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AT&T Owners: Ready to Tell AT&T to Kiss Off?

I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?

Hey I feel your pain I am still using the Hermes from 3 years ago. I really want this phone but I can't do Sprint (Not enough custom ROM's etc) and Verizon well they just totally suck!! T-mobile is an option but coverage isn't that great here and there is no 3G and I have heard the sound volume is sucky on that one for some reason.
So I am stuck for now. As far as the whole 6.5 thing it really doesn't matter to me because I would just be using a custom ROM from here anyway but I really have no choice but to wait
While the Leo looks bad as hell I think its the first time I have actually thought hmmm maybe that phone is just too damn big for me lol

They've got the iDud and all the money and glory that goes along with it, do you think they give a crap about the Touch Pro 2?

MrDSL said:
Verizon well they just totally suck!! T
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Why do you say that?

californiarailroader said:
Why do you say that?
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Just my personal experience and I told myself long ago I would never give them my money again because of the things they do.
Most of their phones you can't send files like pics and ringtones via bluetooth because that profile is taken out. Alot of phone have GPS locked and WIFI taken out etc.
Again thats just my personal opinion.

MrDSL said:
Just my personal experience and I told myself long ago I would never give them my money again because of the things they do.
Most of their phones you can't send files like pics and ringtones via bluetooth because that profile is taken out. Alot of phone have GPS locked and WIFI taken out etc.
Again thats just my personal opinion.
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They used to do those things, that's true, but no more, all their smartphones (and regular phones) come with all features (like GPS, Bluetooth OBEX, etc.) intact and ready for use. They have also released ROM updates for many devices, like the original Touch Pro and Omnia that unlock the GPS on them. They said they'd do it, and they did, I am surprised but pretty happy they have

Thats probably true but at this point its the principle of the matter because I have way too many options in my area. Besides they are also the most expensive.

We've got 5 carriers, AT&T (formerly Edge Wireless here, an AT&T affiliate), Verizon, US Cellular, Metro PCS and as of this summer/fall, T-Mobile, who is just building out in our area. In terms of actual coverage, it goes like this-
1.US Cellular
2.Verizon
3.AT&T
4.Metro PCS
5.T-Mobile (they are just building out, hence the low rating).
Sprint and Nextel have licenses to serve our area as well, but have never built out a network here. Sprint roams on US Cellular, and Nextel phones are just dead paperweights.

californiarailroader said:
They've got the iDud and all the money and glory that goes along with it, do you think they give a crap about the Touch Pro 2?
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Oh it's obvious that they don't give a crap about it. My problem is that they want to have their cake and eat it too. "We don't give a crap about Windows Mobile users and we'll release the phones we're going to whenever we darn well please, but we want to be sure that HTC doesn't give people the opportunity to buy it before we make it available."
The fact that they keep the manufacturer from releasing an unlocked version that will work here is criminal. It's almost a cellular monopoly but in the sense that the carriers have gotten together as a team in an effort to remove choice from the consumer. They can claim all they want that you can still buy one from the manufacturer but that's like saying you can only buy a Porsche in the US from a Porsche dealer. If you order one from overseas, not only will you pay significantly more, we're also going to replace the engine with one from a 1987 Ford Escort.
Why can't we just buy the phone we want from whoever we choose and let that be that. I still have to pay for service any way you cut it. They can't be making THAT much money of the device itself anyway!

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Who's with me
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Not me.
I'm cruising along just fine on my Kaiser till AT&T gets the Tilt 2 like they want it.
Everything I've read leads me to believe it's a great device and worth the wait. If I get 2 years out of a Tilt 2 like I have my Tilt 1, it's all good.

I'm with you. Hopefully I'll be saying byebye to AT&T today...Once my TP2 arrives..

I don't mean to be a little rough but STOP WHINING AND TAKE ACTION!
I felt exactly as you did and changing carriers wasn’t really an answer. After all, by buying from any carrier you are supporting HTC and the local carriers who arrange/force HTC not to release phones with US 3G bands.
The ONLY way this is going to change is if the customers (YOU) change.
Personally, I have decided I will NOT sign any 2 year commitment and I will NOT be forced to buy a data plan, and I will NOT support HTC who is allowing ATT and others to bully them into not releasing world phones with US 3G bands.
The solution is simple, buy from a company who DOES NOT DO THIS. Personally, I went with the Samsung Omnia 2. If that is not your cup of tea, look at Nokia’s or even the Sony X2 which is due out soon. Support the companies that are releasing phones with US 3G bands.
The only way the local carriers are going to change (or HTC) is if enough of us speak with our money and take our business elsewhere. That is the only way things will change. Whining about it on a forum isn’t going to have any effect.
Good luck to you and I hope you do speak with your wallet by taking your business to other phone manufacturers.

While I'm certainly not enjoying the wait to upgrade my 8525, I don't really see the issue with them waiting for WinMo 6.5. Sucks for me, but then I know the carrier is going to fully support it. Are all the other carriers going to have 6.5 upgrades ready and waiting on Oct 6th?
Also I feel like I'm in the minority, but my experience with AT&T has been great. Their 3G coverage in my area is fantastic. I'm not a big fan of AT&T as a company, but I have a hard time arguing with the service I receive.

