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Its been awhile since I have seen anything new I can only assume that they are working on other devices. I would love to see a new ROM for any of these.
p.s. No offense to the other Dev's as I do appreciate everyone's hard work.
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Its been awhile since I have seen anything new I can only assume that they are working on other devices. I would love to see a new ROM for any of these.
p.s. No offense to the other Dev's as I do appreciate everyone's hard work.
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I'm assuming you're taking over for them since you posted this in the Dev section? Please post up some of your work so far and the GPL information. Good luck!
If it starts with [Q], probably goes in Q&A, or ask in their respective threads.
Or you guys could just answer the poor blokes question instead of doing the mods job. Plus this question is asking about the DEVELOPMENT of ROMS. Sounds like the right section to me don't ya think?
Im really not sure why it has been a while since they have had anything new come out, something I have noticed is that unless there is something really worth while they wont update their roms, why fix something that isn't broken?
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Or you guys could just answer the poor blokes question instead of doing the mods job. Plus this question is asking about the DEVELOPMENT of ROMS. Sounds like the right section to me don't ya think?
Im really not sure why it has been a while since they have had anything new come out, something I have noticed is that unless there is something really worth while they wont update their roms, why fix something that isn't broken?
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No its not it belongs in the Q&A or general section
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Or you guys could just answer the poor blokes question instead of doing the mods job. Plus this question is asking about the DEVELOPMENT of ROMS. Sounds like the right section to me don't ya think?
Im really not sure why it has been a while since they have had anything new come out, something I have noticed is that unless there is something really worth while they wont update their roms, why fix something that isn't broken?
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I agree that people need to be a bit more user friendly around here, no need to get snarky. BUT this is a DEV only section and this type of question (even if it is about DEV work really doesn't belong here).
There is nothing wrong with ONE person trying to help the person but instructing them that this is not the right place for their post. That is not playing the role of a MOD, that is part of being in a community. If this type of thing wasn't a problem the MODS would not have made the 10 post requirement before you can even post here.
Honestly there hasn't been any new developments. In my mind as it stands EVO's are done. Unless Sprint/HTC release something new there is nothing left to develop. The ROMS are zipaligned, PNG Optimized, Battery scripted, etc. I have some work I could do one the graphics but ROM wise I don't see anything earth shattering on the horizon.
Damage Control i believe is dead for now (i haven't seen anything on another phone)
Fresh i believe flipz has just been busy and really his rom is working and works well and there havent been any major ground breaking updates that need to be addressed. since fresh is a non themed rom it is a little harder to constantly provide updates when there isnt much to change in the build itself.
Evio - see fresh for most of it.
A lot of the sense based roms that are updated constantly are themed roms which gives them a lot more to play with. they can tweak the look etc even when there arent any major new developmental releases. I am in no way saying this is all that is done and there is nothing wrong with it being done just explaining my belief on why some roms are updated much more often then others. With the Evo fast approaching the one year mark you will probably see much fewer major updates coming and much fewer major developments.
This is my personal opinion and is not fact. I base my opinions off what i have seen on the devs twitter streams and own sites. hopefully it provides more answers.
When all things sense die, you can always switch to aosp lol. Its updated with the latest and greatest. I prefer sense my self but as zone said; most sense roms are maxed out, there's nothing left to do to them.
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As soon as the System Dump/ROM leaks out for the Evo 3D, they will have something new to play with.
I never understood why people keep asking for updates to stable ROMs that are based on Sprint OTA releases, like Fresh and Myn's Twopointwo. I read both of those threads, and every couple pages, you get people asking about new versions or updates to complete, working, stable ROMs. What do people expect?
If you want new features like Sense 2.0 or Gingerbread, don't flash a ROM that is based on OTA updates.
i agree, i think the sense roms are at a standstill until an official 2.3/sense 2.0 build comes down the pipe from HTC/Sprint. (assuming the Evo gets sense 2.0/android 2.3)
i love calk's work, EViO is a great rom. i only switched because i fell in love with CM7
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Or you guys could just answer the poor blokes question instead of doing the mods job. Plus this question is asking about the DEVELOPMENT of ROMS. Sounds like the right section to me don't ya think?
Im really not sure why it has been a while since they have had anything new come out, something I have noticed is that unless there is something really worth while they wont update their roms, why fix something that isn't broken?
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Its looking more and more likely that we arent going to get 2.3 on our Evo's..
I also assumed thats why we havent seen any updates.. There isnt an official 2.3 Sense Evo rom to tear apart..
hopefully there enjoying life and not by a computer every night thinking about updates. But this goes to a deeper question that i think is starting to spark up is everybody tired of there evo's already ? U can flash so many roms until u flash out but at the end of the day a evo is still a evo
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No its not it belongs in the Q&A or general section
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I Don't know... so far a lot of the [ROMS] that I've seen are just re-skinned versions of everything else out there, shouldn't most of those go in the Themes and Apps section as well, if we are going to try and get technical ?
I wouldn't technically call half of these ROMS true "Development" but merely Themes, which there is another section for as well. But if you want to get technical:
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This does not actually lay any guidelines as to what is allowed (actually, this was a rather lazy post in regards to setting guidelines (hey, I can't watch people, I'm a Mod, report them if the entire community comes to a consensus as to what should not be here, we will leave it up to the teeming masses, I mean, it worked well enough for Russia after the bolshevik revolution right? Aren't teeming masses of people able to find out what is in the best interest of everyone else that is not them?), what constitutes strictly development, and what constitutes Q&A if it pertains to Development.
