So from most of what i read the Big Red V is getting the HTC Trophy announced at CES, but the reviews i have read and seen are a bit ho hum.....will there me another WP7 device on Verizon?
TBQH, I think WP7 device production will not be as fast as Android is. Microsoft is probably working on drivers for next gen SoC's and adding functionality for the Mango update later this year. I don't think Manufacturers will really commit to it until then.
Also, since WP7 requires "specced" devices there is not that much of a reason for most manufacturers to release a flurry of devices the way HTC and Moto did for Android handsets last year (Droid, Droid X, Droid Pro, Droid 2, G2, MT4G, Incredible, Evo, etc.).
It's good for the platform, but it means WP7 marketshare will probably never compete with Android's because Android has the advantage of always driving people to buy a "latest and greatest" device, while there is less incentive to do that with WP7 handsets (i.e. you know your phone will be updates, the other phone has the same core specs/SoC, etc. etc.).
I think there will be more than one for Verizon, I forget where I read it but there was mention of devices, plural, coming to sprint and verizon, I am hoping for a CDMA version of the Omnia 7, since verizon got the first two omnia's I would be mildly surprised if they didn't get the newest incarnation of that line.
Well I hope they are released this week so I can make the jump. I played with the HD7 and was blown away with the speed...now I'm hooked.
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I've been wondering this myself. With Sprint getting the HTC 7 Pro (aka Tp3) and Vzw listed as only getting the Trophy they both must be getting other models.
They are not going to open Windows Phone 7 that has millions of adveristing dollars with 1 phone each.
CES will tell us more..
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I think there will be more than one for Verizon, I forget where I read it but there was mention of devices, plural, coming to sprint and verizon, I am hoping for a CDMA version of the Omnia 7, since verizon got the first two omnia's I would be mildly surprised if they didn't get the newest incarnation of that line.
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Yes, there will be more than one. Samsung is known for taking the same phone and putting different variants on every carrier so they may put an Omnia-like WP7 device on Verizon (the biggest US carrier, they already have one on AT&T).
But what I meant is that there is little to no incentive to release a slew of devices on one or a bunch of carriers like they do with Android, because they can't alter the software so drastically to make the phones look different, outside of the chasis type.
I just want a 4 inch screen....amoled maybe.....
The earliest Id expect to see a Samsung Focus/Omnia varient on Verizon would be Sep 2011. Att has a 10 month exclustivity contract as I understand it.
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Hey everyone! Im currently an Android user, and I am ready to get back to a windows phone. I do NOT want what Verizon has right now, does anyone know of a high-end device coming soon to big red?
yes and no. big V has high-end devices, but none of them are wp7 yet.
They are rumored to get that Nokia wp7 phone but that's all I've heard it wold be great if they got the HTC titan tho
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Wait for CES, Nokia should be announcing LTE devices. I'd expect them to announce something for AT&T and Verizon.
yeh, i read about the titan too, would love it! I wonder why verizon is keeping w7 out of the high end line up?
So now after a few months on the market. Is this phone still worth purchasing or is there something significantly better coming along within 3 months that will blow this out of the water. If the products that are coming out are comparable I still see this as a viable option for an upgrade from the Thunderbolt (or am I insane?).
Anyways, hope to get some feedback regarding this to assist. Thanks!
Kind of hard to answer since most new phones are announced at mobile world congress which is next month. As of this second on Verizon there is nothing better. You can argue the rezound is equal with each having pros and cons but nothing is in the pipeline yet.
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Kind of hard to answer since most new phones are announced at mobile world congress which is next month. As of this second on Verizon there is nothing better. You can argue the rezound is equal with each having pros and cons but nothing is in the pipeline yet.
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This Mobile world congress convention that you mentioned. The phones that are going to be announced here will still have release dates that are months away from the actual event right? So best case those 'new' phones will be coming out ~5-6 months from now or are they actually being released to the public at this event?
