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[Q] unrevoked root with s-on

I just rooted my HTC Desire using unrEVOked 3.21. Everything was fine. I had superuser permission and so on.
Than i had a sudden reboots. After reboot the N1 gallery crashed. N1 gallery might have cause the reboots. So i remove it and everything is fine till now.
I wanted to load a custom rom. I boot in to bootloader and notice that its s-on.
My question is can I load custom roms with s-on. How come I'm s-on and I have root access. If everything is fine, than what does this s-on do. I'm new at all this, so please bare with me.
Thank you.

harvin23 said:
I just rooted my HTC Desire using unrEVOked 3.21. Everything was fine. I had superuser permission and so on.
Than i had a sudden reboots. After reboot the N1 gallery crashed. N1 gallery might have cause the reboots. So i remove it and everything is fine till now.
I wanted to load a custom rom. I boot in to bootloader and notice that its s-on.
My question is can I load custom roms with s-on. How come I'm s-on and I have root access. If everything is fine, than what does this s-on do. I'm new at all this, so please bare with me.
Thank you.
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S-Off = Full root ( Not really necessary unless you want to write to system and stuff while in Android. you can also change your splash screen if you would like)
S-On with root by unrevoked = Flash custom roms, radios, kernels, etc..
S-On is Sercurity On which means that the System files are only Read-Only.
S-Off uses AlphaRev's Hboot as this removes S-On. Its the Only way to get S-Off. I just S-Offed myself yesterday. It was scary at first but i really think its a good thing as you can use Metamorph/NinjaMorph or stuff.
I'd recommend just keep this information and when you get used to clockworkmod recovery then S-Off.
Remember that to get into recovery you must boot into Bootloader then scroll to Recovery with the volume up and down buttons then press the power down.
Oh, and to scroll between the clockworkmod menu, just use the trackpad. I also would not ecommend using Rom Manager as i remember the first time i used it and booted into recovery i was scqred to death as it brought me to a attention thing. I was scared to death.
Have Fun

shockem said:
S-Off = Full root ( Not really necessary unless you want to write to system and stuff while in Android. you can also change your splash screen if you would like)
S-On with root by unrevoked = Flash custom roms, radios, kernels, etc..
S-On is Sercurity On which means that the System files are only Read-Only.
S-Off uses AlphaRev's Hboot as this removes S-On. Its the Only way to get S-Off. I just S-Offed myself yesterday. It was scary at first but i really think its a good thing as you can use Metamorph/NinjaMorph or stuff.
I'd recommend just keep this information and when you get used to clockworkmod recovery then S-Off.
Remember that to get into recovery you must boot into Bootloader then scroll to Recovery with the volume up and down buttons then press the power down.
Oh, and to scroll between the clockworkmod menu, just use the trackpad. I also would not ecommend using Rom Manager as i remember the first time i used it and booted into recovery i was scqred to death as it brought me to a attention thing. I was scared to death.
Have Fun
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Thank you so much.. That was really usefull information bro... you mention that my system files are read only with unrEVOked... yday i used root explorer to change some system files... could that be the cause my device rebooted...
another thing i want to know is that i want to install busybox.. do i need s-off to do this... if i ever hard/soft reset will the busybox also be removed...
and i also removed some stock applications... will they also be reinstalled if i reset my HTC desire...

You dont need S-OFF to install busybox. Dont worry about S-OFF. Most power users dont need it. It's more a liability.
Stock apps may be reinstalled with choosing to install a ROM which includes them. Most ROMS have addon files with stock apps. Or you may choose and pick from a ROM Kitchen.

harvin23 said:
Thank you so much.. That was really usefull information bro... you mention that my system files are read only with unrEVOked... yday i used root explorer to change some system files... could that be the cause my device rebooted...
another thing i want to know is that i want to install busybox.. do i need s-off to do this... if i ever hard/soft reset will the busybox also be removed...
and i also removed some stock applications... will they also be reinstalled if i reset my HTC desire...
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No problem Last time when i rooted without S-Off, i tried copying things around the system folders and it never worked. That might and should have been the cause of your reboots. The rest of it has been answered by Droidzone

thanks guys for all the information... i just download a new custom rom and was going to flash it... but there is something bothering me... its the radio... the custom rom has different radio... will the radio change once i install the custom... is there any complications...
what is the things i need to consider before flashing a rom... im really sorry guys but this phone cost RM2000 (Malaysian Ringgit)... i dont want screw it... just taking precautions...
thanks for all the help guys...

