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Before going to Official Froyo, think about this...

Yes, I understand the Official Froyo maybe more stable since it's more updated and complete than the leaked Froyo in custom ROM. But really is it worth the upgrade?? What I mean, when you upgrade to official froyo you will loose your root, and possibly a new updated radio that would maybe need "Paul" time to hack again. Without the root, it may not be possible to change to different ROM. I am pretty sure, once those official FROYO is out...there would be lots of different custom ROM MOD based on Official FROYO available?? Also looking at my past experience with HTC, once this official 2.2 update is available, they wont update very often anymore. It maybe better to stay with custom ROM since those cooks tend to get newer system kernel somewhere. I guess for me, even if the update is out, I will just wait out till someone make new custom ROM based on this official FROYO? cheer...that's just my opinion.

^^^what he said^^^^ +1

Most, if not all people will be waiting for a rooted version. I'll be amazed if people unroot just to get it, when it'll be modded in no time. The test release by udk is a prime example.
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kuailan said:
Yes, I understand the Official Froyo maybe more stable since it's more updated and complete than the leaked Froyo in custom ROM. But really is it worth the upgrade?? What I mean, when you upgrade to official froyo you will loose your root, and possibly a new updated radio that would maybe need "Paul" time to hack again. Without the root, it may not be possible to change to different ROM. I am pretty sure, once those official FROYO is out...there would be lots of different custom ROM MOD based on Official FROYO available?? Also looking at my past experience with HTC, once this official 2.2 update is available, they wont update very often anymore. It maybe better to stay with custom ROM since those cooks tend to get newer system kernel somewhere. I guess for me, even if the update is out, I will just wait out till someone make new custom ROM based on this official FROYO? cheer...that's just my opinion.
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Agree with the original poster's sentiments. Also worth considering that this could very easily be the last major update for HTC to roll out to the Desire. There's already a newer generation of devices out and HTC have no incentive to keep us at the leading edge. I got a clear taste of this with my previous HTC Magic - dropped by Vodafone like an unwanted toy once they started selling newer devices. Thankfully it was completely unlocked and I could flash all the custom ROMs on that which I liked but since it was a 32B if I had gone official and somehow ended up there I'd have been left behind at 1.6.

I "upgraded" from Hero (which I liked pretty much) to Desire about a month ago, and it's still unrooted. I rooted and installed a custom ROM to my Hero (a couple of weeks before the official 2.1 came out) and I was far from impressed. It became slow and laggy, the available RAM was way below than on the original 1.5 etc. I assume that I should've try other ROMs as well but at a certain point I just got tired so I switched to Desire. I love the way it is. It's fast, responsive and I enjoy all the possibilities of the hardware. I can even impress my iPhone friends with a little smile on my face.
The guy I sold my Hero just updated to the official OTA 2.1 a couple of days ago. Guess what? It's flying! I wouldn't believe it if I couldn't see with my own eyes.
I love what you guys do here. I really do. I'm amazed and impressed with all the work and effort you put in these custom ROMs. I'm reading all the interesting threads, tips, tricks etc. It's good to have a place like this board. It's good to have full control over our handsets, install software others can't. But I kinda like the way HTC puts together and tests its ROMs even if it's bloated with stuff I'll never use. I'll check for updates every hour this weekend Cos I'm eager to try all the new features. Maybe later I'll switch to a custom ROM which is based on the official, but for now I'm focusing on the "Check now" button

even though it hurts to say so.. but I agree

kuailan said:
Yes, I understand the Official Froyo maybe more stable since it's more updated and complete than the leaked Froyo in custom ROM. But really is it worth the upgrade?? What I mean, when you upgrade to official froyo you will loose your root, and possibly a new updated radio that would maybe need "Paul" time to hack again. Without the root, it may not be possible to change to different ROM. I am pretty sure, once those official FROYO is out...there would be lots of different custom ROM MOD based on Official FROYO available?? Also looking at my past experience with HTC, once this official 2.2 update is available, they wont update very often anymore. It maybe better to stay with custom ROM since those cooks tend to get newer system kernel somewhere. I guess for me, even if the update is out, I will just wait out till someone make new custom ROM based on this official FROYO? cheer...that's just my opinion.
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Why would it not possible to root back after unrooting? Since rooting is now riskfree...