My first post.
I've been waiting on ATT for what seems like forever. Think I'm going over to Sprint in a week or two so I can try out both the TP2 and the Hero then decide which one I want. Not to mention the monthly cost will be significantly reduced compared to ATT.
Have a newb question. I know there is a different hardspl for the Sprint version, that isn't out yet as far as I can tell, but once hardspl is out will all the roms, software, etc. for the other versions work on the CDMA version? If not I might be stuck waiting on ATT and paying too much for service.

jonnyp4l said:
I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?
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I'm way ahead of you. I left AT&T 3 weeks ago for the TMo TP2.
argoldst said:
I don't mean to be a little rough but STOP WHINING AND TAKE ACTION!
I felt exactly as you did and changing carriers wasn’t really an answer. After all, by buying from any carrier you are supporting HTC and the local carriers who arrange/force HTC not to release phones with US 3G bands.
The ONLY way this is going to change is if the customers (YOU) change.
Personally, I have decided I will NOT sign any 2 year commitment and I will NOT be forced to buy a data plan, and I will NOT support HTC who is allowing ATT and others to bully them into not releasing world phones with US 3G bands.
The solution is simple, buy from a company who DOES NOT DO THIS. Personally, I went with the Samsung Omnia 2. If that is not your cup of tea, look at Nokia’s or even the Sony X2 which is due out soon. Support the companies that are releasing phones with US 3G bands.
The only way the local carriers are going to change (or HTC) is if enough of us speak with our money and take our business elsewhere. That is the only way things will change. Whining about it on a forum isn’t going to have any effect.
Good luck to you and I hope you do speak with your wallet by taking your business to other phone manufacturers.
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Let's see, you don't have a TP2, don't even have an HTC phone, and are advocating that all of us also refuse to buy HTC altogether so WTF are you doing here in a forum dedicated primarily to HTC phones? It seems to me that if you really were serious about your little boycott you would put your money where your mouth is and "take your business elsewhere."
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SoapDoctor said:
My first post.
Have a newb question. I know there is a different hardspl for the Sprint version, that isn't out yet as far as I can tell, but once hardspl is out will all the roms, software, etc. for the other versions work on the CDMA version? If not I might be stuck waiting on ATT and paying too much for service.
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I highly doubt it.

i think the main reason att hasnt released the touch pro 2 is that their network isnt ready to handle all the data the will be running on those devices, they have already alot of activity from the 3gs , also they are waiting to release it with windows 6.5 so that will be a plus because it will be definite that it will be fully supported, just my .02

jonnyp4l said:
I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?
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Ditto, Verizon (coverage and unlocked GSM sim card), sprint if they have good coverage in your area (4G),

I would have jumped ship if not for the fact that it would cost me a minimum of $30/month more on any other carrier compared to my grandfathered plan.
So in the meantime my Tilt is enough to keep me going, though my patience is very thin at this point. I just want to know a release date (price too would be nice). That would at least make the waiting more bearable knowing when it would end.

Leave AT&T cause they release a phone 2 months after others? Doubly a solid reason.
I like AT&T, I like their prices (I pay $20 for unlim internet, + $70 for 2 phones (700 mins)). Plus their rollover feature is cool, I got like 4.8K minutes accumulated (way too much I know).
Plus their customer service is awesome, they've repeatedly forgiven me $200-$300 on my account when I went way out of limit (about 4 years ago). My friend with Verizon was so jealous.
Just hang tight, AT&T's tilt 2 will be out in Nov '09.

Sprint sucks, so a few questions

Just a few questions about Sprint.
Now, here is my question:
This phone well is nice.
Anyway, if I go to Sprint, do I HAVE to have a 2 year contract with them? They suck hard, reception in my area is balls(Though good at my house, bad at places where I go, it has at&T like service)
This phone also has the potential to become SEVERELY outdated in 2 years. (Mainly because being tide down to a 2 year contract is stupid, although my Iphone 3g doesn't feel too old even though it's been 2 years)
Not to mention snapdragons at 45nm are coming out at the end of this year.
So what is your input? Do I have to have a 2 year contract?
Also I plan on rooting this phone once the guy at grack releases the exploit.
I hope someone makes a stock Android available for this phone with Froyo.

Your only way out is to sell it to me. I'd be happy to take the phone off your hands and solve all of your problems
Seriously... PM me

Well lets just go through these one at a time...
1) You have a 30 day money back guarantee... USE IT! Take it everywhere you usually go, if the coverage is sub-par, take it back.
2) You do not have to start a 2 year contract - you can go month to month, but the do not offer subsidies on the phones if you do this. The retail cost on the Evo is $449.
3) If you sign a 2 year agreement, after 6 months of paying on time, you become a Premier Member which allows you to update your device at the 2 year price every year - with the addition of another year on your contract - it takes the 1 year and adds 1 more to it every time you do it.
4) The TV out features appear to be VERY limited at this point - videos and gallery only at launch. I'm sure the kind people here will have it rooted and figure out a way to get more through the TV, but for now, that's what we have.
Overall, I switched from Verizon to Sprint in Feburary and couldn't be happier. My service is just as good. Customer service has been wonderful and my bill is half what it was on Verizon.
All I can do is stress that 30 day trial period. Make sure you take the phone everywhere that you go - and then some!

zcarman said:
2) You do not have to start a 2 year contract - you can go month to month, but the do not offer subsidies on the phones if you do this.
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I hope you did your research OR you have personally gotten month-by-month with Sprint.
Many people on other forums have reported calling Sprint and asking for month-by-month or 1-year contracts. My girlfriend being one of them. However, Sprint has told everyone that all plans must come with a 2-year contract. It seems that Sprint does things differently than T-mobile.
If you are not just speaking hypothetically, we would love to hear more about this "month to month" plan that you mention.

