings under 'mobile hotspot'

Just tried to tether again this morning, it didn't work. It asks me to now add the plan.... Tethering was working.
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I suppose that in order to ask us to sign onto tethering, the data must be going through the phone already, so they must have some filter in place that detects that fact and blocks further data, pending your decision.

Theres definitely something with the sim card. Used the sim from my mt4g and tethering would start and the automatically turn off a few seconds later. Activated the new sim and now it stays on but directs me to the site to purchse the service. Bummer.
We need to root this thing quickly.
Wonder if that's one of the reasons why tmo wants us to use the sim included.
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...Tethering service at $14.95/month.
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Holy crap. I pay less than that for unlimited data. That's more than half of what a full data plan costs on T-Mobile. I take it not may people buy it. I'm guessing some of the custom ROMs will port over native tethering from the international SGS2. I wonder if T-Mobile flags tethering for people not on a legit tethering plan?

I tried to tether my Touchpad but got the T-Mobile page saying to add tethering. Gotta wait for root to get free tethering and utilize those fast data speeds!

i was doing some reserach on this and figured out how t-mobile does it. if you noticed when you turn on tethering a popup generates and after you enable it the 4g disappears for a bit, apparently in the software the phone disconnect your current apn, epc.tmobile.com and changes to another apn built into the phone software which checks for the 14.99 feature so yea sucks hopefully once root is established we can get around this. if you want to test this turn on wifi tether and then go to your apn and try to select the epc.tmobile apn bubble it will go on and then disconnect immediately

Has anyone tried any other APN's?
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Here in the USA, T-Mobile charges $9.95/m for tethering. I chatted with T-Mobile asking them how come I cannot tether (brought to their promo page) and I was told that T-Mobile will be enforcing the T&Cs regarding tethering... that is, it's not allowed unless you pay for it.
I told them that my Vibrant and G2x tethered just fine to what he responded that this will change in the near future. He said that with the introduction of the SGS2 they will start to clamp down on tethering without a tethering plan.
Mind you, this is one T-Mo CSR and I don't know if it will really be policy. However, it's pretty clear that this is the case at least for the SGS2.

Enabling Built-In WiFi Hot Spot

Hey Guys, this is my first thread here and I'm hoping ya'll can help! Just got my Arc S yesterday and so far I am in love.
I have had Android phones in the past and they didn't have this "WiFi Hot Spot" feature. My Arc S does have it. I am guessing because this phone was not bought through AT&T and is totally generic, the application didn't get blocked. I enabled it earlier just to test it out and it worked great! I'm wondering if AT&T is going to charge me for the service though... I have PDANet but it totally sucks compared to creating an actual WiFi network.
Will AT&T catch on to what I'm doing and automatically charge me for the service? Will they give me warning?
Or do I not need to worry and the phone is just using my data like normal because the phone was never built for AT&T and they don't know what's going on?
Please help me out on this one! I would really like to use the WiFi hot spot feature at no extra cost beyond my standard data plan.

I didnt really get what u are trying to say well but when u turn ur phone to hot spot for wifi u have to have ur data (operator internet) enabled and the phone will use ur data internet and broadcast it as wifi so who ever connects to ur phone will be using ur operator's internet and u will be charged as normal usage btw i suggest to use operator's internet as hot spot only if u have unlimited internet exess bcoz maybe u will have to play quite alot

I'm asking if my carrier (AT&T) is going to catch on to me and charge me their monthly fee for their tethering/WiFi hot spot service.

If you use the feature you won't get charged.
I read forums of american phones sometimes to improve my English and I came across the thing with at&t's warning.
If you use too much data you might (doesn't happen to all of you) get the "You're in the top 5% of data users bla bla bla" or the one with "You're tethering, stop it or we move you to the tether plan". Also I read that that with changing plans never happened if I'm not mistaken.
So just don't tether the hell out of it and it should be good to go.
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You need a tethering plan if you're in USA afaik.
You may want to read this
http://www.pcworld.com/article/226905/android_tethering_free_ride_is_over.html
And also this
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/18/...-using-unauthorized-tethering-methods-to-pay/
I know this is old news but you will get the picture. I wonder why major US carriers do that, if you pay for data plan I think its up to the person what to do with those data (i.e. 2GB per month, 4GB per month, unlimited etc.)
It seemed that mobile internet is expensive there.
I'm on unlimited mobile data which costs me 999 php (around 23 USD in current forex)
Capped at 1GB per DAY (I dont know if its being implemented as I exceeded 1GB in one day due to english sub anime downloads hehe)
My carrier does not even charge me for tethering on my PC.

With a phone that is not from a carrier you don't need it as it has the tethering enabled without cheking your plan.
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As far as the apps being deleted from the Market that's not an issue because I already have the programs on my phone.
Those two articles seem to confirm what Flo95 said about getting a warning before AT&T actually upgrades my plan. And AT&T no longer has unlimited data plans so I don't know how they would ever know that I was using my 3G connection to make a WiFi hot spot.
With all this info I think it's fair to say I'm safe unless I get some sort of contact from AT&T warning me about data usage/tethering/WiFi hot spot usage.