If the resound is the only comparable phone, the Verizon Galaxy Nexus does indeed still sound way better (for me at least).
it depends on what your looking for, better hardware specs, pure android with great support with updates, or themed android with a lack of updates. Not saying those phones announced at CES are crappy, but if you want a phone that is guaranteed dev support/android updates then i'd recommend the Nexus. Yea they may have other phones that may beat it in hardware specs, but will those phones get the updates and the support that the nexus is and will be getting??? I seriously doubt it, not saying that they won't get support at all, but if u want the best experience of android, i'd recommend the nexus, i had the Epic 4g Touch(Galaxy S II) and i liked it, but i LOVE my nexus, it does everything i need it to, no complaints here, and the battery is great i get right at 2 days on one charge, u should get it, u won't regret it
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it depends on what your looking for, better hardware specs, pure android with great support with updates, or themed android with a lack of updates. Not saying those phones announced at CES are crappy, but if you want a phone that is guaranteed dev support/android updates then i'd recommend the Nexus. Yea they may have other phones that may beat it in hardware specs, but will those phones get the updates and the support that the nexus is and will be getting??? I seriously doubt it, not saying that they won't get support at all, but if u want the best experience of android, i'd recommend the nexus, i had the Epic 4g Touch(Galaxy S II) and i liked it, but i LOVE my nexus, it does everything i need it to, no complaints here, and the battery is great i get right at 2 days on one charge, u should get it, u won't regret it
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I am on the verge of pulling the pin and just getting it. Is the amount of development activity similar to what it was with the Nexus One (my last nexus phone)? I remember crack flashing nightly with all the goodies that were available. I took a looksey in the development forum (I will be with Verizon if I get it) and saw a few good things in there.
Are any of you guys currently running a custom ROM and if so, has the custom ROM development still in its infancy or is there some decent work being put out by all the developers (donations to custom developers are a part of the cost of the phone in my book )?
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Are any of you guys currently running a custom ROM and if so, has the custom ROM development still in its infancy or is there some decent work being put out by all the developers (donations to custom developers are a part of the cost of the phone in my book )?
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Well the difference between stock 4.0.1 and AOKP+Franco was just ridiculous.
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The Galaxy S III will probably blow the Nexus away, but who knows how long until it's released after it's announced at MWC. I don't really know the timeframes for that sort of thing.
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The Galaxy S III will probably blow the Nexus away, but who knows how long until it's released after it's announced at MWC. I don't really know the timeframes for that sort of thing.
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If I was going to buy a phone today I would still get the Galaxy Nexus. 6 Months to a year from now will of course be a different story. If you live in the United States we always seem to wait forever for the best stuff. EU seems to be ahead of us when it comes to the latest and greatest phones.
Good Luck!
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The Galaxy S III will probably blow the Nexus away, but who knows how long until it's released after it's announced at MWC. I don't really know the timeframes for that sort of thing.
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Sure, for about 9 months. Then the GN gets Jellybean, or Jello, or whatever. Meanwhile the GS3 gets a "Value Pack" which is subsequently pulled before it's even done because Samsung wants to sell the GS4 to you. Vote with your wallet, and vote for hardware which will get 2 years of support. Even if you flash, having up-to-date drivers makes it a lot easier to build custom ROM's.
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The Galaxy S III will probably blow the Nexus away, but who knows how long until it's released after it's announced at MWC. I don't really know the timeframes for that sort of thing.
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Since you aren't living in the United States. MWC will announce Galaxy S3 and the U.S. will get it like 8 months later because each carrier wants something to "woo" their customers with exclusive features and all these small little variants of the Galaxy S3.
By the time that all comes out, it'll be launched with a old OS and Nexus 4 will be announced.
I stay committed to only Nexus devices simply because they will last longer. Especially with a great development community.
Sometimes, the community makes the phone.