Where are you at with bad Sprint reception, mine just roams on other networks, I always have signal and I live in a small town in the south. As for the iPhone 4g, I thought it had the same internals as the iPad.

pingpongboss said:
I hope you did your research OR you have personally gotten month-by-month with Sprint.
Many people on other forums have reported calling Sprint and asking for month-by-month or 1-year contracts. My girlfriend being one of them. However, Sprint has told everyone that all plans must come with a 2-year contract. It seems that Sprint does things differently than T-mobile.
If you are not just speaking hypothetically, we would love to hear more about this "month to month" plan that you mention.
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I believe the plan they're referring to isn't really a plan.. but if you've already served your 2 year contract, and remain with sprint, then it becomes month-to-month on whatever plan you had before.

jigglywiggly said:
This phone also has the potential to become SEVERELY outdated in 2 years, the iphone 4g has a lot of speculation.
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So the EVO will be "SEVERELY outdated in 2 years", but the iphone has a lot of speculation?
lol what do you think that iphone will be like in 2 years? That's right, Apple will have released 2 more models after it.
That point is moot, both phones will be outdated in 2 years. Hell, both of them will be outdated by December of this year. They're phones, that's the nature of the beast.

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I hope you did your research OR you have personally gotten month-by-month with Sprint.
Many people on other forums have reported calling Sprint and asking for month-by-month or 1-year contracts. My girlfriend being one of them. However, Sprint has told everyone that all plans must come with a 2-year contract. It seems that Sprint does things differently than T-mobile.
If you are not just speaking hypothetically, we would love to hear more about this "month to month" plan that you mention.
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As would I. I'm seriously considering paying the ETF on my AT&T contract. But there is ZERO chance I would ever be locked to Sprint for a year let alone two...

iphone = LOL please
yea if you enjoy a closed off OS

I have been with sprint for over 10years and really they have been one of the better for me..... I also had at&t and tmo through this same time and hated both of them more than sprint.....
AT&T are crooks and tmo just stinks, iphone is cool if your a fanboy but really it is quite bland to me.
I have had many phones with sprint and the only way I ever have a new commitment is if I get the phone at a discounted price.......I bought my hero from and individual and it did not reset my commitment, but that doesnt mean they do not require a commitment on the Google IO phones. They shouldnt imo, because they did not subsidize it, althought this could be required for a new customer.
i have never seen the contract be associated with the plan just the device and number.
One more point: The etf with sprint is still one of the lower as I have not heard they have raised it like ATT and tmo, so in all fairness even if you terminate early you should easily recomp that by selling the EVO if you dont like the service.
I too hate ETF but its a small cost considering monthy recurring charges on a smartphone, even though sprint is about half of the other guys. I have 4 lines all smartphones with sprint and I pay just over what my iphone bill was with AT&T so this imo opinion that is worth a lot!

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This phone also has the potential to become SEVERELY outdated in 2 years, the iphone 4g has a lot of speculation.
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Pppplease.. This phone has the most features than any phone to date, not to mention what we already know form iPhone HD leak. I say this phone will be kicking ass for more than 2 yrs!
The solve your worries, just sell the phone, and get whatever phone is out for your carrier, that you think has the best coverage in your area..

I never understood why people bash Sprint so much. I never have problems with dropped calls or lack of signal. It seems reliable to me. The biggest problem with Sprint for me has always been their selection of phones doesn't match the other carriers, and the Evo should change that.

Guy says he can't get a signal in whatever cave he lives in so "Sprint Sucks" please go to AT&T. Bye...
I'm actually surprised that the first few posters were as kind as they were.

If you have the phone already just use it month to month, the 2 year contract is only for the discounts on a new phone.

myth_mn said:
If you have the phone already just use it month to month, the 2 year contract is only for the discounts on a new phone.
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We've heard that but I for one cannot find any printed data from Sprint that says I can bring in my phone and start a month to month deal with them. Would you have any information or a link to such?
Thanks

iPhone... ewww. Even if it does come to sprint, I won't be hopping on that bandwagon anytime soon, or ever.

misticjeff said:
We've heard that but I for one cannot find any printed data from Sprint that says I can bring in my phone and start a month to month deal with them. Would you have any information or a link to such?
Thanks
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When you add a line, upgrade, or purchase new service you have to option to purchase the phone at a discounted price but with a contract. If you have a phone already, or buy it without the discount a contract is not required.
I've moved back to Sprint in the pass using an old phone without any contracts.

Does ANYONE keep their same phones for the entire two-year contract period? Phones from two years ago are ancient. The longest I've had a phone since my Treo is like 8 months with my Centro and a year with my BlackBerry Curve 8330.

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Does ANYONE keep their same phones for the entire two-year contract period? Phones from two years ago are ancient. The longest I've had a phone since my Treo is like 8 months with my Centro and a year with my BlackBerry Curve 8330.
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OFF TOPIC
You mean does anyone ON HERE keep their phones for 2 years. Several people at my job still carry razors. DOH!!!
Funny thing is..they get better signals in our lab area than any other phone.
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myth_mn said:
When you add a line, upgrade, or purchase new service you have to option to purchase the phone at a discounted price but with a contract. If you have a phone already, or buy it without the discount a contract is not required.
I've moved back to Sprint in the pass using an old phone without any contracts.
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This goes against everything I've read in other forums:
http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1647582
And several Sprint CSR's have said a new customer needs to sign up with a 2 year contract.

