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AT&T might not actually be getting the TP2(fortress)?

Hey guys First post. and i wanted it to be good so here we go. I was looking around on some sites to see if there is any new word on the release date or anything, cause my phone is really outdated. So i stopped by Wmexperts.com and reading some HTC stuff, and came across an article(end) and it said that US Cellular shows rebates and stuff for the Touch Pro 2. Well, only 4 passed the FCC, and thats one sprint verizon tmobile and a ______. Well would this be true if it shows rebates, will AT&T ever get the TP2?
http://www.wmexperts.com/touch-pro-2-snap-headed-us-cellular

Colin I can't see at&t being the only carrier not to have the TP2.
Anyways, here's a post that shows an at&t variant of the TP2 clearing the FCC: http://www.wmexperts.com/touch-pro-2-att-passes-fcc .

mrbaro said:
Colin I can't see at&t being the only carrier not to have the TP2.
Anyways, here's a post that shows an at&t variant of the TP2 clearing the FCC: http://www.wmexperts.com/touch-pro-2-att-passes-fcc .
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Just because ATT clears FCC with this phone doesn't mean it'll happen... If memory serves me right, ATT had the Samsung i900 cleared to go last year, also, and that didn't happen
But not saying the TP2 won't happen, either...

ok, i have seen these posts before, but did the FCC say that that specific one would be AT&T's model to be sold on the shelfs?

it doesn't make any sense that ATT would miss out on the TP2. we shouldn't look into this too much. ATT will be getting their variant of the TP2. we just need to be patient [:

mrbaro said:
Colin I can't see at&t being the only carrier not to have the TP2.
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really? I can. They are the only ones getting the new iphone and with all their sights set on it, i wouldn't be surprised at all if they ignored the Touch Pro completely. Give how many iPhone users their are, and how many would jump on the upgrade, id say they dont see the TP2 as much of a thing to bother with, while the other carriers Need it just to compete with the iPhone.

Lyian said:
really? I can. They are the only ones getting the new iphone and with all their sights set on it, i wouldn't be surprised at all if they ignored the Touch Pro completely. Give how many iPhone users their are, and how many would jump on the upgrade, id say they dont see the TP2 as much of a thing to bother with, while the other carriers Need it just to compete with the iPhone.
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for most AT&T customers on these forums, I hope you are wrong lyian...
in my eyes, the TP2 will completely overshadow the iPhone, regardless of how fast the 3GS is.
and, knowing ATT, they would be remiss if they didn't pick up the TP2. I mean cmon, they could make much more money with both the TP2 and the iPhone on their store shelves.

poppinpengawen said:
for most AT&T customers on these forums, I hope you are wrong lyian...
in my eyes, the TP2 will completely overshadow the iPhone, regardless of how fast the 3GS is.
and, knowing ATT, they would be remiss if they didn't pick up the TP2. I mean cmon, they could make much more money with both the TP2 and the iPhone on their store shelves.
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Oh i hope im wrong too, but its hard for me to think i can be. But understand all this that ive said is only from my perspective. I live in a college town, and i swear if i had a dollar for every iPhone i saw on campus every single day id be a very rich man. Two of my friends alone have them and they arnt students! iPhones are Every dam where over here. So for atleast the ATT stores here, the iPhone is king, much as i hate that idea.
I will say tho, that when i went into best buy to get a charger, i showed the cellphone guy my phone and he was like "ah HTC, yea, they're about the only phones worth running Windows Mobile on these days" hehe i just smiled

Remember the rumor involving the Barium? Hmm.... I would get the more featured OmniaPro before an ATT phone that doesn't tilt, even w/o 3G!