harvin23 said:
thanks guys for all the information... i just download a new custom rom and was going to flash it... but there is something bothering me... its the radio... the custom rom has different radio... will the radio change once i install the custom... is there any complications...
what is the things i need to consider before flashing a rom... im really sorry guys but this phone cost RM2000 (Malaysian Ringgit)... i dont want screw it... just taking precautions...
thanks for all the help guys...
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Flashing a ROM is not a big deal. If something happens to go wrong, you can always revert to the Nandroid restore. Custom ROMs often come with different Radios. Just install whichever Radio the developer recommends, and it should go smoothly.
At times a ROM may have different Radios for different functions. Like, if you want the phone running faster, use one radio. If you want more battery life, use another and so on.
If you've already rooted, flashing a new ROM wont create any more trouble than you're already in. Just dont be that hasty to do S-OFF. It's S-OFF that often leads to softbricks (usually).

droidzone said:
Flashing a ROM is not a big deal. If something happens to go wrong, you can always revert to the Nandroid restore. Custom ROMs often come with different Radios. Just install whichever Radio the developer recommends, and it should go smoothly.
At times a ROM may have different Radios for different functions. Like, if you want the phone running faster, use one radio. If you want more battery life, use another and so on.
If you've already rooted, flashing a new ROM wont create any more trouble than you're already in. Just dont be that hasty to do S-OFF. It's S-OFF that often leads to softbricks (usually).
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^^
but ussually i dont really do nandroid restore's because i keep lots of Roms for backup in case one does go wrong. Its best to do both

[Q] Rooting and flashing ROM. More questions.... need some guidance

Hi
Let me open this thread by saying that I have just bricked a DHD yesterday. So I guess I was a bit unprepared. It was nice on part of the repair centre to replace it under warranty. (I dont think they knew, because the bloody thing won't even boot, no matter what you did.)
So, to tell you what I did yesterday, I followed this tutorial to root the Desire HD: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=HTC_Desire_HD:_Rooting
I was already on 1.32.405.6, so I didn't need to downgrade.
I then gained Temp root access and then perma root access, as per tutorial
I DID NOT Flash the Engineering HBOOT (since it said its optional). Should I have dont this if I was installing a custom ROM?
Then, I followed this tutorial for Flashing Cyanongen. http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=HTC_Ace:_Recovery,_Radio_and_CyanogenMod
Again, I did not Flash the radio. Is this absolutely necessary to flash a custom ROM ?
I successfully installed CM7 and booted. Then I decided to format the microSD card. It returned with a notification as, "Blank SD card" Clicking on the notificaiton would ask me to Format the card.Nothing happens.
I posted in another forum and someone asked if I made partitions ? This got me searching again and I then proceeded to make partitions with Clockwork Recover Manager
Another thing I want answered is if I should have created partitions on the microSD card or not ? At what stage should I create the partitions ?
What is the difference between ROM Manager and Clockwork Mod
Should I install a new kernel during Flashing ROM ?
I did a search via Google, There are hundreds of thousands of posts regarding rooting, but a lot of them use Visionary+ and then flash a ROM. I read earlier that this is not desirable. I can use adb on PC, no problem.
Any comprehensive definitive tutorial for rooting DHD and installing custom ROM

geek7899 said:
Hi
I posted in another forum and someone asked if I made partitions ? This got me searching again and I then proceeded to make partitions with Clockwork Recover Manager
Another thing I want answered is if I should have created partitions on the microSD card or not ? At what stage should I create the partitions ?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1043160

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1043160
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11557769
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=857537
Those should get you started.
Do not partition SD card, it is what caused your brick. Flashing ENG hboot is your own choice, you can choose to do it later with my one click tool (link in signature). It is not necessary to flash a custom ROM and/or radio. A ROM always comes with proper kernel, so you do not need to flash it separately. ROM Manager is just an interface for ClockworkMod, nothing more.

wnderinguy45 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1043160
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Ouuchhhhh .. came a day too late ....
I was one of the ones bricked