Hurry up Microsoft/VZW, I want my WP7!

I want a WP7 so badly on Verizon. To have all my services (Xbox Live, Zune Pass, Netflix) on one phone is what I have been waiting for years now. Since I don't want to miss out on hacking I probably will get a Android tablet this year. But yeah hurry up VZW!

wait for it...
you'll want to wait for some upgrades so you can use data and voice at the same time...
imagine the buyers remorse of all those iphone users in a month or so...

I may be the minority but I barely talk on my phone and I use it all the time
Hang in there for a little while longer. I'm a live/zunepass user as well and having everything in one device has been great. If I want to send a message on xblive I just use the phone rather than the controller. You already know how great zunepass is, now I have one less device to carry.
Soon it will be yours!

CDMA support is in this coming update and the phones will be released shortly after. I think you will be seeing it sooner rather than later.

I want a WINDOW PHONE 7 NOW NOT 6 MONTHS FROM NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, I was yelling !!!!

DavidinCT said:
I want a WINDOW PHONE 7 NOW NOT 6 MONTHS FROM NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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How about six days? They are clearly not going to release a WP7 phone for Verizon in six months. It will be WAY earlier.

don't be in such a rush. i was at tmobile and verizon last night in the mall and both are just pushing android devices. verizon is also advertising the heck out of the iphone now.
tmobile only had one hd7 out and they told me it is not selling well at all. they didn't even have the dell venue at all.
i got to play with the hd7 and while the design is great the os lacks very much. too simple for a high end user and tweaker such as myself.

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CDMA support is in this coming update and the phones will be released shortly after. I think you will be seeing it sooner rather than later.
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verizon will push droid & the iphone, trust me.

canadariot2312 said:
How about six days? They are clearly not going to release a WP7 phone for Verizon in six months. It will be WAY earlier.
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Trust me, I have been keeping up with the news...
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/2032404-post11.html
My post.
Everything so far points to before the end of Feb (before/after the Cut&paste update comes) but, other reports say by then end of Jan. Others say any day now. So, no one has a phuck'n clue so far. No one is saying anything nor even hinting. I even have people in 5 Verizon stores who will text me when they know something and they don't know anything as of yet.
I'm sure by at least mid Feb we'll have one or at least know when we will get one.
I'll take one in 6 days if you can prove it.

Verizon WP7 by summer. IPhone will rule.

My bet is that Sprint will release a WP7 phone before Verizon.
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tmobile only had one hd7 out and they told me it is not selling well at all. they didn't even have the dell venue at all.
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The Venue Pro is only sold at the Microsoft store (there are only a few nationwide) or by ordering from Dell's website. It has T-Mobile 3G bands and that is about it.
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verizon will push droid & the iphone, trust me.
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Yeah, and AT&T sort of pushed the iPhone. They still sold the BlackBerry Torch upon launch. I think they are pushing WP7 now since they seem to be the only carrier with commercials.

I think Sprint will release their WP7 phone(s) before VZW.
So far, the only phone I've heard that is coming to VZW is the HTC Trophy (?), a super-generic (about) 3.6" touch screen phone.
The only WP7 phone out now that I want is the HTC 7 Pro. That will be coming to Sprint, and my fingers are crossed that VZW picks it up also since there will be a CDMA version already.

crd22 said:
So far, the only phone I've heard that is coming to VZW is the HTC Trophy (?), a super-generic (about) 3.6" touch screen phone.
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I really don't think that Verizon will get the short end of the straw for WP7. Something tells me that they might offer the some sort of Omnia device (maybe the Omnia with the keyboard). But I am just guessing because they offered Samsung Omnia phones in the past.

ohgood said:
you'll want to wait for some upgrades so you can use data and voice at the same time...
imagine the buyers remorse of all those iphone users in a month or so...
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and how often does that come up??? And most times I try, even on 3g, if I wasn't already using the data, it tells me that I can't because I'm not on 3g (even though I am). There's a reason verizon is number 1, consistent data and voice services that don't cut out on you.
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don't be in such a rush. i was at tmobile and verizon last night in the mall and both are just pushing android devices. verizon is also advertising the heck out of the iphone now.
tmobile only had one hd7 out and they told me it is not selling well at all. they didn't even have the dell venue at all.
i got to play with the hd7 and while the design is great the os lacks very much. too simple for a high end user and tweaker such as myself.
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ummm, no DVP's in t-mobile locations, only at MS stores (what are there, like 2 of those in the whole country) and online through dell and MS.

crd22 said:
I think Sprint will release their WP7 phone(s) before VZW.
So far, the only phone I've heard that is coming to VZW is the HTC Trophy (?), a super-generic (about) 3.6" touch screen phone.
The only WP7 phone out now that I want is the HTC 7 Pro. That will be coming to Sprint, and my fingers are crossed that VZW picks it up also since there will be a CDMA version already.
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http://mobilitydigest.com/windows-phone-7-updates-from-ces-2011/
A Quote:
· Look for the HTC Mozart and the Samsung Omnia to be the two launch CDMA devices. It’s unclear as to whether both will be available on Sprint and Verizon, but the devices are confirmed for the respective launches.
Nothing about the Trophy or Pro 7 on launch, but, take this with a grain of salt... Who knows for sure.

DavidinCT said:
Nothing about the Trophy or Pro 7 on launch, but, take this with a grain of salt... Who knows for sure.
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The Pro 7 has a Sprint logo on the top next to the speaker.

