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[Q] Why CM9?

CM9 seems to be making good progress and seems to be generating lots of excitement.
I'm trying to decide if this is for me. I've been reading some of the threads, but can't seem to find clear answer to some basic questions:
What are the advantage of CM9 and ICS?
Is about new "killer" features which are only available on ICS? If yes, what are they?
Or is it simply about having the latest/newest thing? (A sentiment I can identify with, but which I currently don't share)
Are there any advantages/disadvantages in terms of smoothness/speed, more/less memory, better/worse battery usage, stability/instability, or other general areas which aren't necessarily associated with any one feature?
(I realize CM9 is still in alpha mode; I've read the bug list and I think I can live with that for now if there are overall positive advantages).
I thank you in advance for responding (or for pointing me to another post/thread where these questions are clearly answered).

Its really about the newest GUI that makes it to die for. Its surprisingly smooth for an alpha does a little bit more battery consumption because it is a new OS version and all new OS are going to require more resources and RAM and other things in order run so the ovbious. Its really all up to your prefrence if you want the latest and greatest go for it. If you like your current setup and don't feel like the move is that important by all means stay. Its all opinion whether or not you make the "jump" is all up to you. I tried to unbiased as possible since I'm on it
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Chabsin said:
CM9 seems to be making good progress and seems to be generating lots of excitement.
I"m trying to decide if this is for me. I've been reading some of the threads, but can't seem to find clear answer to some basic questions:
What are the advantage of CM9 and ICS?
Is about new "killer" features which are only available on ICS? If yes, what are they?
Or is it simply about having the latest/newest thing? (A sentiment I can identify with, but which I currently don't share)
Are there any advantages/disadvantages in terms of smoothness/speed, more/less memory, better/worse battery usage, stability/instability, or other general areas which aren't necessarily associated with any one feature?
(I realize CM9 is still in alpha mod; I've read the bug list and I think I can live with that for now if there are overall positive advantages).
I thank you in advance for responding (or for pointing me to another post/thread where these questions are clearly answered).
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Here's the best anyone can tell you to sum it up.
Simply test Cm9 see if you like it check features do tests etc...
Try different kernels, cpu combos (schedulers, governors).
Yadada and so forth.
Hop you find whatcha ya looking for
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Nice well written question. Couple of quick observations on my part...battery is a little worse, stability is phenomenal, it uses a little more RAM, there are apps available exclusively for ICS and there will be more, it is very quick and snappy, and definitely for me about running the latest and also not available for the non-roots out there.
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I think the real question here is why not? What advantages do you have on stock that outweighs CM9? on a more serious note, I like to stick with the herd that unifies the updating experience into one rom instead of scattered roms. Hence, Cyanogenmod for me. Stock is still awesome, expecially toadlife and other stockish roms by others. Useful for dialer codes.
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I had the same question last Saturday, so I finally decided to made the jump and I'm liking it so far. It gives u a feeling of a new phone. I'm not regretting my decision but wish the battery was better. But I think u gonna like it
if I helped u in any way pls DONT hit the thanx button... I'm not a thanx-whore.

The only 2 reasons I know of to NOT jump to CM9 is the video tearing issue and the unavoidable fact that the battery lasts for less time.
If neither of these are a major concerns, CM9 should be your go to build.
Everything seems pretty much set to go, but CM9 is missing a few elements in respect to customization, that have yet to come upstream (hence the Alpha tag), themes is an example, but you can load them the old fashioned way if you want.

I would have to say don't worry about it using more RAM and battery. I ran the v6 supercharger and my RAM consumption is super low. Juice defender has also worked great for battery life. Waaay better than the phones stock capabilities.
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Its worked great for me. I like to jump around roms and try new stuff a lot and I've stuck with cm9 for a while. Like it a lot...no crashes...no problems....only drawback might be battery life BUT I'm always around a charger so I'm not too worried about that
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kennyglass123 said:
Nice well written question. Couple of quick observations on my part...battery is a little worse, stability is phenomenal, it uses a little more RAM, there are apps available exclusively for ICS and there will be more, it is very quick and snappy, and definitely for me about running the latest and also not available for the non-roots out there.
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Agreed, I'm looking forward to seeing what new apps will be available with ICS.

There really are no standouts as to why cm9 is better to me, until I actually use it. Everything works better to me. Copy paste, options such as chrome browser w the sweet quick zoom option. Better t9 dialer as stock el30 only searched first or last name and cm9 searches both. There are many more little things that make it much improved to me. Folders are simple and easily organized. Very smooth w the right tweaks and overall my experience is better. I have a plethora of batteries now but battery life appears to be the same as gbread for me. I heavily use this phone for many purposes and haven't used gbread since October (had an ns4g) but for maybe a day or two. It works better for me.

