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Hiya. I need some expert advice

Soo.... I have had android phones for about year. Now I have the epic and I love it a lot.., but I'm hearing about rooting and ROM'S and all this other stuff... What is it? And by doing these things will I damage my device.? I need to be clued in big time.

well before you get dinged for posting this let me try and give a link that may shed some light
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S/SPH-D700

Well... that guide on what everything was helped a little bit but it was all kinda confusing seeing as I'm new to the terms and whatnot. It basically sounds dangerous though and if I accidentally "brick" my phone I am going to die what are the positives of rooting my phone? And also, why would I get dinged fo posting this???

Cuz is posted 1000 times and u need to do your homework and start reading starting with 1click root is your best bet. And don't be afraid this phone is almost impossible to brick like I said almost and good luck.
dito33
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Geminispirit said:
And also, why would I get dinged fo posting this???
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Because technically this is supposed to be a developers board. They want you to learn the basics elsewhere and come here to develop new software.
And also we have people asking "what are root and roms" pretty much every other day. And then new people come and don't bother to read the threads that already answer their questions or use the search to find answers. Instead, they expect someone to start giving them the answers from scratch all over again.

Geminispirit said:
if I accidentally "brick" my phone I am going to die
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If you can't afford to be without your phone for a day or can't afford to replace the phone if it becomes damaged, then do NOT mess with it.
Most circumstances all this is harmless/recoverable, but if the phone is a necessity (or not yours, ie parents), I wouldn't mess with it.
The only thing more annoying that seeing 50 post threads consisting of 48 people commenting on "wrong section" is threads from people that just messed up their parents phone and -now- it's an emergency.

Go here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=798067
That should cover pretty much everything you need to know to get started and research stuff on your own.

Ummm thanks to everyone? I appreciate the advice and I'll try to figure this out. I'm just a newbie here (obviously) and I didn't know the ropes about how to find out "basic" info... Thanks for the links that were posted as well. Also, for the person who said something about this being my parents phone...? This is my phone.... and I paid a lot to get it and I don't want to damage it
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Ohh... and also I just believe I'm going to leave my phone as it is... I don't see the positive benefits of rooting it. Plus I don't want to damage anything
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That's probably a good idea. You shouldn't make any major changes to your phone if you don't understand what you are changing.

Oh yeah, no benefits whatsoever
WHY SHOULD I ROOT MY PHONE?
Rooting offers several great things including, but certainly not limited to, access to hidden features, total customization, better battery life, and overclocking. It gives you control over the device that you paid money for in the first place. The devs here are great at finding features that the manufacturers left out or disabled and making them work.
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wj0t said:
Oh yeah, no benefits whatsoever
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Lol... that sounds cool and whatnot but in the end, I just not that technologically wise.. but I do appreciate the people who are if I knew as much as them, i'd probably try the whole rooting thing
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Stop the insanity

So many ROM threads exploding with people who flashed their way into a whole bunch of trouble, and don't know how to get out of it.
Hopefully these predicaments are the inspiration many need to learn basic ADB commands after installing the requisite programs/drivers on their cpu. The trouble could have been avoided in the first place by not blindly flashing without reading the well documented issues they may encounter.
1. Read the thread,
2. Read the stickies,
3. If you occasionally like getting into trouble, at least have the proper tools available to get out of it.
4. If not, use search button.

couldn't agree more. what the devs do has taken a lot of work to make stable(ish) for everyone but it can STILL screw your **** up. so people need to be careful.
http://www.galaxynexusforum.com/for...9-basic-commands-newcomers-adb.html#post28883
theres a link that was useful for me, hopefully useful for others. further reading material, is what i guess i can say about it.

^ Can't believe I posted one of "those" threads. Lame.
Edit: just tried to thank you, but I'm thanked out for the day apparently.