I have to agree with Lyian on this one. At my college some students doing a statistics project about cell phones found out that over 61% of the campus was using some sort of iPhone (2G-3G) and that another 20% or so were using a LG envy of some sort. I found this to not so surprising. I myself am using the iPhone (I know I know). I gave up on my old HTC 8525 due to the sluggishness of windows mobile. But now that I see the overhaul HTC has done with their Touch Interface, I really want one bad.
I popped into the ATT Shop yesterday and asked all the clerks and even asked to speak to the manager if they had any word on the HTC Touch Pro 2 or code-name ATT Fortress and they hadn't the slightest idea what I was talking about. Instead they kept showing me over to the iPhone 3G S and trying to get me to buy that instead (I told them I was looking to upgrade)
With ATT having the iPhone (and just getting the 3G S) they really is no need for them to push this phone out anytime soon. Maybe the 'changes' they will make to the phone will be there as to not overshadow their signature phone
Maybe I should just get the 2G TP2...

but they have released both the tilt and fuze; both of which were released along side the iphone. why would they stop now? i really believe that at&t markets these phones to two completely different markets; the fun young crowd (iphone) and the more business oriented customers (touch pro2). at&t has released an updated htc device every october/november. i dont see this being any different.

omaralt said:
why would they stop now?
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two reasons.
1. With each iPhone release, the sale of that model phone has been better than the last. Im sure the 3gs will outsell the 3g. At first they were all about the HTC phones, then the iPhone came out, and while they may have been holding on to the HTC phones as a 'just in case', they likely feel pretty secure in their sales of the iPhone and dont have to worry about it not being a good seller.
2. Apple is making more business like apps available to try to merge into that selling market as well. Now they arnt nearly as flexible as something on a Winmo(especially with the limited interface of the iPhone) but thats not the point, and i doubt ATT cares much.
I bet if you look at the HTC phones vs the iPhone sales, their would be a major difference. Perhaps they so much more potential profit from the 3gs release, that they don't see a need to bother with the Pro2
But who knows.. All any of us can do is wait and see what ATT ends up doing.

But I don't understand why at&t would care? Either way they're making money, the data plan is the same price, why not offer both and give more options to their customers? makes no sense for them not to carry it, and I'm almost sure they will carry it. However its probably not gonna hit till october...

Lyian said:
two reasons.
1. With each iPhone release, the sale of that model phone has been better than the last. Im sure the 3gs will outsell the 3g. At first they were all about the HTC phones, then the iPhone came out, and while they may have been holding on to the HTC phones as a 'just in case', they likely feel pretty secure in their sales of the iPhone and dont have to worry about it not being a good seller.
2. Apple is making more business like apps available to try to merge into that selling market as well. Now they arnt nearly as flexible as something on a Winmo(especially with the limited interface of the iPhone) but thats not the point, and i doubt ATT cares much.
I bet if you look at the HTC phones vs the iPhone sales, their would be a major difference. Perhaps they so much more potential profit from the 3gs release, that they don't see a need to bother with the Pro2
But who knows.. All any of us can do is wait and see what ATT ends up doing.
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At least two people from xda have seen it, so I don't think this thread is meaningful anymore.
Besides, the assumption made is questionable, since U.S. Cellular is on CDMA, not GSM

omaralt said:
But I don't understand why at&t would care? Either way they're making money, the data plan is the same price, why not offer both and give more options to their customers? makes no sense for them not to carry it, and I'm almost sure they will carry it. However its probably not gonna hit till october...
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well, they have to buy the phones from HTC.. and if they dont sell, then they lost money...

What's the likelihood of T-Mo being 1 of the carriers for WP7 in the fall?

we've all seen the GSM WP7 phones made for ATT... but no TMo luv?
has TMo gone completely to the droid side? i know they have a HTC one for Droid out in the fall w/keyb... but no WP7 love from Tmo?

I don't see why they wouldn't get a phone from someone for the release. They still were the only ones to get the HD2 and such in the US.

its been rumored they're getting the dell lightning.

and the htc mozart

I'd say the odds are >95%. We've seent he mozart/shubert leaks with the release date on the leaked roadmap. WP7 sure seems like it's headed for all 4 carriers. AT&T claiming to be the premier carrier just seems like a lame cry because they are losing iPhone exclusivity.

At this point seeing the launch hardware I say T-Mo (US at least) and other US carriers wont get more than 1 device and that will be in the back of the store while they steer people to their android handsets.