What I would like is a standard final realease, rooted and A2SD+'ed, thats it, no other mod`s.

as long as froyo doesn't modify the hboot to a new version, you can always rollback and unroot.

pina_ said:
Why would it not possible to root back after unrooting? Since rooting is now riskfree...
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Because the leaked froyo came with a new HBOOT (which was removed by devs here) which at the moment is unrootable. And may be unrootable forever!
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coercri said:
What I would like is a standard final realease, rooted and A2SD+'ed, thats it, no other mod`s.
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Me too
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coercri said:
What I would like is a standard final realease, rooted and A2SD+'ed, thats it, no other mod`s.
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Agreed, I finally took the plunge to root and A2SD, the latter of which is amazing Is it really too much to ask for, just to install apps on the SD?

I will wait for Froyo Official-based custom ROMS!

macacao said:
Me too
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That would be perfect..! And wake phone with the select button.

I was near to unroot and and go back to the normal rom. But now not anymore after what u guys said. Thx.
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So if someone buy a HTC desire after the update he may not be able to get root ever. Lucky us!
Sent from my HTC Desire using my fingers.

I highly doubt no one is ever going to be able to root if they officially upgrade to 2.2. It will happen, it might just take a while that's all for Paul and co. to do it..

I think that all of you that says that the new Hboot could not be hacked, underestimate many very very skilled peoples knowledge. Just because it isn't cracked now, it not equal to *incrackable*.
I am very certain that it will be cracked or something else and then root access can be achieved again.

[Q] ICS for T989 root question

will the official ics realease for our sgs2 be able to be rooted the same way via push cwm using odin and then flashing su. just asking because i like running a stock rooted rom. thanks!

I'm sure once someone releases a rooted one it will be. Of course the leak that TDJ has in the development thread is already rooted and pretty much all stock as well.
Cheers

Hmm...when ICS is released, how would I running a custom rom...go about getting the update? Would I have to resort back to stock, would I even be notified, or better to wait for another custom rom?
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TerrorCandii said:
Hmm...when ICS is released, how would I running a custom rom...go about getting the update? Would I have to resort back to stock, would I even be notified, or better to wait for another custom rom?
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Yeah, stock with nothing frozen, deleted, and have stock 3e recovery. If device management is frozen or removed from your rom you wont get a notification.
I would wait for custom or a stock rooted will be available shortly after release, im sure

Ok, thanks....guess I'll wait then. Don't feel like really going back...to go forward, Lol.
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ICS roms are in full swing now, so anything Google delivers the developers will top. The whole point of custom roms is to do what the phone was not designed to do by google. We have some good ICS roms all ready and as android evolver so will our developers. Remember most of them have 2 year contracts like us so they have the knowledge how to make their phones better and share with us. FYI ICS wont be pushed to our device for quite a while, and to answer your question no one knows, so root now lol anyupdates will be in a rom shortly after that.

Rooted is always better. People always come out with a cool rooted/debloated rom the day after. I've never regretted rooting any phone. My chick's bionic is even rooted. She loves adfree and the other benefits of rooting.
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In-place upgrade for JB's release? Please help