If they can't read the original thread, you expect them to read this one?

its a nice thought, but roots back to RTFM, those that should never do

CMNein said:
So many ROM threads exploding with people who flashed their way into a whole bunch of trouble, and don't know how to get out of it.
Hopefully these predicaments are the inspiration many need to learn basic ADB commands after installing the requisite programs/drivers on their cpu. The trouble could have been avoided in the first place by not blindly flashing without reading the well documented issues they may encounter.
1. Read the thread,
2. Read the stickies,
3. If you occasionally like getting into trouble, at least have the proper tools available to get out of it.
4. If not, use search button.
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I don't feel sorry for them. I'm a system admin at work and I have so many users who do similar things to their pcs and I usually make them suffer a bit
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akira02rex said:
I don't feel sorry for them. I'm a system admin at work and I have so many users who do similar things to their pcs and I usually make them suffer a bit
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Yeah, not even sure why I wasted time posting that. I'm the sucker. Was somewhat entertaining in a way to see the lemmings jump off the cliff though.
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Flashing has become so easy anyone can do it. That's a problem because once they run into a problem they don't know what to do.
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Well... From this, they will learn eventually, from to 0 to 1. So they know about the technology of their device rather than just using it. People need to learn...
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this is the reason why i always tell ppl not to spoon-feed noobs answers, cuz they wont learn anything and will only mess up their phones and then beg for help by creating useless threads or post in dev threads..on the other hand if ppl didnt answer their question they will be forced to read and learn thus no more useless threads/posts

After learning how to fix my own mistakes and not relying on a toolkit, I've begun to wonder, why they are even around for the Galaxy Nexus.
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Haha that's why I stopped helping people in Q+A. I used to help with the whole "Help I'm bricked" topics. Not anymore. My opinion is don't mess with root system files than CAN brick your phone if you don't know what you're doing or at least how to recover from it manually should a problem arise. Let em sweat it before they finally search and figure out ADB. Which they will. Their first instinct is to come and just ask for help. After an hour of 0 replies and the need to use their phone now, they will search and they will find what they need. Not that it matters because you have people here saying just use the toolkit to fix it. Almost every single thread in Q+A has at least one use a toolkit reply.
Idk to be honest I just stopped giving a damn about anyone but me lol. If I tried to help every single person boot looping I'll be on XDA 24/7. I got a nexus, I jumped the gun & used a toolkit. I boot looped. I searched and I figured out what I needed to do to get back up & running. As far as I'm concerned let them do the same. That's the way it is today. Everyone wants to be spoonfed. They only want the end result, but don't wanna work for it.
Apple - Innovating new ways to take your money

Well if they brick their own phone, because what they do to it. They will be learn their lesson,...
Once i brick my tab... Then i learn from that to understand the process... About ask for help in web? ... That's out of question.. The only one left is... You and you brick phone.. Since that,i always looking many source of knowledge before do something to my phone..
Anyway android is open source isn't it? If people want to learn.. Why not..? Or it's just change like corporate, monopoly only for certain people...
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Opens door to room filled with people who think they are much more intelligent than most, snickers and quietly closes door and walks away.

Uhm. I think this is just another proof of the tiny minded humanity. Doing stuff without knowing a single bit or without thinking about consequences. Just like war. Making it without having a single idea.
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woody296 said:
Opens door to room filled with people who think they are much more intelligent than most, snickers and quietly closes door and walks away.
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I for one was thinking of instances where I knew what was in the OP :cyclops:
My Android knowledge is debatable and it goes without saying that my intelligence is highly debatable.

swimdude1120 said:
After learning how to fix my own mistakes and not relying on a toolkit, I've begun to wonder, why they are even around for the Galaxy Nexus.
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Hey, as the guy who started the linked thread in the second post here, I've used Wug's Toolkit to save me time before. Yes, I had the knowledge to get myself out of that jam if that didn't work, but I feel the toolkits aren't a bad thing by themselves.

fish1552 said:
Hey, as the guy who started the linked thread in the second post here, I've used Wug's Toolkit to save me time before. Yes, I had the knowledge to get myself out of that jam if that didn't work, but I feel the toolkits aren't a bad thing by themselves.
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I agree they're not bad at all. People just shouldn't be so fearful of, or think that learning, terminal commands is hard. Posts like the one that was linked are a great starting point, thanks for taking the time to author that post. They can pick up where the toolkits leave off when someone's in trouble.