So far zero WP7 phones have been noticed going through the FCC with tmo's bands. All of the phones that have been actually photographed are ATT phones.
So right now it's looking bad.

vHatch said:
I'd say the odds are >95%. We've seent he mozart/shubert leaks with the release date on the leaked roadmap. WP7 sure seems like it's headed for all 4 carriers. AT&T claiming to be the premier carrier just seems like a lame cry because they are losing iPhone exclusivity.
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according to sprint they are not planning on carrying wp7 anytime soon.

efjay said:
At this point seeing the launch hardware I say T-Mo (US at least) and other US carriers wont get more than 1 device and that will be in the back of the store while they steer people to their android handsets.
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+1
android is the hot seller for sprint, verizon & t-mobile.

im jus hoping verizon gets one im eligible to upgrade right now and im looking to get one of these wp7 phones

deadwrong03 said:
im jus hoping verizon gets one im eligible to upgrade right now and im looking to get one of these wp7 phones
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i don't think they are coming at all this year. maybe next year perhaps? i do know sprint & verizon are hell bent on android right now. plus verizon is strongly rumored to get the iphone in january, i don't think they will give two ****s about wp7. the only windows phone t-mobile currently carries is the hd2 and with the g2 just announced, well you see what direction they are heading. winmo was never a huge seller for these carriers in the first place. mostly business & corporate gurus used them.

As long as the Dell Lightning is released as rumoured in an AWS compatible version I will be happy, I prefer to buy unlocked anyway, carrier lockin doesnt work for me.

efjay said:
As long as the Dell Lightning is released as rumoured in an AWS compatible version I will be happy, I prefer to buy unlocked anyway, carrier lockin doesnt work for me.
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that's 'IF' these phones can be unlocked at all?

JediFonger said:
we've all seen the GSM WP7 phones made for ATT... but no TMo luv?
has TMo gone completely to the droid side? i know they have a HTC one for Droid out in the fall w/keyb... but no WP7 love from Tmo?
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There was an interview with a tmo big wig thats said pretty much that. Hopefully they have sold enough tp2 & hd2s to realize wm is not completely dead. Im in no rush for wp7 os but I would like an wp7 hardware for a tp3 with wm6.

markus_del_marko said:
i don't think they will give two ****s about wp7.
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You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about...

blaiz123 said:
You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about...
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actually yes i do, i personally know several corporate gurus with sprint & verizon. they have no plans on a wp7 device this year. i heard the only carrier so far is at&t and i think their getting it because they are loosing the iphone exclusivity to verison early next year. you don't believe me, do some google searching. the customer base right now wants android & iphone, not winmo.
the so called "we want wp7" petitions they have right now are very, very small in fan base. palm & blackberry will fall off the radar soon too if these companies do not step up to the plate. i work on phones & 95% of those phones i service or unlock are droids. two years ago winmo had a larger fan base, most devs have moved to android.

pimppoet said:
There was an interview with a tmo big wig thats said pretty much that. Hopefully they have sold enough tp2 & hd2s to realize wm is not completely dead. Im in no rush for wp7 os but I would like an wp7 hardware for a tp3 with wm6.
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and t-mobile is smart in doing soo. i hope at&t jumps on the droid bandwagon too. droid is the hot seller right now, that's until something else comes along better and i don't think wp7 is that device.
the t-mobile g2 that was just announced will be solid.

markus_del_marko said:
actually yes i do, i personally know several corporate gurus with sprint & verizon. they have no plans on a wp7 device this year. i heard the only carrier so far is at&t and i think their getting it because they are loosing the iphone exclusivity to verison early next year. you don't believe me, do some google searching. the customer base right now wants android & iphone, not winmo.
the so called "we want wp7" petitions they have right now are very, very small in fan base. palm & blackberry will fall off the radar soon too if these companies do not step up soon. i work on phones man, 95% of the phones i service or unlock are droids. two years ago winmo had a larger fan base, most devs and creators moved to android.
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markus_del_marko said:
and t-mobile is smart in doing soo. i hope at&t jumps on the droid bandwagon too. droid is the hot seller right now, that's until something else comes along better and i don't think wp7 is that device.
the t-mobile g2 that was just announced will be a solid device.
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What you're saying is correct for right now, but what you don't seem to understand is the fact that WP7 is not even out on the market yet. It's not a finished product, whereas, Android and IOS are already out on the market
and they have an established consumer base. Obviously, the Cellphone giants are going to invest their money into the proven product (just like you keep saying over and over again...) but that DOESN'T mean that WP7 is a "terrible" product, it only means that it hasn't been given a chance to prove its worth. Give WP7 6-12 months, and you'll see that your assumptions about the product were ignorant and premature. As far as AT&T goes, the loss of Iphone exclusive rights might have something to do with their huge investment in WP7. However, it also has to do with the fact that they are giving Microsoft a chance because they know that there is a consumer base for their product, and that they have the potential to take over a great amount of the market. Pessimists like yourself just want to stick to what they feel safe with and won't acknowledge that there may be better devices out there other than a non-customizable glitter phone for conformed snobs who think whatever is in demand is what they should buy, and a search engine phone, whose company thinks it's high-tech just because it calls it's phone's UI Android but still can't get rid of it's touchscreen lagging after 2 years on the market... Get a grip mate and stop writing ridiculous comments about a product that you have "researched" through some fanboy blog that you found through google, and that you're not qualified enough to own at this point, much less give advice about...