It was a valid question about development. People may or may not upgrade their phones and ditch Evo's based on a developer of ROMS as well.
Don't forget Vaelpak
If like myself, one were to prefer some of the Sense elements over the AOSP versions, but also like the obvious increase in performance that comes from the AOSP's lighter weight, don't forget the latest Vaelpak.
Sense ROM-based, but with most of Sense removed. I get my preferred Sense Dialer, VVM, etc, and thanks to Fancy Widget I get a Sense-like clock with more and better functionality. 4G, HDMI, everything works.
There is no perfect ROM, of course it all comes down to preference and opinion anyway. But if anyone is looking for something unique and extremely functional, this is a very interesting option. I flashed his 3.2 about a week ago just to check it out and have not had a reason to leave it...except to flash to the GB ROMs of course!
As was said above, until official gingerbread is out (which we heard was a yes).....don't worry, there will be continued stuff as most of us got screwed with sprint changing the premium upgrades. 2.2 is maxxed out.
Cooler than your EVO
ljohnson1981 said:
Its been awhile since I have seen anything new I can only assume that they are working on other devices. I would love to see a new ROM for any of these.
p.s. No offense to the other Dev's as I do appreciate everyone's hard work.
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LIFE gets in the way sometimes man Calk just had a new baby girl so that is WAY more important than spending all day and night on roms for people to just complain, Damageless was disrespected more than anybody i have ever seen on here sheesh if i was him i would never come back and give time, and Fresh's wife was having some health issues i believe so he had to take care of her.
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Its looking more and more likely that we arent going to get 2.3 on our Evo's..
I also assumed thats why we havent seen any updates.. There isnt an official 2.3 Sense Evo rom to tear apart..
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The EVO is getting 2.3 w/Sense, but not until it comes out on a new flagship phone (E3D). I wouldn't expect it until July or August.
Hi, to this and i'm looking to install a new rom on my Epic 4G but like every person, I am afraid to damage my new equipment.
I'm looking for some stable Roms to flash my Epic but don't know where to look for them with a good description of what does work- what doesn't-what will improve with it... Thing's like that. If anyone can help me, i'll apreciate. =)
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Hi, to this and i'm looking to install a new rom on my Epic 4G but like every person, I am afraid to damage my new equipment.
I'm looking for some stable Roms to flash my Epic but don't know where to look for them with a good description of what does work- what doesn't-what will improve with it... Thing's like that. If anyone can help me, i'll apreciate. =)
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This took like 0.1 sec on google:
http://alchemistar.blogspot.com/2010/11/samsung-epic-4g-custom-rom-list-1110.html
A list is not maintained on XDA.
Go here! Click on your model below
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:Samsung_Epic_4G.png
3ndless said:
Hi, to this and i'm looking to install a new rom on my Epic 4G but like every person, I am afraid to damage my new equipment.
I'm looking for some stable Roms to flash my Epic but don't know where to look for them with a good description of what does work- what doesn't-what will improve with it... Thing's like that. If anyone can help me, i'll apreciate. =)
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Just look up "Samsung Epic 4G Rom XDA" on google and you'll find a whole selection of roms. Then just read their descriptions and some comments to find out what they're all about. I'm a little disappointed that this was you first contribution to the XDA forums...
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Just look up "Samsung Epic 4G Rom XDA" on google and you'll find a whole selection of roms. Then just read their descriptions and some comments to find out what they're all about. I'm a little disappointed that this was you first contribution to the XDA forums...
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Wow, don't need to be so "Humble" you guys, thanks anyways...
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3ndless said:
Wow, don't need to be so "Humble" you guys, thanks anyways...
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Oh relax, it's all in good fun. We answered you .
But you'll have a lot of questions, we all do, and you'll get your answers faster 9 times out of 10 by checking if someone already asked them first.
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Oh relax, it's all in good fun. We answered you .
But you'll have a lot of questions, we all do, and you'll get your answers faster 9 times out of 10 by checking if someone already asked them first.
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Ok, really sorry for the bother I could cause its just that i've been looking in Google about this and its very confusing. ALWAYS appears something new about this theme & I want to already finish with it to fully enjoy my equipment.
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Theme? What do you mean?
-Sent from my custom INC Epic.
Hey I was new to it myself and as long as you can put your phone in dowload mode you have really nothing to worry about just make sure your cable is good and you have the stock rom and your good
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Wow, don't need to be so "Humble" you guys, thanks anyways...
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Random's post was actually very humble, some people get crucified for not searching lol
We do need a clearer documentation of ROMs
Personally, I think OP's request is completely valid. There are a multitude of ROMS. The roms really don't have any specific vision statement such as "My goal is to be the most stable rom" "my goal is to be the most bleeding edge ROM" "my goal is to be the quickest ROM" or "my goal is to be the fastest ROM, even if stability suffers". Instead each rom seems to be a person who then does some personal tweaks and incorporates the generally available tweaks others have posted.
There's also not a clear change from version to version other than, (hopefully), the release notes which may list "teaked X", "changed Y" which doesn't help me understand if the next build is more stable, smaller, faster, or what.
Also, it's hard to tell the riger put into the software development process. While some ROMs are team built and significantly tested, it's hard to tell which. I assume ACS and Bonsai both have many people testing for many weeks prior to releasing a ROM, but I don't know that. And for the smaller ones, I have no clue.
Ultimately, it would help for someone who has enough experience with each ROM to document the differences. Alternately, a template for ROM developers to fill in each version might help. Something like.