I personally like CM9 due to the latest and greatest, however my biggest feature for CM9 is the bridging the gab between my laptop PC and my mobile devices. with ICS, I can natively sync chrome for example, which is a HUGE benefit for me when I have tons of bookmarks. I LOVE the UI changes in Google Apps, like GMail and Maps.
All in all, I have no problems with the build and say anyone that needs to bridge the gap between their devices should switch.
My two cents
Happy flashing!

if you want more settings control for things like app permissions then cm9 is not "there" yet (upstream issue NOT our amazing devs). Otherwise as others have said, it seems faster/more responsive. I've been using it since the first release. minimal bugs and annoyances but workable (for me at least) as a daily driver. I use zeam as my launcher so the visual diff from cm7 to cm9 did not seem all that much. It is nice to be able to take advantage of newer apps like chrome etc. I do miss the extra options/config available in cm7..
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Has development of CM7 slowed at all because of CM9?

danipoak said:
Has development of CM7 slowed at all because of CM9?
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To a halt.
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Thanks to all who replied.
No one has yet enumerated clearly the "killer features". But I hear it's more responsive - though it uses more juice. I'm hearing that it's a new experience. I suppose I'll have to try it out myself and decide. So far I've already converted to mtd. Now I can try it without a large time investment.
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i think the major changes are internal at this point. by using cm9 you are extending the "life" of your phone another year or so.. and by 'life' i guess i mean ability to take advantage of the wide range of new ics things (apps/improvements etc) as they come out.. the good news is you can always wait and do it later when things mature..
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[Q] Custom ROM vs Stock ROM - is it really that much faster?

I bought my GSII used, already rooted, with a custom ROM already loaded on it.
I have to ask - since I never used one with a 100% pure stock ROM - is it really THAT MUCH faster with a custom?
I am currently running Juggs 5.0 - but if I went back to 100% stock would I feel that much difference?

JWhipple said:
I bought my GSII used, already rooted, with a custom ROM already loaded on it.
I have to ask - since I never used one with a 100% pure stock ROM - is it really THAT MUCH faster with a custom?
I am currently running Juggs 5.0 - but if I went back to 100% stock would I feel that much difference?
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It's not really about speed. But with a custom ROM you definitely have more customizations possible. You can change the look of the interface, the notification toggles, colors etc. I have the i9100, which is another variant of the SGS2 and I've had ICS for a couple of months now, but it's not getting officially released until this month some time. So, it's not really about speed but rather about the freedom to do other things with it. Some people might cite benchmark tests, and scream that I'm wrong, but the hardware is what makes your phone fast...the software's not at all going to choke that out (whether stock or custom). As far as speed goes, you're probably not going to notice the difference.
Also, though you've got root access which enables you to install apps and do things you just can't do otherwise.
All that said, there are certain advantages to stock. It's often times more stable than something custom. There are ups and downs. If you feel the need to experiment, you can always flash back. Just read a lot before you get your feet wet (it is very possible to brick your device if you muck it up) and you'll be fine.

I don't think so. I'm going to get flamed plenty I'm sure but I don't see much improvement over how my phone performed out of the box. I think the battery life may even have been better before I started flashing stuff.

I should have stated in my original post - I am definitely not a n00b to Android or to flashing/rooting. I can understand the customization aspect, but honestly other than flashing, I have never had a real use for Root access.
I can flash something with a new custom interface or colors and always end up coming back to something that has the stock look about it... In this case, I've tried almost every available custom ROM and keep coming back to Juggs .
I ask about speed though because all the ROM cooks seem to try to use that as a selling point... "FAST!" "Butter smooth!" blah blah blah ...

JWhipple said:
I should have stated in my original post - I am definitely not a n00b to Android or to flashing/rooting. I can understand the customization aspect, but honestly other than flashing, I have never had a real use for Root access.
I can flash something with a new custom interface or colors and always end up coming back to something that has the stock look about it... In this case, I've tried almost every available custom ROM and keep coming back to Juggs .
I ask about speed though because all the ROM cooks seem to try to use that as a selling point... "FAST!" "Butter smooth!" blah blah blah ...
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After I posted, I looked at your tag, and assumed as much with 700+ posts, you've been around the XDA block.
Really? No need for root?! I'm a flashing junkie (well, okay, that's exaggerated. it comes and goes in spurts) TitaniumBackup is my friend. Also CWM is a gift.
Agreed, stock ICS is love. But I do also like certain tweaks, i.e. the %-battery indicator (and while we're on the subject, I've got a little Android logo with a % indicator for my battery...I wonder why Android devs don't include little things like that).
Yeah, your best bet is to try some out. But IMHO devs talk too much in that regard. I'll probably get flamed if any read this, but devs are kinda like used car salesmen in that regard. They've got a product that they want you to use, so they try to sell it. Can't say I blame 'em, really. But again IMO, most of it's hype.