markus_del_marko said:
that's 'IF' these phones can be unlocked at all?
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There's absolutely no reason why there wont be unlocked versions sold, only in the US is locking people into carriers popular AND so easy, in Europe you walk into a store and buy the phone you want, unlocked and insert your SIM card. Same will be true for WP7 phones.

I don't see why Sprint/Verizon don't get one when they are labeled as Launch Partners with Microsoft. Unless they pulled out for some stupid reason, why in the hell would they not get the phone since they have little to do on their end to support it? HTC makes the phones, Microsoft standardized setup, and people that do not want Android/iPhone/BB/crap phone, will buy it. Sure its an investment but you really think Sprint will not get a 4G version and push it? Sprint does have some good Android stuff, but they do not have the "Droid" market like Verizon and I believe it would be wise to get some 4G WP7 devices and really market around them. It would be stupid not to.

Sprint?

So we already have a thread on T-Mo. Anyone have any in's on the true story of Sprint phones? will we have anything on release day?
My contract expired back in may and I've been biding my time waiting to see WP7...really want to make sure it will be worth my wait, and that Sprint doesn't delay and has quality phones.

Highly doubt you will see any CDMA phones this year.
Just check FCC
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Not to come accross as rude, but is this based on anything, or just guess work on your part?
We didn't know about some of the phones that are filling up the web today (based on FCC Info that was just released) a week ago, seems that the lack of information doesn't prove anything one way or another. If you your reply is more than a guess (and again, not trying to sound rude at all...i just want a Win Phone 7 toy as bad as everyone else), than I'd love to know the source of info, or even the fact that you can't give away the source.
There was the rumored "HTC Gold W" for Sprint...anything coming from that?

There's no reason to think that Sprint won't be carrying a WP7 device at launch, unlike Verizon.

From the things I've read GSM devices will get the 1st crack, and CDMA will come next year. It could just be the rumor-mill though.
I don't mind waiting though. I think I'll wait for Gen 2 or 3 devices. I'm hoping MS gets more chipset drivers coded, I'd like to see SnapDragon vs. Hummingbird vs. Tegra 2.

I wouldn't mind waiting if I wasn't in desperate need of a phone. In 4 months time, I'm on my second Vogue, and it now has a broken USB jack...seems to only charge when plugged into a pc usb port. This would be fine if i didn't have to rely on it for on-call pages overnight.
A lot of recent articles on the HTC Spark, and most claim it's supposed to have CDMA included, so we'll see.

Wanna bet?
No CDMA phones this year. To be honest I really don't know, but if T-MO gets a device first then Sprint won't get it until next year. Its been this way for some reason.
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gom99 said:
From the things I've read GSM devices will get the 1st crack, and CDMA will come next year. It could just be the rumor-mill though.
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I think it's mostly just people talking out of their rear end. The Verizon rumors seem to have teeth but that shouldn't affect Sprint. It's not like a GSM phone will work on all the carriers worldwide anyways. They're pretty much always customized/modified and it really shouldn't be all that different for the OEMs to toss the CDMA radio chip in instead of the GSM chip.
vetvito said:
Wanna bet?
No CDMA phones this year. To be honest I really don't know, but if T-MO gets a device first then Sprint won't get it until next year. Its been this way for some reason.
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What's been this way? Sprint got the Evo 4G. Verizon got the Incredible. The Touch Pro was available on Sprint first in the states.