GOAL OF ROM: (if multiple goals, list in order of importance to the developer)
DEVELOPER/DEVELOPERS: (by name, handle, or # of developers)
MAJOR BUILDS INDICATE A CHANGE IN... (time, tweaks, base build, etc)
CODE MANAGEMENT PROCESS: (formal repository, versioning in development package, 1 set of source files edited in VI with no backups or versions)
TEST PROCESS: (length of test, number of test subjects, any stress tests/unique situations/or boundary scenarios included in testing)
SUPPORT OPTIONS: (post on board, email development team, IRC, fire and forget, normal response time, etc)
You need to do what I and most of us did....read the threads following the ROM releases. Every phone is different but if 10 people on the ROM thread report Bluetooth issues and BT is important to you, don't use it. There are no info shortcuts here. Read the ROM threads.
Do you BONSAI?
Unfortunately, it's completely impractical to read through hundreds of posts per ROM to understand the pre-existing bugs with each ROM. Additionally, those bugs are tied to a build. The build they are associated with is usually not apperent from the posts.
The only way to keep up is to skim each rom regularly so you can maintain the current state of each ROM. it doesn't allow people to come in from a cold start and understand what's going on. That would be a good thing to add to the manifest listed above though:
KNOWN OUTSTANDING ISSUES:
REPORTED BUGS:
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Unfortunately, it's completely impractical to read through hundreds of posts per ROM to understand the pre-existing bugs with each ROM. Additionally, those bugs are tied to a build. The build they are associated with is usually not apperent from the posts.
The only way to keep up is to skim each rom regularly so you can maintain the current state of each ROM. it doesn't allow people to come in from a cold start and understand what's going on. That would be a good thing to add to the manifest listed above though:
KNOWN OUTSTANDING ISSUES:
REPORTED BUGS:
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Most of the big developers make an effort to list the large and recurring issues in the first page of the thread. Most other bugs tend to be one-offs caused by a bad flash or failure to wipe data prior. I understand where you're coming from, as I felt the same way when I first jumped in. Mind you, I got the phone in November of 2010, began actively following various threads within a few weeks, gained a vast amount of knowledge on the matter, didn't first root until the EB13 update in February, and didn't even sign up to the forum until March, after which I began helping others with problems I had found answers to months before even making my first post.
I don't preach hypocrisy. I generally criticize an oft-repeated question while also answering it or linking it to one of many long-existent answers. I preach learning by reading. If I tell you how to fix something today, you'll come back with a problem tomorrow because you didn't earn the knowledge for yourself, and you didn't understand what you did. The age-old parable:
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime!"
I strongly suggest everyone read as much as they can to understand as best they can! Take your epic to the toilet and read in your spare time!
While your idea is a noble one, it's a much larger undertaking than you're giving it credit for. Developers would have to collaborate to give a list of specifications, known bugs, etc. to one thread. Someone would have to oversee this thread, take in additional posts to this thread, and append them to the front page continuously. The end result would be roughly what each individual thread already attempts to achieve, with a much larger scale of chaos and a huge problem with out-of-date details.
The list Kenny linked contains a list of known Epic roms and their latest update. You could make this an XDA thread, but I can't say that trying to include every detail and bug beyond that of every rom is a good idea.
That said, look around. Find a Rom. Read about its details. If it sounds good to you, give it a test run! Use what works for you, don't obsess about which one is the "best".
-Written by a man with nothing to do during his lunch break.
No one should be "jumping in cold" and rooting and throwing on ROMs. I got my phone in September, read through posts on ROMs that had features I liked, then 6 weeks later rooted and tried a few ROMs. There are videos now in the General stickies to help cut down on the reading but as stated every phone is different right out of the box. One ROM may cause a messaging issue with a small group whereas another Bluetooth issues. Most developers list known bugs being worked on in the OP.
Do you BONSAI?
try this on youtube
qbking77 on youtube. put in search box 'How to Root Samsung Epic and flash SyndicateFrozenRom 1.1.0/1'. cannot post a link at this time, I'm too new
Actually, I read XDA every day (work's been slow recently). I've rooted my phone and installed more roms than I can count. (Also rooted my wife's and her viewsonic gtab.)
I agree that the major rom builders do a much better job of managing and documenting their development process than most 1-man outfits. However, I still can bearly tell the difference from 1 ROM to the next or 1 build of a ROM to the next. (As far as I can tell, what we have are pretty much the same ROM a dozen different times with slightly different bugs.) A standard for ROM developers to fill in would hopefully help them in focusing their ROM as much as it helps people in understanding the goals of their rom.
As for the effort involved in keeping it up-to-date, most of the worthwhile developers update their main post or start a new one at each major build. Adding some structure to that update wouldn't be a significant increase in hastle.
on a completely separate note, I understand where you are coming from with the "teach them to search" montra. (I helped moderate a very large everquest form for years.)
Since then though, I've realized that, while it's very popular on message boards, it's not very useful. You have to either have a very good understanding of where on a message board to look for the information you are interested in or you need to be a very skilled searcher. Otherwise you end up spending a significant amount of time pouring through poorly summarized search results which don't address your question without knowing if there IS an answer somwhere. While the (here are similar threads) function of vBulletin is reasonably useful, the xda search powered by google is impossible.
Wiki's form a MUCH better way of collecting answers to message boards than bulletin boards do. Unfortunately, you need your WIKI and your forum tightly integrated, (which means a CMS rather than vBulletin + mediawiki). Also, you need forum posters who, after answering a question on the forum, turn right around and post the answer into a wiki page to ensure it was there for the next person
(Actually, it'd be really cool if every Q&A forum on XDA, instead of pointing to a normal forum, pointed to a wiki answers type software install (http://wiki.answers.com/) tailored for XDA. That would hopefully significantly cut down on re-asking of questions. )
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Hi, to this and i'm looking to install a new rom on my Epic 4G but like every person, I am afraid to damage my new equipment.