For all the HTC HD7 holders concerned about not getting Apollo update like myself and not ready to upgrade should read this article to calm them down;
http://www.everythingwm.com/what-to-know-about-windows-phone-8-and-first-gen-devices/2012/03/16/
Love this news and hope it's true.
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All the first gen devices use the same base hardware profile. The only thign the HD7 has is like 64MB more RAM which shouldn't be a big deal given even second gen devices are shipping with 512...
The only thing that would stop other 1st gen devices from getting the update is the OEM or carrier refusing to license or support the new version.
Also, the post also mentions the Samsung Focus.
Seems like what has been touted on a few places lately.
All devices to get the update - only the hardware inside your device will limit the functionality you recieve.
T-Mobile doesn't even have the 8107 update pushed to these phones, I wouldn't hold my breath on Apollo...they pushed it to the Radar, and they told me to buy that instead lol.
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T-Mobile doesn't even have the 8107 update pushed to these phones, I wouldn't hold my breath on Apollo...they pushed it to the Radar, and they told me to buy that instead lol.
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T-Mobile USA pushed 8107 to all WP7 devices already. Why do people keep spreading these false facts. I had the official 8107 on my HD7 before I decided to go with a Full Unlocked ROM. There are others who have gotten the update too. The updates seems bugged or something though as I know the Lumia 710 has gotten the update, but when I tried updating my roommates' new 710s, it showed them as up to date.
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According to various sites t-mobile just started pushing to hd7 today
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Yeah, just saw that too, funny how I got it over a month ago & I wasn't the only one. They are also saying that the Lumia 710 hasn't gotten the update where I know people who have got it. Maybe it was some kind of bug? ::shrugs::
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T-Mobile USA pushed 8107 to all WP7 devices already. Why do people keep spreading these false facts. I had the official 8107 on my HD7 before I decided to go with a Full Unlocked ROM. There are others who have gotten the update too. The updates seems bugged or something though as I know the Lumia 710 has gotten the update, but when I tried updating my roommates' new 710s, it showed them as up to date.
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Actually, it just rolled out today, I'm updating as I speak, so I will retract my previous statement. As far as the Lumia 710, no update yet http://www.wpcentral.com/t-mobile-us-rolling-out-windows-phone-8107-htc-hd7-update.
I think the 1st rollout was tmobile in europe. Tmobile USA was today.
TMOUS seems to be the carrier that cares most about WP, the others sure don't.
I guess I'll un-cancel lol.
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QUOTE=inteller;23806667]The Focus will get it but here are 3 devices I have my doubts on:
LG Quantum
HTC Surround
Dell Venue Pro
But why are some first gen devices like the HD7 and the Focus chosen over the Quantum, Surround, Dell etc to get the Apollo update? All have same specs except HD7 with extra 64 MB. So what's so special about my HD7 and the focus? And if it's about OEMs, why would HTC choose HD7 over Surround? Really want to know those reasons. Any help?
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QUOTE=inteller;23806667]The Focus will get it but here are 3 devices I have my doubts on:
LG Quantum
HTC Surround
Dell Venue Pro
But why are some first gen devices like the HD7 and the Focus chosen over the Quantum, Surround, Dell etc to get the Apollo update? All have same specs except HD7 with extra 64 MB. So what's so special about my HD7 and the focus? And if it's about OEMs, why would HTC choose HD7 over Surround? Really want to know those reasons. Any help?
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Actually, the Quantum only had 256 Mb ram, I believe. The Surround had like 448 Mb ram or something like that.
Edit: nvm, gsmarena says the quantum has 512 Mb ram now. -.-
whats about LG optimus 7?
hope it will get apollo,would be a good finish to first gen devices!
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Thanks for introducing me to everythingWM.com, looks like a solid techblog.
You welcome ;-)
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I sincerely doubt US carriers will allow Apollo updates to be pushed (even if MSFT releases them). I plan to use my first gen wp as a zune with wifi.