TMO got WM, year later Sprint got WM.
TMO got Android, year later Sprint got Android.
TMO gets WP7, year later Sprint gets....
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vetvito said:
TMO got WM, year later Sprint got WM.
TMO got Android, year later Sprint got Android.
TMO gets WP7, year later Sprint gets....
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What do events from many, many years ago and different OSes have to do with this? T-Mo got Android before anyone else, worldwide. At this point, there's just as much likelihood for Sprint to get a WP7 device on launch day as T-Mo. Leading the pack seems to be AT&T but there's no reason the others won't as well.
You're just looking at past events and assuming there's a connection to current events. Look at the reasons behind those events and you'll see that they simply don't apply here.

All I know is that a WP7 phone on the Sprint network would be perfect since the advanced hardware can really take advantage of the 4G network

I really believe Sprint would not be stupid enough to not get a WP7 device the minute launch day comes for the US. I do believe GSM gets the first crack since Europe is getting WP7 a month before the US, but after that we already have leaks of HTC based _W phones (World Phones like the Touch Pro 2 for those that do not know) and I would really think Sprint wants to pad their 4G with a 4G WP7 device as soon as they can. A device that can really use the whole offering 4G has to offer. (With streaming Netflix, Intigrated Zune, and XBLive, as long as they do not gimp the phones like ATT does with the iPhone).
Why AT&T continues to get countless new phones is beyond me. They can't handle the iPhone data useage alone let alone all the Android + iPhone + future WP7 Traffic they are going to get.

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Our source says that the fallout from this troubled partnership is that Microsoft has backed away from Verizon as a Windows Phone 7 launch partner, claiming that the first handsets you see won't be offered on the CDMA carrier -- rather that we should expect GSM partners to get first crack.
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Here's something from engadget that speaks of some "source"...It's all hearsay, but I can see that happening.

I refuse to believe that comment about Europe getting WP7 first statement. It wasn't really made in an official statement but sorta off the cuff by a senior exec who likely isn't intimately familiar with the launch. It would go against Microsoft's entire history, both recent and further back, of USA first. At most, Europe will get it at the same time which would be a big deal for Microsoft since they normally forget about the rest of the world.
At least I hope I'm right lol. The only reason I can think of is some sort of regulatory or carrier issues that would cause them to delay it here.

RustyGrom said:
I refuse to believe that comment about Europe getting WP7 first statement. It wasn't really made in an official statement but sorta off the cuff by a senior exec who likely isn't intimately familiar with the launch. It would go against Microsoft's entire history, both recent and further back, of USA first. At most, Europe will get it at the same time which would be a big deal for Microsoft since they normally forget about the rest of the world.
At least I hope I'm right lol. The only reason I can think of is some sort of regulatory or carrier issues that would cause them to delay it here.
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US is usually slower on Cell Technologies though, so it's perfectly plausible given the environment.

gom99 said:
US is usually slower on Cell Technologies though, so it's perfectly plausible given the environment.
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Not sure what you're really referring to exactly but how would that apply to a new OS made by an American company?

MS has teams all around the world.
We are behind in cell technologies, hell some people here think the iphone 4 is the first phone with video chat.
Where have all the leaks been coming from? Sure wasn't the US.
I hate it, but we are behind.
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MS has teams all around the world.
We are behind in cell technologies, hell some people here think the iphone 4 is the first phone with video chat.
Where have all the leaks been coming from? Sure wasn't the US.
I hate it, but we are behind.
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Yea, our networks are behind (and that's not really 100%, we have broader 4G deployment). But we're not behind on software. iPhone was launched here first as was Android. There's no reason that WP7 isn't launched here if not ahead of the rest, at least at the same time. MSFT doesn't even have the Zune store available abroad yet.

Iphone team is here in the US, so are all the iphone leaks.
The Android team is here in the US, Android was a company here in the US before being purchased by Google .
MS teams are all around the world. That's why if you ask a WP7 spoke person about specific parts of the OS, they don't have a clue. Or specific release dates, they don't have a clue.
We're at a point now to where we would have seen a CDMA leak, especially for Sprint.
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vetvito said:
Iphone team is here in the US, so are all the iphone leaks.
The Android team is here in the US, Android was a company here in the US before being purchased by Google .
MS teams are all around the world. That's why if you ask a WP7 spoke person about specific parts of the OS, they don't have a clue. Or specific release dates, they don't have a clue.
We're at a point now to where we would have seen a CDMA leak, especially for Sprint.
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Ummmm MS is 99% in the US. Next largest is a team in India but they mostly did the emulator if I'm not mistaken. If you don't get an answer from a spokesperson it's because they're not allowed to talk about it or they're not a developer or even a technical person so they really don't have any clue about it in general. They very well might not know the release dates because Microsoft doesn't want anything leaked. It's a "need to know" situation. The people that do know sure as hell aren't just going to run around telling people because they don't want to lose their job. Nothing you've said has anything to do with a CDMA device coming/not coming to Sprint at launch. It doesn't even qualify as circumstantial evidence.