I'm looking for some stable Roms to flash my Epic but don't know where to look for them with a good description of what does work- what doesn't-what will improve with it... Thing's like that. If anyone can help me, i'll apreciate. =)
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You can look in the development area, the threads are there for the ROMs. Typically the first few posts of a ROM thread will be the information about it. Then read a few of the pages (near the beginning and the last few) to get a feel for what users are experiencing during their use of the ROM.
That should give you the information you're looking for.
Good luck
I would suggest you look into the following excellent ROMs
Midnight v 5.3 which is based on Bonsai. This is my favorite and Rob is very helpful about his and other peoples ROMs
Bonsai itself which you have to go to their site for
Syndicate Frozen 1.1.1 from ACS.
Frankenstein when ecooce finishes the newest one. This is based on the ACS ROM
There are some other ones on here that I just don't know as much about. All of the developers use each others stuff so no matter what you go with it is better than stock.
You will learn a lot from your mistakes when flashing ROMs but the trick is to read a lot through the forums so you can learn from others mistakes.
Samsung Epic Midnight
I know I'm about to get flamed all to hell for asking this... and yes I searched but not found anything recent on this forum.
I've heard rumblings that there is an Alpha out there from the Cynaogen Devs, but haven't actually seen a link or a way to get in on that...
We all know about the bubby mod, but it doesn't look like it has moved in a while...
Anyone got anything new to report about CM7 on the SS2E4GT?
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I know I'm about to get flamed all to hell for asking this... and yes I searched but not found anything recent on this forum.
I've heard rumblings that there is an Alpha out there from the Cynaogen Devs, but haven't actually seen a link or a way to get in on that...
We all know about the bubby mod, but it doesn't look like it has moved in a while...
Anyone got anything new to report about CM7 on the SS2E4GT?
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You really need to learn to use the search button.
He's on another forum that I won't name here and the rom is really far along.
Search general, you'll find the info
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No, sorry. I have been following the name that shall not be spoken too. He seems like the type to get something started, get bored, and then go to something else. I don't think he will finish it. I know others have mentioned working on it too. It just doesn't look like much has happened though.
On my Epic mobile phone.
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No, sorry. I have been following the name that shall not be spoken too. He seems like the type to get something started, get bored, and then go to something else. I don't think he will finish it. I know others have mentioned working on it too. It just doesn't look like much has happened though.
On my Epic mobile phone.
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This ^^^^^
Bubby323 I said it
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Amazing, we have the best Sprint phone out there right now but no cutting edge development. Might push me towards the Galaxy Nexus which I really don't want to go to because it isn't really much of an upgrade over the E4GT.
Haven't seen anything posted recently about CM7. Seems like it is at a standstill. People say he is in IRC all the time but I haven't heard any more progression with the Rom so not sure what is going on in there.
I know the next thing to fix was GPS but doesn't seem like that happened. Also put out a date of the 15th for ICS, but I wouldn't get my hopes up for that one...Probably a bad move for him to put a date out there...
yeah, I am kinda surprised that the CM team hasn't given this phone the attention that a lot of others have gotten, especially, since this is the premier phone on sprint, and probably the best all around android phone out right now...
Not for nothing but I am quite sure if you really want to know the answer to your question you can go over to that forum and post a thread. I believe someone will answer you.
I am quite sure it will get done eventually since so many people want it and this phone is one of the best out now. I don't think worrying about is going to make it come faster though. Honestly outside of GPS and wifi tethering it runs pretty damn good.
Although some may not have faith in the kid, you must remember he has still done more than you or I have done to this point. Unless of course you have done more and if so let us know....lol
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yeah, I am kinda surprised that the CM team hasn't given this phone the attention that a lot of others have gotten, especially, since this is the premier phone on sprint, and probably the best all around android phone out right now...
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I agree with that statement
It's been a little over a week since the last alpha was released. This kid seems to work in spurts. He probably has school to deal with as well.
Aside from the GPS and 50%-working haptic and the governors besides ondemand being a little off kilter it's a solid kang and stable as hell. If you can go without GPS It's ready to go and fast as hell. Games work, sound, bluetooth, DSPmanager (yay), etc etc etc.
Now...take it over to the other forum. As odd as it sounds the rules are the rules, this conversation doesn't belong here.
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It's been a little over a week since the last alpha was released. This kid seems to work in spurts. He probably has school to deal with as well.
Aside from the GPS and 50%-working haptic and the governors besides ondemand being a little off kilter it's a solid kang and stable as hell. If you can go without GPS It's ready to go and fast as hell. Games work, sound, bluetooth, DSPmanager (yay), etc etc etc.
Now...take it over to the other forum. As odd as it sounds the rules are the rules, this conversation doesn't belong here.
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exactly.... there is a place to ask your question....
Everyone needs to relax and stop saying we can't talk about Bubby323 (oops I said it again). Half the people over here shunning him will go over to the other forums and install his work if they haven't already did it. Like someone said he has done more then anyone else getting CM7 on our phone. So just grow up people. Flame away!
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bubby bubby bubby bubby bubby bubby bubby did some just say bubby!
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Everyone needs to relax and stop saying we can't talk about Bubby323 (oops I said it again). Half the people over here shunning him will go over to the other forums and install his work if they haven't already did it. Like someone said he has done more then anyone else getting CM7 on our phone. So just grow up people. Flame away!