You cannot remove it. Just post something useful to general or discuss here. Koush is working on that recovery problem, but I would advice to stay away from the partitioning feature at all times.
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk

more questions after reading Guide
WOW ,,,, thanks guys ...
Just finished reading the [GUIDE]How to flash a ROM onto your DESIRE HD [COMPLETE]. Wheew....
Now I have more questions . Thanks to anyone who answers.
Here we go
1.) I have a Vodafone branded DHD, with a boot animation splash screen and useless apps. Will I need a goldcard ?
2.) Is it OK to use Visionary+ to perma root for flashing ROM's ? I had read on some forums where they didn't approve of this method. Rather they said, use the adb command prompt. The Cyanongen guide even says that if you have Visionary+ installed, uninstall it before rooting .... /confused/
3.) To put it crudely, Radio S-ON is like a security check to see if the approved apps/software are being installed. Is that correct ?
Then what is ENG S-ON ?
4.) When you do a Permanent root (by Visionary+ or adb command prompt), doesn;t it automatically set Radio S-OFF. If it does, then why do we need to do radio S-OFF as in using the tool ?
5.) I see you are not using ROM Manager for wiping cache etc. Instead you are using Full-Wipe 1.3. Is it better than using Clockwork Recovery for doing a wipe of cache ?
6.) The Radio S-OFF and simunlock tool. Can it lock my handset, since its already officially unlocked ?
7.) Why would I flash the Radio... (last step before Flashing ROM). Is it only for getting a /possible/ battery performance or network strength ? If it is not actually required for the actual Flashing of ROM, I might leave it out. Network is pretty ****ty here anyway
Any help appreciated.
Thanks

1. Yes
2. Sure it is, the guide in Cyanogen is a bit.. Weird.
3. No. S-OFF in general is a setting that allows you to write to the internal memory (read+write rights). It also disables some version checks and so on. ENG S-OFF is a special case which enables fastboot commands. Those allow you to flash radios, splash screens and such easily via USB connection.
4. S-OFF is WAY more serious mod (like god mode) than permanent root. Visionary only gives you root, which basically gives you rights to do more stuff in Android.
5. Nah, I do not personally use that wipe.zip. It is useless in my opinion The feature in cwm does pretty much the same.
6. It does not lock your device.
7. It is not entirely necessary. But if you have crappy network, it is a very good reason to flash a radio, which will improve your signal quality. My advice, flash it.

Some more questions posted in the DHD rooting/flashing thread. If anyone feels to answer them ,,,,,, thanks
over here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13106095&postcount=128

[Q] HTC Sense UI on Tmobile G2 how?

Im new to all this. i recently got my g2 and i want sense ui.
what are the pros and cons? do irisk breaking my phone (idont got a warranty anyways). is it simple? will it effect certain functions of the phone?
if there is a simple and 100% safe way to root my phone
post a link or let me know wassup with instructions.
thanks.

juniior316 said:
Im new to all this. i recently got my g2 and i want sense ui.
what are the pros and cons? do irisk breaking my phone (idont got a warranty anyways). is it simple? will it effect certain functions of the phone?
if there is a simple and 100% safe way to root my phone
post a link or let me know wassup with instructions.
thanks.
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flash the Desire Z stock RUU?

Nothing is 100% safe. But the Wiki method of rooting is the safest there is, and the risk is low. Just read as much as you can before you start, and follow the instructions very carefully, and you will be fine.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_Vision_.28G2.2FDZ.29_and_DHD
As how to install Sense on the phone, the best way is probably to flash the Virtuous custom ROM after you root. Not only one of the more recent Sense Froyo builds (1.85), but also will keep you rooted, comes overclocked by default, and has some cool extra features and optimizations. Installing Virtuous is a snap. After you're rooted, install ROM Manager, flash clockworkmod and make a nandroid backup of your current ROM, then use ROM Manager to flash Virtuous.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=837042

Maximum Bob Lutz said:
flash the Desire Z stock RUU?
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I believe being S-On (and/or not having SuperCID) will prevent him from flashing the stock DZ RUU onto the G2. I'm sure somebody here can confirm that.