Bell no longer carries wp7

Last week I noticed that they discontinued their providing of the LG Quantum, and just now I was on there and see that they have also discontinued the HD7. No wp7/wp7.5 choices at all at the moment.
I can never for the life of me find out future phones coming to Canadian providers, so I'm not sure if they're making way for the Titan et al, or if they've just given up.

Must be temporary
Chad Saliba, Portfolia Collaboration Manager for Nokia Canada told MobileSyrup that in 2012 multiple Windows Phone devices will be released in Canada, across multiple price points and on several carriers, including Rogers, Telus and Bell, who are all sourcing Windows Phone 7 handsets.
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Thanks for posting that, good to see that.
I just hope it's true and the don't back out or something.

It's kind of weird, I don't think any Canadian carrier has announced any second gen devices yet, have they?

Not that I've heard. However I do know that we're always behind other countries. What's new to the US or UK, generally shows up... I'd say... 3-6 months afterwards?

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Not that I've heard. However I do know that we're always behind other countries. What's new to the US or UK, generally shows up... I'd say... 3-6 months afterwards?
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Used to be the case - now we routinely get devices before the US. For example, Galaxy S II.

In the UK, only one carrier (Orange) is offering a WP7.5 phone (the HTC Radar), O2 still have the Mozart and HD7, nothing on Vodafone, nothing on 3. Naturally, they are all going big on the Iphone 4s which will no doubt result in queues in every mall in the country, If you want WP7.5 in the UK now, you pretyy much have to go with a 1st gen handset on contratc or buy your own SIM free (which is what I did). Microsoft really need to sort this out, most people here go to the carriers for their phones and get them on contract - they are never going to see Windows phone at this rate let alone buy into the platform.

PG2G said:
It's kind of weird, I don't think any Canadian carrier has announced any second gen devices yet, have they?
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How many 2nd gen devices are there? 2? I seriously doubt a lot of carriers will stock the Titan. It's way too much money to spend on a Windows Phone when a year old model can do the exact same things. Only a serious fanboy would buy it and WP currently has very few of them.
The other is Radar, which would have slipped past their radar in the midst of all the spanking new Android devices. You can't blame carriers for not carrying any WP7 phones when there aren't any to stock. Mozart, HD7, Trophy are old and outdated.

adesonic said:
In the UK, only one carrier (Orange) is offering a WP7.5 phone (the HTC Radar), O2 still have the Mozart and HD7, nothing on Vodafone, nothing on 3. Naturally, they are all going big on the Iphone 4s which will no doubt result in queues in every mall in the country, If you want WP7.5 in the UK now, you pretyy much have to go with a 1st gen handset on contratc or buy your own SIM free (which is what I did). Microsoft really need to sort this out, most people here go to the carriers for their phones and get them on contract - they are never going to see Windows phone at this rate let alone buy into the platform.
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Vodafone are still showing the Optimus for sale. Interesting to see that Orange are no longer showing the Omnia 7 either...

Freypal said:
Vodafone are still showing the Optimus for sale. Interesting to see that Orange are no longer showing the Omnia 7 either...
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Oops, missed that one,

Given the price I got my LG Quantum for, I don't think they sold a lot when it came out. At $80 though, it's a steal.

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Used to be the case - now we routinely get devices before the US. For example, Galaxy S II.
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That depends on how much changes are made to the reference design by the carriers. If all they have to do is change the radio bands, then of course it will come much faster there than here. Carriers here like to have a bit more freedom with the cell phone design than in Canada.