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...sometimes the best way to get rid of an unjust law is to uphold it as rigidly as possible.
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...sometimes the best way to get rid of an unjust law is to uphold it as rigidly as possible.
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Where is it stated that mentioning bubby is against the rules lol. I can see mentioning wikirootz but not a former member of xda.
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Where is it stated that mentioning bubby is against the rules lol. I can see mentioning wikirootz but not a former member of xda.
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Discussion of development that isn't on XDA is prohibited. You can say bubby and rootzwiki all day long. Hell, you can even tell them to go to rootzwiki to find bubby's CM7 kang. But discussing Bubby's CM7 development at rootzwiki--discussing the rom along finer points--is where we went astray.
Considering all of the drama involved (on both sides) I don't think it's fair or realistic to make a judgement of who is wrong and who is right...but do I think that's unreasonable to discuss this in the general forum? No.
...but I don't make the rules.
For the record, didn't mean to start the whole drama about he who shall be not whatever'd.
Just wanted to know if anyone knew of progress made by dev's on this forum or had heard anything from Cyanogen that is more... shall we say... official/reliable/etc.
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Discussion of development that isn't on XDA is prohibited. You can say bubby and rootzwiki all day long. Hell, you can even tell them to go to rootzwiki to find bubby's CM7 kang. But discussing Bubby's CM7 development at rootzwiki--discussing the rom along finer points--is where we went astray.
Considering all of the drama involved (on both sides) I don't think it's fair or realistic to make a judgement of who is wrong and who is right...but do I think that's unreasonable to discuss this in the general forum? No.
...but I don't make the rules.
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I dont want to go back and forth, but General is general info about the device. I recall everyone discussing Deck's cm7 kang for the Evo 4G in the Evo forums, he had no thread here at the time. Then a thread was even made in the dev section called "another cm7 rom", the thread was made by a member not Deck, it wasnt deleted. So whats OK and what isnt comes down to who is OK and who isnt I guess, not whether it benefits the community....
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I dont want to go back and forth, but General is general info about the device. I recall everyone discussing Deck's cm7 kang for the Evo 4G in the Evo forums, he had no thread here at the time. Then a thread was even made in the dev section called "another cm7 rom", the thread was made by a member not Deck, it wasnt deleted. So whats OK and what isnt comes down to who is OK and who isnt I guess, not whether it benefits the community....
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Don't worry man...we're on the same side and feel the same way, we're just going about it in different ways.
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/12440-romunofficial-cyanogenmod-72-alpha-3-12-28-11-bluetooth-is-fixed/
Last updated on the 28th. Discussion is ongoing on the IRC channel.
Personally, I'd rather people know where to go than keep asking here. If mods don't like this, they can feel free to do whatever with it. Otherwise, there's your info.
Little by little I been noticing the dev's leave from our forums, So what will happen then? Tried myself to start creating a ROM but with no luck.... (laptop acts up most of the time). Anyways, as I was trying to imply what happens when development stops for the Hercules? Guess we will find out soon enough. I don't know if its due to the attitude given to these guys that are doing all this work for free or what? Kinda sad see that 2 developers go. Although their reasoning is personal and private, I can only imagine how they must feel when they do their best to make something for the public and all we do is nag on how bad it is or what can be done to change it.
This ain't to flame anyone or complain. Everyone has their personal likes. That being said why not invest some of that time of criticism and start doing your own. I have not been on this community for long as everyone can tell but I read and read and read. from our forum, the SR forum being that its similar device and its completely different atmosphere between the two. There's so much amicable peoplel there. They're willing to help on another. I just don't see it happening on our forums.Maybe, just maybe we just lost touch of what the community was created for.... to help one another create a better device for our daily use. Not to just constantly put in requests like the Dev is a radio dj . I for one. If its not that then its "this don't work buhuu!!!" It's been noticed here lately that there are sum differences between devices, hardware wise. That alone would drive anyone insane.. Bottom line, implement your personal touch to anything you use in here. That's what will make it your own pride and joy. I totally agree with stating something if it interfered with the functionality of the device. Then again its written very clearly in every single thread of ROM's, do this at your own risk. The developer is by no means responsible for any modifications you do to your device. When you decided to flash whatever it was you did, you took sole responsibility for your actions.
Last but not least, all I can say if it continues to be like this we might to go find new devices to toy with. This weeks its been 2 Devs that left. Next week might be 2 more and before you know it there wont be none. What then? Seriously, what then? With that said I want to say thanks for letting me vent and for creating this site for us (the daily users). Please nobody take any offense in particular for this is just my personal opinion. Doesn't reflect any ones else's but mines. Its a free community so I'm exercising my right to freedom of speech.
this is normal, as new devices emerge, like the SGS3 and Notes 2
Devs are naturally attracted to them
if you want to stay on the same device for a long time, then it's up to ourselves to learn now to compile, tweak, theme, and code the ROMs
a good example are the people over at the old Moto Milestone XT720 phone, that thing sucked when it came out at retail, and it's not very popular, but they took it upon themselves to build ROM from scratch and/or kanged it to make it a great device even after all these years, and the hardware limitation.
very much like the super geeks at the HTC HD2, can you imagine, that ancient relic able to run ICS, and most likely JB in near future
Get a new phone man. I don't plan on staying here much longer. I was tired of this phone 2 weeks after I got it. Its a miracle I'm still on it at all. Besides it has what it already needs. Amazing gingerbread and ICS roms both with great speed and battery life. What else do you want?
