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Nexus commercial. Nice job Google

Simply the best commercial for a nexus I have had the pleasure of seeing. Nice job Google
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DAlO9Mt7-XA

LOL, nice
but it only shows the power of video conferencing, doesn't show the neat stuff the phone

now if only they'd release the damn phone lol

AllGamer said:
LOL, nice
but it only shows the power of video conferencing, doesn't show the neat stuff the phone
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Lets face it people who have only heard about it for the first time from a tv commercial dont care about the neat stuff they just want to beat box with 8 of their mates .
Mark.

Z51 said:
now if only they'd release the damn phone lol
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it's released... only at selected countries ATM

xda mc club anybody? scratches record

Rubbish commercial.

Wow, I hope GNs hold they're own in a spit collector test.

IMO, this commercial looks to attract US based customers. Am I wrong?

mstyle88 said:
IMO, this commercial looks to attract US based customers. Am I wrong?
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no, i kept looking for the verizon v on the phone..

Goes to show you how subjective these things are. I thought that commercial was AWFUL.

nyijedi said:
Goes to show you how subjective these things are. I thought that commercial was AWFUL.
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i thought it was awful too but it still brought a smirk to my face. i used to know people like that.

nyijedi said:
Goes to show you how subjective these things are. I thought that commercial was AWFUL.
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You have to agree its better than Verizon DROID commercials that show you absolutely nothing about the phone right?

I thought that was a pretty terrible advert to be honest.

It seems like it was targeted toward young people.

martonikaj said:
You have to agree its better than Verizon DROID commercials that show you absolutely nothing about the phone right?
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IMHO the Verizon Droid commercials and the Droid brand identity in general are some of the absolute worst marketing decisions ever made. It's like they don't even want women and older people to buy the devices.

Chirality said:
IMHO the Verizon Droid commercials and the Droid brand identity in general are some of the absolute worst marketing decisions ever made. It's like they don't even want women and older people to buy the devices.
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Agreed. I have a few of my iPhone friends ask me sometimes "I want to buy a Droid but when I look at these commercials I have no idea what the hell it does...Am I supposed to go into space with it or something?"
That whole "mysterious space age" stuff isn't exactly attractive to the mainstream market. Maybe only techies and sci-fi lovers.
On topic: I thought the commercial was a little limiting (doesn't show everything about the device), but yes, something like THAT does attract the mainstream market a little more.

Chirality said:
IMHO the Verizon Droid commercials and the Droid brand identity in general are some of the absolute worst marketing decisions ever made. It's like they don't even want women and older people to buy the devices.
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Agreed. They're just terrible.
That's why I like these new Nexus commercials. They actually show people using the phone for real world stuff.

That advert is ****.
It would be nice if they did an advert in the UK, I've never seen an advert for a Nexus handset.

Out of all the Galaxy Nexus commercials I have seen thus far I think this one is probably the best and appealing to most people:

Google's answer to Siri

http://androidandme.com/2011/12/new...named-majel-could-be-released-by-end-of-year/

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http://androidandme.com/2011/12/new...named-majel-could-be-released-by-end-of-year/
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Sounds great. Can't wait for this.
Sent from the future.

Having fun with Voice Actions...can't wait for the next level of functionality
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http://gizmodo.com/5867816/alfred-the-pocket-concierge-so-good-google-had-to-have-it

Given Google's vast resources, this could blow away Siri.
Although I'll never understand the obsession with these type of applications.
They seem to be more of a novelty.

No, no, no.
Google's actual answer to Siri is:
"HAHAHAHAHAHA... You think that's actually useful?!?
Okay, well in that case, we've had that kind of thing for years.
Not that it matters..."
F%#$ marketing.

Yeah, people do look at you a little funny when you are talking to your phone....
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JohnCorleone said:
Yeah, people do look at you a little funny when you are talking to your phone....
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I just really don't find it practical at all.
Let's see... I could either...
A) hit search and type what I want real quick and hit enter
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B) load up an app, talk to it, have it take a second to figure out what I'm saying, then it searches and, assuming it understood me correctly (and don't give me the BS that Siri always does I tried it and it doesn't), get what I could have spent half the time looking for handed to me....and look like a weirdo in public doing it.
Yeah, no thanks, I'll choose A.