Hello everyone, we might have all seen the latest news on the windowsteamblog.com.
So, I've been thinking....I know Mango was made available to all current phones so I don't really see how one shouldn't update. But what if Mango was an update that most devices couldn't get? Let’s take the Apollo update for example; incase the update comes and current devices are not able to upgrade due to some reasons whatsoever (eg: Multicore compatibility) and we get people with Mango and Apollo all in the ecosystem and then Windows Phone 9 comes and Microsoft once again wants to upgrade & improve the Marketplace so all devices should upgrade to Windows 8 or loose the Marketplace....what happens to the WP 7.5 consumers? Will we be foreced to get newer devices? It's been bothering me and thought I ask.
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That's a very good question, However by that time I am sure we will all be coming to the end of Contracts etc and gagging for an upgrade, Enjoy the moment and try not to threat about what's around the corner.
Good but the thing is not all countries support contracts. In my country, phones are unbranded (non-carrier based) and you can imagine....they cost like hell. I bought my HTC HD7 at a price of $800 when WP came out and its currently $500 since new devices with Mango are out...so you really need to take care of your phone so it lasts till you can save again to buy another if only you can. So for us in this situation, we really need to hold onto our phone for years and wouldn't like to be ignored by the OS...would still like to receive updates and stuff.
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Now that HTC have confirmed they are not providing any further OS updates for the One X and the One X+, I started a thread in the One X+ forum with a survey monkey link to give us all the chance to tell HTC what we think of their decision. Please take 5 minutes to complete the survey. The thread is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=49619827
Many users are frustrated that HTC don't listen to their customers so I compiled the survey to give us all the opportunity to express our collected opinion. Carpe diem!
Yeah, really bad move from HTC! :/
yeah, you pay good money for a device with good spec and you expect, because of the spec you would get more updates other than just JB, poor move HTC
It's not that I'm disappointed by the amount of updates, it's more that the updates HTC gave us constantly broke things. One of the first Updates added a new bootloader which broke the compactiblity of CM10, the update to 3.20.XXX.3 added a new touch driver which broke compactiblity to touch in recovery (at least if you still want to be able to use mass storage/adb) and the 4.2.2 update broke our wifi in october and htc still didn't bother to deliver a fix after almost half a year! I would have prefered when they had just made a single update from 4.0 to 4.2 and even keeped sense 4 as long as they had delived a fully working rom.
An other problem of htc are their kernel source releases: they always wait till the end of the 90-days-period after the rom-update before they release it, even though they definitly had it since the release of the rom update. Take an example at samsung: they haven't updated the note 3 to 4.4yet but the kernel source is already there!
I will never, ever again buy another HTC or Tegra phone.
Vote with your wallet, and don't buy HTC again. I certainly won't.
I think all phone manufacturers should keep phones updated for 2 years minimum as that is how long most phone contracts are for.
In the EU they are already covered by a 2 year warranty, i would expect the update issue to be forced in this region for the same reason.
Here is hoping any way
It is funny that for example LG will upgrade some low end devices to 4.4,a HTC wont upgrade One X and One X+ and they still have decent hardware and very nice display...shame on you HTC
I made my views pretty clear. HTC won't listen, if they do, it'll be a half ar**d support like the desire, desire HD...etc etc. Next time i'm just getting a google nexus phone outright and a 30 day rolling contract. Bye Bye HTC, hope you either learn or sink
The survey it doesn't mention the one x only the one x+, I am all for power to the consumer but HTC won't change their mind. I personally think if HTC had better update support then they would see a better market share. Look at the support Apple gave the iPhone 4/4s. I like HTC phones but I might look else where
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The survey it doesn't mention the one x only the one x+, I am all for power to the consumer but HTC won't change their mind. I personally think if HTC had better update support then they would see a better market share. Look at the support Apple gave the iPhone 4/4s. I like HTC phones but I might look else where
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What are the features on Kitkat that we don't have on 4.2.2 Sense 5 ?
