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Think we'd get Froyo if Sprint / Samsung hired the devs from here?

Let me say this right off the bat the devs here are the best. I haven't tried any of the custom ROMs but from what I've read most people are happy with them.
So having said that I am wondering if Samsung / Sprint actually recruited the devs to help them make the best ROM available would it make the Android releases go faster?
My gut instincts tells me no. The devs here do it for the love of what they do and do it for free. I have to admire the talents and inspiration being put into the custom ROMs that we may never see in production releases due to the custom crap they put into it in hopes it all works.
Apple do have an advantage over this but still hinders innovation.
Bottom line is devs keep up the good work despite of us *****in at Sprint / Samsung about 2.2 and beyond.
Darkk

they didn't drop DK28 for no reason. they wanted the input.

Exactly. Why actually hire the devs here, when they can "leak" DK28 and get them to work for free. haha

I can tell you for a fact Sprint looks at XDA work...
Sent from my Frankenstein FROYO using XDA App...

Don't think they would knowingly higher an xda dev just because they would fear more of leaks and infrormation not being safeguarded as they do with there army of zombi devs....
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for sure
they could for sure if they got everyone from SDX!!!!!!!!!

Just had an overthought out reply about software development vs cooking.. but then read the OP and realized it didn't say google..
The devs here could probably match sprints work.. probably not Samsung..probably close but their not known as being the greatest software company in the world anyway..
Their are very different fields of expertise, and comparing these level of skillsets is like comparing apples to oranges..

dean454545 said:
they could for sure if they got everyone from SDX!!!!!!!!!
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SDX has been crickets, lately. At least the Epic section has. I liked the place, too.

DiGi760 said:
SDX has been crickets, lately. At least the Epic section has. I liked the place, too.
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must be to busy with a trying to update a junk phone to 2.2

dean454545 said:
must be to busy with a trying to update a junk phone to 2.2
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The Moment was an awesome phone "was",still has great dev support though...
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The best thing about the Moment was sdx. Pos phone that became serviceable thanx to those guys. I think their Epic forum will liven up when they get the source.
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ShabbyPenguin of ACS Posts Rooted Kernel!

http://www.forums.acsyndicate.net/showthread.php/2565-ACS-Odin-Pre-Rooted-Tar!-Root-your-Epic-Touch-here!
Epic Touch Root at the link above!

Am I being incredibly stupid, or is the link to the kernel not anywhere in his post?

Lol no
Its probably still uploading
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yea, everyones waiting for it like crazy. Just check out the guest list XD.

gtuansdiamm said:
Lol no
Its probably still uploading
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Ah... I was beginning to doubt even my ability to find and click on a blue, underlined word. It's been a long day.

Yeah I found it 3 minutes after he posted about it. I don't even have my phone yet (will get it Monday). I'm just trying to help my favorite DEV community by flowing out some information!

He's still working on it
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Not trying to sound ungrateful
I thought links to external sites for software\roms was against the rules, e.g. keep everything in one place. (However I can be completely wrong)
Im getting my touch on Monday and am super excited to see root, but having come from an Epic 4G (horrible community) plagued with people selling roms, closed threads and trolling..
I just dont want to see that happen here with this phone.
Perhaps the name *epic* is jinxed.
If I could request one thing, that would be to post a direct link here in the OP.

brian_hoffman said:
I thought links to external sites for software\roms was against the rules, e.g. keep everything in one place. (However I can be completely wrong)
Im getting my touch on Monday and am super excited to see root, but having come from an Epic 4G (horrible community) plagued with people selling roms, closed threads and trolling..
I just dont want to see that happen here with this phone.
Perhaps the name *epic* is jinxed.
If I could request one thing, that would be to post a direct link here in the OP.
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Not trying to break rules. I'm just trying to help. I'm sure it will be put here as well shortly after it finishes. I also couldn't tell you how many Android Central posts I've found linked on these forums.

brian_hoffman said:
I thought links to external sites for software\roms was against the rules, e.g. keep everything in one place. (However I can be completely wrong)
Im getting my touch on Monday and am super excited to see root, but having come from an Epic 4G (horrible community) plagued with people selling roms, closed threads and trolling..
I just dont want to see that happen here with this phone.
Perhaps the name *epic* is jinxed.
If I could request one thing, that would be to post a direct link here in the OP.
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It is against the rules to link to a site where you are required to register to download. You don't for the ACS site, so it doesn't break any rules.

