I just saw some news about how tango works for lower end phones by disabling background tasks,etc and wp os is optimized to run at 256mb ram by adding some limitations and changes. According to the current market prices, the difference between 256mb and 512mb would not be more than 10-15$. Considering a bigger OEM like Nokia, it will be even cheaper as there will be a mass production (around 5$ maybe ?).
I wonder why do we need so much engineering (from windows phone team) to reduce ram usage while already mango is smooth and the minimum spec present already is circa2010 mid range. Why can't MS push innovation and resources into utilizing more power better (I know Apollo brings it, but still).
Even for first time budget conscious off contract buyers, 10-15$ does not make or break buying decisions. Why cripple their experience and add more overhead to devs (they need testing and maintaining multiple resources), when they can simply increase price slightly ? Also even in more developed countries, one cannot believe mobile salesmen, how does Nokia expect to make people in those developing countries understand that theirs is an inferior and incomplete experience while a far better multitasking and fluidity will be obtained with a small price ?
I believe Microsoft should have stuck with their initial minimum requirements. What do you guys think ?
The memory isn't the only thing on the lower end device. It has lower end everything, including cpu, graphics power etc. It's far more than 10$, more like 200-300$ difference.
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The people who have been testing the new tango mobiles they've said the os works really well. Have you got any evidence of this crippling experience?
10$? Tango brings the price down more than 10$, what about the CPU? Camera? etc... All the 10$ add up
I'm not sure you know much about Tango
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10$? Tango brings the price down more than 10$, what about the CPU? Camera? etc... All the 10$ add up
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The camera , CPU etc requirement was already pretty low. I remember reading camera was changed to 2mpx minimum few months back. Even feature phones have more than 2mpx nowadays. 800 Mhz is minimum CPU for mango itself. There is no change there. I was trying to bring about difference between a minimum spec mango phone and a tango phone.
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Have you got any evidence of this crippling experience?
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Please do read the tango article on wpcentral and other windows phone sites. Background tasks are not allowed. Also around 5% apps won't work on tango phones. It surely is a limited if not crippled experience compared to bare minimum spec mango phone.
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Also around 5% apps won't work on tango phones.
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Currently. The new 256mb emulator has been released to developers and Microsoft is working with the developers of those 5% of apps (if they want to) in order to reduce their memory footprint.
pillsburydoughman said:
The memory isn't the only thing on the lower end device. It has lower end everything, including cpu, graphics power etc. It's far more than 10$, more like 200-300$ difference.
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BS. According to this , the iPhone 4s parts costs $188 total. Also, I'm suspecting, that large manufacturers have much smaller BOM price. So, the real production cost should be less than $100 for "low end" devices and a little bit more, about $130-140 for the "high end".
So, it's just a stupid marketing stuff (let say - very BAD and stupid marketing). I'm worry about WP7 future
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Currently. The new 256mb emulator has been released to developers and Microsoft is working with the developers of those 5% of apps (if they want to) in order to reduce their memory footprint.
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Yeah but the point is why should a developer care ? Anyway people in the target markets aren't going to buy apps. They are most probably looking for free ones. And we all know how much time it took for all apps to be mango compatible (Hint: its still not complete).
My opinion is, Microsoft is doing too much work and expects too much work from devs while they could have very easily avoided these sort of things.
I think since you are a developer, you do know that not everybody cant maintain their own push infrastructure and background tasks are godsend. But tango won't have them, a glaring limitation which hinders the main selling point of wp7 - live tiles
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The camera , CPU etc requirement was already pretty low. I remember reading camera was changed to 2mpx minimum few months back. Even feature phones have more than 2mpx nowadays. 800 Mhz is minimum CPU for mango itself. There is no change there. I was trying to bring about difference between a minimum spec mango phone and a tango phone. Please do read the tango article on wpcentral and other windows phone sites. Background tasks are not allowed. Also around 5% apps won't work on tango phones. It surely is a limited if not crippled experience compared to bare minimum spec mango phone.
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We don't know yet what the minimum tango spec phones are so its hard to say how much you can save.
Limited experience but not crippling experience. As for background task, out of 150 installed apps, I've only 5 listed and of those 5 only one is turned on "AccuWeather". So I wouldn't consider it crippling, limited yes.
As for the 5%, they currently won't work but Microsoft has been in contact with all of them to update their Apps to work with the new tango paging system so they will run fine on 256MB Windows Phone's.
Assume:
A company currently sells a phone at $200
Actual parts cost $100 per phone
Labor and other Operating Expenses cost $60 per phone
Operating Profit per phone: $40
Now, the cost of parts goes down $10, operating profit increases to $50 per phone.
That's a 25% increase in operating margins, which is a gigantic increase when you are talking about manufacturers of commoditized electronic equipment like phones
So yes, it likely is worth $10 to OEMs, especially when you factor that they'll sell millions of phones.
They are planning to put those low-end to a table of GoPhone ...
Was anyone complaining like this when low end Android devices came out?