It kinda frustrates me too. The only reason why I have a low post count is because I know how to search and I can get my self out of pretty much any sticky situation with experience/searching. I don't understand why people automatically blame the dev for something they didn't know what was going on in the first place. I have maybe a 1/10 of the issues everyone else posts because I do the proper steps before hand or I go into it knowing what is already broke. If it is an unstable ROM then why bother complaining, you should know that not everything is going to be perfect.

Same here on the posting count. I read about what I'm going to do, can't afford to brick and buy a new phone.
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Which ROM is best?

Hey all I am rather new to the rooting/ROM scene. I was big into jailbreaking iphones but finally saw the light and switched to android.
So I have a T-mobile Galaxy S3 with stock 4.1.1 android, I have it rooted and I used ROM manager to flash ClockworkMod Recovery 6.0.2.3.
I have not ventured into the ROM world yet but I would like to know which would be the most stable? Also do you lose all data everytime you flash a ROM? If that is the case that would probably dissuade me from doing it
Is there anything else that is recommended for a rooted phone with custom recovery?
Thanks guys!

I forgot to add that I am wondering about custom modems.. I live in a very rural area and I normally only have Edge network. Would this even be worth doing?

Look, research, READ, READ, AND READ some more. Only you can decide which is the best rom.
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Please refrain from being lazy http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2088179
T-Mobile SGS III

Ummmm..... YEH. A nandroid backup!!!!! Before u go ahead and tranform your phone into decepticon! Lol
Cmw, is good but I use the one from goo manager. I think their both capable of a backup!
Then afterwards have a go at it with 4.2 roms.. almost stable but still a few bugs
And touchwiz roms which are pretty much stable 4.0.4, 4.1.1 and. Soon to include 4.1.2 touchwiz roms <---- im waiting for that one
As long as u flash d2tmo roms u shouldn't come across any data problems even more so with touchwiz roms.
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elflip88 said:
Look, research, READ, READ, AND READ some more. Only you can decide which is the best rom.
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lol yea I think my brain is on overload from reading so much recently! :silly:

. You can try cyanogenmod they are usually pretty stable with all bloatware removed. Well you can always have an app like titanium backup or rom toolbox that can back up your data every time you want to flash a new rom then restore it. OK so read this carefully there's a thread that you need to find so you CAN BACK UP YOUR EMEI, if you don't know what that is its sort it like the brain of your phone you messed that up and it could become paperweight. Back up that nvfolder... also with CWR backup your current stock rom in case something goes bad you can always go back to something stable. Also don't flash other modems that's not from tmobile this will Brick your device. Since you seem pretty new don't go and flash att roms or kernels some say they have done it with no issue but again your fairly new.
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mt3g said:
Please refrain from being lazy http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2088179
T-Mobile SGS III
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I do apologize but with a fiance, five kids, full time job, and something Always needing done at the house, I don't have the same amount of time as some people. I read as much and research as much as I possibly can. I trust what some of the senior members on this site have to say.
It is not a question of being lazy it is a request for information from those that know more than I do and can direct me in the right direction.
I have read about many different ROMs but I am not sure as to which one is the most stable and offer less risk of potential issues.
I like the look of the Jelly Bam ROM but it is not for the T-mobile S3.