Shabby is the man!
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pyrostic said:
Not trying to break rules. I'm just trying to help. I'm sure it will be put here as well shortly after it finishes. I also couldn't tell you how many Android Central posts I've found linked on these forums.
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I think you are good since you don't need to sign up and buy anything
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^this, we do it because we have adsense up. i know its kinda sleazy but acs gives its devs phones to work with, like for instance my new photon came from adsense revenue from my work on teh prevail/replenish. so is it an underhand technique to make some money off of work? yea... like its stated we dont require registration.

shabbypenguin said:
^this, we do it because we have adsense up. i know its kinda sleazy but acs gives its devs phones to work with, like for instance my new photon came from adsense revenue from my work on teh prevail/replenish. so is it an underhand technique to make some money off of work? yea... like its stated we dont require registration.
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Yeah, and it definitely makes me want to step my game up when it comes to development
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shabbypenguin said:
^this, we do it because we have adsense up. i know its kinda sleazy but acs gives its devs phones to work with, like for instance my new photon came from adsense revenue from my work on teh prevail/replenish. so is it an underhand technique to make some money off of work? yea... like its stated we dont require registration.
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Shabby,
I will put my money where my mouth is, I really appreciate it. Im going to look for a donate link on your site. (couldn't find one, so I will click on some ads)
Like I said earlier, wasn't sure if it broke rules or not. I just appreciate all your devs work and do not want this to become another epic 4g.

dont go donating yet its a bad habit to start. if you wanna donate, t hen donate if your satisfied with teh final product

Do people usually create threads proclaiming they've achieved root BEFORE they've actually achieved a distributable root? Been refreshing the "GOT ROOT!" thread all day, and now following Shabby's quest in IRC. Kind of funny. Not trying to knock anyone, but damn they keep getting my hopes up!

Seriously...this does nothing for anyone yet because there are no drivers at all.
*Goes to little black book to contact Samsung source*

enormous said:
Do people usually create threads proclaiming they've achieved root BEFORE they've actually achieved a distributable root? Been refreshing the "GOT ROOT!" thread all day, and now following Shabby's quest in IRC. Kind of funny. Not trying to knock anyone, but damn they keep getting my hopes up!
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hey now, i didnt make the thread

shabbypenguin said:
hey now, i didnt make the thread
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No, not this one!

Posting what Koush said from G+

For the people that are not on G+ or follow a few of the cyanogenmod team members that are on it I wanted to repost what Koush said about an hour ago. I know people are waiting for CM7 on the E4GT but at the same time pestering the dev's is not going to get us anywhere and in turn could get them upset.
Epic 4G Touch Users: The devices were donated to us by RootzWiki, with absolutely no strings or expectations attached. Please stop asking for ETAs, it's extremely irritating and pretty disheartening.
Regardless, for those asking about Epic 4G Touch, here's what has been done with it so far:
The first official template/guide for building Samsung recoveries, specifically tested on Epic 4G Touch:
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/8296-gui...rkmod-recovery-into-samsunginitramfs-devices/
It also helped add external/internal sd card support in CWR and RM:
https://twitter.com/clockworkmod/status/130005657024856064
https://github.com/CyanogenMod/andr...mmit/89ed0b7355e93c145bb40483db5f79766a00e7df
You may not appreciate it, since it doesn't get you CM7 immediately. But this is the kind of work that streamlines the process for future Samsung devices getting properly supported and mainlined.
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Just a reminder guys give them time and chill. It takes time to get something great for these phones.
-cid

Thanks for the update! just knowing that they are working on it has my mouth watering!