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Yeah but the point is why should a developer care ?
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Are you serious?
rstheboss said:
Anyway people in the target markets aren't going to buy apps. They are most probably looking for free ones.
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I don't think you realise how much money you can make from free apps?
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According to the current market prices, the difference between 256mb and 512mb would not be more than 10-15$.
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Hi again.
I've just found some pricing info for you:
http://tech.uk.msn.com/microsoft/nokia-reveal-new-windows-phones-at-mwc-2012?page=10
You can expect to pay EUR189 to buy the Nokia Lumia 610 outright when it hits shops in the second quarter of 2012.
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Now, if we compare that to, say, the Lumia 800 at ~EUR485 that's a whopping EUR296 difference. Let's assume the difference remains the same between the models (even if the prices are slightly lower/higher) for you in the US, you're looking in the region of US $400 difference.
Let me reiterate: $400 difference! Not $10 (though I assume your $10 difference came from the difference in RAM price only, the difference in the phone price is better do discuss).
Casey
Casey_boy said:
Hi again.
Let me reiterate: $400 difference! Not $10 (though I assume your $10 difference came from the difference in RAM price only, the difference in the phone price is better do discuss).
Casey
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I think my point may not be clear. I do know there is a huge difference between lumia 900/800 and 610. It is because there are lots of additional entities involved like build quality, better camera, faster cpu etc.
What I am trying to say is that the initial price difference between the least specced mango phone and least specced tango phone. Since there is almost no difference in minimum specs of mango and tango other than ram, the discount of upfront cost by 10-20 $ to a customer is not worth cutting important features.
Hope my perspective is clear now.
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I don't think you realise how much money you can make from free apps?
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Considering the Return on Investment, market share, test/maintenance effort etc... Its really cumbersome for ordinary devs. (Not the top featured ones.)
We all saw how much time it took for most of the apps to get mango compatible. Why target tango while most probably they have to redevelop/compile a lot of their code again to accommodate newer apis/features for wp8 in 4-5 months again ? I do know its far easier developing for windows phone but still..
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Considering the Return on Investment
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95% of all apps work on tango without any of those developers having to do a thing. That was a lot of investment for them wasn't it.
Can you explain how long its going to take to enable the apps that currently don't work. There isn't a single developer who would be thinking as blindly as you are. In fact your whole logical is completely baffling
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market share
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You think its wise to ignore the tango market share which could be well over 50%.
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test/maintenance effort etc... Its really cumbersome for ordinary devs. (Not the top featured ones.)
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Cumbersome? Explain this cumbersome process with the new developer tools. I don't think you have a clue what you are taking about.
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We all saw how much time it took for most of the apps to get mango compatible.
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All apps where mango compatible before mango was out.
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Why target tango while most probably they have to redevelop/compile a lot of their code again to accommodate newer apis/features for wp8 in 4-5 months again ? I do know its far easier developing for windows phone but still..
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If thats how you think it works, you really are lost when it comes to development.
Nothing you have said or pointed out in this whole thread makes any sense at all.
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Was anyone complaining like this when low end Android devices came out?
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Good question, and I think people are forgetting Tango is for markets where even Android and IOS are having a hard time breaking thru....and besides, most of us who already have WP phones won't see a Tango device, don't think I would ever replace my HD7 with a Tango device lol.
There are Android around USD250 currently available. People in developing nations are using Nokia cell phone. If I dial a number in WP, I have to open the Phone hub then tap one of the four tiny tab to select the dialer to dial the number. I wonder how many people in these developing nations would select WP to replace their Nokia cell phone?
It turns out to be a lot more than $10.
Tango has smaller screens, less RAM, a slower processor, ect.
The bulk of Android devices are the low end crappy free things. Microsoft is trying to compete there.
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http://www.wpcentral.com/sprint-s-htc-arrive-review
Sprint customers will be very pleased with the HTC Arrive and find the new Windows Phone 7 device was worth the wait. If you are currently using the Sprint Touch Pro 2 and like the fit and feel, we think you'll be very pleased with the Arrive. The Arrive will also appeal to those considering Windows Phone 7 for the first time.
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Very positive. I was thinking of skipping this one and going with an Android for my on contract Sprint phone, but this review has pushed me back towards the Arrive. We will have to see what other reviews have to say.
Another review has rolled in:
A fairly positive review for the Arrive. Most of the negative things said are concerning the OS, and also the reviewers inability to understand how to use the OS.
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/sprint-htc-arrive-review
PROS
+ Improved WP7 OS with copy and paste
+ Telenav included, lack of Sprint crapware
+ Terrific camera
+ Speakerphone
+ Spring-loaded tilt screen
+ Excellent battery life
+ Great keyboard layout
+ SRS enhancements
CONS
- Heavy
- Specs seem last-generation
- Strange method to remove battery cover
- Inaccessible 16GB microSD card
- Battery heats quickly
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actually, you can keep the screen flat down
just slide it out enough to reveal the whole keyboard
ima have to try that I myself ordered one already through wirefly for 80 adding a line. Ill have to see about the titled screen thing myself. Also any update on the Chevron unlock program, or any other one for the Arrive yet? Will the current one work for the Arrive.
i thought it was going to have the new milti tasking update
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i thought it was going to have the new milti tasking update
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Why would you think that? Nothing has come out from Microsoft or the rumor sites to even come remotely close to giving that impression.