[Q] No Galaxy Nexus for AT&T?

i have seen the t-mobile thread but no mention of att. do any of you smart fellas know:
1. is this phone coming to att and
2. will it have lte (dealbreaker for me as i'm looking to the future)?
3. if no to either of the previous, how can i convince my girl to leave att for verizon when she gets a discount at att?
edit: and yes i have googled and read for days...

Unlocked version will work on atnt. Why convince your girl to pay more with a crappy company just so you can get a phone? How would you like it if she convinced a guy to get with her and leave you because he had bigger....discount?
I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.

I'm on ATT as well and to be honest with you i've saved my pennies and am waiting for the unlocked version to come to US. If the nexus comes to att it wont be for a while. I also doubt that there will be an ATT LTE version of this phone. And thats not a deal breaker as there is no LTE coverage in my area from either of the big two US providers and I dont expect it anytime soon.

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i have seen the t-mobile thread but no mention of att. do any of you smart fellas know:
1. is this phone coming to att and
2. will it have lte (dealbreaker for me as i'm looking to the future)?
3. if no to either of the previous, how can i convince my girl to leave att for verizon when she gets a discount at att?
edit: and yes i have googled and read for days...
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I dont know who your girlfriend works for but alot of companies like mine have discounts on all the carriers

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Unlocked version will work on atnt. Why convince your girl to pay more with a crappy company just so you can get a phone? How would you like it if she convinced a guy to get with her and leave you because he had bigger....discount?
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i don't want to go to verizon by any means, and i have little fear of my girl finding a bigger...discount, lol. assuming the unlocked version has lte that works, i am fine with that.
arvest, altimax, and only att...
att "claims" that it will be rolling out to 55% of the nation by end of 2012 and 80+% by 2013. i'm pretty sure i'm in there and thinking you maybe as well unless your a hilljack...

Houston is supposed to be lit up but i could care less. Lte battery life is horrendous. Its still early tech. And hspa+ is plenty fast as is and can be turned up faster and still do faster and better on battery than current lte. Lte phone probably wont be on my radar for at least two years. In the meantime, i hope the nexus can hold up for ~2 years.
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chaosjh said:
assuming the unlocked version has lte that works, i am fine with that.
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No, the unlocked version does not have LTE. You'd be getting the HSPA+ version for use on AT&T. The only LTE version is CDMA/LTE for Verizon.
If you stay with AT&T, you surely won't be disappointed with the HSPA+ speeds.

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No, the unlocked version does not have LTE. You'd be getting the HSPA+ version for use on AT&T. The only LTE version is CDMA/LTE for Verizon.
If you stay with AT&T, you surely won't be disappointed with the HSPA+ speeds.
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i have the atrix, i know what hspa+ can do and it's fine. i'm starting to think it may just be better to wait for a ics handset next year, i have just always wanted a nexus and thought this was finally my chance, but i'm not gonna pay 800 bucks for a phone and not even get tech that will last over 6 months. sigh...such a beautiful phone though...pure...google...sob

AT& T gets (officially) nexii a few months later, so with patience LTE MAY be a reality (come spring). I personally think this is reinforced by the rumors/leaks of a US Cellular (who hasn't even began 4G LTE rollout- unless they cut a roaming agreement with Verizon) LTE GN.
Yes the unlocked HSPA+ one will work, but i think there is a reason why Verizon is the "exclusive launch" for the LTE version, and not just the exclusive carrier of the LTE version... I think there is a reason why that wording was chosen.
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chaosjh said:
i have the atrix, i know what hspa+ can do and it's fine. i'm starting to think it may just be better to wait for a ics handset next year, i have just always wanted a nexus and thought this was finally my chance, but i'm not gonna pay 800 bucks for a phone and not even get tech that will last over 6 months. sigh...such a beautiful phone though...pure...google...sob
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I'm assuming you're indicating that your only option would be importing a phone? I'd just wait a couple weeks and see if it will be available unlocked in the US. If it is, then you'll be able to pick one up under $600, and won't have to import.
As far as AT&T carrying it with a subsidy, I wouldn't put too much stock in that. I don't see it happening.

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i have the atrix, i know what hspa+ can do and it's fine. i'm starting to think it may just be better to wait for a ics handset next year, i have just always wanted a nexus and thought this was finally my chance, but i'm not gonna pay 800 bucks for a phone and not even get tech that will last over 6 months. sigh...such a beautiful phone though...pure...google...sob
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I feel ya, I recently glanced through sprint's plans and pricing and am considering switching over. Hope they get a Nexus phone XD.

systoxity said:
I feel ya, I recently glanced through sprint's plans and pricing and am considering switching over. Hope they get a Nexus phone XD.
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Ugh. I used to be with Sprint. Their plans are nice, but their coverage really isn't great, their 3G is abysmally slow, and their WiMax (even when you can get it) isn't worth the battery drain.

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I'm assuming you're indicating that your only option would be importing a phone? I'd just wait a couple weeks and see if it will be available unlocked in the US. If it is, then you'll be able to pick one up under $600, and won't have to import.
As far as AT&T carrying it with a subsidy, I wouldn't put too much stock in that. I don't see it happening.
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I'm assuming importing would be the quicker option as i don't see the US getting an unlocked version until verizon is done with it and by then other phones (quadcores) will be sporting ics and it won't matter. i want 4.0 pure and would prefer lte for the future but i don't see myself getting that this month unless i import. do you think differently?