If someone can PLEASE answer this question for me I would really appreciate it. I recently rooted my S3 so I can download and use rooted apps. I also changed my battery and wifi icons to look like ICS's icons (the blue ones) and removed some the samsung applications with root uninstaller. Will updating to Jellybean ruin my phone or something? Would I need to re-root my phone after installing it when its released? I want to keep all my apps and information as well. I figure this would be a upgrade like how windows does it. T'm new to this just so you guys know.
From another thread someone mention about devs making JB roms for rooted phones which leaves me to my next question
When a dev pushes out the updated JB ROM how will that be different compare to how samsung does it? Will it remove all my apps and personal information?Or is it like upgrading a operating system like windows? Also would there version of JB be like a stock rom or like Samsung with touch wize. I still want my camera to work as well as wifi. I heard from other thread they dont seem to work when updating roms?

javier180 said:
If someone can PLEASE answer this question for me I would really appreciate it. I recently rooted my S3 so I can download and use rooted apps. I also changed my battery and wifi icons to look like ICS's icons (the blue ones) and removed some the samsung applications with root uninstaller. Will updating to Jellybean ruin my phone or something? Would I need to re-root my phone after installing it when its released? I want to keep all my apps and information as well. I figure this would be a upgrade like how windows does it. T'm new to this just so you guys know.
From another thread someone mention about devs making JB roms for rooted phones which leaves me to my next question
When a dev pushes out the updated JB ROM how will that be different compare to how samsung does it? Will it remove all my apps and personal information?Or is it like upgrading a operating system like windows? Also would there version of JB be like a stock rom or like Samsung with touch wize. I still want my camera to work as well as wifi. I heard from other thread they dont seem to work when updating roms?
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Any rom that a developer makes is not going to be an official release and therefore will need to be flashed, this will wipe everything. Usually when people flash roms they use a tool such as Titanium Backup to backup all their apps and stuff. If you don't want to lose any data you would have to wait for an OTA (over the air) update for JB, this will keep all your data in tact although to do a OTA update you have to have all the stock apps I believe.

Halmo said:
Any rom that a developer makes is not going to be an official release and therefore will need to be flashed, this will wipe everything. Usually when people flash roms they use a tool such as Titanium Backup to backup all their apps and stuff. If you don't want to lose any data you would have to wait for an OTA (over the air) update for JB, this will keep all your data in tact although to do a OTA update you have to have all the stock apps I believe.
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Im new to the terms.. isnt flash the same as install?
Also, I used Odin to root my phone, How would I go about flashing the JB rom to my phone? Hopefully I'm saying this right. The thing I dont get since Samsung is releasing JB to the s3 why would the JB work flawless with the s3. Couldnt they use the Nexus 7's JB and port it to the S3. I'm still trying to understand how all this works. I dont want to have any hardware issues, like my camera or wifi not working from what i heard in the past.

Good for you on successfully rooting your phone and doing a few things to make it suit you more better. But you will have to do some searching and alot of reading to understand some more.
Right now your phone is rooted Samsung doesn't want to update your phone cause you've already kinda said I don't like the way you do things samsung by rooting your phone. If you want, you can unroot your phone and flash a stock jelly bean rom when and if it gets released and then re-root your phone and do some more changes if you need or want to with the new update. Issue with this is that you have to wait and it takes longer for Samsung to release updates than third party developers can create them, there are pros and cons to doing third party roms same with using stock manufacture releases. its all comes down to the person you are and what you want from your phone. No one can tell you what to do and what is right to do thats your choice because mainly there are lots of choices with these phones.
With that being said its rumoured that samsung will be releasing jelly bean faster than it did other updates, but thats a rumour still. I haven't been following the development of the SG3 lots as I'm pretty happy with my rooted ICS at the moment and don't mind waiting. I don't think there is a clean stable Jelly Bean rom out there at the moment, I know they are coming and are being worked on very hard but the great teams at XDA. I also know the international version has a little more support than the North American versions.
When and if you decide to get a third party rom there are different ways you can install or flash them. Developers will almost always have clear instructions on how to install them, usually requires you backing up cause you'll lose everything and downloading a zip file putting it onto your phone and installing it with Clock Work Mod, if you don't know what that is search for it there is lots of info on it. You can also flash the updates with odin but I believe Clock Work Mod "CWM" is the better way of doing it.
Also just because jelly bean is on other devices doesn't mean its easy to bring it over to another device there are hardware differences, especially between manufactures, features are different and lots and lots of other things, its not like windows and you cant put it onto any device and it just figures it out and works.