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This phone still has potential. Those devs left for personal reasons. I feel confidant that we will see more devs in our forum.
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Get a new phone man. I don't plan on staying here much longer. I was tired of this phone 2 weeks after I got it. Its a miracle I'm still on it at all. Besides it has what it already needs. Amazing gingerbread and ICS roms both with great speed and battery life. What else do you want?
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By no means it was intended for it to be a complaint as I stated. I personally love my S2, my point about the post was due to the current situations of Devs leaving. It seem like there's other reasons being other than personal. And I see it more and more as I read the posts about them getting aggravated about the constant requests. My point being, if all the above including myself feel they can do better why not begin by learning. Rome wasn't built in a day and i totally agree but I don't get how the community here is so much different than in the SR forum. Again it's not a complaint but just a personal opinion.
@ AllGamer, I totally agree wit you sir... alike a lot of us noobs would love to learn the hows and whats of creating custom ROMs but as like I said on my opener I can't due to misbehaving equipment. I've read pages and pages of the software needed and downloaded as best to my knowledge. Even went as far as to allow another community person to go into my laptop and find out where my issue was. The person himself was a Dev and by no means I was told to do so or anything like that. I gave him my permission to try to help me out so I could create from scratch without any luck. What my point is that maybe we're (myself included) have lost the purpose here and have made it to where we feel its owed to us to make things our way. Then again that's my opinion.
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This phone still has potential. Those devs left for personal reasons. I feel confidant that we will see more devs in our forum.
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Not only that. I just find that cm9 especially took a huge downfall once cm10 began to exist. I don't believe any time soon our devices will lack development. It's just there is so much out there to be done yet one questions "where do you even start!?" Personally once they get a stable build running of cm10 a lot of tweaks will begin getting added along with much kernel support being created. It's just a speed bump in the developer world, not a brick wall
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Looking at it from that point of view I can concur. But just hate seeing good devs run out like that. And to the most part being part of same teams. Weird to me again. Maybe I'm just one of those type of individuals that gets negative vibes about certain things. Just like the fact of it being personal reasons? I don't fully think that was it alone but who knows.
I still stand by my statement about the difference in attitudes between communities. Just seem like there's more "want" to help one another. Here everything is more frowned upon. Favorite reply here is " use the search button" but I'm sure posting a link to answer the question takes about the same amount of time. Or rather yet not reply at all if its just to get in a tantrum about doing it. Maybe its just my personal beliefs. I see it posted all the time, the community is to help regardless if lazy dumb or whatever (sorry about the dumb) but its just derogatory to sum. I'm a total noon but once in a while I have questions. Rather get an I don't know that be told search button is active. Thought it was the principle of this site.
Regardless of anything, its just I see no support on the development here. Either way I'll stop my rant and continue my educational reading.
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Honestly, I noticed the same thing in the SR forum almost instantly when I began reading sk8er's CM10 thread. It felt like "old xda" for me... In the future, I'm going to stick to more popular phones/Nexus devices since they generally have much better communities. That's part of the fun to our devices as gadget geeks IMO.
By the way, which devs left?
Remembering Old school Android for a minute...
I know you personally are not complaining OP, so plese nobody take no offense to any of this. I understand what you're saying and I always mod my own Rom to my liking. I had to learn to do it that way because I wouldn't bug any devs either for little personal things I liked. Just my 2 cents, but when I see threads like this, I have to think back to when I first had my Moto Cliq (big mistake there), my first Android phone, and have a bit of nostalgia. We had 2 developers, Travisjames and HandlerExploit. (props to you both if still around) That was it. The Cliq had no software support and updates were always 6+ months after other phones were receiving them, we couldn't overclock it, it was locked up tight, but somehow they provided a good user experience out of that old 1.5 Android Moto Blur. Lol! Made lemonade out of the sour lemons Moto gave us. I helped them by making some themes and learned alot about Android during this time just to give something back to the community. Everyone still begged Handler and Travis for ETA's, *****ed at them when things were going wrong, but considering they were the only 2 devs for the cliq, I always just encouraged their great work and tried to help them work through it, because those were are only two solid options for a good Rom. Whether you liked some things about it or not, they were still better than stock.
My Point in the end? That phone had basically only 2 Roms (in it's early days) for each software release that dropped. No kernels since that wasn't possible yet, and only 3-4 themes to choose from (one made by me after frustration of not finding a style I loved). Anything else had to be tweaked to your liking through trial and error, googling, or asking devs for help. That's when I learned how much hard work goes into some seemingly "Small" fixes or tweaks. Android is much bigger of a thing now, and we have so many different Roms out here to choose from. I feel lucky to be able to choose from: Sammy Roms, MIUI, AOKP, CM7/9 then 10, Paranoid, etc. and then onto mods: kernel choices, Overclocked, undervolted, different boot screens and themes (esp on MIUI/CM's), tweaks, etc. For a phone that dropped with GB I think were doing a pretty damn good job!
I know some devs will eventually leave with new devices arriving, as they have with the last 3 Android phones/2 tablets I've owned, but this community has alot to choose from... I'd personally like to say Thank You, to each and every Dev that has stuck with us, even if only for a little while. You have brough tons of choices, tons of speed, battery life, and beauty to this device. I don't know about anything but themeing myself, so I rely on all you guys to put out something hot. You never disappoint! If someone can't find a Rom/Kernel combo to fit their needs on here, they might never be happy!
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Honestly, I noticed the same thing in the SR forum almost instantly when I began reading sk8er's CM10 thread. It felt like "old xda" for me... In the future, I'm going to stick to more popular phones/Nexus devices since they generally have much better communities. That's part of the fun to our devices as gadget geeks IMO.