I have to be honest...Im truly shocked it wasnt ATT trying to get exclusivity going.
They seemed Android lusty after iphone went to VZ. Dont know why they wouldnt go after the GN.

chaosjh said:
I'm assuming importing would be the quicker option as i don't see the US getting an unlocked version until verizon is done with it and by then other phones (quadcores) will be sporting ics and it won't matter. i want 4.0 pure and would prefer lte for the future but i don't see myself getting that this month unless i import. do you think differently?
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What I'm saying is we really don't know... anything. So just hang out a couple more weeks and see. Don't make some decision based on rumor and speculation. I don't see VZW having a long exclusivity (if any). I also don't see other carriers picking it up for subsidy. There's no money in the Nexus program (compared to made-for-carriers locked handsets with carrier bloat and control). I do see it coming to the US unlocked very soon though. Google has no reason not to.

xManMythLegend said:
I have to be honest...Im truly shocked it wasnt ATT trying to get exclusivity going.
They seemed Android lusty after iphone went to VZ. Dont know why they wouldnt go after the GN.
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i wish they would do what samsung has done with the galaxy s line. actually i wish they would all do this. the galaxy s is on all carriers (although with a few changes as the carriers feel they want to buy to be different). this approach is the start of one of androids biggest problems, splintering. if motorola, samsung, sony, and google gave all the carriers the droid, galaxy, ericson/expieria, and nexus lines to all carriers, splintering would be less of a problem. but carriers are to greedy and spend millions for exclusive rights on lines instead of puuting money into projects worthy of such funds (um, 4g). i am glad ics unifies android a bit more but i am still certain that hardware will still have to be worked with in order to work right that's why i think the gnexus has tried and true hardware instead of the latest and greatest...which is why i want the phone so bad. here is to the future of only a handful of android devices, one of the few things apple almost got right.

Speculation on AT&T
THIS IS PURE SPECULATION AND INTERPOLATION FROM THE PREVIOUS RELATIONSHIPS OF AT&T AND THE NEXUS LINE
I am going to go ahead and call that there will be an official AT&T LTE model in as early as about two months, but no later than 6 months- with 5-6 months being more likely. (Sadly this seems like it will be well past the GN's industry-driving moment)
Path to this ASSUMPTION:
There was an official AT&T banded Nexus One launched 71 days after the T-mo version.
There was an official AT&T banded Nexus S launched 231 days after the T-mo one.
There has been a (possibly fake) leak of an LTE version on a regional carrier that has not focused on LTE (to my knowledge) yet- If there is a possibility it will go to them as LTE why not to a carrier that has (limited) LTE now? (also, as I acknowledge in an earlier post this is probably through a roaming agreement on Verizon's LTE network, but US Cellular would still have to market/talk about/make a big deal about it, and the fact that they haven't really hyped it tells me that it isn't ready yet)
AT&T's network arrived earlier than originally thought- phones on it were planned originally for 2012, as per their comments to questions at the Atrix4G announcement last winter. We now have two phones launched on the network. I am not saying they sped up network development for the GN (far from it- AT&T seems to hate the Nexii), but the network has been sped up and is now in place for the GN to take advantage of.
I say that 5-6 months is more likely because of three reasons:
Statistically (which if you know about statistics, this doesn't mean much), the average delay time (from device launch to AT&T specific launch) is 151 days.
AT&T does not trust/like having unlocked developer/Nexus devices in the hands of the masses on their network (they have lightened up on this somewhat lately), and so will push off the launch of an official GN as long as they can (as they have done).
Like the Nexus S (which had a delay time of 231 days), the GN is made by Samsung who seem to take a little while getting US phones out the door, and so the AT&T model will probably see a similar delay as the AT&T NS.
I should also add that I don't think AT&T has ever subsidized a Nexus phone- so don't expect them to with this one either. Like I said, they seem to hate the prospect of these unlocked developer phones running around on their network. Funny thing is, I have three friends who work for AT&T and all of them have the Nexus S, and they tell me all the time how much the engineers hate them having "open" devices. Craziness.
Hate on me if you want for feeding the speculation fire, but this is how I see it playing out. And honestly, despite my initial disappointment, I think I am fine with a wait time like that. I hope I'm wrong on it, but it will be fine.