I just don't understand the fascination with this recent crop of voice-recognition software. I get the "natural language interpretation" angle. That is exactly what needs to be enhanced...but...aside from that (and procession power, sampling ability and storage capacity) I have been doing command and action oriented voice recognition since, what, 1992? 1993? It was an addon pack to OS/2 v3.0 Warp. I think Dragon Naturally Speaking came out shortly thereafter....I could be wrong, It's been a while and I was a teenager back then.
Sure, the response is quicker...some times, we are network bound now....and it is a slight bit more accurate, they used to be trained to you....and thank GOD it doesn't require the training sessions it used to, though that reduces flexibility for accents and dialects....but...it's the same god-damned trick. Siri is no different, it's just a slightly (very slightly) more thoughtful implementation of the same 20+ year old technology except now we are server bound which, on Sprint, can be a horrifying experience at times.
I do think this is one of the many "next steps", but, it still hasn't gone gold yet. I'm a little surprised that Apple put out beta software. Especially given that it's been beta for 20 years now. There is no end game. It's infinitely incremental improvement....perhaps that is why. Though I think it is more telling that Apple felt they needed something ostensibly "this big" to compete that they were willing to put out beta software.
Interesting times....

I'm not gonna lie I love Siri for things like setting alarms, meetings, reminders, and calendar events. Stuff like that is helpful and quick but I don't need it to text for me or read me texts or search for me.

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but "Majel" could refer to Majel Barrett Roddenberry, wife of Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry. She was and still often is the voice of Starfleet's computers.

its funny we look schizo talking into our PHONES... I think its the note-passing tween girl 'social' networking market that keeps not talking on our phones alive... imagine if people were on an old corded phone talking to all their friends as much as people text now... I know I would throw that person out if my house... anyways... I like voice recognition for driving... and I talk texts all the time in my work van... dreaming of sideswiping the idiots texting while driving... seriously... doing makeup/shaving while driving is bad enough... but texting is just silly... youre not that important, get over yourself... I dont care who you are. Heres an idea... here in WA state, we have a distracted driving law... poorly enforced... it would be AWESOME if those who got caught texting while driving had the transcripts of the conversation read aloud in court... and hopefully published if funny enough.
grrrr... phones are for hacking not idle conversation!

I still don't understand why Siri is even this big of a discussion like Matty said, it'd be much faster to do it manually then to wait on a robot.
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Duke4eva said:
I still don't understand why Siri is even this big of a discussion like Matty said, it'd be much faster to do it manually then to wait on a robot.
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iphone hipsters dig it for some random reason

lajuan3 said:
iphone hipsters dig it for some random reason
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Someone should hack into CIQ severs and see how much Siri is used after the first week.
My guess? Rarely.
It's just a novelty.

JohnCorleone said:
Yeah, people do look at you a little funny when you are talking to your phone....
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Isn't that what phones are for?

12MaNy said:
Isn't that what phones are for?
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They are for talking into not talking to.....unless you are really lonely ...lol
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Ways for this to blow Siri out of the water:
Use Majel Roddenbury's voice from Star Trek licensed from her son
Integrate Siri-like voice commands to an API for IP-remote applications for Google TV and other Smart TVs
This would pretty much steal the thunder away from any Apple TV rumor

its gonna be tuff apple fanboys stick around no matter how much better google shows it is

JohnCorleone said:
They are for talking into not talking to.....unless you are really lonely ...lol
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Good point... if we get this I might be less lonely and can get off my meds
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The iPhone 5: Blah

I've been an Apple user since my parent's bought the first Mac when it debuted; sure I was like 5 but I grew up on Macs.
I've never owned an iPhone but have seriously considered it, researched it and chose Android for a number of reasons. I upgraded to the E4GT last year, most of my friends and family worship at the church of the iPhone and upon seeing the E4GT every single iPhonatic was blown away by how much better it is than their device.
Which brings me to today's announcement: I couldn't be less impressed-- the days of Apple innovation seem like a distant memory. The most impressive thing that Apple showcased today is that it has the world's greatest public relations team; I couldn't be more impressed by their PR machine.
Also, in reading many mainstream news articles about the new iPhone I've seen a plethora of quotes from stock analysts about the device's hardware and design but only a few quotes from tech experts; it's very telling that the only people raving about it are those with a vested interest in seeing the stock price go up.
Look forward to your thoughts and countless "cool story bro" replies ...

Umm in before jay gets here? Lol
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You hit the nail on the head with the lack of innovations. At this point I don't care if they're stolen, just give us something to rave about! Seemed like this iPhone was just another "Let's get it up to par with the current Android devices and work on the real innovation for next year" release. I don't inherently hate Apple. They're responsible for a large chunk of why computing is so integrated into our daily lives. I just miss the days when they were changing them.
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patrao_n said:
Umm in before jay gets here? Lol
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Why would this thread be problematic?