Actually it was suggested that it would be released with nodo through microsoft... All in all it is much better than the European device but still not in the top WP7 devices I've used...
Edit: I didn't really read... Yeah, no multi-tasking update for a little while.
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Why would you think that? Nothing has come out from Microsoft or the rumor sites to even come remotely close to giving that impression.
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I believe he is mistaking NODO for Mango. It does come with the NODO (copy + paste) update. It does not come with the Mango (multitasking) update.
Every review I've seen has been extremely positive. Only really knocked down two things:
Landscape isnt in all apps when the keyboard is out
Camera quality
Other than that, they all said it was a pretty solid device. Some said it was the best WP7 out now and others said it wasnt the best but was just as good as some Dell Venue Pro.
I just ordered this a few hours back and will be getting it on Thursday. Me excited. Me happy.
Another fairly positive review for the Arrive. Most of the negative things said are concerning the OS, and also the reviewers inability to understand how to use the OS.
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/sprint-htc-arrive-review
PROS
+ Improved WP7 OS with copy and paste
+ Telenav included, lack of Sprint crapware
+ Terrific camera
+ Speakerphone
+ Spring-loaded tilt screen
+ Excellent battery life
+ Great keyboard layout
+ SRS enhancements
CONS
- Heavy
- Specs seem last-generation
- Strange method to remove battery cover
- Inaccessible 16GB microSD card
- Battery heats quickly
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Another fairly positive review for the Arrive. Most of the negative things said are concerning the OS, and also the reviewers inability to understand how to use the OS.
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/sprint-htc-arrive-review
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The majority of the time pocketnow and a few other popular tech blogs write off WP7 because they are dead set on android or iphone and if it doesn't have a row of 4x4 icons that are about as aesthetically pleasing as a school bus fire then they don't want it. I will tell you I own every US released WP7 device to date and this is certainly the best of HTC's devices. The build quality is solid, it doesn't have the feel that you're going to break the spring in the tilt mechanism like the European version had, and it's not too bad on the eyes though it could stand to be thinner. All in all it's a pretty good device. and certainly a great introduction to WP7. Remember, it's not about the specs. It's about how they use them.
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Remember, it's not about the specs. It's about how they use them.
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Exactly. I don't understand why people can't see this. If gaming, and browser experience isn't any improved, then what is the point of having a dual core processor? I for one don't particularly care for faster processors, those will come in time, but I am more concerned about getting newer, more power efficient processors in these phones. So yeah, these have last years tech, but the OS is better utilizing it's hardware when compared to its competitors.
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Exactly. I don't understand why people can't see this. If gaming, and browser experience isn't any improved, then what is the point of having a dual core processor? I for one don't particularly care for faster processors, those will come in time, but I am more concerned about getting newer, more power efficient processors in these phones. So yeah, these have last years tech, but the OS is better utilizing it's hardware when compared to its competitors.
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Preaching to the choir
No one seems to understand this but if an OS doesn't utilize their hardware properly then there's really no point in it being there. If WP7 can operate better than android on a single core let it be. You can mod and customize all you want but at the end of the day I want a phone that just works and WP7 does that better than any other OS. Does it have shortcomings? Most definitely but it's the OS that I feel has the most benefits that outweigh the shortcomings so until someone can top it I'm WP7 all the way. The Pro 7 is certainly worth it. Who knows, we may have better devices a year from now that blow these out of the water but for the time being it's my third favorite WP7 device and that's only because I'm hooked on the Venue Pro's screen and keyboard and the Focus' screen.
Its this Windows better than other mobile OS?
Why?
Why I have to choose Win phone 7 instead of Android?
Can some one tell me please?
thanks
For me, one sentence will answer all...because we want to try something new and fresh.
However,the usability and satisfaction towards the OS or device are depends on your personal preference.
IMHO, I'm not really satisfied with this new OS,it is still in premature stage.
Much better user experience than WM and Android. More restrictions than both though, but most people aren't affected by this.
WP7 is smooth, clean and simple. It's generally very fast and elegant in operation. But right now it has bugs...at least for the pre-nodo devices. It currently lacks the higher-end hardware associated with the latest Androids and the iPhone, such as no front camera or dual-cpu. It doesn't use a plug & play expandable memory card...though you can expand the system memory with a little complexity on some devices...without voiding the warranty.
MO, its nice and fast with good apps. Big and easy to the eyes fonts.
But the weak point it gave you the feeling the phone is tied down as if you rent instead of owning it e.g. cant transfer documents to pc(not everyone have sharepoint),
no backups on anything(apps with user data or sms..anything) shud the phone needs to be reset or repaired.
