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Will phones get Windows 7 update?

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Nope. There's is not update for older phones because of strict hardware requirements. To Get WP7 you'll need the new device.

krjcook said:
Nope. There's is not update for older phones because of strict hardware requirements. To Get WP7 you'll need the new device.
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Okay
But, iv'e seen the 6.5.3 (?) on many videos and stuff, will it be available for my phone (Samsung Omnia Lite)? And in that case, when?

not neccessarily true. i read that samsungs newest phones, which I dont think are even out yet, come with 6.5 but are designed with all the hardware buttons and specs to be upgradable to 7.

trevorwhopkins said:
not neccessarily true. i read that samsungs newest phones, which I dont think are even out yet, come with 6.5 but are designed with all the hardware buttons and specs to be upgradable to 7.
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okay, so will my phone get Windows 7 :S ? Or can I upgrade it to 6.5.3? Sorry, but I dont know a sh*t about this ^^

The only phone to receive the WP7 update is the HTC HD2

churchy93 said:
The only phone to receive the WP7 update is the HTC HD2
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No.. it has announced that the HD2 is NOT going to be updates to WP7, due to the lack of a physical camera button and 5 instead of 3 front facing buttons..

There is no phone currently on the market that will get an upgrade to WP7. It is possible that some new models released between now and the release of WP7 might - but I would say it's unlikely. For example, any phone that can take a removal memory card definitely won't.

I heard the HTC Touch Diamond will receive an update to WP7 because it comes with internal memory instead of SD card slot! There's already a dump of the TD WP7 ROM leaked by a guy from China.

RAMMANN said:
I heard the HTC Touch Diamond will receive an update to WP7 because it comes with internal memory instead of SD card slot! There's already a dump of the TD WP7 ROM leaked by a guy from China.
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Did you happen to notice that it doesn't have any other requirement? 800x480 resolution, 1GHz Processor, 8GB Internal Storage, Start Back and Search Buttons? It's not getting an update.

6.5 upgrade to 7 on HD2?
hey guys,
so in which place can i see that windows said they will not upgrade the HD2? i do not have one yet but TMO has a buy one get one free deal down here in Orange county, ca USA if you sing up atleast 4 lines, i want to port my family over to TMO from ATT because ATT stinks as far as phone selections is concerend. however i am concerned about the 7 upgrade, i really do not want to get stuck with TMO for 2 years and be limited phone wise, if thats the case i will just stick with ATT and the iphone(which i am sick of)... 7 looks so much nicer than 6.5, i had an X1 running 6.5 for most of 2009, so i am kind of over 6.5(i hacked the hell out of that X1 before it finally took a dump on me)... let me know what you guys think, i know another option is to purchase the sony X10 which works on all 3G networks but i dont have 600$ to drop on that.. anyway, thanks for your help guys.

Every phone will get a upgrade if someone hacks it in but, it's questionable on how it will all play out. Microsoft might just send "the letter" if hacking wp7 comes out and then no one gets to play unless you buy a new phone.
After all, I just want WP7 on my Titan

DavidinCT said:
Every phone will get a upgrade if someone hacks it in
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There is zero chance that anyone will "hack it in" on anything less powerful than an HD2.

the leaked wp7 made by dell has lower specifications than hd2 (less ram ,smaller screen and no flash ) so why hd2 will not get the update to wp7 ,no one say to me because of the micro sd card , the new dell has one ,and also has same graphics chip so no one also tell me that there is no image scaler on hd2

hoss_n2 said:
the leaked wp7 made by dell has lower specifications than hd2 (less ram ,smaller screen and no flash ) so why hd2 will not get the update to wp7 ,no one say to me because of the micro sd card , the new dell has one ,and also has same graphics chip so no one also tell me that there is no image scaler on hd2
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its all about marketing .....
nothing will explain it better