FitChicago said:
Look forward to your thoughts and countless "cool story bro" replies ...
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Why did you even bother posting this? Why not just go to the XDA Iphone site?..
patrao_n said:
Umm in before jay gets here? Lol
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Eh, we'd knew it was gonna happen. Even drew a One X Att user in on it.. :silly:
FitChicago said:
Why would this thread be problematic?
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You jest right? So you want to see a bunch of silly pictures and all?
Jay or Pappa, please move this to XDA General or lock? Thank you! (can ya even throw it waaaaay over to BigPengs fav XDA Iphone forum?? )

I lawled at the announcement of the iphone5 and this picture describes it all

MoHoGalore said:
Jay or Pappa, please move this to XDA General or lock? Thank you! (can ya even throw it waaaaay over to BigPengs fav XDA Iphone forum?? )
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I thought bigpeng would create this thread
TeAm VeNuM: Choose your pOiSoN

Cool stor....... nvm.
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MoHoGalore said:
Why did you even bother posting this? Why not just go to the XDA Iphone site?..
Eh, we'd knew it was gonna happen. Even drew a One X Att user in on it.. :silly:
You jest right? So you want to see a bunch of silly pictures and all?
Jay or Pappa, please move this to XDA General or lock? Thank you! (can ya even throw it waaaaay over to BigPengs fav XDA Iphone forum?? )
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D1rk said:
I thought bigpeng would create this thread
TeAm VeNuM: Choose your pOiSoN
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iVazn....
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k4p741nkrunch said:
You hit the nail on the head with the lack of innovations. At this point I don't care if they're stolen, just give us something to rave about! Seemed like this iPhone was just another "Let's get it up to par with the current Android devices and work on the real innovation for next year" release. I don't inherently hate Apple. They're responsible for a large chunk of why computing is so integrated into our daily lives. I just miss the days when they were changing them.
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Being a daily Apple user I agree with the above, Apple lost a lot when Steve Jobs died. However I wouldn't say that it is "just bringing it up to the current Android devices." I mean have you seen the hardware on that sucker? It's freaking gorgeous! You get Siri(Which I personally find fun and amusing), Airplay, Airprint, and iCloud which is a pretty nice service for those with Macs. I don't think the iPhone is for everyone, but I never have hesitated to recommend them to non-techies. My $0.02.
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MoHoGalore said:
Why did you even bother posting this? Why not just go to the XDA Iphone site?..
Eh, we'd knew it was gonna happen. Even drew a One X Att user in on it.. :silly:
You jest right? So you want to see a bunch of silly pictures and all?
Jay or Pappa, please move this to XDA General or lock? Thank you! (can ya even throw it waaaaay over to BigPengs fav XDA Iphone forum?? )
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Yeah but it doesn't HAVE to degenerate like that, people just enjoy spamming random crap way too much. I don't see the problem with a little honest discussion on the subject.

k4p741nkrunch said:
You hit the nail on the head with the lack of innovations. At this point I don't care if they're stolen, just give us something to rave about! Seemed like this iPhone was just another "Let's get it up to par with the current Android devices and work on the real innovation for next year" release. I don't inherently hate Apple. They're responsible for a large chunk of why computing is so integrated into our daily lives. I just miss the days when they were changing them.
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Exactly right about Apple "getting up to par" with current Android devices, but IMO I think they failed to do that today. I think the S3 is a better device.
I'd choose my current E4GT running JB with Google Now over the new iPhone and Siri (leaving the 4G LTE out if the evaluation).
Like I said in my OP I've been an Apple fan/user my whole life and don't want this thread to focus on bashing Apple rather look at the real facts beyond the world's best hype machine.

I actually like the iPhone 5. Sadly it isn't exciting. It isn't like. ERMAHGERD ERPHERN5, its just boring besides small changes..
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FitChicago said:
Exactly right about Apple "getting up to par" with current Android devices, but IMO I think they failed to do that today. I think the S3 is a better device.
I'd choose my current E4GT running JB with Google Now over the new iPhone and Siri (leaving the 4G LTE out if the evaluation).
Like I said in my OP I've been an Apple fan/user my whole life and don't want this thread to focus on bashing Apple rather look at the real facts beyond the world's best hype machine.
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I'm still not convinced that Google Now is a match for Siri, to me it's comparing Kiwi and lemons. What makes the iPhone stand out is what has always made it standout, the how noob friendly it is, to us geeks who hack our phones it seems outdated and almost childish, but to users like my mom who just want a simple non-customizable phone that does what they tell it too every time the iPhone is perfect. That's always been what Apple is, magnificent hardware(If slightly behind the curve), dumbed down UI, and the sole focus being user experience out of the box.

thewadegeek said:
Yeah but it doesn't HAVE to degenerate like that, people just enjoy spamming random crap way too much. I don't see the problem with a little honest discussion on the subject.
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While you are correct, when does that happen? And the OP even knew it would with the last sentence in the opening.. Hence my question of why even doing it?
If civility is what he was looking for, then why not go to the place for it?.. But I digress from the OP, so I'll stay on topic..
Op- are you really surprised?