s.m.knipe said:
THIS IS PURE SPECULATION AND INTERPOLATION FROM THE PREVIOUS RELATIONSHIPS OF AT&T AND THE NEXUS LINE
I am going to go ahead and call that there will be an official AT&T LTE model in as early as about two months, but no later than 6 months- with 5-6 months being more likely. (Sadly this seems like it will be well past the GN's industry-driving moment)
Path to this ASSUMPTION:
There was an official AT&T banded Nexus One launched 71 days after the T-mo version.
There was an official AT&T banded Nexus S launched 231 days after the T-mo one.
There has been a (possibly fake) leak of an LTE version on a regional carrier that has not focused on LTE (to my knowledge) yet- If there is a possibility it will go to them as LTE why not to a carrier that has (limited) LTE now? (also, as I acknowledge in an earlier post this is probably through a roaming agreement on Verizon's LTE network, but US Cellular would still have to market/talk about/make a big deal about it, and the fact that they haven't really hyped it tells me that it isn't ready yet)
AT&T's network arrived earlier than originally thought- phones on it were planned originally for 2012, as per their comments to questions at the Atrix4G announcement last winter. We now have two phones launched on the network. I am not saying they sped up network development for the GN (far from it- AT&T seems to hate the Nexii), but the network has been sped up and is now in place for the GN to take advantage of.
I say that 5-6 months is more likely because of three reasons:
Statistically (which if you know about statistics, this doesn't mean much), the average delay time (from device launch to AT&T specific launch) is 151 days.
AT&T does not trust/like having unlocked developer/Nexus devices in the hands of the masses on their network (they have lightened up on this somewhat lately), and so will push off the launch of an official GN as long as they can (as they have done).
Like the Nexus S (which had a delay time of 231 days), the GN is made by Samsung who seem to take a little while getting US phones out the door, and so the AT&T model will probably see a similar delay as the AT&T NS.
I should also add that I don't think AT&T has ever subsidized a Nexus phone- so don't expect them to with this one either. Like I said, they seem to hate the prospect of these unlocked developer phones running around on their network. Funny thing is, I have three friends who work for AT&T and all of them have the Nexus S, and they tell me all the time how much the engineers hate them having "open" devices. Craziness.
Hate on me if you want for feeding the speculation fire, but this is how I see it playing out. And honestly, despite my initial disappointment, I think I am fine with a wait time like that. I hope I'm wrong on it, but it will be fine.
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Ant never had a 'branded' nexus device is just compatible release of the phone.
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Ant never had a 'branded' nexus device is just compatible release of the phone.
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Yeah, that's why I said "banded" not "branded"

Oops. Whistles and walks away.
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[INFO] Status of Galaxy Nexus U.S.

UPDATE: The Verge has a hands on with the Verizon Nexus. Should be out later this month.
Source:http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/3/2...ands-on?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
UPDATE: Here's a video of the VZW Nexus, rumored for a Dec 11 BestBuy Launch. Bootloader UNLOCKED
Source:http://youtu.be/iPzoSgTYxc4
UPDATE: Droid-Life has press shots of the VZW Nexus, eat your heart out.
Source: http://www.droid-life.com/2011/11/30/official-verizon-galaxy-nexus-press-shots-revealed/
UPDATE: Droid-Life has an interesting comparison chart which pegs the LTE Nexus coming in a 32GB flavor with "no OEM customization". Although it's nothing new, it does confirm a few things. Also, bear in mind carrier apps are NOT an OEM skin, so they might still be present.
Source: http://www.droid-life.com/2011/11/2...y-nexus-as-a-phone-with-no-oem-customization/
UPDATE: Droid-Life and other sites have gotten seen an ad for the LTE Nexus and it appears to have a $199.99 price tag. While some people assume that this is the price for the 16GB LTE Nexus, I feel that this is going to be the price of the 32GB version, as it lacks an SD card. As stated before, many LTE Nexus testers are denying that VZW is going to release a 16GB version, and this also coincides with what review sites are saying as well. Also, NegriElectronics have stated that they have heard from an inside VZW source that they will have a shipment to sell on Dec 9th. This means that VZW will have it at the latest by this date and maybe earlier, refuting the claim that it has a Dec 8th release date.
Source: http://www.droid-life.com/2011/11/2...xus-for-199-on-black-friday-according-to-ads/
UPDATE: The Picture of the LTE Nexus can be seen on droid-life.com. It's back in black.
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/11/23/thickness-comparison-lte-vs-gsm-galaxy-nexus/#more-53902
UPDATE: The LTE Model of the Nexus is now running 4.0.2 as reported by P3Droid (VERY reputable insider who actually has an LTE Nexus at this time). It is unclear on if it's just a bugfix or if it makes the phone faster. Leaning toward bugfixes considering it's a small jump.
UPDATE: The phone will be released in December, NOT 11/27 or 12/1 as reported by some. Also, the "Ghost Volume Bug" does NOT occur on the LTE Nexus so far, and does not occur on the GSM Nexus in the States either (900mHz bug as stated in the other threads).
Alright, I know many are wondering what is happening with this screwed up launch and why the Galaxy Nexus is taking so long to arrive here in the states, so I thought I would consolidate all the information in one thread.
First, I would like to address the LTE Nexus.
This phone IS CONFIRMED to arrive in a 32GB flavor and be exclusive to Verizon in the states. Now, considering that Verizon has no Galaxy S2 variant of their own, it is almost 100% likely that they made a deal with Google. The reason Google agreed to it was simply for the LTE hookup, because Verizon is the only carrier with "4G" and Sprint is dumping their WiMAX.
The official page @ http://www.google.com/nexus/#/tech-specs has seemed to confuse a bunch of people, as it now only says 16GB for all models, but this is probably incorrect. Firstly, it erroneously states "Varies" on Network, when it's a confirmed Verizon Exclusive, at least for the LTE/CDMA variant.
Now, for why it is delayed:
This seems to be a collaborative failure on both Google and Verizon's part. black_man_x (a very connected mobile phone insider) says:
Not placing the blame all on Verizon.. there are screw ups on both sides.
but it looks to be much more on Verizon's end than Google and Samsung's
If you can't code your ****ty carrier apps to work with a device or OS.. is that our issue or yours? #justsaying
to be honest everyone is tired of vzw bull****. device is no longer a nexus due to their dumb ass games.. Unlocked works great on att..
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I'm tired of these "technical issue" rumors about the nexus delay.. Should just bring back the google.Com/phone address back
to back up the storage, he actually tested the 32GB LTE model and says there is no 16GB option for VZW:
As for the storage question.. would vzw release a cheaper less mem model and still charge the same amount? Does that answer your question?
So, with that being said, don't hold your breath on Verizon. They're the first carrier to actually put branding all over the Nexus line, so much so that they REMOVED the "Google" logo entirely for their logo.
So, Verizon faithfuls and hopefuls, what's your take on this whole launch fiasco?