hoss_n2 said:
the leaked wp7 made by dell has lower specifications than hd2 (less ram ,smaller screen and no flash ) so why hd2 will not get the update to wp7 ,no one say to me because of the micro sd card , the new dell has one ,and also has same graphics chip so no one also tell me that there is no image scaler on hd2
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First, it's a leaked early roadmap, not an actual device. Assuming the leak is recent and accurate, it could and probably will easily change. Second, the Dell device's MicroSD card could be embedded in the device and not user accessible. This would meet Microsoft's requirements while the HD2 does not. FInally, the buttons on the HD2 do not meet the requirements for WP7. Yes, it's somewhat superficial but Microsoft will not support a device out there that doesn't match and does not fit their design requirements. The Dell device appears to meet the MS requirements. The only one that is questionable is the MicroSD card but that could easily be embedded which MS has stated is OK.

tmonews.com/2010/01/windows-mobile-6-5-details-wm7-going-to-htc-hd2/[/url]
Not sure how valid this is

jbauls said:
tmonews.com/2010/01/windows-mobile-6-5-details-wm7-going-to-htc-hd2/[/url]
Not sure how valid this is
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LOL
January 2010... that's like stoneage in the mobile world. It has already been confirmed multiple times there's no update.
I had ignored the WP7 threads for a while. Looking back at it now it's amusing to see people still discussing about the HD2 upgrade....

WP7 and Verizon

So from most of what i read the Big Red V is getting the HTC Trophy announced at CES, but the reviews i have read and seen are a bit ho hum.....will there me another WP7 device on Verizon?

TBQH, I think WP7 device production will not be as fast as Android is. Microsoft is probably working on drivers for next gen SoC's and adding functionality for the Mango update later this year. I don't think Manufacturers will really commit to it until then.
Also, since WP7 requires "specced" devices there is not that much of a reason for most manufacturers to release a flurry of devices the way HTC and Moto did for Android handsets last year (Droid, Droid X, Droid Pro, Droid 2, G2, MT4G, Incredible, Evo, etc.).
It's good for the platform, but it means WP7 marketshare will probably never compete with Android's because Android has the advantage of always driving people to buy a "latest and greatest" device, while there is less incentive to do that with WP7 handsets (i.e. you know your phone will be updates, the other phone has the same core specs/SoC, etc. etc.).

I think there will be more than one for Verizon, I forget where I read it but there was mention of devices, plural, coming to sprint and verizon, I am hoping for a CDMA version of the Omnia 7, since verizon got the first two omnia's I would be mildly surprised if they didn't get the newest incarnation of that line.

Well I hope they are released this week so I can make the jump. I played with the HD7 and was blown away with the speed...now I'm hooked.
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I've been wondering this myself. With Sprint getting the HTC 7 Pro (aka Tp3) and Vzw listed as only getting the Trophy they both must be getting other models.
They are not going to open Windows Phone 7 that has millions of adveristing dollars with 1 phone each.
CES will tell us more..

Omega Ra said:
I think there will be more than one for Verizon, I forget where I read it but there was mention of devices, plural, coming to sprint and verizon, I am hoping for a CDMA version of the Omnia 7, since verizon got the first two omnia's I would be mildly surprised if they didn't get the newest incarnation of that line.
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Yes, there will be more than one. Samsung is known for taking the same phone and putting different variants on every carrier so they may put an Omnia-like WP7 device on Verizon (the biggest US carrier, they already have one on AT&T).
But what I meant is that there is little to no incentive to release a slew of devices on one or a bunch of carriers like they do with Android, because they can't alter the software so drastically to make the phones look different, outside of the chasis type.

I just want a 4 inch screen....amoled maybe.....

The earliest Id expect to see a Samsung Focus/Omnia varient on Verizon would be Sep 2011. Att has a 10 month exclustivity contract as I understand it.

AT&T Mango Release News 9/27 Rollout for Most.