If you are a patience type, then waiting for updates will not be an issue for you.
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Much better user experience than WM and Android. More restrictions than both though, but most people aren't affected by this.
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Well, if you're going to confuse User INTERFACE with User EXPERIENCE, than your post is correct. Unfortunately, you are confused. The Experience goes beyond the interface. I'm not going to put my huge list in yet another thread. I'll leave it at that.
@ OP:
In the end it depends on your requirements and how you use your phone. The way I'd rank them, depending on what you need most:
Phone/Battery Life: Nokia (Symbian) > Blackberry
Media: WP7 > iOS (Phones with Bigger Screens, Zune Pass/Zune, etc.)
Gaming: iOS > WP7 > Android (Too many Android games are of terrible quality/bug-riddled).
Browsing: Android > iOS (More Browser Choices, bigger screens, 4G devices, etc.)
Communication (SMS/MMS/IM/eMail and Business Communications): Symbian > Blackberry > Android (WP7 would be in last place here, IMO)
Business User: Windows Mobile > Symbian > Blackberry (BB loses points due to needing BES for decent Exchange support - WM gains points for supporting every Exchange Policy and having Office Mobile 2010)
If having Voice Nav is a huge thing than Android > Symbian > Windows Mobile
If you're an Appaholic: iOS > Android > Blackberry
Since I know where you're probably (even if secretly) coming from, I'll just cut to the chase here... WP7 isn't as good as Android. The User Interface is better and it performs better in many cases (this is device dependent, to a large degree), but the level of services integration in addition to the functionality drop-off going from Windows Mobile to Windows Phone 7 is just not good when compared to other platforms. Microsoft failed to capitalize on their Windows Live services with WP7 (billed as a consumer device) and then they failed harder by locking down the platform so tight that the development community can't even help them close these gaps.
WP7 is a necessary step forward for Microsoft, but the platform is Beta in functionality and Release Candidate in User Experience. From what has been coming out of Microsoft, it also seems like nothing more than a transition platform. Don't get it until Mango releases to all carriers if you are coming from iOS or Android. You never know what the functionality gap is until you actually use this device on a daily basis. Using it for 20 minutes in a carrier store is not enough.
However, for those moving up from a feature phone and don't really want all the extra fluff of a true smartphone OS, then WP7 may suite them well...
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WP7 is smooth, clean and simple. It's generally very fast and elegant in operation. But right now it has bugs...at least for the pre-nodo devices. It currently lacks the higher-end hardware associated with the latest Androids and the iPhone, such as no front camera or dual-cpu. It doesn't use a plug & play expandable memory card...though you can expand the system memory with a little complexity on some devices...without voiding the warranty.
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+1 on this.
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However, for those moving up from a feature phone and don't really want all the extra fluff of a true smartphone OS, then WP7 may suite them well...
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Well, I personally moved from a "true smartphone OS" (WM) to iOS to WP7 with a couple of brief stops with Android, and it suits me very well. Because I can do more with it, and better, including work (which for me is primarily communication via email and checking/quick editing office documents). While I will 200% agree that WP7 isn't a "PC in your pocket" in terms of power/flexibility/features by any stretch of imagination, and it isn't a business powerhouse, whether and how platforms fit your specific needs is what matters. Each platform has its own specific bugs or quirks which you may not notice at all or they can turn your phone ownership into hell.
You're going to have the "hate it"s and the "love it"s, with a good mix of fanboys in the middle, so my advice is to get an actual device in your hands and play a while with it.
Read about its features and current limitations and if it fits your needs, it has the apps you require and you enjoy it, take it... I know I did.
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my advice is to get an actual device in your hands and play a while with it.
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Actually, this is a crucially important piece of advice. As uniform as WP7 devices are, I had a very difficult time getting a phone for myself. My major problem with the current crop is miserable amount of storage. I had to go for a carrier branded Mozart to get at least 16GB, and while it wasn't SIM locked and doesn't cause too much hassle, I would advise that you avoid branded handsets if possible. You won't get any added value from them but updates will be delayed, among other things.
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You won't get any added value from them but updates will be delayed, among other things.
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In some cases carrier locked models do come at cheaper prices, which is crucial to some people when choosing their phones.
scionXda said:
Its this Windows better than other mobile OS?
Why?
Why I have to choose Win phone 7 instead of Android?
Can some one tell me please?
thanks
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IMO you are asking the question wrong. It's a bit like asking if a Hummer is a better car than a Prius? With no qualifiers you will get as many answers saying the Hummer as you get people saying the Prius.
Now, let me add some more information. I live in the country, have three dogs (who like going for drives), we get ****loads of snow in the winter and them side roads leading up to the property are not exactly prioritized when it comes to removing snow.
For me it (Hummer) definitely is, but for them there city folks probably not so much
If you'd like to add some more information about what you use your phone for, i.e. what is important to you - I'm sure we'll get you some good reasons why you should (or not) pick WP7.