I agree with the op. Bothering developers about it will not get it done any faster. It might them quit working on it. So everyone please just enjoy your phone now and good things are coming to us.
Sent From My Evo Killer!!!

musclehead84 said:
I agree with the op. Bothering developers about it will not get it done any faster. It might them quit working on it. So everyone please just enjoy your phone now and good things are coming to us.
Sent From My Evo Killer!!!
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True, but it's still nice to hear about their progress every now and then. We hadn't heard about anything other then rootzwiki giving koush an e4gt. Can't wait to have some aosp goodness
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paranoid android85 said:
True, but it's still nice to hear about their progress every now and then. We hadn't heard about anything other then rootzwiki giving koush an e4gt. Can't wait to have some aosp goodness
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The fact that Samsung can't even get off their ass to fix such a serious problem like LOS much less update their phones definitely makes people antsy about getting AOSP (which also helps bring other development)

Thanks for the update! I really need to follow them on Google+

Koush is the man! Noobs....let him be.

For what its worth I don't think the hangup is Samsung and lies more in the hands of Sprint who apparently have had a Samsung update submission and haven't done anything with it...for various reasons given I don't understand.
In addition to Samsung stepping up their game since the Samsung S's releases (namely beginning with SGS2 they also tried to counter their poor update record.
During the time I had the SGS2 from April through July we had THREE Samsung updates...coming fairly quickly after known issues.
The carrier here is the roadblock.
Lesson? Get the Nexus Prime.
mattykinsx said:
The fact that Samsung can't even get off their ass to fix such a serious problem like LOS much less update their phones definitely makes people antsy about getting AOSP (whichwho also helps bring other development)
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rockky said:
For what its worth I don't think the hangup is Samsung and lies more in the hands of Sprint who apparently have had a Samsung update submission and haven't done anything with it...for various reasons given I don't understand.
In addition to Samsung stepping up their game since the Samsung S's releases (namely beginning with SGS2 they also tried to counter their poor update record.
During the time I had the SGS2 from April through July we had THREE Samsung updates...coming fairly quickly after known issues.
The carrier here is the roadblock.
Lesson? Get the Nexus Prime.
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The problem with the idea that Sprint is holding up the updates is three fold:
1) Why would Sprint hold up the LOS fix? They're losing money on constant credits and device exchanges.
2) Samsung has a history, no matter what carrier, of not being anywhere near prompt with updates.
3) Also, why would Sprint hold up updates for only Samsung devices? Other device makers don't seem to have issues.
I think the fact is, Samsung sees the international market as more important than the U.S., and is even less concerned with the CDMA market.

I am so exited! Got my phone and stock drove me CRAZY within a few hours. The folks at CM seriously spoil us. We are so lucky to have them. I don't know why the small group of geniuses at CM can develop a ROM that is AWESOME and the stock ROMs suck so bad. I mean, she wouldn't anyone want to know what their battery percentage is, or have options for their dock and lock screen style, or not throw their battery and performance in the dumpster!
Not only does CM put out awesome ROMs in a timely manner, they do it across like twenty devices and eight manufacturers for free! ! ! Friggin miraculous. Anyway, thank you! Let's not be impatient because the miracle takes a couple weeks longer than convenient.
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Replying for in this thread for a bump. Please stop pestering the devs. CM7 will be ready for our devices when it's ready.

chunology said:
Please stop pestering the devs. CM7 will be ready for our devices when it's ready.
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Really?
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Why do people bug the crap outta the poor devs. Best thing to do is don't get the device right when it comes out if you can't wait. KOUSH and the other devs have life's. He will bring it in time believe it.
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How do I follow Koush on G+?
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gqstatus0685 said:
How do I follow Koush on G+?
Sent from SGSII.
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http://tinyurl.com/6l2gqny
and
http://tinyurl.com/6xkhxaa