AT&T begins Mango update program September 27th. Full details.
For all of you on AT&T and awaiting Mango, we have some big news for you, so grab yourself a seat, because you're hearing it here first. Looks like that earlier info about "being on time" was accurate.
We just received a series of emails exchanged between some higher ups at AT&T and an anonymous source (the source is anonymous to you, but known and verified by us). The emails give, in detail, AT&Ts plans for their Mango updates, including schedule according to device. The original emails are attached as images with all names and times redacted.
In short, here is the plan. "Starting September 27, 2011, Microsoft has approved and is planning to release a new “Mango” update to AT&T customers using..."
HTC Surround (SKU 65212)
LG Quantum (SKU 65205)
Samsung Focus (SKU 65203) [More on this below]
"A subsequent release is projected to be available for customers with the HTC HD7S (SKU 65255) in early to mid October. A subsequent advisory will be provided for the HTC HD7S after the MR update has successfully passed TA."
The update requires two steps: download new Zune software and plug in your phone.
Now the bad news. The Samsung Focus is still divided into two camps, depending on the hardware revision. Revision v1.3 will get the update on 9/27 while v1.4 will have to wait till end of October:
The Samsung team came back an provided this information about WINDOWS 7.5 for the Samsung Focus devices.
rev 1.3(Micron): Windows 7.5 update will be available through Zune on 9/27.
rev 1.4(LSI) : Update has not entered the AT&T SPE lab yet; however, Samsung is targeting for 10/17 lab entry and 10/31 TA
So there you go folks. The only thing missing from the above is the Dell Venue Pro, but we're under the impression that Dell will handle that directly. More info as it comes in. And thanks to our tipster for the excellent information and timely communication! Full emails after the break...
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I am... stunned. From last to... first? Did someone secretly replace the AT&T we all love to hate with a new and improved model?

RoboDad said:
I am... stunned. From last to... first? Did someone secretly replace the AT&T we all love to hate with a new and improved model?
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AT&T isn't a bad company. They've always been fair and decent.

RoboDad said:
I am... stunned. From last to... first? Did someone secretly replace the AT&T we all love to hate with a new and improved model?
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yeah, well, if it turns out to be true. This will prove that I was right that MS is not holding back Mango so they can roll it out to all devices/carriers/oems together as people have been saying.

So I have to wait till first or mid October since I have a hd7s
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MartyLK said:
AT&T isn't a bad company. They've always been fair and decent.
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I know that AT&T isn't a "bad" company. I was an AT&T employee for 10 years. But in the wireless market, they have always been somewhat clueless about what makes good customer service.
This is a welcome surprise for me, and I can't wait until next Tuesday.

Hey, AT&T werent last (Australia's Telstra was 2nd last), so I was <i>more</i> shocked when Telstra was waiting for MS' approval to push Mango 0_o

If you de-branded, dont forget to re-brand to ensure you get the update. If you use the LG Quantum, check this link. I provided the instructions incase you forgot... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1273826

What about non-branded phones. I remember MS was saying those devices are getting updates first, so does it mean we should get it before 27/9?

This is excellent need and shows att holding true to their statement about being the first to update. Hopefully Samsungs don't run into any snags likelast time. Can't wait to finally get mango.
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Is there a difference between Mango official update via Zune and the leaked ones? I have a HTC trophy and I flashed the official shipped ROM from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1254384

When will unlocked devices get Mango?

Upgrade to Mango or loose the Marketplace.

Hello everyone, we might have all seen the latest news on the windowsteamblog.com.
So, I've been thinking....I know Mango was made available to all current phones so I don't really see how one shouldn't update. But what if Mango was an update that most devices couldn't get? Let’s take the Apollo update for example; incase the update comes and current devices are not able to upgrade due to some reasons whatsoever (eg: Multicore compatibility) and we get people with Mango and Apollo all in the ecosystem and then Windows Phone 9 comes and Microsoft once again wants to upgrade & improve the Marketplace so all devices should upgrade to Windows 8 or loose the Marketplace....what happens to the WP 7.5 consumers? Will we be foreced to get newer devices? It's been bothering me and thought I ask.
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That's a very good question, However by that time I am sure we will all be coming to the end of Contracts etc and gagging for an upgrade, Enjoy the moment and try not to threat about what's around the corner.