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Well, if you're going to confuse User INTERFACE with User EXPERIENCE, than your post is correct. Unfortunately, you are confused. The Experience goes beyond the interface. I'm not going to put my huge list in yet another thread. I'll leave it at that.
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The interface is indeed better, and the user experience is also better in general. MUCH better than WM's user experience; you can't deny that.
Similar to how the iphone couldn't do nearly as much as WM when it was released, but the user experience was much better. Everything "just worked" as they say. Some people have issues with WP but most don't have or care about any. It "just works".
Windows Phone 7 is by far the best OS I have used.
Android is very laggy. I can't tell you how many times I went to answer a call and couldn't because my Android device wouldn't respond in time.
Interface is unmatched. Way better than anything Android or iOS has to offer.
iOS is a good OS if you have the latest hardware (iPhone4), but the interface kills it for me. It's very boring.
Gaming experience is really awesome on WP7. Love the XBox Live integration/achievements.
Mostly everything just works without a hitch.
There are still bugs... but as an early adopter, I couldn't be happier.
Having both I say choose Android but watch WP7 for the future.
Currently WP7 offers very little to the customers.
It has very easy and nice interface but equally boring and dull to be honest.
Almost every thing this device can do is limited, maybe besides Zune and Xbox.
If you don't care about any more advanced features WP7 may be for you.
After 3 months of liking it I couldn't stand it anymore.
Limitations driving me crazy, stupid inconsistencies in performance plus Interface which is just a little bit too primitive (even if it's so easy to use).
Many people wrote here alot about both OS'es. Almost everything has been said.
For me WP7 is a massive disappointment. I gave it huge credit, bought my WP7 device for cash in December. But honestly the current situation is simply unacceptable at all.
Crippled features + no support in most countries with Marketplace, Maps, Bing and native Keyboard. If I think of it now I see it's ridiculous.
WP7 definitely is something worth interest because MS has all the services to make a perfect ecosystem in every possible area and that may be amazing. That was one of the reasons I bought it. But they don't do it now at all. You can do 100 times more on any other platform.
I suppose WP7 may be big hit once Nokia will jump on the market and WP7 will be much more opened. I think after Mango update this can be better and better.
But not now. Apparently MS has huge problem with the upgrade system what is not positive. My device still can't be updated although preNoDo was OK.
So a really competitive and finished product can be available around beginning of next year. Not before and it's too long to wait for me - I buy device to do the job!
I guess current WP7 is like an advanced beta where MS has it's learning curve.
And regarding the fluidity I say - people tell myths here.
WP7 lags sometimes terribly and current Android interations are really snappy.
I had a iphone then a Desire HD (which I still have) and now a samsung omnia 7 16gb, I also have a Ipad 1 so have a good idea of all of the OS's. All three are good phones, and getting any of the 3 different OS you can't go wrong really.
However I am loving WP7 so far even with the little quirks, the UI is really awesome and I much prefer it to Android in that regard, I spent hours using launcher pro and icons and lock screen mods and was never happy with how it looked whereas WP7 does all i need on that front and beautifully.
Also it's a lot smoother than android, though to be fair Android is as smooth as you need, the very little lags and jerks you get when scrolling are not big deals and I didn't actually notice them till I had both phones side by side, not sure why people make such a big deal about tiny jerkiness sometimes in the scrolling on Android.
IOS was a little too bland for me and I really wanted a better notification system as well as a bigger screen 3.5 was too small for web pages and gaming, though the amount of good quality apps was amazing, however I had my iphone for 3 years and I really only had about 20 apps, A few games to play when really bored and not at my PC.
Zune is awesome, million times better than Itunes, never used it before WP7 but now I am hooked, will be going from the trial to a paid zune pass too, works very well the streaming.
I also am impressed with the gaming on WP7 some very cool games in the market place, just a pity they are normally a lot more expensive than what you get on the iphone or android.
So overall WP7 does what I need (email, calendar, phone calls, and music with the odd game) and in a beautiful UI, for some people it wont do what they want and that's fine but for me it's great.
The Desire HD isn't used much at all anymore and I will probably ebay it soon. Really hope WP7 gets bigger as in my opinion it deserves a place in the the market even at this early stage of it's life
It completely baffles me as to why people continue to point out that WinPhone doesn't use dual cpus as though it has some negative affect on the phone or it's experience, even going as far as to compare it to Android phones which do use it. With it's first generation processor it still outshines newer Android devices. Performance? WP7 outperforms those dual cpu Android devices. Battery life, as so many have argued is the biggest positive? WP7 still gets better battery life. Also, how many people actually use front facing cameras? Really? I know quite a few people with MyTouchs and iPhone4s who have never done a video chat, and they've owned the devices since launch.
Just had to get that out there.