Its_Dave said:
Good for you on successfully rooting your phone and doing a few things to make it suit you more better. But you will have to do some searching and alot of reading to understand some more.
Right now your phone is rooted Samsung doesn't want to update your phone cause you've already kinda said I don't like the way you do things samsung by rooting your phone. If you want, you can unroot your phone and flash a stock jelly bean rom when and if it gets released and then re-root your phone and do some more changes if you need or want to with the new update. Issue with this is that you have to wait and it takes longer for Samsung to release updates than third party developers can create them, there are pros and cons to doing third party roms same with using stock manufacture releases. its all comes down to the person you are and what you want from your phone. No one can tell you what to do and what is right to do thats your choice because mainly there are lots of choices with these phones.
With that being said its rumoured that samsung will be releasing jelly bean faster than it did other updates, but thats a rumour still. I haven't been following the development of the SG3 lots as I'm pretty happy with my rooted ICS at the moment and don't mind waiting. I don't think there is a clean stable Jelly Bean rom out there at the moment, I know they are coming and are being worked on very hard but the great teams at XDA. I also know the international version has a little more support than the North American versions.
When and if you decide to get a third party rom there are different ways you can install or flash them. Developers will almost always have clear instructions on how to install them, usually requires you backing up cause you'll lose everything and downloading a zip file putting it onto your phone and installing it with Clock Work Mod, if you don't know what that is search for it there is lots of info on it. You can also flash the updates with odin but I believe Clock Work Mod "CWM" is the better way of doing it.
Also just because jelly bean is on other devices doesn't mean its easy to bring it over to another device there are hardware differences, especially between manufactures, features are different and lots and lots of other things, its not like windows and you cant put it onto any device and it just figures it out and works.
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I cant thank you enough for this reply. It was very informative! I been doing some research as well so I can get a better understanding on how these roms work. As sad as this sounds I found out cyanogenmod10 is basically a mod rom of jellybean. If these rumors are in fact true, would the jellybean release from samsung speed of the developing process for cyanogenmod10? Since they should share the same code or what not.
I think at this point I dont care to backup. All my pics are sync to my dropbox automatically and my can go to the playstore and redownload my payed apps there. So backing up is not needed with me.

Yeah, CM10 is a 4.1.1 rom as far as I know, I still have my old i9000 and installed it on it the other day. Its nice and has all the jelly bean features, I find it a bit laggy but all the functions work great. The laggyness is hard to say, the phone is old but they are also still porting over all the features, I think its a bit of both at the moment but since its not my daily main phone I don't play with it alot.
The Cyanogenmod is a great rom, and lots of third party roms are based off that rom just with other mods on top of it. Personally since its still a beta like it says in the forum i'm willing to wait and the rumours on jelly bean coming from samsung at the end of august seem to me more true by the day. And once that is released or leaked CM will be alot better faster. But you never know still waiting on ICS from those slow pokes on my tab 10.1 while in the mean time they have released two more tables with ICS haha.
So like i have said before its really up to you. You can install the beta and try it out, I know people are using it as a daily driver. And you can always flash back to stock.

64 million dollar question, should I custom ROM?

Hi
As title says I am toying with the idea of updating my ROM from stock 4.1.1
Although I am happy with its overall performance I would like to know from other people what they felt were the main difference when they changed ROMs
I would love to get rid of all the bloatware and have the new camera app with 4.2
also...read somewhere that 4.2 will be available OTA in the new year but what the hell, people root out of the box so it can't be all that bad
All advice welcome thank you for your time
Cheers
Lee

If all you want to do is remove bloatware, all you need to do is root. You can install some of the 4.2 apps without rooting either.
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You don't need to use a Custom rom really.
I got my Note 2 since yesterday and I'm really happy with stock performance (and I was coming from a SGS3).
I just powered it with root and XposedFramework with call recording and multiwindow modules.
I don't know only few devs are doing their mods with xposedframework...
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If you want to tweak and customise it then go for a custom ROM.
Otherwise, if you just want to remove pre-installed apps then just root it and stay on stock as D3 suggested.