redpoint73 said:
I believe being S-On will prevent him from flashing the stock DZ RUU onto the G2. I'm sure somebody here can confirm that.
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Not only it will prevent him from Flashing Stock DZ onto G2, he might even end up bricking his phone.
I have G2, rooted, used Virtuous on it with Sense, it was fantastic, but I have never been a fan of Sense ROMs in general, so went back to CyanogenMod and enjoying Gingerbread right now.
Rooting is not rocket science but it does require you to fully understand the method, if you don't, ask questions, read forums and get yourself familiar with before trying and end up bricking your phone.
How to one by one :
First thing you need is Root Access
Try this link
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=TMobile_G2:_Rooting
Or alternatively you can try the links provided by redpoint73.
Once Rooted, first thing you want to do is install ROM Manager from market, search for ROM Manager, check this link if you can't find what you are looking for.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.koushikdutta.rommanager&feature=search_result
Once installed, open the app, give Root access to the application and Install ClockWorkMod Recovery on your phone(CMW).
Once this is installed you are almost there, between your rooted and cmw installed phone and you flash any sense rom, is to make Nandroid Backup.
Here is how to make a backup of your current/stock ROM. Boot into recovery mod, go to Advanced option, click Backup and sit back and wait for about 5 minutes, system will do a backup of your phone to the SD card. Once done, you are pretty safe, incase if you screw up something, you can go back to original and get your phone back alive.
Once you did the backup, now you can download any ROM you want, flash anything you want and enjoy. One thing you would want to know is S-On and S-Off. S-On means there is a check for the Stock ROM, if you try installing anything with is not made for your career, you will screw up your phone. Once S-Off, you can flash anything and everything available for your phone. Which means, you can install CyanogenMod, you can keep Stock, Install DZ ROM, any ROM you want.
There is a way to Check if your phone gained S-Off or not, it is explained in the link I gave you above.
That's it!!!
Happy Flashing!!!
Edit : Oh by the way, you want to check out some videos available which will help you gain Root access and do other stuff with your phone at this link
http://theunlockr.com/category/howto/android_how_tos/htc-g2-how-tos/

redpoint73 said:
I believe being S-On (and/or not having SuperCID) will prevent him from flashing the stock DZ RUU onto the G2. I'm sure somebody here can confirm that.
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He is completely right! Another way this can be done is through ROM Manager and flashing a Virtous ROM with enhancements. This ROM is no different from the stock and is completely stable and I can guarantee your safety. But I do still advise setting up a back up just in case you start to not like it. I know I did because, it is to simple but it does look good! Lol

One thing you should worry about is your CID. If your CID isn't one of the standard HTC Vision ones then it wont let you do it unless you've rooted the phone with SuperCID.

[Q] rooting a HTC Wildfire

Hey, I am attempting to root a HTC wildfire A3333. I have tried to follow the following post here but I can only get to step 2 (downgrading the HBOOT version) then it goes wrong. I open up the step1.bat (that should be step2.bat) file that was included in the downloaded file, but it opens up the CMD window goes through the process saying that each step has malformed and finishes then closes.
I have tried looking for other ways to root or for a fix, but i cant seem to find anything.
I have stock Android 2.2.1 and HBOOT 1.01.0002 installed. I have tried to use revoked to root but says the firmware is to new.
Can anybody direct me in the direction of clear easy to understand instructions on how to root the wildfire or give me any other form of help. I am new to this.
All help is appreciated.
Thanks, Wooster

When I rooted I followed another guide (not on xda). First I downgraded to android 2.1 using a RUU which also downgraded the hboot to 0.80something. Then I rooted via revolutionary. Hope it helps.
Sent from my still alive, ICS capable HTC Wildfire.

ahh well that may just be a route i have to go down then
Do you have a link to the guide that you used or know of any that tell how to do that process?
Thanks, Wooster

Since I rooted my device about a year ago, I couldn't find that guide again. But there's always a solution.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1275680
This is the thread for the wildfire RUUs. Choose an eclair one. Oldies are goodies
Then try revolutionary.
Sent from my still alive, ICS capable HTC Wildfire.

And you must also see this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1029318
Sent from my still alive, ICS capable HTC Wildfire.

Try running step1.bat as an administrator.
Also try disabling your antivirus program.

Since I rooted my device about a year ago, I couldn't find that guide again. But there's always a solution.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1275680
This is the thread for the wildfire RUUs. Choose an eclair one. Oldies are goodies
Then try revolutionary.
Sent from my still alive, ICS capable HTC Wildfire.
And you must also see this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1029318
Sent from my still alive, ICS capable HTC Wildfire.
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Thanks for getting back. I did think that you may have rooted your phone a while ago. I will look at what you have suggested and see if I can achieve anything.
Probably a silly question but I take it if I just backup my phone using MyBackup app from Play Store (Android Market) and then once I have installed the new RUU I can then just restore all my data back onto my phone using the same app?
Also what happens if I want my wildfire back to how it was when stock. For example if something goes wrong or I decide to be difficult and want it back the way it was Is there a way to restore it back to the stock OS (Froyo 2.2.1) ?
Thanks
Try running step1.bat as an administrator.
Also try disabling your antivirus program.
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I mistyped a part of my original post (now corrected) about the step1.bat file i was supposed to write that when I ran the step2.bat file it didn't work. Sorry to cause confusion, I was not thinking properly when I typed that
I did think my antivirus may cause a problem. I will try what lo2ay posted first, before I go back down the other root that I got stuck on. Thanks for your help though.
Again thanks to both off you for your help ,
Wooster

YOu will look for downgrade first.
Google for original roms earlier versions. FIles *.*exe. In debugging mode and "charge only" usb connections you will run downloaded file.
AFter this you will run unrevoked method.