By the way, which devs left?
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Jamison904 and TheTechNiq left, due to deving took to much time away from there families .
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Jamison904 and TheTechNiq left, due to deving took to much time away from there families .
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It's time to upgrade then
Due to my infancy in time here I cant comment about the past on this site, "but" it still mind boggles me that at some point and time I cant contribute. I don't mind testing by no means. Being that at this point in time and due to equipment faultiness I can't do more than that. But my point is that there is a sort of aura that just don't mingle well with me. One point I seen that has mortified the crap out of me has been just the way people address others around. Like there is some sort of machismo just because he/she knows better or been around longer. Like i said maybe its just me, maybe its just my persona. Most of my posts are either checking in to report any issues with X Rom or so forth, questions or trying to help someone else with any questions that they might have as long as I'm capable of actually helping with.. With that being said, I fully understand that t the dev threads are intended for just that but why not keep them locked up other than to the people that want to test. Per say- as a form of request to be a tester or something before opening .
Just seems that the Devs get aggravated at anyone that comes in asking about small things just cuz there was no reading done what so ever. For good reason tho, its supposed to be for bug related posts, troubleshot and all of that. Maybe implement a form prior to opening the thread of any given ROM that states everything and what not works on it prior to allowing the user just go in and ask frivolous questions ( even understanding that no question is small in importance). But i see that being the main argument in the threads. Thought that was the purpose of the video? These are just my opinions. I'm just a grain of salt in all this sea.
Also would like to THANK everyone that puts forth an effort to make something out of nothing to make the t989 that much better for us.Guess it makes me a bit sensitive to see guys come up wit awesome work and then all the sudden it all falls apart. Either way that's my 2 cents. Thanks also to you guys that took the time to come in here for a read and for the input.
There will be many more devs for the t989. I've read the same s.it more than a year ago on the t959 forum. Their dev section is more "vibrant" than ever.
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Funny I was damn sure thinking the same thing myself. I came from a PPC6700 forum years ago where we had a kitchen and could make our own roms which was great. Then I had an Evo, Evo3D, Epic Touch and now Galaxy 2 and I must admit this forum is lacking with rom choices. I look at the development page and see threads last reply was a week or so ago still on page 1. That would not last an hour in the old Evo forums.
I get it that developers leave because of family and personal things but think about it. If we the end user did not complain and ask for this and that which I honestly feel some of it we could do ourselves, would that not leave them to more pure developing time. Which honestly if things are running right or small things need to be fixed and can be done by others it allows the developer more time to themselves.... Jus Sayin
The helping each other out is wonderful as well but hey the I can't find a kernel or where is this rom located in a forum with maybe half a dozen developers and main threads really never leaving Page 1 and you can't find it... Helping fine spoon feeding is another and the laziness is what causes a lot of bickering. I know just give them the answer but what about you helping yourself... I hope more developers come or at least they perfect AOKP JB since thats my favorite..
Good luck developers and good luck community... rant ova!
I hope the devs don't drop out, I just got the TMobile version. $99 @ target for the s2, or $229. Makes the math kind of obvious.
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Its not going to die no time soon its just the lack of interest that I fear most. Maybe at a later time or so they might get the ball rolling again but at the present it time seem a little weak. Well that's in comparison to our twin site( SR forum). Like I said before and I'll repeat again, its all about benefiting both end parties. Pops used to tell me and seem to fits well here, "one hand can't be cleaned up by itself, takes 2 to get it the way is supposed to be. " That's all my point is meant to be directed to. Not start world war 3 or nothing. Just feel like we are falling behind and its our own fault. If we have enough time to complain or address issues we also have time to help better the problem itself by addressing it and trying to solve it. Better yet, get this general threads or q&a threads just for that... I've personally seen ROMs with 400 or more pages and nothing is clarified. There's all sorts of people completely lost on steps on how to even install (flash) a certain ROM. There's guides yes but we all been to school here, we know that learning is not easy for everyone. Sh00t!!! Everyday is a learning experience. But some of us take longer than others.
Maybe its just my petpeeve to feel this way. But I know Im not alone when I say this, if there's someone that needs help and I can do it, no matter how small it is... I'll be there to do so.and if I can't help at least I'll learn something by helping that person search for the answers.
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I must be really out of it.
Who.. did we lose?
Lost another one today on a joking issue. Jamison , Thetechniq and BB today... and they continue to drop like flies.. who knows...
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dont we still have team chopsticks and TDJ?
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dont we still have team chopsticks and TDJ?
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Yes. Though TDJ is on a break from what I recall.. He certainly deserves it.
So I've decided to start this thread because I've noticed something that I want to try and get changed for the better of this community and to help a person that I think deserves it.
What I'm trying to acomplish here is to start a petition that could potentially get him his status back. He deserves it in my opinion. And for the most part, I think you guys might too. So just place your vote in the pole and try and concentrate on all the work he produces for use and his attitude NOW. Please don't hold on to those grudges if you have any. Thanks.
I just noticed that one of are very Recognized Developers here on XDA (Task650) has recently lost his "Recognized Developer" status. So I decided to take it upon myself to find out why. Task650 explained to me that he recently flew off the handle and went on a "noob hunting spree" as he stated. He openly admitted to me that he was wrong for doing so and mentioned that he felt bad about it. Then went on to tell me that he has just forgotten about it and moved on with doing his best to better the SGS3 Forums and XDA as a whole. It was pretty cool to hear.