Waiting is annoying but its not like Verizon themselves came out and said it's coming out and specific date so it really hasn't been pushed back

True you can't push back what was never announced but that's just a Catch-22 and is complete BS to me.

I'm on Verizon right now with my Droid Charge. I really really want this phone, but verizon seems to be screwing everything up. As the days go on, it's making me want this phone less and less because I don't want to support Verizon for all their messed up policies and actions.

That sounds about how I expected the situation. VZW screwing things up and trying to take control, Google letting it happen because they have no other LTE option.

I mean, I would understand the need to test the phone, but come on! It's been announced since forever and I don't want the LTE version, just the GSM version. They should have done it like the Nexus S and released the CDMA 4G version later.
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If the above is true... Gotta wonder if the 32gb version was part of a Vzn negotiated deal to encourage sales to buyers of unlocked devices. In any event 32gb unlocked devices should be available.
With the way Vzn has honked things up, I can only hope the clock is ticking on Vzn's exclusivity.

You should have an option for "want LTE but not on Verizon" - AT&T (crappy as they can be, I know) have what, 11 cities now with LTE and an "aggressive" rollout for it in 2012? I'd rather have an LTE GN on AT&T- were this a perfect world, but I am sure they would try to bloat it just the same... [no Verizon 3G or 4G officially here in the eastern panhandle of WV]

I sure hope it comes out soon before the verizon double data promotion expires. I really don't like Verizon but they have the best coverage and data speeds in my area, plus 4G LTE.

spencer88 said:
I sure hope it comes out soon before the verizon double data promotion expires. I really don't like Verizon but they have the best coverage and data speeds in my area, plus 4G LTE.
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Im right there with you. T-mo has a lot of black holes in places i go in chicago lately, and my with my wife's corp. discount, verizon will be $1 more per month for basically the same plan. I'm ready to switch if they would just release it already.

fdm1 said:
Im right there with you. T-mo has a lot of black holes in places i go in chicago lately, and my with my wife's corp. discount, verizon will be $1 more per month for basically the same plan. I'm ready to switch if they would just release it already.
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I also forgot to mention that I would get a 19 percent discount with my employer, so that makes the basic 4 GB (double data plan) like 70 something dollars, which I pay for now like 84 unlimited data with sprint (although unusable data because sprint sucks right now). I'll probably opt for the 10 gig plan because I plan on using the hell out of the 4G when I get it.

As a VZW customer I hate all of this. I've never had to go through anything like this with other carriers but, admittedly; I've never waited on a phone before it launched. All my previous nexus phones were with T-mobile and, I bought them after release.
It's pretty frustrating but, there's nothing I can do about it. I don't actually need a new phone like some people. However, I do wish I had stayed with T-mobile, if I had; the Galaxy nexus would be on it's way from Handtec now. I also had great service with T-mobile in my city and, the HSPA+ was really fast.

Those of you switching to Verizon I simply cannot fathom a tiered data plan on LTE. That's just insane to me.

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You should have an option for "want LTE but not on Verizon" - AT&T (crappy as they can be, I know) have what, 11 cities now with LTE and an "aggressive" rollout for it in 2012? I'd rather have an LTE GN on AT&T- were this a perfect world, but I am sure they would try to bloat it just the same... [no Verizon 3G or 4G officially here in the eastern panhandle of WV]
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AT&T LTE is so far out from being widespread that the Nexus 4 will be out by then, along with the GS3 and HTC's "we-ran-out-of-names, with BEATS audio".
Don't get me wrong, I was dying for a GSM/LTE model, but it wouldn't be practical now.
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Those of you switching to Verizon I simply cannot fathom a tiered data plan on LTE. That's just insane to me.
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Well this is my situation right now: I can either switch to Verizon and have usable, high speed, capped data. Or I can stay with Sprint and have unlimited, unusable data.

spencer88 said:
Well this is my situation right now: I can either switch to Verizon and have usable, high speed, capped data. Or I can stay with Sprint and have unlimited, unusable data.
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That's about where I'm at, except with a ****ty old HTC Hero also.

Damn guys that just stinks. No way around that one.

bmstrong said:
Damn guys that just stinks. No way around that one.
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Yeah no kidding. Ever since 2010 the service has just gotten worse. I mean Sprint is going to improve and by the end of 2013 they (in theory) will have the best LTE and 3G network, I just don't want to pay for the unusable service until then. Hopefully it will be unlimited still.
At this point I'm just tired paying 80+ bucks a month for a service I'm not getting.

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Yeah no kidding. Ever since 2010 the service has just gotten worse. I mean Sprint is going to improve and by the end of 2013 they (in theory) will have the best LTE and 3G network, I just don't want to pay for the unusable service until then. Hopefully it will be unlimited still.
At this point I'm just tired paying 80+ bucks a month for a service I'm not getting.
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lol "best" LTE and 3G is a joke. They won't ever be best because they don't have the funding to be the best. They need to stop thinking they can actually compete with Verizon and AT&T. They could have the best service in the world, but they don't have, and can't get, the numbers required to be the best.

Just have your work pay for your Verizon line like I do.
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