I didn't think you were new to Android since your account is almost 4 years old so I'd assumed you were familiar with all the "benefits" of rooting. The phone is so nice out of the box I don't think any of the roms are any smoother or better on battery. I think Warfare is probably the best on battery and for me CM7 was easliy the worst. I didn't notice a change in data speed, 2d smoothness, 3d smoothness, battery cover smoothness... Nothing. The device is so nice out of the box and I don't use it for anything other than a phone, text messaging, web browsing, e-mail, Skype, the occasional slicing of fruit or a word or two with friends so I can't comment on all the added functionality all the "super-duper heavy users" of this device probably use on custom roms. The only reason mine is rooted is for an ad host file and the occasional tether.
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sean is here. said:
After I posted, I looked at your tag, and assumed as much with 700+ posts, you've been around the XDA block.
Really? No need for root?! I'm a flashing junkie (well, okay, that's exaggerated. it comes and goes in spurts) TitaniumBackup is my friend. Also CWM is a gift.
Agreed, stock ICS is love. But I do also like certain tweaks, i.e. the %-battery indicator (and while we're on the subject, I've got a little Android logo with a % indicator for my battery...I wonder why Android devs don't include little things like that).
Yeah, your best bet is to try some out. But IMHO devs talk too much in that regard. I'll probably get flamed if any read this, but devs are kinda like used car salesmen in that regard. They've got a product that they want you to use, so they try to sell it. Can't say I blame 'em, really. But again IMO, most of it's hype.
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When I had a Fascinate... I was a huge fan of overclocking and undervolting. The same when I had a Thunderbolt. It made everything smoother and the Thunderbolt especially needed help in the battery area. This device just works. No need for anything other than what it came with for me. Obviously that didn't stop me from flashing the development section... But hey, I have a problem.

Warfare is very good.but,no advantage so far.
For me,im back on stock.just works better for me (doesnt mean I wont have a flash attack).
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JWhipple said:
I bought my GSII used, already rooted, with a custom ROM already loaded on it.
I have to ask - since I never used one with a 100% pure stock ROM - is it really THAT MUCH faster with a custom?
I am currently running Juggs 5.0 - but if I went back to 100% stock would I feel that much difference?
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the thing with our device is that it came sooo sick straight out of the box that you don't really need to improve it that much. However, custom ROMs/kernels generally make the ROMs smoother, but not many people notice the difference.
I actually notice that because of the kernels implemented with certain ROMs, our phone is able to RUN just as smooth at a lower clockspeed which saves us battery. Other than that, I don't think Custom ROMs are actually "SMOOTHER" or faster than the stock ROM because Samsung really did well on this phone.

sunlaw2 said:
Warfare is very good.but,no advantage so far.
For me,im back on stock.just works better for me (doesnt mean I wont have a flash attack).
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I'm going to look for a ROM that is close to stock as possible but rooted... try it for a week and if I can.live with the speed I'm going back to stock via Odin.
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JWhipple said:
I'm going to look for a ROM that is close to stock as possible but rooted... try it for a week and if I can.live with the speed I'm going back to stock via Odin.
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The main difference is the bloatware which really does make an impact on speed, memory consumption and overall smoothness.

Some rom cook faster, you should choose the rom cook by team have many vote on forum.
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Don't want to root. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DTgvLPOYLg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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I was just going to start a similar thread actually. I have watched videos of the different ROM's that we can install on the T989 variant to get an idea of what's available and what I like. Currently SlickMOD ROM looks the smoothest with the best battery life.
Having said that, in the video that I saw, when quadrant was run on SlickMOD, while it was overclocked, the score was approx 2690. When I ran Quadrant on my Stock ROM (rooted Stock ROM without being overclocked either) I got a score of 3199. Also, after 16 hours of use I still usually have more than 50% battery life.
Other than the options for different themes and customizations and ROM control, are custom ROMs going to provide better performance and battery life than what I am already receiving with my Stock? I mean I really want to give the other ROM's a try, but the reason would be for speed and battery life and right now both are pretty good for me on Stock. Thoughts/Suggestions?

Karakoram2 said:
Don't want to root. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DTgvLPOYLg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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What the hell does this have to do with the discussion?

Chochiwpg said:
I was just going to start a similar thread actually. I have watched videos of the different ROM's that we can install on the T989 variant to get an idea of what's available and what I like. Currently SlickMOD ROM looks the smoothest with the best battery life.
Having said that, in the video that I saw, when quadrant was run on SlickMOD, while it was overclocked, the score was approx 2690. When I ran Quadrant on my Stock ROM (rooted Stock ROM without being overclocked either) I got a score of 3199. Also, after 16 hours of use I still usually have more than 50% battery life.
Other than the options for different themes and customizations and ROM control, are custom ROMs going to provide better performance and battery life than what I am already receiving with my Stock? I mean I really want to give the other ROM's a try, but the reason would be for speed and battery life and right now both are pretty good for me on Stock. Thoughts/Suggestions?
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Generally speaking (I don't own this device) stock ROMs will normally get better battery life. Custom ROMs can approach stock, in this regard, but I'd be way beyond surprised if a cook made a ROM that had better battery life than Google's team of Android developers.