Please help. Rooted phone and now stuck and scared..

Ok, hello everyone. Please bare with me as I am new here and this is my first time rooting. I usually don't do this type of stuff but I thought I would give it a try. Please have mercy.
I have a TELUS HTC Desire HD, and I decided that I would try to root it tonight. I used AAHK and the rooting went good. I am now on 2.3.3
The problem now is that I cannot go to ICS/JB OR return to stock. Everytime I tried to flash to a JellyTime ROM, hboot would flash to the downgrading gingerbread rom instead. VERY confusing. and as for returning to stock, I don't even know.. Please please help.. and before you ask, I did to a clean downgrade. Wiped the whole thing. I backed a lot up, except I forgot my contacts.. OOF.
Can someone please help me do one of these things? (Preferably down to stock)
Again please don't be rude, please have mercy. I am scared right now. Very thankful that my phone isn't bricked, but I am stuck and lost..

chrisbroncos76 said:
Ok, hello everyone. Please bare with me as I am new here and this is my first time rooting. I usually don't do this type of stuff but I thought I would give it a try. Please have mercy.
I have a TELUS HTC Desire HD, and I decided that I would try to root it tonight. I used AAHK and the rooting went good. I am now on 2.3.3
The problem now is that I cannot go to ICS/JB OR return to stock. Everytime I tried to flash to a JellyTime ROM, hboot would flash to the downgrading gingerbread rom instead. VERY confusing. and as for returning to stock, I don't even know.. Please please help.. and before you ask, I did to a clean downgrade. Wiped the whole thing. I backed a lot up, except I forgot my contacts.. OOF.
Can someone please help me do one of these things? (Preferably down to stock)
Again please don't be rude, please have mercy. I am scared right now. Very thankful that my phone isn't bricked, but I am stuck and lost..
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Are u sure that You are s-off? If You are, then delete the PD98IMG.zip file from the sdcard. If You are not s-off, then re run the hack kit as You have only downgraded. :good:

glevitan said:
Are u sure that You are s-off? If You are, then delete the PD98IMG.zip file from the sdcard. If You are not s-off, then re run the hack kit as You have only downgraded. :good:
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It was rooted, so it would be S-off right?? I think that the problem is that when I downgraded, AAHK put a ROM on my SD card of the Gingerbread, and everytime I try to load the JellyTime ROM, it loads that GB ROM instead.. At least I think that is what the problem is..
If I can still put the Jellytime on, that would be cool since I've already gone through the rooting process lol
I don't think I like Hboot.. How can I load ClockworkRecovery instead?
The process I've been doing is:
1. Put the JellyTime on my SD Card
2. Shut the phone off, battery out. then put battery back in, and hold Volume Down + Power, and it loads up Hboot. That's where I'm having problems
EDIT: I've just now found out that the phone is in GB, BUT NOT ROOTED! How the eff does that work??

chrisbroncos76 said:
It was rooted, so it would be S-off right?? I think that the problem is that when I downgraded, AAHK put a ROM on my SD card of the Gingerbread, and everytime I try to load the JellyTime ROM, it loads that GB ROM instead.. At least I think that is what the problem is..
If I can still put the Jellytime on, that would be cool since I've already gone through the rooting process lol
I don't think I like Hboot.. How can I load ClockworkRecovery instead?
The process I've been doing is:
1. Put the JellyTime on my SD Card
2. Shut the phone off, battery out. then put battery back in, and hold Volume Down + Power, and it loads up Hboot. That's where I'm having problems
EDIT: I've just now found out that the phone is in GB, BUT NOT ROOTED! How the eff does that work??
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Root and S-OFF are different. In hboot you should see at the top left corner something like ACE PVT S-OFF...
then you will be able to flash a ROM. If you are not S-OFF then you have,to re run the Hack Kit. Use the guide in my signature to find information. :thumbup:
Sent from my GT-N7000 using xda app-developers app

I see someone didn't read the manual clearly enough. For those that are sense 3.0 roms(like you) you have to run the kit twice. Once to downgrade and the second to gain root and soff

Thanks to you both! I got it working! ICS ON DESIRE HD WOOO!!!