Ok so rooting is a must, would I still get updates OTA if I am rooted? maybe for now I can just uninstall bloatware and install the camera app until 4.2 is released
Going to give this a whirl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5RpWHDFAEs

I went that way with my Note I, and was so addicted to it that I didn't rest until I bricked it, of course it was entirely my fault alone but will never take that root again.
So my 64 million dollar advice is no, I will most patiently wait for the stock ROM.

EFCLEE said:
Ok so rooting is a must, would I still get updates OTA if I am rooted? maybe for now I can just uninstall bloatware and install the camera app until 4.2 is released
Going to give this a whirl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5RpWHDFAEs
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I dunno about OTA. I rooted and flashed custom within about 2hrs of getting my Note 2
Put it this way though...any updates, fixes or features included in new official firmware will always be included in the latest stock ROMs, often even before the official stock appears as many XDA devs have industry insiders who often leak f/w early.
Easiest way to root and install a custom recovery:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1923956
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I went that way with my Note I, and was so addicted to it that I didn't rest until I bricked it, of course it was entirely my fault alone but will never take that root again.
So my 64 million advice is no, I will most patiently wait for the stock ROM.
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All soft-bricks are fixable... don't let it put you off enjoying the vast array of awesome custom ROMs available for Note 2. Just be sure to always have a back-up handy, and to always read the instructions as many times as it takes for them to be clear in your mind :good:

If you have to ask then no.
This PSA was sent Flow style from my Note 2 N-7100

Been using droids for too long now, and I've tried them all. So my 128 million dollar answer will be, NO.
I'm never opening my door to welcome whole world of problems, bugs, frustrations.
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jujuburi said:
Been using droids for too long now, and I've tried them all. So my 128 million dollar answer will be, NO.
I'm never opening my door to welcome whole world of problems, bugs, frustrations.
Sent from my GT-N7100
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You must be flashing the wrong ROMs
I've been doing this a long time too, on lots of different phones and rarely have any bugs or frustrations, certaininly nothing that isn't usually A/ apparent on stock f/w too or B/ fixed within hours/days by the ROM devs. I wouldn't say I'm a flashaholic though, I tend to find a ROM that works well then use it for a few weeks with the odd kernel swap until the next major release, usually a new base, then I'll monitor the threads for a few days to see what issues others are having and see if it's worth my while updating. I guess that's half the fun for me though and I understand some people simplay can't be bothered with it. Each to their own :good:
The good thing about Note 2 is it has good stock and cutom ROMs so you're going to have a good experience either way

I'd echo citizenlees comments. The stock rom is pretty good.
I'm a relative new comer, and I'm in the process of mixing up ROMS And kernels. And I have to say it's been fun trying new things and seeing how they work for you. My battery life now is mega! And that's only from tinkering.
Make sure your back up is solid depending on which recovery version you use.
I've had to use the recovery method when things have gone pear shaped, but all good now.
Have fun and explore in small steps.
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you need to have root to enjoy your android phone to full...for ex: to include all apps in multiview, etc..........but when you have rooted the note2, there is no way you get OTA updates...they are also far and few..you need to update by flashing the official new firmware using odin, when it is made available, usually 2-3 months later than the leak....and you would again lose root...so you again have to root......(unlike my asus tablet, where i can restore root without problem and i get OTA updates despite being rooted..and i am using stock rom on it...asus is fast on updates and fixes)
so think about it, ...you may as well flash custom roms (most are close to stock on the note2 ...just debloated, rooted with all tweaks and mods pre-installed) and enjoy all tweaks and updates earlier.
just read instructions carefully, no problems