Problem with SlickMOD is that the dev's T989 broke and he isn't getting another one - so - development has HALTED.

sean is here. said:
Generally speaking (I don't own this device) stock ROMs will normally get better battery life. Custom ROMs can approach stock, in this regard, but I'd be way beyond surprised if a cook made a ROM that had better battery life than Google's team of Android developers.
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Makes sense, just for fun I ran Quadrant again on my Stock Rooted ROM and got a 3358. Maybe I should reconsider switching to a different ROM for now. Stock is very stable with no real issues/concerns. thanks for the response.

Chochiwpg said:
Makes sense, just for fun I ran Quadrant again on my Stock Rooted ROM and got a 3358. Maybe I should reconsider switching to a different ROM for now. Stock is very stable with no real issues/concerns. thanks for the response.
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Which stock-rooted ROM are you running? Mr. X's ?

JWhipple said:
Which stock-rooted ROM are you running? Mr. X's ?
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It's the Stock ROM that came with my phone. I rooted the phone but haven't flashed any custom kernel's or custom ROMs on my phone. I also use Zeam Launcher as opposed to the TW Launcher by default. I have turned off animations, limited my homescreens to 3. I don't use too many widgets and I use an all black background. Also running Juice Defender to help with battery but I don't think that affects performance/speed.
Model Number = SGH-T898D
Android Version = 2.3.5
Baseband Version = T989DTLKJ3
Kernel Version = 2.6.35.11
Build Number = GINGERBREAD.TLKJ3
I don't know if that helps or answers your question. Hope that helps.

I'm willing to bet that the performance gains that are being seen on the Stock ROMs is due to the fact that they are ODEXed. By DeODEXing the ROMs can be customized to the cook's heart's content, but there is a mild performance hit taken.
Thoughts?

Phonedog review of ICS on GS2

Lolz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKHaoQ-QfrQ&list=FLLflYUVRnJN5YGTjFEzdaNA&feature=mh_lolz
The question I have is, how does the stock ICS release rate in terms of battery life and performance as compared to TDJ's and Whitehawk's releases? If its not any faster or runs longer, why bother until TDJ/WH release tweaked versions?
DK

Aarons a pretty cool dude lol battery life on the new tmo release didn't cut it for me but others reported good bat life. Give it a go and see how it flows for ya.
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When I had my SII, ICS was cool and all but the performance and battery life just weren't as good as the GB builds. I always ended up going back to GB
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should probably wait until TDJ releases the new version with his own kernel.

I am quite underwhelmed with the performance. Speed, smoothness, battery life, all better with GB. Not sure what they were thinking in this upgrade. Why send it something that makes the phones perform worse with no noticeable added features. Wasn't this supposed to be the upgrade to really show off the dual core processors?
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You people serious? The update literally not even been out 48 hours and you're all complaining about battery and performance? For one, that's not enough time to judge battery, two, did you really think a stock build would be some epic thing? Any one with any sense was excited for what it meant for custom ROMs.
FWIW, I ran stock until last night. That was when TDJ posted his first stock but tweaked and debloated ICS ROM from all things official. That said, the battery did just fine on tmo stock for the whole 16 or so hours that it ran on a single charge. Yeah, no tweaks, nothing crazy going on, just stock as it was installed through Kies.

bobpantsspongesquare said:
You people serious? The update literally not even been out 48 hours and you're all complaining about battery and performance? For one, that's not enough time to judge battery, two, did you really think a stock build would be some epic thing? Any one with any sense was excited for what it meant for custom ROMs.
FWIW, I ran stock until last night. That was when TDJ posted his first stock but tweaked and debloated ICS ROM from all things official. That said, the battery did just fine on tmo stock for the whole 16 or so hours that it ran on a single charge. Yeah, no tweaks, nothing crazy going on, just stock as it was installed through Kies.
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Its not just the performance that is the problem. Its the fact that they have the keys to making this phone great and are paid well to do so and our amazing unpaid devs have to clean up the mess that the tmo devs left behind. I mean srsly? Releasing a stock rom with shutdown and reboot hang? WORSE battery life? i had to flash a camera fix to make it EVEN WORK. PERIOD. Idk if they even fixed wifi calling but im leaning toward no. Bottom line its pretty lackluster and our devs here are our saving grace.
sent from my t989. Mash that thanks button if I helped! giggitygiggitygiggitygiggity!