Really the only things where it suffers are in the app department....once the OS gets it legs(another year or so) it will be on par if not better than iOS. It doesn't beat out the Iphone 4(definitely better than the 3G and 3GS) and some android phones. I say some because Android is highly dependent on the phone you get. With Windows Phone you can pretty much go with any phone and they all work well. Im on my 3rd month with it and I still love it. Ive been through sony android phones, the iphone 3GS and a bada phone as well.
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With it's first generation processor it still outshines newer Android devices.
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Absolutely not true, actually just the opposite.
scionXda said:
Its this Windows better than other mobile OS?
Why?
Why I have to choose Win phone 7 instead of Android?
Can some one tell me please?
thanks
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it's ok .
Microsoft, a titan of the software industry, entirely unmatched. Nokia, once THE hardware giant in the mobile industry, fallen from graces due to poor software. Sounds like a romance etched in the stars for bards to write soliloquys about until time dth end, right? Well, according to the press, this is just a terrible idea.
Earlier this year, Microsoft announced an exclusive partnership with Nokia granting them more power over an already beautiful OS. Numerous jobs were lost, the bad press was everywhere, but Elop and Ballmer were smiling for the camera. Things died down, a few even began to see the bright side of what such a merger might offer, but with the release of the technical specifications of nokia's new windows phone devices, windows phone users everywhere froze. They seemed to offer nothing that the other OEMs couldn't. Some were expecting Nokia to blow us away with the use of a dual-core processor on a windows phone flagship device, my only thought, why?
Nokia is a hardware company not known for excessive hardware, but rather how they use it. While android was running sluggish on a 1 GHz snapdragon, symbian was smooth on a much lesser chipset. Nokia never was the greatest manufacturer for the power in the phone, just great execution be it their battery life which is absolutely phenomenal opposed to that of most smartphones, or their build quality, which provides a durable, polished, and attractive device. Don't even get me started on the camera's they've so often been praised for since the early days of smartphones. Nokia is a hardware company to be revered, even if not for their power.
Now, with WP7's strict hardware limitations allowing very specific chipsets in their devices, the chipset is not the issue by any means. What Microsoft needs now is a beautiful device with a great camera to take advantage of the fastest camera app out there, a great battery life to provide hours of smooth, lag-free browsing, and a polished build quality to match the polished OS.
Do I think WP7/Nokia could be a game changer? I'd like to think so, but only time will tell. For now, I'll just continue salivating over the new Nokia 800.
They will bring a lot - great build quality, great reception, great camera and free worldwide navigation with Nokia Maps. Not sure about the battery life but maybe there is going to be something in that part too.
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Microsoft, a titan of the software industry, entirely unmatched. Nokia, once THE hardware giant in the mobile industry, fallen from graces due to poor software. Sounds like a romance etched in the stars for bards to write soliloquys about until time dth end, right? Well, according to the press, this is just a terrible idea.
Earlier this year, Microsoft announced an exclusive partnership with Nokia granting them more power over an already beautiful OS. Numerous jobs were lost, the bad press was everywhere, but Elop and Ballmer were smiling for the camera. Things died down, a few even began to see the bright side of what such a merger might offer, but with the release of the technical specifications of nokia's new windows phone devices, windows phone users everywhere froze. They seemed to offer nothing that the other OEMs couldn't. Some were expecting Nokia to blow us away with the use of a dual-core processor on a windows phone flagship device, my only thought, why?
Nokia is a hardware company not known for excessive hardware, but rather how they use it. While android was running sluggish on a 1 GHz snapdragon, symbian was smooth on a much lesser chipset. Nokia never was the greatest manufacturer for the power in the phone, just great execution be it their battery life which is absolutely phenomenal opposed to that of most smartphones, or their build quality, which provides a durable, polished, and attractive device. Don't even get me started on the camera's they've so often been praised for since the early days of smartphones. Nokia is a hardware company to be revered, even if not for their power.
Now, with WP7's strict hardware limitations allowing very specific chipsets in their devices, the chipset is not the issue by any means. What Microsoft needs now is a beautiful device with a great camera to take advantage of the fastest camera app out there, a great battery life to provide hours of smooth, lag-free browsing, and a polished build quality to match the polished OS.
Do I think WP7/Nokia could be a game changer? I'd like to think so, but only time will tell. For now, I'll just continue salivating over the new Nokia 800.
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stigma:
the stigma amoung developers will remain, i would imagine. bitten by a company doesn't make you want to turn around and work for/with them again when they smile and announce a new product with a new partner. but that's only a few thousand people. they certainly won't be doing any dev'ing out of shear joy or passion. maybe for a job, but i doubt the flashy new hardware will dull their memory of being wronged by nokia, and now microsoft.
hardware:
despite the marketing and constant suggestion that nokia will be revolutionary hardware, or a great relationship with microsoft, or something 'new' and 'invigorating' - to the common consumer, it's a yawner:
another phone.
it's green.
big camera.
wp7.
more yawns, wp7 has been available for a while. 5-6Mp cameras have been available. dual cores, NFC, big and bright touch screens, it's all out there, right now.
so, what is the draw for just another manufacturer releasing another phone here ?
enlighten me
"Nokia/WP7- Is anything new being brought to the table?"