Good but the thing is not all countries support contracts. In my country, phones are unbranded (non-carrier based) and you can imagine....they cost like hell. I bought my HTC HD7 at a price of $800 when WP came out and its currently $500 since new devices with Mango are out...so you really need to take care of your phone so it lasts till you can save again to buy another if only you can. So for us in this situation, we really need to hold onto our phone for years and wouldn't like to be ignored by the OS...would still like to receive updates and stuff.
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Nokia, I lost my patience with you!

For months we are waiting for the update of the windows system to version 7.8 and after blunder releasing devices that will not be upgraded to Windows 8 and various bugs that undertaken to credibility of their devices, just when supposedly the Update is released, it simply does not appears on the Zune for the vast majority of users.
Even when Nokia will continue committing their blunders? For my part I'm already sick of this incapacity bankrupt company!
I consider it a total lack of capacity due to long delay of this release and a clear demonstration of total incapacity. Furthermore, as a consumer who owns a Lumia 900 consider myself totally disrespected.

This has nothing to do with Nokia. Carriers insist on testing updates before they ship them, mostly to make sure it plays nice with their network and maybe to do a little training for support staff. Nokia and MS can't change that fact. Apple seems to have a little more clout in this area and is able to either bypass carrier testing, or they pay extra to fasttrack it through. Microsoft and Nokia both said the rollout will take about 4 weeks, this is approximately what was seen with the Mango update.

I understand your feeling, but there arena few things...
7.8 wasn't just released for lumia's, reports are showing various other phone makes and models also are receiving updates. So is seems more like Microsoft flipped the switch.
When updates are pushed, not everyone gets it the same second. They tend to be in stages.
And cable trick does work, I got impatient and well had my 900 updated during lunch yesterday.
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I cant get that cable/wifi trick to work at all. what am i doing wrong? i push update wait 3.-4 secs then disable wireless. reconnect and it just stalls on that screen. Nothing at all
godashram said:
I understand your feeling, but there arena few things...
7.8 wasn't just released for lumia's, reports are showing various other phone makes and models also are receiving updates. So is seems more like Microsoft flipped the switch.
When updates are pushed, not everyone gets it the same second. They tend to be in stages.
And cable trick does work, I got impatient and well had my 900 updated during lunch yesterday.
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I counted to 4 very slowly to get the Nokia update... Then counted to 3 after to get 7.8
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Keep trying
godashram said:
I counted to 4 very slowly to get the Nokia update... Then counted to 3 after to get 7.8
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As another post pointed out, the amount of time you wait is relative to your connection speed. If you connection is good, the time you wait is slower. Trial and error worked for me. Ultimately the wifi disable allowed me to update on release day when Zune said I was up to date. Good luck!

I don't understand why so many people are in such an uproar to get such a ~minor~ upgrade. Most of the changes are purely cosmetic. Now, if the upgrade were to permit a user to download an audio or video file from the internet, or email a PDF (how radical!), or manage a [shudder] zip file attachment, I could understand the impatience.
Jeez.

Eric is right...
The update to 7.8 is'nt such a big thing at all. You get the wp8 home screen and the Bing option for the lockscreen and that's about it.. maybe a few more background colors to choose from?
Anyway, the only way we (lumia 900 users) can get this Phone some really nice usefull features is by building custom rom's but there aren't a lot of developers on unlocking the bootloader so we are stuck with the features Nokia gives us.
I still hope the unlocked Quellcom bootloader will surface somewhere so we can release the powers of this phone but i'm afraid i need to wait till my contract ends and get me another phone (and it wont be a Nokia ever again).

I forced my 900 to 7.8 and there were 2 OS updated and last and third was a firmware update from nokia... the small tiles look and feel great..