I don't understand the people on this forum sometimes, you people make my head hurt.

I wholeheartedly agree. Devs spend their time fixing more than enhancing. To anyone complaining about people complaining.
NOT EVERYONE WILL HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE YOU DO.
Me being one of those people. Ucle2 runs much better, smoother with 20+ hours of bat life with 3+ hours of screen on time. With the tmo release I got lag, screen glitches and battery life not even half as good as tdjs evo 7.1.
...yet there are people that have absolutely no issues. Understand that the people with no issues are the minority. Not everyone wants to mod their phone. The amount of tmo gs2 owners on this forum are the minority compared to the millions of average users without knowledge of rooting.
...how do you think ics will run on their gb equipped handsets??
Leave the minority alone unless you have helpful info on changing their experience. If not, I and the rest of the ****ed updaters don't want to hear your 2 cents.
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RushAOZ said:
I wholeheartedly agree. Devs spend their time fixing more than enhancing. To anyone complaining about people complaining.
NOT EVERYONE WILL HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE YOU DO.
Me being one of those people. Ucle2 runs much better, smoother with 20+ hours of bat life with 3+ hours of screen on time. With the tmo release I got lag, screen glitches and battery life not even half as good as tdjs evo 7.1.
...yet there are people that have absolutely no issues. Understand that the people with no issues are the minority. Not everyone wants to mod their phone. The amount of tmo gs2 owners on this forum are the minority compared to the millions of average users without knowledge of rooting.
...how do you think ics will run on their gb equipped handsets??
Leave the minority alone unless you have helpful info on changing their experience. If not, I and the rest of the ****ed updaters don't want to hear your 2 cents.
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It's not complaining about the complaining. It's shock at the naivety that a stock ROM would offer anything remotely close to what the GB customs offered let alone what the ICS customs will bring us very soon. I didn't expect anything out of TMO's ICS other than, hopefully, that tasty ICS look. TMO had other plans though so my one dream was shattered.
As for any issues with the TMO stock? I had only one. The wifi calling delay was still present for me. Aside from that, it did everything it should have. I understand as well that every experience is different but, again, the TMO release isn't the climax here. That is still to come.

bobpantsspongesquare said:
It's not complaining about the complaining. It's shock at the naivety that a stock ROM would offer anything remotely close to what the GB customs offered let alone what the ICS customs will bring us very soon. I didn't expect anything out of TMO's ICS other than, hopefully, that tasty ICS look. TMO had other plans though so my one dream was shattered.
As for any issues with the TMO stock? I had only one. The wifi calling delay was still present for me. Aside from that, it did everything it should have. I understand as well that every experience is different but, again, the TMO release isn't the climax here. That is still to come.
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Of course in a month or 2 this phone will surpass anything gingerbread gave us. Can't wait!
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Im happy with the update make sure to do a factory reset a lot issues get resolved like this. It did help to root and removed all tmobile bloat ware. Tmobile really needs stop putting useless apps on their phones
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Diekrupt said:
Lolz
The question I have is, how does the stock ICS release rate in terms of battery life and performance as compared to TDJ's and Whitehawk's releases? If its not any faster or runs longer, why bother until TDJ/WH release tweaked versions?
DK
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My g/f and I both have the t989. Her's is rooted with stock GB, and I was running Juggernaut. There was a profound difference in battery life between the two phones. So far, my battery life with Mr. X's stock/rooted ICS looks to be about the same as Juggernaut. She is running stock ICS now, but it is too soon to say how her battery compares. It should be the same, unless getting rid of the t-mo bloat makes a significant difference. I don't think it will for battery life, though.
About 2 weeks ago something happened with my phone and the Juggernaut install was corrupted. I flashed back to stock GB and I couldn't get a full 24 hours. With Juggernaut I can get about 3 days.
I really hated the t-mo version of ICS with all the bloat, but with it rooted, I used TB to freeze all the bloat away. Much cleaner phone now.
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rfail1988 said:
Its not just the performance that is the problem. Its the fact that they have the keys to making this phone great and are paid well to do so and our amazing unpaid devs have to clean up the mess that the tmo devs left behind. I mean srsly? Releasing a stock rom with shutdown and reboot hang? WORSE battery life? i had to flash a camera fix to make it EVEN WORK. PERIOD. Idk if they even fixed wifi calling but im leaning toward no. Bottom line its pretty lackluster and our devs here are our saving grace.
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You are thinking about this from the perspective of the phone owner and android and enthusiast. Think about it from their business perspective.
1) This is the last OS update for this phone. Their emphasis at this point is probably on the next 'latest and greatest' android phone.
2) They aren't interested in making this phone the 'best' it can be. They are simply aiming for better than adequate (that would be for your regular user grade android phone), they are aiming for above average, but not superlative. If they aimed for (and achieved) superlative, you might not be as interested in buying their next 'latest and greatest' android phone. You know "Hey, no need to upgrade now, because, with this latest update, this phone rocks."
3) Finally, judging by all the bloat, another major goal the company has set for the programmers is to develop built in apps, etc. that tempt customers into paying for additional fee based services, thus adding additional income streams.
I'm just glad that it is so relatively easy to root this phone and create custom roms for it. I'm also very thankful there is a talented community dedicated to that undertaking.