I had the Frustration of updates when i was on desire z 2.2 and the upgrade to 2.3 (download manager and the toggle buttons) was extremely late in my country
but since hox started 4.1 i have not found Google adding any thing revolutionary that make a lot of difference to the device experience
I have been using HTC because of the build and the design of devices, only thing i hate about how htc handled hox is the brokern wifi on the current build, it has been disappointing
Not with HTC but I can share with you guyes
Do not give a damn whether my HOX gets more updates or not, what I care is the solid system, that's all.
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Not with HTC but I can share with you guyes
Do not give a damn whether my HOX gets more updates or not, what I care is the solid system, that's all.
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It's a point of principle that you sell something to people and two years later you say to them "hey you bought our stuff within the last two years, but we can't support it anymore". Yes it isn't the end of the world and the phone won't exactly stop working, but when it's capable of getting the update and giving us (the people who buy the thing) a better android experience, then why deny us that? Not all of us want to keep getting new phones all the time.
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It's a point of principle that you sell something to people and two years later you say to them "hey you bought our stuff within the last two years, but we can't support it anymore". Yes it isn't the end of the world and the phone won't exactly stop working, but when it's capable of getting the update and giving us (the people who buy the thing) a better android experience, then why deny us that? Not all of us want to keep getting new phones all the time.
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Well that's a matter of choice that how you define "support".
No offence, but I can clearly see now (after the whole jb update issue back then) people who are somehow involved in software development or maintanance do get a clearer view.
Do you expect your Windows XP laptop to have Windows 8 free(which is three major versions later)?
Do you even tried to guess not even calculate what are the costs to HTC to update this phone further?
It came with 4.0, got minor fix, major in terms of effect but minor in version
Got major with 4.1 and got two minors for it
Got major with 4.2 and got one minor for it
The phone is supported, it is evolving and this must have an end. After 4.4 Google might release sonething magnificent too, if HTC provides 4.4, won't you want 4.5 too? Where does it stop? What is the ethical point to stop? No where...
It is just an economical view and that's the only approach you can have.
And HTC is a small company and it has a detailed "overlay software" over Android bla bla bla known stuff.
HTC's policy is the same for years.. I want you guys to stop this for saving your own energy, not for saving HTC don't get me wrong. I don't care how HTC feels, I ***** to their face on elevate
But ppl always consume time and energy about this and I just wanted to point out that its useless, of course you can do whtver u want
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Yep waste of space thread, if you want kit kat flash one of the 2 variants posted in this section.
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Well that's a matter of choice that how you define "support".
No offence, but I can clearly see now (after the whole jb update issue back then) people who are somehow involved in software development or maintanance do get a clearer view.
Do you expect your Windows XP laptop to have Windows 8 free(which is three major versions later)?
Do you even tried to guess not even calculate what are the costs to HTC to update this phone further?
It came with 4.0, got minor fix, major in terms of effect but minor in version
Got major with 4.1 and got two minors for it
Got major with 4.2 and got one minor for it
The phone is supported, it is evolving and this must have an end. After 4.4 Google might release sonething magnificent too, if HTC provides 4.4, won't you want 4.5 too? Where does it stop? What is the ethical point to stop? No where...
It is just an economical view and that's the only approach you can have.
And HTC is a small company and it has a detailed "overlay software" over Android bla bla bla known stuff.
HTC's policy is the same for years.. I want you guys to stop this for saving your own energy, not for saving HTC don't get me wrong. I don't care how HTC feels, I ***** to their face on elevate
But ppl always consume time and energy about this and I just wanted to point out that its useless, of course you can do whtver u want
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well getting a phone on a 2 year contract suddenly becomes our fault if the company decides not to support it....ethical point to stop it would be when most people who've got the one x on a contract when it got released finish that contract. THAT in my mind would be ethical. But of course, there are other companies (crapsung) who updated their galaxy s2 all the way from gingerbread to 4.1.2 with touchwiz. Yes samsung is a bigger company but HTC are there to take the fight to them for market place...no? then i'm sorry....my prejudice still stands.