Post of the week
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graffixnyc said:
http://tinyurl.com/6l2gqny
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http://tinyurl.com/6xkhxaa
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Hey Nifnard,
How would I know his actual handle?
I know how to search in G+ and when I searched for Koush a log of profiles came up. I bet you were giggling like a little school girl when you were posting.
People on this website are full of themselves. I miss the old XDA.
Sent from SGSII.

gqstatus0685 said:
Hey Nifnard,
How would I know his actual handle?
I know how to search in G+ and when I searched for Koush a log of profiles came up. I bet you were giggling like a little school girl when you were posting.
People on this website are full of themselves. I miss the old XDA.
Sent from SGSII.
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Dude, it was in light fun.. you really need to lighten up a little bit there. and if you click the second link it googles his name and "google plus" which the first link that comes up, is his profile.. http://tinyurl.com/6xkhxaa

graffixnyc said:
http://tinyurl.com/6l2gqny
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holy **** that was hilarious. i never did get how people using android phones dont get how easy it is to google something. its a verb for god sake, just do it lol

MaliceOmega said:
holy **** that was hilarious. i never did get how people using android phones dont get how easy it is to google something. its a verb for god sake, just do it lol
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Google is a verb. So true. All my friends and family members probably think I'm an asshole because I google everything on my "google phone" to prove everyone is wrong. Sadly I prove myself wrong too at rare occasions.

Split dev section into builds

Who thinks we should split the dev section into build numbers? So you would have EG30, EK02 and EL13 and once you enter one of those you would have the normal items just for that build number. I think this would make it much easier to use but it would require help from mods. What do you all think?

I agree its nice to have segregation, but usually the older versions have a tendency to age out due to constant updates, so its a self fulfilling action sometimes.
Edit: Off topic, but your ACS badge on the bottom left of your sig reminds me of Marine infantry unit insignia's mark of the beast, So kudo's if that was the intent

xlGmanlx said:
I agree its nice to have segregation, but usually the older versions have a tendency to age out due to constant updates, so its a self fulfilling action sometimes.
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This. Organically, builds should always end up being made on the latest builds (unless severe problems are found in a new build).
EDIT: Plus, our device is in it's infancy of manufacturer-software-development. Things are going to seem fragmented until the number of builds level off. Then, you'd be stuck with archaic sub-forums lol.
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I don't know if mods are the answer either since they can't seem to agree what's development or not

xlGmanlx said:
I don't know if mods are the answer either since they can't seem to agree what's development or not
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Sneak diss!
I like.
Sent from the future.

I like
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I wouldn't mind seeing separate forums for Touchwiz and AOSP, once the AOSP roms start coming in.

Works for me.
Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G Touch.

crawrj said:
Who thinks we should split the dev section into build numbers? So you would have EG30, EK02 and EL13 and once you enter one of those you would have the normal items just for that build number. I think this would make it much easier to use but it would require help from mods. What do you all think?
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Yes! Awesome idea, I hope it gets accepted.

Please and thank you.
=)

I don't think it's necessary. If devs would put exactly what it is in the header without unnecessary embellishments that would suffice. I look at the International SGS2 forums and they have numerous builds and Roms and seem to do just fine.
One sticky containing all the radios (modems), one sticky containing all the kernels and all that's pretty much left are Roms. If devs are mandated to put the version number in their thread title as well as their descriptions, subforums really aren't necessary.
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If it was up to me and I was XDA's forum webcoder. There would be off-topic, Theme's, Apps as individual sub-forums in every Phone Community.
Secondly. Under Development I would give the Mod's Power to Create Sub category's for each "build leak/release." and have MIUI,CM and AOSP in one category.
Keep in mind you would be able to post in Development section still like now. Just there would be child forums for it. (kinda hard to explain.)
Lastly. Just like how we have "Announcement" that's displayed in every freakin sections we browse. Each community would have a chat box that is displayed on right column (like facebook) to act as a IRC chat.