MoHoGalore said:
While you are correct, when does that happen? And the OP even knew it would with the last sentence in the opening.. Hence my question of why even doing it?
If civility is what he was looking for, then why not go to the place for it?.. But I digress from the OP, so I'll stay on topic..
Op- are you really surprised?
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Oh I know what you mean, and he knew what would happen, but I'm still going to do my part to try and keep on-topic and reasonable.

thewadegeek said:
Being a daily Apple user I agree with the above, Apple lost a lot when Steve Jobs died. However I wouldn't say that it is "just bringing it up to the current Android devices." I mean have you seen the hardware on that sucker? It's freaking gorgeous! You get Siri(Which I personally find fun and amusing), Airplay, Airprint, and iCloud which is a pretty nice service for those with Macs. I don't think the iPhone is for everyone, but I never have hesitated to recommend them to non-techies. My $0.02.
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Yeah but it doesn't HAVE to degenerate like that, people just enjoy spamming random crap way too much. I don't see the problem with a little honest discussion on the subject.
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I agree that the hardware is impressive but the integration you mention is only fully realized if you're using a Mac; the majority of customers are Windows users and the integration isn't as seamless- if you've ever run iTunes on a Mac and then used it in a Windows OS you know exactly what I mean. Whereas innovations like Play Music and almost every Google/Android gapps is seamlessly integrated and able to be accessed anywhere.
I am most impressed by Apple's incredible PR team and wonder why Google or Samsung isn't trying to hire every member of Apple's PR staff. A good example of the skills of their team: the same megapixel camera we have had on the E4GT for a year (including our panoramic capabilities) is being hyped as an innovative wow factor.

Wait, i have a question since you wanted a discussion.
How can you say blah when you said you have never owned one and what you know is by paper only?
Take this phone for example. How many people are so impressed by white papers but once they get the phone they then say "blah"?...
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thewadegeek said:
I'm still not convinced that Google Now is a match for Siri, to me it's comparing Kiwi and lemons. What makes the iPhone stand out is what has always made it standout, the how noob friendly it is, to us geeks who hack our phones it seems outdated and almost childish, but to users like my mom who just want a simple non-customizable phone that does what they tell it too every time the iPhone is perfect. That's always been what Apple is, magnificent hardware(If slightly behind the curve), dumbed down UI, and the sole focus being user experience out of the box.
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You're absolutely right about it being noob friendly (just wait until they allow the Jitterbug as a provider offering it LOL).
I do like Google Now but find its true value in the notifications and location based things it alerts me about; but the voice based capabilities are strong but IMO, like siri it's more of a cute thing to play with.

We all know how iPhone threads end up. This is about the 341,952 thread I've had to close today. There is an off topic discussion area to chat about the iPhone related topics, as this will go downhill very fast.
---Jay--- Doin' my Hammer Dance.....™

What does woz think about apple vs Sammy verdict

http://androidcommunity.com/steve-wozniak-on-samsung-apple-verdict-i-dont-agree-with-it-20120913/
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iphones are the creation of people with nowhere left to turn

Boo hiss apple yada yada.
We're done here.

"He also said that he thinks companies should just share patents with each other, which would allow for the development of the best devices possible"
I thought I was the only one that felt this way... (._." )

SocialReject said:
"He also said that he thinks companies should just share patents with each other, which would allow for the development of the best devices possible"
I thought I was the only one that felt this way... (._." )
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I have a idea, how about we post more Apple/iPhone threads in a Nexus forum.
Seriously, there needs to be a dedicated hate on Apple forum, would definitely clean up these ones.