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well getting a phone on a 2 year contract suddenly becomes our fault if the company decides not to support it....ethical point to stop it would be when most people who've got the one x on a contract when it got released finish that contract. THAT in my mind would be ethical. But of course, there are other companies (crapsung) who updated their galaxy s2 all the way from gingerbread to 4.1.2 with touchwiz. Yes samsung is a bigger company but HTC are there to take the fight to them for market place...no? then i'm sorry....my prejudice still stands.
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Why do you look for a side to put a blame on? You're still using the word "support" for upgrading a sofware to an upper version, but let stay in terms, if we're looking for "ethical", this does NOT mean support. I can get many things as your opinion, but this is NOT. HTC does still support One X, it is not upgrading the software to another major version, that is it. Don't wanna look annoying but I am a software and management consultant and make lots of Support and Maintenance agreements, what you want is not support.
Well, you want an ethical solution.. In Turkey One X was still sold I think ended about 4-5 months ago, and with 3 year contracts. It is also sold for a long time, may be not in Western countries or in Oceania, but deciding just for those countries is not legal right? So, how long the upgrade process should last then? till 2016? 2017? This has no ethical solution. You used the key word, most. This is the best way to measure the economic point of view Would you like to make a market analysis to find out when the One X is sold most? Would you choose a specific month of a year? This is a dead-end bro, believe me.
Again, don't wanna look annoying, but then get a crapsung, you do know they do update their phones further, that is clear from Sensation/S2.
This is how HTC makes their market strategy and you might say that it is clear that ther strategy is not working, but most of experts beliece upgrades are not the main reason for this.
Anyways, I don't wanna "troll" in the topic where people write their opinions, just wanted to share mine.
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But it´s not about when the phone was released in YOUR Country but when it was released OFFICIALLY. And this was in April 2012 which means that HTC could release one last Update aka 4.4.
But as far as I know it´s not the fault of HTC but Nvidia for not supporting the Chipset in One X/X+ but only the one in the Nexus 7 2012 which means there are no new Kernels for 4.4
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But it´s not about when the phone was released in YOUR Country but when it was released OFFICIALLY. And this was in April 2012 which means that HTC could release one last Update aka 4.4.
But as far as I know it´s not the fault of HTC but Nvidia for not supporting the Chipset in One X/X+ but only the one in the Nexus 7 2012 which means there are no new Kernels for 4.4
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But then are we looking for an ethical solution, if we choose the start point as global release? I may have bought my phone as soon as it is released in my country and it could have been December 2012, and I might have gotten it with a three year contract. Who has the blame for my situation then? And the two is years is something just we made up since "most" of the users get the phone in two-year contracts and the warranty is for two years.
One last update.. But we still haven't reached May 2014, and till then Google might release a 4.5? Wouldn't we want it then?
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The only way we can change things regarding updates is to try to evoke a law where the minimal update timeframe is set
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Well that´s another Problem with all the phone brands who build Android phones.
The updates take much too long to get released for the phones.
If I would follow your logic we still should get Android Kit Kat since it was released in November. A better example would be 4.3 which was released for Nexus phones 2 months before 4.2 was released for HOX(+).
It effectively means we got 2 big Android revisions (4.1 + 4.2) which means 1 year of support but it was only stretched from April 2012 (official release) to July/August 2013 (last update)
And just for your interest. It doesn´t matter how long the carrier contracts run or when it was released in YOUR country. It´s about unbranded devices which are officially released. Carrier branded phones shouldn´t be bought anymore and/or the consumer shouldn´t choose them anymore to make clear that the way carriers are working isn´t consumer friendly but that´s a whole different point