Yes, of course, huge huge impressive 16gb storage.
HTC and Samsung and LG have learned immensely during the last two years about both software and hardware in the new smart phone era. It would be difficult to outdo their current offerings.
But there is really a chance, due to their partnership, that they may come up with something new and interesting. Let's just wait a few days.
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But there is really a chance, due to their partnership, that they may come up with something new and interesting. Let's just wait a few days.
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I bet a lot of people will be disappointed.... Probably mainly low end devices
I also predict many issues/bugs/problems. Nokia haven't the experience that HTC have.
According to engadget "possibly the most beautiful phone ever made". But I guess without tri-cores they really arent any different from the giants that are HTC and Samsung. /S
Those blue and pink phones look great with similar-colored live tiles!
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I bet a lot of people will be disappointed.... Probably mainly low end devices
I also predict many issues/bugs/problems. Nokia haven't the experience that HTC have.
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um wat? lol. Nokia has more experience than just about any other phone manufacturer out there.
As far as what Nokia brings:
1. Excellent build quality & durability
2. Still best in class camera optics (at least on the high end phones).
3. Very good quality radios / cell reception
4. Typically very good battery life
5. Very stylistic designs well beyond what most manufacturers put out
6. Nokia services such as Ovi Maps (this will be huge for Bing Maps outside of US/UK)
7. Very large reach into lots of countries. More reach = more exposure = more people = good for platform.
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um wat? lol. Nokia has more experience than just about any other phone manufacturer out there.
As far as what Nokia brings:
1. Excellent build quality & durability
2. Still best in class camera optics (at least on the high end phones).
3. Very good quality radios / cell reception
4. Typically very good battery life
5. Very stylistic designs well beyond what most manufacturers put out
6. Nokia services such as Ovi Maps (this will be huge for Bing Maps outside of US/UK)
7. Very large reach into lots of countries. More reach = more exposure = more people = good for platform.
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It's totally true besides one thing:
Since introduction of touchscreens their own Symbian OS bacame disaster,
which just couldn't catch the leaders, even if it was offerring more features than iOS and Android some time ago.
They couldn't manage this and develop this OS properly, even having such great experience and potential and money.
So take nothing for granted. I am not so sure WP7/Nokia will give such amazing results everybody hopes for.
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I bet a lot of people will be disappointed.... Probably mainly low end devices
I also predict many issues/bugs/problems. Nokia haven't the experience that HTC have.
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Anyone want to bet that the Microsoft Hero Phone will come from Nokia?
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I agree the specs I've seen so far are not wildly inspiring, but maybe that's not the point. Whilst the sort of people who read XDA will probably be more excited by phones such as the samsung focus s etc., perhaps typical consumers look more at brand / aesthetics / contract price than processor specs, and Nokia still have a name somewhat synonymous with mobile phones for a lot of people. Even though I probably won't one myself, I see the Nokia influence doing wonders for windows phone as a platform as it will get it into the hands of many people who might not have considered it otherwise.
My last Nokia phone was the n80 and it was a great piece of hardware. 3.2mp camera was unheard of back then.
The software is the only thing holding Nokia back. With WP they have the potential to release premium phones as well as low end smartphones . Nobody has the worldwide reach lke Nokia. They are the biggest phone company in the world.
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This is something of a do or die situation, Nokia has to awe us.
The N9 is one great looking device. Meego also looked great.
They need to quit ditching OS's.
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The N9 is one great looking device. Meego also looked great.
They need to quit ditching OS's.
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devving for meego direct was hell so all we'd really get was ports and that's only from those who wanted to take the time to port. No matter how it went the best meego could've been is a second-rate android and they didn't want that.
We all know Nokia is going to make incredible hardware. What I'm mostly excited about are the OS changes Nokia has made.
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The N9 is one great looking device. Meego also looked great.
They need to quit ditching OS's.
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They ditched 1 OS.
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They ditched 1 OS.
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??? Are you kidding.
They dropped Symbian as well.
I admit i only read a few posts on this thread so if this point is made already im sorry.
The way i see it is that spec sheets are worthless as each manufacturer can buy up the same bits from the same places and bung them in a shell. WP7 is always a constantly fast smooth OS the expiriance unlike droid is the same from one device to another. So what does Nokia bring???? They bring the style! I dont see the spec sheets blowing us away at all or some super new tech but i ask you this when was the last time you looked at a phone without all the specs and that and thought wow that is one sexy beast? The only time i can remember really thinking that was over 11 years ago when Nokia baught the 8850 to the table. I dont care what the specs are i need the 800 (searay) in my life.