I'm not for this
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I remember the OG Epic battle for child forums... wasnt it QnA that we argued for forever...? I guess they figure of they put in more work on one forum, word will get out and they will have to do it for every device. Its too bad we cant have mods that are dedicated (i.e. they own and mainly use) to each device... but I understand its all volunteer etc...
I just hope that the build leaks dont turn into the OG Epic... new leak every 5 minutes so the devs end up waiting for some 'final' version... I say if theres no significant change skip it... and keep supporting what works till something truly different comes along.
EDIT: Also... love the embedded irc... seems a lot of the devs hang out in irc and nothing gets posted in the threads. It was really cool on the OG Epic when we could read and participate in the conversations, but not have to be in a chatroom... im blue collar... cant be on the interwebs all day. I know it works for the devs though... so oh well I guess...

ungovernable1977 said:
I remember the OG Epic battle for child forums... wasnt it QnA that we argued for forever...? I guess they figure of they put in more work on one forum, word will get out and they will have to do it for every device. Its too bad we cant have mods that are dedicated (i.e. they own and mainly use) to each device... but I understand its all volunteer etc...
I just hope that the build leaks dont turn into the OG Epic... new leak every 5 minutes so the devs end up waiting for some 'final' version... I say if theres no significant change skip it... and keep supporting what works till something truly different comes along.
EDIT: Also... love the embedded irc... seems a lot of the devs hang out in irc and nothing gets posted in the threads. It was really cool on the OG Epic when we could read and participate in the conversations, but not have to be in a chatroom... im blue collar... cant be on the interwebs all day. I know it works for the devs though... so oh well I guess...
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Yeah its pretty hard to just conversiate these days on et4g threads.
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goodbye

just saying bye picked up a galaxy nexus today great dev support but ill be over there now ..anyways i have the epic 4g touch if anybody really needs it donating of course
bye guys

i could really use another one, mine broke.

Consider donating it to the CM team if anything. Or maybe they could buy it off of you for a reduced price. Anyways, hope the GNex treats you right lol
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T.C.P. Needs one as well.
P.s. I hope you enjoy you're Nexus, they're good phones
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T.C.P. Needs one as well.
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Send it to the e4gt cyanogenmod team. They will put it to good use and I bet they will at least pay for the shipping of the device. Contact wtogami if you decide to send it to the cm guys.
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alright u guys cool cm team it might be

I would feel it would be in better hands if it went to Times_Infinity or T.C.P instead of the cm team. I wont name names, but I know who that phone would go to and I personally dont see the need for a github cherry picker to get a second phone. Just my honest opinion.

HaiKaiDo said:
I would feel it would be in better hands if it went to Times_Infinity or T.C.P instead of the cm team. I wont name names, but I know who that phone would go to and I personally dont see the need for a github cherry picker to get a second phone. Just my honest opinion.
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There is a lot more that goes into developing cyanogenmod for a phone then just merging changes from the github upstream. There is a large amount of testing that needs to be done along with fixing driver issues and implementing fixes for other issues that are specific for our phone.

brooksyx said:
There is a lot more that goes into developing cyanogenmod for a phone then just merging changes from the github upstream. There is a large amount of testing that needs to be done along with fixing driver issues and implementing fixes for other issues that are specific for our phone.
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oh no im not bashing the cm team in any way. Im talking about an individual.