Blazer ROM Vs. FreeGS3 ROM

I have been using FreeGS3 ROM from Clark44 for the last few weeks and I love it. I started at .0.6 and been updating ever since. Clark44 is constantly working on this ROM so you know it will always be up to date and he is always open resolving any issues with the ROM. The first ROM I flashed was Blazer ROM from PhantomHacker and that was also a great ROM. Ive only tried v1.5. I was wondering your guys opinion on the two ROMs and how they differ if they do. battery life. speed and such.

I have both roms waiting for me when i get home from work. I will definitely give them both a test drive and will report back. I just got this phone so I'm definitely loving touchwiz so I'm glad both those roms have touchwiz with some tweaks.

Are you kidding me?
Freegs3 ...
No slight to any other dev, ...but right now, Freegs3 is class of the field.

FreeGS3 is clearly the best ROM out right now. No other Dev is doing what Clark44 is doing. Updates regularly. Installing stuff on ROM no one else has. FreeGS3 is in it's own class.

Naddict said:
Are you kidding me?
Freegs3 ...
No slight to any other dev, ...but right now, Freegs3 is class of the field.
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.Bambino said:
FreeGS3 is clearly the best ROM out right now. No other Dev is doing what Clark44 is doing. Updates regularly. Installing stuff on ROM no one else has. FreeGS3 is in it's own class.
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ditto

Blazer ROM, Best battery life of any ROM and very smooth and stable.

Both are excellent roms! I personally nandroid restore back and forth between the two. It's like Christmas in August
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Team sonic is the way to go...I feel the guy from blazer rom,,would make better use of his time working with clark44...after all there both tring to get preformance and battery life...2 heads are better than one
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tried every rom...lets just say.."seeggaaaa"

FreeGS3 Ftw imo
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I've always been a fan of Phantom and Blazer Rom since the Epic Touch days.....although I admit he just hits my personal sweet spot with the features he includes....I like Clark's rom too....I kind of don't like the Aroma feature though. It's cool, but for an extra 200MB when I have to download my roms at work?
Anyway, I'd give Blazer's 1.7 a chance. I like Clark's a lot too but to me Blazer seems a little more polished.

metal82 said:
Team sonic is the way to go...I feel the guy from blazer rom,,would make better use of his time working with clark44...after all there both tring to get preformance and battery life...2 heads are better than one
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blazer 1.7 is superfast. No lag, battery last almost 2 days
this message brought to you by my GalaxyS3 running Phantom's Blazer

Just flashed FreeGS3 v.0.0.9 its so sweet....

I started with Blazer 1.5. So far its been great up until the latest 1.7 update. It broke a lot of things even AFTER being released with a 100% chance of bootloop. No idea how that got past him and the testers. Ill try FGS3 and see how it goes.
On a different note, it pains me to see so many people asking tiring, old or silly questions about their phone (it sounds like half these people this is their first phone). How much faster and cleaner would threads be without every day someone asking a question that can be easily asked in Q&A or using Search/Google or reading the OP. I hope our GS3 userbase matures a little bit faster.

Pro-Con? Cyanogen?
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... On a different note, it pains me to see so many people asking tiring, old or silly questions about their phone (it sounds like half these people this is their first phone). How much faster and cleaner would threads be without every day someone asking a question that can be easily asked in Q&A or using Search/Google or reading the OP. I hope our GS3 userbase matures a little bit faster.
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As forum regular, you'll always encounter that from those of us who don't come here often. The fact is, stuff is hard to find from scratch because people don't always title their posts for clarity, major issues are discussed via thread-creep, and the search engine just doesn't deliver.
I looked today for a concise, simple pro-con comparing some of these ROMs to each other and to stock, and I didn't find one. I imagine the topic's been discussed in bits and pieces within multiple within threads here, but I couldn't find it in 10 minutes via search. Unless you're a regular reader, stuff is just hard to find quickly.
On the general topic, what's the consensus about Cyanogen 9? I ran C-7 on my GX2 and really liked the extensive customizations and features. I've seen lots of vague posts about the pros of C-9 on GS3, but no one's done even a basic con piece that I can find. It DOES look like the C-9 ROM has a very basic camera app with significantly fewer features than the stock ROM. What else do you lose with Cyanogen?
It looks to this non-expert like the ROMs you're debating here are relatively minor tweaks of stock ROM, while C-9 is an entirely different animal. I'm not such a hobbyist that I'm likely to flash a ROM for cooler animations, quicker transitions, or better menu transparencies. I see anecdotal claims that battery life is improved. How much better is it? Anyone tested it? What real functionality do you gain with these ROMs vs stock? What do you lose? I watched a video or two, and I remain unmoved.
Steve