I know that he has been dealing with some pretty hardcore emotional issues with his 6 year old little girl having cancer. I can understand that sometimes we go through things in life that are that horrible, and we as human beings can act out in certain places that we normally would not. It's just something that happens and we move on from it. I can see that that's exactly what he has done. His attitude around these forums is back on track with what I've known from him and I only see him contributing and helping everyone out here on XDA as much as he possibly can. I don't think I've ever seen anyone here spend so much time updating his roms, submitting patches, and responding to others in such a helpful manner like I've seen him do. Now that's the exact type of person I believe deserves a "Recognized Developer" status. Hopefully the majority of you will agree whether or not you hold a grudge against him. I know he doesn't hold a grudge against any of you.
I DO NOT WANT ANY TROLLING OR FLAMING IN THIS THREAD! IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO SAY. DON'T POST HERE! YOU WILL BE REPORTED IMMEDIATELY IF YOU DO!!!
Freaking out every once in a while doesn't make him less a developer or take away his skill and generosity of time and effort.
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I agree with everything you just said.
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Everyone goes through tough times and it shows that by owning up to what happened and why and accepting resposibility, then moving on to make things better overall shows he deserves the status back.
I fuxx wit the boiii!!!!! He got dat "celebrity status" roun here...
Cuttn up the bud on my SAMSUNG GALAXY S3.... #KeepIt1Hunid
I agree. He's a fantastic developer, puts out a very high quality ROM; and frankly, if he comes off a bit harsh... its probably something you should have googled. I've learned a ton, just from lurking his thread and asking the occasional question. Development software is essentially beta/testing software, so if you're going to run it... learn.
I flashed half a dozen ROMs to this device before I tried theirs, and now my only flash is for the latest update, which is routinely put out more frequently than any other aosp ROM I've seen.
Task is involved, interested, and more proactive than any paid developer I've ever known, on any platform... and he does gorgeous work for free. Its impossible not to recognize him as a developer, no matter what his title in the forum is.
Edit: didn't know about his kid either.... now I like the guy even more.
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+1. I just started flashing a month ago and Task 14 was my first rom. Great dev, great support, just a reasonable straight up dude. Thanks Task...you deserve it, for simply releasing quality work! Past is the past, simple as that
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He's a great dev and he is only following and enforcing the no spoon feed and always search rule
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I've seen plenty of other developers on XDA and other forums get fed up when people don't search or decide to get an attitude because something isn't working for them or they don't get the response they wanted. Some have even left XDA because of stuff like this. Totally unnecessary. Imagine what this world would be like without Task. Very, very dark. He's only human, most of us wouldn't have half the restraint he does.
Hopefully he'd just start his own site and carry on. We need him more than he needs us.... he's just sharing something great he did for his own satisfaction.
The guy that made my HTC merge bearable till my uscc contract was up did just that.
+1 Task makes the best ROM I've ever used on 5 devices. Amazing guy.
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Task is human.... OK, maybe superhuman, but we all get tired of out of control noobs wallowing in their laziness and/or ineptitude on these forums, asking the same old questions and not reading the OP. I myself am a noob around here, but developers, mods, and fellow xda-ers who chastise those who fail to follow forum rules have helped me realize it's better to do my own homework. I've seen Task's etiquette improve since the incident on the SGS3 AOKP thread, so it's safe to say he is truly sorry and deserves to have his "recognized developer"status reinstated.
And BTW, unicorns dream of Task's ROMs!
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lol wasnt there a "BAN Task" thread to? Good ROMs, quick updates.
I'm 100% with Task.
He could overreact a little bit once but there are some users that push it hard. Push it really hard!!!
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He's a great dev and he is only following and enforcing the no spoon feed and always search rule
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Eh who cares what title sits under his name. We all recognize him as a good developer and that's all that really matters.
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lol wasnt there a "BAN Task" thread to?
Good ROMs, quick updates.
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yeah i think i remember something like that. it was kinda funny considering everyone ended up voted that the OP of that thread get banned. lmao.
is there any particular reason you decided to vote NO?
Part of the rules and he broke them, I think he will get his status back in due time. Good Luck
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Eh who cares what title sits under his name. We all recognize him as a good developer and that's all that really matters.
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ok so i work hard too and we might get 1000 noobs in our thread too, you don't see me or anyone of us freaking out. im sorry but yeah things happen in life and mistakes are made, it doesn't mean you dictate what xda will do or will not do. im not against humanity or wheel of life, but if you are short tempered then let the mods do the job, you don't freak out bluntly on a thread like that. Im with what xda decides best. If you really care for him then help him with his work make his life easier, learn things that are done, fix things that can be fixed by yourself and if its a last resort you can raise a question and then if you get freaked out upon then im sorry that dev is either short tempered or life is not being right with him/her, but then again if life is not being right then don't create a UFC in xda cause it'll just splatter blood everywhere and it just doesn't make sense then to do anything. Ive made mistakes too here and yeah i'll admit i was infracted 5 times and yet i learned from those infractions and i learned to control my temper and learn from mistakes and move on. Xda did what they did for a reason and let them decide what they did is right for community and for everyone's well being, if he doesn't have a title of "recognized developer it won't stop him from doing his work. Also for cluttering threads to create a petition doesn't make anyone better, if you wanna voice your opinion then message the mods directly and if mods don't respond then go step above mods to senior mods and so forth. Also if you're planning to bash me because what i said isn't something what you wanna hear or look at then please don't bother because it won't change me, im gonna do my work, and i'll be here at xda everyday and i'll still be living. just my 2 cents.