Should be noted that he uses android not iPhone I wonder why
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He uses both. Galaxy 3 is the flavor of the moment. He uses a lot of phones, including wp7.
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Woz is a class act.
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Woz uses most tech products known to man! I'm on a rather ****e 2g network here so cant link, but google what he carries with him in his backpack... extraordinary sight.
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Woz is an engineer so of course he hates patents. But he doesn't have any expertise in law so what he says about the court proceedings should be taken with a grain of salt.

killyouridols said:
Woz uses most tech products known to man! I'm on a rather ****e 2g network here so cant link, but google what he carries with him in his backpack... extraordinary sight.
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Here is what you were looking for. Yeah, it seems just a little over the top for me. I can't imagine what he does with all that stuff.

pfmiller said:
Here is what you were looking for. Yeah, it seems just a little over the top for me. I can't imagine what he does with all that stuff.
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That's the one. Nah, I can't imagine what the use of all that is but i'd sure like to give it a crack
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Woz is cool, which is more than you can say for most iconic figures. Doesn't need to feed his own ego 24/7 and doesn't care what anyone else thinks.

Doesnt he use all types of phones??

The point is he doesn't use iPhone if at all lol
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The point is he doesn't use iPhone if at all lol
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I don't think that is the point you should take away from the article. He uses everything.

He uses iPhone. I am sure he is a player in design and "copying", but I think its more like these features are good, why doesn't apple try them or improve upon them.
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I too hate patent war...!!
If this continues, its not far that car companies will sue each other for using round tyres.....

[Q] Does it piss anyone else off that???

There are a bunch of smart phone commercials coming out (for android devices) that feature nothing but hipsters.
1. The gs3 commercial with the hipster dad and the smoking hot wife(not even realistic)
2. The new nexus 7 commercial that android central just posted - life aquatic crap with hipster kids on vacation from their local occupy camp building some hippy aquarium.
Stop trying to be apple, this is one of the biggest reasons I would never own an apple product because they associate with the largest number of useless people that have come from my generation. There is nothing hip about a hipster
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No it doesn't.
How are you going about classifying them all as "hipsters"? Just by how they dress?

Absolutely, thats 90% of what hipsteresis is......wearing ugly clothes and being unproductive (unless your a hipster and consider building a junk fish tank productive in this case)
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I think the other 10% is wearing those huge wood framed glasses, although im not a hipster so i dont really know the ins and outs.
I am also claiming the trademark and sole rights to ownership of the term "hipsteresis"
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Yeah, how about a little truth in advertising- they should be commercials about pale-skinned kids complaining about not getting a good signal because they are living in their parent's basement. Geesh- move to the attic already! Perhaps it's not a coincidence that the iphone is 23% slimmer and skinny jeans are in vogue?
I guess that's why I don't watch too much TV. If they replaced all the hipsters with regular nerds, I would be complaining because none of the nerds were using linux.
So to answer your question, I didn't see the commercials of which you speak, but that won't prevent me from opining about them in a public forum.

Finally a logically sound person
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There are a bunch of smart phone commercials coming out (for android devices) that feature nothing but hipsters.
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Judging people based off their looks is prejudice.
1. The gs3 commercial with the hipster dad and the smoking hot wife(not even realistic)
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Jimmy Kimmel got Sarah Silverman (and before he lost weight!), anything is possible.
2. The new nexus 7 commercial that android central just posted - life aquatic crap with hipster kids on vacation from their local occupy camp building some hippy aquarium.
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Why is it everyone thinks only hipsters, freeloaders, etc. support the Occupy movement? I mean, really ... people of all walks of life support the Occupy Movement. Hell, a young man who served to protect everyones right to protest almost lost his life supporting the Occupy movement.
Stop trying to be apple, this is one of the biggest reasons I would never own an apple product because they associate with the largest number of useless people that have come from my generation. There is nothing hip about a hipster
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So, you choose what product you buy not based on it's quality or usefullness but on how you think others might judge you?
(Disclaimer: 1. No, I'm not a hipster and I find them all quite silly. 2. Even if I didn't support the Occupy Movement, I'd still support their right to protest.)
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No I buy the product based on whether I like it or not, but me being disgusted by its cult following by people who I find unimpressive is fully capable of influencing any decision.
I could care less what people think of me, if i did I probably would have chosen not to make a thread expressing my controversial pov.
The original Hipster was probably a cool guy, and extraordinarily original. Unfortunately the people that have stolen his originality because they are expressing their individuality have missed the point, hence all of the conflicting ideas in that last statement.
I also don't really find sarah silverman hot, but to each their own.
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hey man what you got against hipsters?

They have bad reading comprehension......
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danow11 said:
The original Hipster was probably a cool guy, and extraordinarily original. Unfortunately the people that have stolen his originality because they are expressing their individuality have missed the point, hence all of the conflicting ideas in that last statement.
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I believe the original hipsters where greasers from the 50's, with the jeans and leather jackets...think its just mutated since then...also hipsters have a know it all arrogance, like if you don't know about a certain book, they are too cool to tell you about it.
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