HaiKaiDo said:
I would feel it would be in better hands if it went to Times_Infinity or T.C.P instead of the cm team. I wont name names, but I know who that phone would go to and I personally dont see the need for a github cherry picker to get a second phone. Just my honest opinion.
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There is a lot more that goes into developing cyanogenmod for a phone then just merging changes from the github upstream. There is a large amount of testing that needs to be done along with fixing driver issues and implementing fixes for other issues that are specific for our phone.
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Honestly, I both see where you guys are coming from. @brooksyx, your reasoning is because you know nothing of my development background, and I understand that. You know what CM's development background is more like, as does everyone else, which I understand as well. But for the past month I've been working close with sbrissen on this phone, which I don't even own, can't afford to buy one full retail, or even at a 2yr contract price, because I don't have Sprint as my service provider. I would love to be able to help sbrissen and T.C.P and everyone involved with getting AOKP working on this phone, especially since I have a working, booting source built AOKP with the only bugs being what is wrong with sbrissen's kernel at the moment. The decision to donate the phone to whomever he wants to, is mainly up to the owner. It's really tough developing for a device that I have zero access to and having to rely on people to test things and tell me what's broken doesn't help much either. I would be so thankful and very appreciative if he chooses to donate the phone to me, but if he chooses otherwise to go with his original choice of CM, then no hard feelings and his choice is his choice.

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Honestly, I both see where you guys are coming from. @brooksyx, your reasoning is because you know nothing of my development background, and I understand that. You know what CM's development background is more like, as does everyone else, which I understand as well. But for the past month I've been working close with sbrissen on this phone, which I don't even own, can't afford to buy one full retail, or even at a 2yr contract price, because I don't have Sprint as my service provider. I would love to be able to help sbrissen and T.C.P and everyone involved with getting AOKP working on this phone, especially since I have a working, booting source built AOKP with the only bugs being what is wrong with sbrissen's kernel at the moment. The decision to donate the phone to whomever he wants to, is mainly up to the owner. It's really tough developing for a device that I have zero access to and having to rely on people to test things and tell me what's broken doesn't help much either. I would be so thankful and very appreciative if he chooses to donate the phone to me, but if he chooses otherwise to go with his original choice of CM, then no hard feelings and his choice is his choice.
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Hey the way I look at is that no matter who gets the phone its going to help the e4gt scene for the better. Just grateful the OP wants to give back to the scene. So no hard feelings either way!

I just upgraded to the galaxy nexus as well. I must say though, I do miss some things about the epic touch. It has better dev support at the moment. The verizon and gsm roms are not compatible with the sprint variant so at the moment, development is much slower than the other variants. I do think It will eventially pick up, especaily when jellbean comes out, but as of right now. the epic touch has more deving going on for it. Also the battery on the gnex is HORRID out of the box. Even when you install custom roms and kernels, (I recomend cyanogenmod 9 with the kernel it comes with) battery life can't touch the epic.
To the contrary, I do love all the official nightlies and roms from the big name roms, ie: aokp, cm9, and others. The 720p screen is fabulous also! The design is also very nice. The camera is nice as well due to the zero shutter lag. What will make this phone kickass is 4g lte! This phone is gonna be AWSOME when network vision hits! I am over all pleased with the phone, however I wish deving was picking up a little bit....or someone could make a flashable zip making the verizon roms compatable with ours

I'll give the op $50 to donate to times_infinity. Up front. Pm me.
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aleph23 said:
I'll give the op $50 to donate to times_infinity. Up front. Pm me.
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Thats awesome. I vote for times_Infinity also. I can attest to his work on the E4GT, I was the one that test his build of aokp that was straight from source and not a kang. And as he said, the only bugs were from the kernel which he had no control over (Radio would sometimes sleep and not wake,Screen would randomly turn on and then go back to sleep and 4g was wonky that was it). Times_Infinity from Team SbrissenMod FTW :]

bambam126 said:
just saying bye picked up a galaxy nexus today great dev support but ill be over there now ..anyways i have the epic 4g touch if anybody really needs it donating of course
bye guys
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Wow man, that's really respectable of you. Mad props.

so can someone point me in the right direction who to contact

bambam126 said:
so can someone point me in the right direction who to contact
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Just send a PM to whomever it is you want to donate the phone too.

bambam126 said:
so can someone point me in the right direction who to contact
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I vote for times also

bambam126 said:
so can someone point me in the right direction who to contact
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/me points at times_infinity
Times_Infinity
1234 Send Him The Phone Lane
Phonesville, Lol
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