Sad that we still have no mention of any WP7 new phones coming out of Bell (or any of the providers in Canada).
Next to no marketing of them I guess doens't help.
Everyone I show my phone to loves it...need another one for work and would rather not get an iphone...
I really don't want to wait for 2012.

has anyone contacted Bell to see if the LG quantum will be getting the tethering firmware update?

the stores in my area have no wp7 phones at all..
LG quantum is selling at WalMart for 120 as a pay as you go phone.
It sucks that they are pushing customers away from wp7.

They're probably waiting on new phones.

It's funny...the latest Futureshop cellphone advertisement "booklet" in the local paper has pages upon pages of android phones and blackberries but no wp7 phones...however, Microsoft have a big advertisement at the end about WP7...
What a waste of f'ing money...why advertise something you don't even sell in Canada.
Microsoft is doing a terrible job with this phone in Canada...horrible...you cannot buy a wp7 phone even if you want to...
What a f'ing joke.

Sprint news?

Has there been any rumors/whispers/overheard a conversation in the bathroom news of any future WP7 phones that may be coming to sprint?

Sprint will launch a new Windows Phone about a month after Apollo RTM. You are looking at September period.
The device will feature Snapdragon MSM8960 and LTE.
Source: The Verge

Sprint's network currently sucks too bad to support any kind of phone.

Maybe it will change in the future.

This is a bummer. I'm on Sprint now with only the HTC Arrive and I do want to stay on it. Unfortunately I've been sold on the Nokia Lumia 900 so I'm gonna jump over to AT&T once that's out.
Kinda annoyed that both Sprint and Verizon both have exactly 1 Windows Phone. Seriously lame.

While Sprint may be releasing an LTE "Windows Phone 8" device in September, I'll believe it when I see it. Either way, they are so far behind in LTE that it would take a few years for it to be readily available around the country.
I've been with Sprint for about 4 years, and ditched them today for the Lumia 900 and AT&T (pre-ordered). Sprint has shown ZERO support for Windows Phone since it's launch. I remember being laughed at for trying to get the $50 pre-order gift card for my HTC Arrive when it launched last March.

BradGroux said:
I've been with Sprint for about 4 years, and ditched them today for the Lumia 900 and AT&T (pre-ordered). Sprint has shown ZERO support for Windows Phone since it's launch. I remember being laughed at for trying to get the $50 pre-order gift card for my HTC Arrive when it launched last March.
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I hate to admit it, but I've been thinking of leaving Sprint for the Lumia 900 too after their lack of support for the Arrive. I'm trying my hardest to hold out though, I don't want to feel buyer's remorse when I see the snazzy new Apollo-based handsets come out a few months later. I know I'll want one of those instead simply because it's new.
I also went to my local Sprint store and asked about that $50 pre-order and nobody had a clue what I was talking about. They eventually called the manager who told me there was no need to pre-order and to just show up on the Sunday release date because there wouldn't be any lines or sell-outs for a Windows Phone. I'm glad I followed his advice because I saved $100 by ordering from Wirefly and still got it within days after it was released.

dandrayan said:
I hate to admit it, but I've been thinking of leaving Sprint for the Lumia 900 too after their lack of support for the Arrive. I'm trying my hardest to hold out though, I don't want to feel buyer's remorse when I see the snazzy new Apollo-based handsets come out a few months later. I know I'll want one of those instead simply because it's new.
I also went to my local Sprint store and asked about that $50 pre-order and nobody had a clue what I was talking about. They eventually called the manager who told me there was no need to pre-order and to just show up on the Sunday release date because there wouldn't be any lines or sell-outs for a Windows Phone. I'm glad I followed his advice because I saved $100 by ordering from Wirefly and still got it within days after it was released.
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you'll probably feel wallet remorse before you feel buyers remorse.

uptempo777 said:
This is a bummer. I'm on Sprint now with only the HTC Arrive and I do want to stay on it. Unfortunately I've been sold on the Nokia Lumia 900 so I'm gonna jump over to AT&T once that's out.
Kinda annoyed that both Sprint and Verizon both have exactly 1 Windows Phone. Seriously lame.
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I may be reaching a bit but I think Microsoft may be party to blame here, if you remember Windows Phone didnt have ANY CDMA support when it was initially released in November 2010, it wasnt until 6 months later when the Arrive came out that there was a CDMA windows phone anywhere maybe if there was CDMA and GSM support in the beginning Sprint and Verizon would have put in more effort

Meh. Sprint and Verizon chose to use, and keep using, a cellular technology that very little of the rest of the world uses (some in China, and I few other countries, but the majority is overwhelmingly GSM). NoDo wasn't *that* long in coming, and it's been more than a year since it shipped. At the rate that phones come out these days, that's plenty of time.