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As forum regular, you'll always encounter that from those of us who don't come here often. The fact is, stuff is hard to find from scratch because people don't always title their posts for clarity, major issues are discussed via thread-creep, and the search engine just doesn't deliver.
I looked today for a concise, simple pro-con comparing some of these ROMs to each other and to stock, and I didn't find one. I imagine the topic's been discussed in bits and pieces within multiple within threads here, but I couldn't find it in 10 minutes via search. Unless you're a regular reader, stuff is just hard to find quickly.
On the general topic, what's the consensus about Cyanogen 9? I ran C-7 on my GX2 and really liked the extensive customizations and features. I've seen lots of vague posts about the pros of C-9 on GS3, but no one's done even a basic con piece that I can find. It DOES look like the C-9 ROM has a very basic camera app with significantly fewer features than the stock ROM. What else do you lose with Cyanogen?
It looks to this non-expert like the ROMs you're debating here are relatively minor tweaks of stock ROM, while C-9 is an entirely different animal. I'm not such a hobbyist that I'm likely to flash a ROM for cooler animations, quicker transitions, or better menu transparencies. I see anecdotal claims that battery life is improved. How much better is it? Anyone tested it? What real functionality do you gain with these ROMs vs stock? What do you lose? I watched a video or two, and I remain unmoved.
Steve
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It looks like you've been lurking here for a while. I can't really answer your CM9 question because I haven't tried it because, well, CM10 is actually very stable. I can't give you exact battery stats, but it can go for longer than twelve hours with a few hours screen time for me. You lose a lot of Touchwiz motion features compared to stock, but you get smoother animations and Google Now and just plain stock Android. You do lose a lot of extra camera features but the camera is fully functional.

I've been reading up on both, trying to figure out which one to flash on my phone. Am I right in thinking that FreeGS3 is more feature-filled with mods (like the custom notification toggles and Google Now), while Blazer is closer to stock?
Has anyone written (or YouTubed) a good comparison of the two?

Running blazers 1.7 rom. Seems kind of fast. What's the whole thing about "jelly bean" The anjmstions? I is that suppose to be like project butters improved frame rate? Sorry for my noobness.
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deff would like to know the answer to this. i am currently using phantom blazer and its amazing but it does seem closer to stock. would freegs3 be able to do more alterations?
ive been personally trying to figure out how to change the amimations through roomtoolboxpro but still no luck with phamtom blazer.

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deff would like to know the answer to this. i am currently using phantom blazer and its amazing but it does seem closer to stock. would freegs3 be able to do more alterations?
ive been personally trying to figure out how to change the amimations through roomtoolboxpro but still no luck with phamtom blazer.
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Personally I prefer clarks. Why not just take it for a test drive, try it out for a few days and see what kind of mileage you get

[Q] Extended batteries!

Hello hello!
So, I've had my evo for ages, (ages in modern tech terms of phones evolving, not an actually long time by human means) and, long story short, got a new phone, don't have the new phone, back on the evo.
I have the twin turbo GTR ROM and the battery life on my phone sucked. It wasn't the ROM, just letting you know that's what I have if it matters for this question!
So, I decided upon getting an extended battery. (I think 3500 or 4500 mAh, I can check when I get home, the case is fairly stuck on right now) and....I can't figure this thing out. The guide said that the phone will charge to 1,500, say 100%, but not truly be full, so you will need to leave it plugged in.....So I did, and upon unplugging it.....dropped, 99, 98, 97, all within about 10 minutes (normal for the evo, not for this new battery I would assume).
So, how do I make this work? What's the trick? I assume I can actually change the battery....settings(?) in the phone. I remember while in recovery seeing something about resetting the battery settings, and I vaguely remember something about DO NOT TOUCH THAT EVER UNLESS YOU KNOW WHY. Would now be a good time?
TL;DR; New extended battery, tips to get the most use of it? Also, since I am rooted and recoveried, what tricks can I do to make it properly read the new battery and it's larger mAh size.
****If you have a good ROM that you must recommend, or kernal, I am okay with that. I have no love for anything on my phone currently, kernel. rom, recovery, I'll replace it if you guys have good suggestions.
Thank you very much in advance!