The stock firmware is wonderful. I myself got my note yesterday and I am planning to just root and debloat it. I would advise the same.
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i'm more than satisfied with fully stock ROM ( with disabling bloatwares )
just playing with kernels

Im using it stock (4.1.2 official) + root + cwm (to flash some mods for odex roms...) .. And i enjoy it.. THe only thing i miss are those mods for notification toggles, as i cant get them to work on odexed 4.1.2...
Rest is totally fine...
And for the OTA. you dont need to wait for ota.. Just follow xda and, when next official version comes out (4.2) just flash it via odin

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...and have the new camera app with 4.2
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If quality don't matter, 4.2 camera isn't close to Samsung's firmware camera. Just something to consider.

Device belong to us..not samsung anymore. Unlease the power!

Update....
hence forth with cm10.1 and gapps-jb was a pleasant experience I have to say.
on boot chose not to do a full synch with gmail, sweet that it re-downloads all ur apps but on this occasion thought best not to
camera didnt have sphere!! so i flash it with 4camnex2 so now I have 2 camera icons in my app draw one that has no sphere and one that fails to load!! hmm
also keyboard doesnt have any number across the top, I was sooo used to this previous now its just a bind having to press 123 button
on the whole I am still glad I upgraded to 4.2
am I right that I could re-flash with an official ROM and revert back to OTA updates?
Any advice on tweaks wit this would be most welcome
Cheers
Lee

[Q] Best-ish Sony Stock ICS

Hi,
I`m planing to downgrade to an official Sony Stock ICS ROM (& and strip the bloatware) to get all the features working (HDMI). I was planing to pair the stock sony ICS with a kernel like Lupus. Before doing this however I wanted to ask if anyone has a recomendation on which Stock ICS version to get because I remember reading that one of those was a major flaw.
Additionally I'd like to know if anyone has/did run stock ICS+custom kernel and could share his experience with speed/smoothness and such, because I remember running the LT18i_4.1.B.0.587 firmware before rooting my device some years ago and the whole system was so laggy ... which lead me to try custom ROMs first and evetually unlock the bootloeader and go for custom Kernels later.
Any other recomendations are welcome.
~ska

skaveelicious said:
Hi,
I`m planing to downgrade to an official Sony Stock ICS ROM (& and strip the bloatware) to get all the features working (HDMI). I was planing to pair the stock sony ICS with a kernel like Lupus. Before doing this however I wanted to ask if anyone has a recomendation on which Stock ICS version to get because I remember reading that one of those was a major flaw.
Additionally I'd like to know if anyone has/did run stock ICS+custom kernel and could share his experience with speed/smoothness and such, because I remember running the LT18i_4.1.B.0.587 firmware before rooting my device some years ago and the whole system was so laggy ... which lead me to try custom ROMs first and evetually unlock the bootloeader and go for custom Kernels later.
Any other recomendations are welcome.
~ska
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I believe the newest is the best you can get, which is 4.1.B.0.587. You can also try 4.1.B.1.13, but it is a branded firmware and may have some additional bloatware installed in it.

Thanks. I remember 4.1.B.0.587 was really laggy when running on stock "everything". I'll try it and see if I can get it running smoothly with a custom kernel...

skaveelicious said:
Thanks. I remember 4.1.B.0.587 was really laggy when running on stock "everything". I'll try it and see if I can get it running smoothly with a custom kernel...
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Even with a custom kernel, stock 4.1.B.0.587 will still lag a lot because of all the bloatware Sony added inside.

popthosegaskets said:
Even with a custom kernel, stock 4.1.B.0.587 will still lag a lot because of all the bloatware Sony added inside.
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And extremely awful optimization.

You guys are really making me think twice about this.

skaveelicious said:
You guys are really making me think twice about this.
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That's just life. Sony gave us really crappy ICS firmware.