daxecutioner24 said:
. You can try cyanogenmod they are usually pretty stable with all bloatware removed. Well you can always have an app like titanium backup or rom toolbox that can back up your data every time you want to flash a new rom then restore it. OK so read this carefully there's a thread that you need to find so you CAN BACK UP YOUR EMEI, if you don't know what that is its sort it like the brain of your phone you messed that up and it could become paperweight. Back up that nvfolder... also with CWR backup your current stock rom in case something goes bad you can always go back to something stable. Also don't flash other modems that's not from tmobile this will Brick your device. Since you seem pretty new don't go and flash att roms or kernels some say they have done it with no issue but again your fairly new.
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Thank you for your advice, I have read about the importance of using the correct carrier specific ROMS/Modems. I'll do some research on EMEI so I can fully understand it. Once again thank you for the help!

crossfx77 said:
Thank you for your advice, I have read about the importance of using the correct carrier specific ROMS/Modems. I'll do some research on EMEI so I can fully understand it. Once again thank you for the help!
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No problem here to help like others helped me. Your emei is a bunch of numbers that gives your phone identity, to your carrier. When flashing, modding themes your emei might mysteriously mess up hence why you need to back it up. Some say cwm is causing it so they prefer the touch recovery others still use cwm without issue. Also never give out those numbers they are personnel to your phone, someone who's tech savvy enough could get it.
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daxecutioner24 said:
No problem here to help like others helped me. Your emei is a bunch of numbers that gives your phone identity, to your carrier. When flashing, modding themes your emei might mysteriously mess up hence why you need to back it up. Some say cwm is causing it so they prefer the touch recovery others still use cwm without issue. Also never give out those numbers they are personnel to your phone, someone who's tech savvy enough could get it.
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yea I read some about it a few minutes ago and I get what it is. Seems like you are def SOL if you screw that up!
A friend of mine lost his phone in Baltimore one weekend and someone found it and posted all over his facebook, we called the service provided and they blacklisted the phone using his EMEI number but also told us that the phone would be a brick after they did it. My friend called his phone and the guy wanted him to pay hundreds to get it back...some people lol.

@OP here is the thread that will help you back up your IMEI. It was the very first thing I did when I got this phone, even before Rooting. If you do lose your IMEI, this will inject it back in.
I suggest that you go into the Dev section and read a few OPs (do you know the difference between AOSP and TWiz ROMs?). Find a few you like and then go in and read about the last 10 pages to get a feel for bugs. If you find one you like, then start reading.
2 things:
First, since you have 5 kids and budding family, you need something that is consistantly working. For this I do not suggest jumping into the "flashing custom ROMs pool" feet first into a 4.2.1 ROM. Those, while some are stable for crack flashers and tweakers, are still WIPs. Play with the ability you have now -> Root. Contrary to some, Rooting does not mean flashing. there are several things you can do with Root that don't rely on flashing a new ROM or Kernel or Modem. Btw, DocHoliday has a modem thread where you can flash different modems(basebands) to see what works for your tower. There is also a Google.maps attached too.
Second, "Best ROM" threads always turn into a pissing match. I think that you are getting some good info in this for now, but I am going to close it when I get back to my PC. For one, you will get moderately flamed for opening a "Best ROM" thread (I closed at least 3-5 of these a day across the site) but I am giving a reprieve for a bit (until 2:30PM est) because you are getting some good advice for now.

Woody said:
@OP here is the thread that will help you back up your IMEI. It was the very first thing I did when I got this phone, even before Rooting. If you do lose your IMEI, this will inject it back in.
I suggest that you go into the Dev section and read a few OPs (do you know the difference between AOSP and TWiz ROMs?). Find a few you like and then go in and read about the last 10 pages to get a feel for bugs. If you find one you like, then start reading.
2 things:
First, since you have 5 kids and budding family, you need something that is consistantly working. For this I do not suggest jumping into the "flashing custom ROMs pool" feet first into a 4.2.1 ROM. Those, while some are stable for crack flashers and tweakers, are still WIPs. Play with the ability you have now -> Root. Contrary to some, Rooting does not mean flashing. there are several things you can do with Root that don't rely on flashing a new ROM or Kernel or Modem. Btw, DocHoliday has a modem thread where you can flash different modems(basebands) to see what works for your tower. There is also a Google.maps attached too.
Second, "Best ROM" threads always turn into a pissing match. I think that you are getting some good info in this for now, but I am going to close it when I get back to my PC. For one, you will get moderately flamed for opening a "Best ROM" thread (I closed at least 3-5 of these a day across the site) but I am giving a reprieve for a bit (until 2:30PM est) because you are getting some good advice for now.
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Thank you sir I appreciate it, I didn't mean to start any headaches for you, I guess I should have worded it differently. I agree the information is extremely helpful and will allow me to make an educated decision into whether or not I want to flash ROMs. I am gonna lean more to not because you again brought up a valid point, I need a working phone lol.
Thanks again for the continued support and I'll be more mindful about what threads I create :angel:

crossfx77 said:
Thank you sir I appreciate it, I didn't mean to start any headaches for you, I guess I should have worded it differently. I agree the information is extremely helpful and will allow me to make an educated decision into whether or not I want to flash ROMs. I am gonna lean more to not because you again brought up a valid point, I need a working phone lol.
Thanks again for the continued support and I'll be more mindful about what threads I create :angel:
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You didn't start any headaches for me at all man. I love what I do. That is why I offered help and a link before the lock. You are all good. Take some time (with that much going on in your life, good luck finding it) and read a bit and before you know it, you'll be answering more questions than asking.
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Flashing ROMs

Not sure why people have so many issues flashing ROMs
Boot loops and all kinds of craziness. Jesus!
All that is needed:
Wipe data/Factory reset
Wipe system
Flash ROM
Flash Gapps
That's it... Any more steps are hogwash.
If you flash a bunch of other mods and crap you may have issues.
As to these Aroma flashes with 50 different mods. Yes it will break stuff if you have no idea what you are flashing.
Off the soapbox now.
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that usually happens with newbies
because its their frst time
once u r used to it ,you are not afraid any more....but still its very diffcult to make a newbie undrstnd ...

I am not a newb when it comes to flashing, but i can see that some of the biggest problems with newbie errors come with the fact that this forum isn't exactly the neatest or newb friendly...
I have unbricked devices I've never owned or messed with, using geek codes that I have no idea what they are for or mean, but that was because the guides were easily accessible, had properly updated OPs and didn't take a whole lot of searching to find the right answer to minor errors I may encounter
On the other hand with these boards, it seems like one has to dig through 200 pages of comments just to find the answer to one thing, FAQs are incomplete, and there is no real beginners guide to doing anything... All one gets is do , A, B, C,... When it should be "complete step A (if you haven't done "such and such" prior, then follow this link here), then do step B (full steps can be found here), etc.
When a newb is just expected to know what it means to root, back up apps/data, flash custom recovery, etc (for the first time) and there is no direction/link from the OP as to where they can go to complete each and every step thoroughly, then I can see why there are mess ups
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PhxDroid86 said:
I am not a newb when it comes to flashing, but i can see that some of the biggest problems with newbie errors come with the fact that this forum isn't exactly the neatest or newb friendly...
I have unbricked devices I've never owned or messed with, using geek codes that I have no idea what they are for or mean, but that was because the guides were easily accessible, had properly updated OPs and didn't take a whole lot of searching to find the right answer to minor errors I may encounter
On the other hand with these boards, it seems like one has to dig through 200 pages of comments just to find the answer to one thing, FAQs are incomplete, and there is no real beginners guide to doing anything... All one gets is do , A, B, C,... When it should be "complete step A (if you haven't done "such and such" prior, then follow this link here), then do step B (full steps can be found here), etc.
When a newb is just expected to know what it means to root, back up apps/data, flash custom recovery, etc (for the first time) and there is no direction/link from the OP as to where they can go to complete each and every step thoroughly, then I can see why there are mess ups
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well this completely cant be true unless you know whom to pursue or if u never read the rules....many peoples always post in the wrong section which makes us difficult to understand