First off, you want an SBC kernel on your ROM. Mason G if you have gingerbread, which you do, or Mason I if you're on ICS. Mazwoz's if you choose JB. Flash the appropriate kernel, charge the battery. Leave it on the charger for an extra hour for the hell of it and use it normally and let it drain fully. Recharge to full and it should calibrate. If not, there are plenty of battery calibration apps in the market.
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Awesome thank you! Also, if you or anyone knows, when i was using my evo last, they just started getting ics on it. I remember 4g was broken, and it seems now with the ics and JB roms, it's the same story. Are they planning on finding fix, or is it known that 4g will mst likely only work on GB? Either way I'll reflash my stuff, make sure I have the right stuff, charge, drain, and see how that goes. I would love to use JB simply to see if project butter helps my phone. The only phones I've used it on are at least 2-6x more powerful than my evo, so I can't tell how much project butter is helping, versus the few extra Ghz and cores.
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4G and FFC will likely never work. This device has been losing life at a steady rate. As far as JB, there are some good choices. With the proper set up and tweaking, it can become a daily. Well supported JB ROMs are evervolv, Mazwoz's JB, black bean AOKP, Baked AOKP, RemICS JB, and a couple others. All worth a try.
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4G and FFC will likely never work. This device has been losing life at a steady rate. As far as JB, there are some good choices. With the proper set up and tweaking, it can become a daily. Well supported JB ROMs are evervolv, Mazwoz's JB, black bean AOKP, Baked AOKP, RemICS JB, and a couple others. All worth a try.
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Yeahhhh. That's why I switched to my S2 but long story short, here I am again with my Evo.
Have you used the JB ROMs? Does the project butter make it better than a GB ROM that is tweaked for speed?
I think tomorrow at work I may spend the day trying new ROMs so I may just see for myself, but input would be appreciated! Also, thank you for all the help so far

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Yeahhhh. That's why I switched to my S2 but long story short, here I am again with my Evo.
Have you used the JB ROMs? Does the project butter make it better than a GB ROM that is tweaked for speed?
I think tomorrow at work I may spend the day trying new ROMs so I may just see for myself, but input would be appreciated! Also, thank you for all the help so far
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I've tried most all JB ROMs. I even developed one. They run well but still not as well as original gingerbread. The 2.3.5 kind. Not the CM7 kind. Never really liked it. Personal opinion though. If you want a perfect Gingerbread ROM, check of Decks ReLoaded or some of MBQsniper's work. As for jellybean, try the ones I listed. You'll find something you like, guaranteed.
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I have used all the jb ROMs out there. They are usable if you over look the small things. No FFC, GPS, a few glitches in video. Miui is not good yet. But most all builds before 4.2 are very good and 4.2 will be there before long.
If you want a good sense with all bells and whistles sense 3.5 works. Only glitch is htcfacebook.apk but FFC GPS BT everything works. On 3500 battery 1 get 24 hr heavy use 12 hrs streaming videos. Normal use 4 days and minimal use up to 8 days. Same goes for the sense 1.0 ROMs. For me I have not had much luck with 3.0 sense.
I have flashed almost everything out over the past 2 years I have had an evo.
As far as special tricks for extended battery there recall are none. Just plug it in and use it.
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I have seen a few people ask this question- (will project butter help my phone?) Well project butter isn't actually a thing, it isn't an app or a system, its more of an idea. And the idea is to make the system run as smooth as butter. You can't dig through your system and find Google.projectbutter.apk lol. It is optimizations and implications for ease of use within the new phones coming out, and likely what they implement won't help on our evos because of our aging out of date hardware.
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I have seen a few people ask this question- (will project butter help my phone?) Well project butter isn't actually a thing, it isn't an app or a system, its more of an idea. And the idea is to make the system run as smooth as butter. You can't dig through your system and find Google.projectbutter.apk lol. It is optimizations and implications for ease of use within the new phones coming out, and likely what they implement won't help on our evos because of our aging out of date hardware.
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Are you sure? I know it isn't one thing, but I very clearly remember reading that google did some sneaky tricks to get things running more smoothly, but I felt like it had to do with just basically making the hardware work more effeciently than it currently was.
"How is all of this done you might ask, well Google have used a variety of methods to accomplish it, ranging from something called “vsync timing” (which is making sure there's a consistent frame rate across all screen drawings and animations) and triple buffering, which helps the over frame rates appear a lot better. There's also a nifty system that tries to predict where you’ll go next on your device and help you get there quicker; awesome. Project Butter allows smartphones to take a bit more power from their processors and allows you to step down on accelerate right when it’s needed. "
I read stuff basically like that. I suppose the more correct question would be, will putting a jelly bean OS on my phone make it run smoother than my current GB ROM. I usually understand that the newer ROMs on older phones tend to mean more lag and whatnot, but if the project butter tweaks make it run BETTER than the older ROMs, I may want to use it.
However, I am getting my S2 back tomorrow! That will have JB on it once it's back in my hands, and that thing was silky smooth with ICS so I'm not worried.
As a general question though, have people noticed differences from ICS to JB for speed, responsiveness, and smoothness?