I have no problem with sprint releasing another EVDO WP.. So long as I continue paying $40/mnth

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Meh. Sprint and Verizon chose to use, and keep using, a cellular technology that very little of the rest of the world uses (some in China, and I few other countries, but the majority is overwhelmingly GSM). NoDo wasn't *that* long in coming, and it's been more than a year since it shipped. At the rate that phones come out these days, that's plenty of time.
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I totally agree. Pre-orderer the Nokia Lumia 900 and am saying bye to Sprint. Thanks for the low cost plans Sprint but you guys suck when it comes to having actual good phones.

I really love the Lumia 900 but I went to price plans with AT&T and it costs almost 40% more than what I have with sprint, not to mention the fact that data is capped. I'm definitely frustrated with Sprint's lack of focus with 4G and WP7 but 40% is 40%.

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I may be reaching a bit but I think Microsoft may be party to blame here, if you remember Windows Phone didnt have ANY CDMA support when it was initially released in November 2010, it wasnt until 6 months later when the Arrive came out that there was a CDMA windows phone anywhere maybe if there was CDMA and GSM support in the beginning Sprint and Verizon would have put in more effort
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I will agree that Microsoft was partly to blame for the INITIAL sludge in to the CDMA market with Sprint and Verizon... however, it has been nearly 13 months now since the Trophy and Arrive were released on the two carriers. There is further opportunity for new devices, but both Verizon and Sprint have put their marketing focus behind iPhone (and some Android).
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I really love the Lumia 900 but I went to price plans with AT&T and it costs almost 40% more than what I have with sprint, not to mention the fact that data is capped. I'm definitely frustrated with Sprint's lack of focus with 4G and WP7 but 40% is 40%.
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My problem with Sprint isn't the price, it is the speed and availability. I travel weekly, and have resorted to carrying a back-up phone (Samsung Focus unlocked on T-Mobile) due to limited service and speed on Sprint's network. Sprint is perfectly fine in major metropolitan areas, but smaller cities (like Fort Wayne, IN where I was last week) leaves a lot to be desired.
If and when Sprint decides to make the jump to LTE, they are going to be at least 12-18 months behind the competition in network expansion. I'm more than happy to pay a premium price for a premium service.

Sprint has always been good to me. It sucks they only have one wp7 phone but for some reason cherish the iPhone.

I have been with sprint for almost 10 years now. In the last 2 years I have seen them add a $10 fee per smart phone(on a family plan that is an extra $50 a month), they increased the cost of my additional lines, they have taken away the premiere program, while in a 4G city I can't get 4g, and their their 3g speeds gotten have extremely slow. I would like to stay with sprint because it is a big hardware investment to switch carriers but sprint hasn't made it very easy for me. Now they are lacking in the windows phone offereings. I have a couple of Zune HD users in my house and they really want a WP7 phone but are not pleased with the idea of the arrive. I think sprint was banking too much on the iphone giving them a jump start because of their unlimited data but it has panned out as well as they had hoped. I think this is why why they have ignored the WP7 platform.

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Sprint has always been good to me. It sucks they only have one wp7 phone but for some reason cherish the iPhone.
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Not surprising. I'm sure they want to play the "wait and see" game after the Palm Pre didn't do as well as they hoped and they want to go with something that has already proven successful on other carriers.

I would've stayed with sprint but their 3G speeds were getting far too unbearable here in Chicago and the suburbs, plus so many broken promises on when they would fix the towers,it just wasn't worth the $97 I was paying,now with T-mobile I get 10GB of full speed, 500 talk,unlimited text for $100 and my speeds are better than they ever were on sprint, even my throttled speeds are faster than sprint.

Sprint has a LG phone on the way. Its been articles on the net today.
AT&T is way over priced.
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Sprint has a LG phone on the way. Its been articles on the net today.
AT&T is way over priced.
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Is the LG phone gonna be better than the Nokia Lumia 900?