Soul reaper said:
well this completely cant be true unless you know whom to pursue or if u never read the rules....many peoples always post in the wrong section which makes us difficult to understand
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Don't get me wrong, the answers are there... I get it, but I must say (all prior device forums weren't this bad... even currently, I mess with my GNII, a Nexus 7, a Nexus 4, a MyTouch4GSlide, a Huawei Ascend and Mercury(<--S.O.B), ZTE X500, Thunderbolt, Note 1, etc... none of those forums are this messed up (but also none are this new or diverse)
My rant isn't with the Dev's (OP's) as they are to busy to worry about those who irresponsibly don't know what they are getting themselves into, and ultimately no one moderator has enough resources to clean up after everyone
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PhxDroid86 said:
Don't get me wrong, the answers are there... I get it, but I must say (all prior device forums weren't this bad... even currently, I mess with my GNII, a Nexus 7, a Nexus 4, a MyTouch4GSlide, a Huawei Ascend and Mercury(<--S.O.B), ZTE X500, Thunderbolt, Note 1, etc... none of those forums are this messed up (but also none are this new or diverse)
My rant isn't with the Dev's (OP's) as they are to busy to worry about those who irresponsibly don't know what they are getting themselves into, and ultimately no one moderator has enough resources to clean up after everyone
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There are some bad ROMs that try to do too much in the way of mods and many do not see the potential issues.
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RonnieRuff said:
There are some bad ROMs that try to do too much in the way of mods and many do not see the potential issues.
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I agree that sometimes the dangers of what one might do aren't fully explained (or realized even) at times. Aroma installs are conceptually quite appealing, but their implementation can be problematic if not careful - hopefully the stuff I've put together falls in the careful category anyway

dwitherell said:
I agree that sometimes the dangers of what one might do aren't fully explained (or realized even) at times. Aroma installs are conceptually quite appealing, but their implementation can be problematic if not careful - hopefully the stuff I've put together falls in the careful category anyway
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I have one particular in mind.. Not yours. The thread is nothing but issues because the instructions are weak and I honestly believe you can add everything but the kitchen sink most of it not tested by anyone. Noobs flash it all not understanding why half of it never works.
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Out of the box

So I just inherited the phone from a family member, and I have absolutely no idea where to start. I saw the stickies, but I'm still confused, can somebody help me out?

Turn it on first

If it's literally out of the box not rooted then here's the guide I used when I first got my phone last christmas.
[GUIDE] Root & ROM the SGH-T989
It looks like the person has been updating his guide so the info should be up to date.

mierkat09 said:
So I just inherited the phone from a family member, and I have absolutely no idea where to start. I saw the stickies, but I'm still confused, can somebody help me out?
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first see if its rooted....if you have superuser or SU app installed in apps then you are rooted.
then see the above post for root guide from where you can begin ur wonderful journey!
Welcome abroad!!

I will be honest, not trying to be a jerk...seriously! If you don't understand the stickies, or guide above.....then leave it alone for now. And read read study read. When you understand those stickies and guides, then have at it. As soon as you get a recovery flashed.....nandroid!! Always have a nandroid back up on your phone....can save lots of grief!!!!
If you don't do things like you're supposed to, you'll lose your inheritance and have a paper weight. And not a very good one either....not that heavy.
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kj2112 said:
I will be honest, not trying to be a jerk...seriously! If you don't understand the stickies, or guide above.....then leave it alone for now. And read read study read. When you understand those stickies and guides, then have at it. As soon as you get a recovery flashed.....nandroid!! Always have a nandroid back up on your phone....can save lots of grief!!!!
If you don't do things like you're supposed to, you'll lose your inheritance and have a paper weight. And not a very good one either....not that heavy.
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Yea lol I'm sorry, I guess I just had an enormous brain fart that day, BC the next day I used the guide in the sticky, and now I'm on PAC I appreciate the help guys, its good to know this is as good as a community as the SGS4G
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