It appears Nokia may be a standout among all the other WP7 devices in more ways than a few. Sony/Ericsson will be providing CPUs to some Nokia WP7 devices.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/02/st-ericssons-novathor-to-power-nokias-windows-phone-devices-l/
It's not Sony/Ericsson but ST-Ericsson
There is nothing that suggests this deal is exlusive to nokia as stated in the article ie other companys could also use the chip. This only means that |Nokia have confirmed they will and thus that WP7.5 will support it. I may be mistaken but supporting higher spec chips and breaking a manopoly are 2 good things. I may be wrong though.
MS can't seem to win...people complained that the 2nd generation Windows phones were a failure...yet they still complain when MS changes something...wow!
This is great news hopefully better screens will be in future WP devices.
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That is not what fragmentation means
No fragmentation to see here, this is excellent news. I won't really be happy until WP7 supports damn near everything Android does in terms of hardware. I want Tegra (which NVIDIA has said is coming also), OMAP, whatever Samsung puts out, etc.
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No fragmentation to see here, this is excellent news. I won't really be happy until WP7 supports damn near everything Android does in terms of hardware. I want Tegra (which NVIDIA has said is coming also), OMAP, whatever Samsung puts out, etc.
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I hope not. I prefer to have quality apps and games rather than the fragmented system of Android allows. Having this new CPU might mean lower quality apps and games. Devs would have to code for more than one hardware profile.
The level of abstraction in the Windows Phone SDK really doesn't allow for much in the way of low level optimization anyway. It should be write once, run anywhere with little to no effect on app quality.
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I hope not. I prefer to have quality apps and games rather than the fragmented system of Android allows. Having this new CPU might mean lower quality apps and games. Devs would have to code for more than one hardware profile.
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Fragmentation is one of those words which, when it was applied to Android, took on a new meaning. Unless you have an ecosystem that only pushes out one phone a year then technically fragmentation will always exist.
But fragmentation was adopted to describe the Android phenomenon where new phones could release around the same time with different OS versions and hence different capabilities (one version has copy and paste for example) & compabitibilities (app programmed for 2.1 not compatible with 1.6), and different phones could be updated or not updated and cause the same effect.
Hardware differentiations are not usually considered fragmentation once the OS offers the user the same general functionality.
MartyLK said:
I hope not. I prefer to have quality apps and games rather than the fragmented system of Android allows. Having this new CPU might mean lower quality apps and games. Devs would have to code for more than one hardware profile.
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.NET is CPU independent, so devs do not need to care.
nicksti said:
Fragmentation is one of those words which, when it was applied to Android, took on a new meaning. Unless you have an ecosystem that only pushes out one phone a year then technically fragmentation will always exist.
But fragmentation was adopted to describe the Android phenomenon where new phones could release around the same time with different OS versions and hence different capabilities (one version has copy and paste for example) & compabitibilities (app programmed for 2.1 not compatible with 1.6), and different phones could be updated or not updated and cause the same effect.
Hardware differentiations are not usually considered fragmentation once the OS offers the user the same general functionality.
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Well put i would add an example of one os that nomatte what you think you have to agree avoided fragmentation and that is ios. Each year they bring out a new model that has better specs and as such the older phones end up being left behind. This will slowly happen with wp7 but to compensate MS will/should up the minimum specs from time to time to compensate. This will mean that older phones will drop off as there contract terms do and so more and more advanced features and apps can be developed without the same issues as android. This may seem bad for old devices but wp is very resorsful and so it will take a long time to drop off the back and at that point they should be obsolet anyways just like the iphone and iphone 3g are to ios. If this didnt happen you would be left at a single point unable to move forward. I would think a new min spec sheet will come with apollo though this is not to say old devices wont get it just that new hardware will have to be made ready for the next update and so on.
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Well put i would add an example of one os that nomatte what you think you have to agree avoided fragmentation and that is ios.
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I agree. Without getting anal about it (since you can still purchase a 3GS for free + contract one could nitpick that iOS does have fragmentation) the iPhone is immune to fragmentation because they only push out one phone per model year.
I think this goes against every principle of consumerism that you learn in the books, but there is no arguing it is successful for Apple. Imagine if Honda decided they were only going to offer silver, automatic, 4 door Accords with Xenon lights and a 300HP VTec engine? You would wonder if they were crazy. I do understand variations of colours in a car is an important component, but I wonder if millions of people are not sucking up a 3.5" screen iPhone so that they can own an iPhone.
Yes, this is an angry rant but this needs to be done.
After this forum has to endure relentless abuse from people about certain hardware decisions surrounding Windows Phone, I find it more than mildly amusing that these 3 flagship phones:
HTC One X - 4.7" Quad Core 1.5GHz 8MP
HTC One XL - 4.7" Dual Core 1.5GHz LTE 8MP
HTC One S - 4.3" Dual Core 1.5GHz 8MP
All have one thing in common: No SD Card Slot.
And the gorgeous Sony Xperia U/P phones are using android-laughable, mere Dual Core 1GHz "old" chips in 2012.
That being said, I love the direction new Sony Mobile is going in. Eye-catching phones with reasonable specs. Nothing overboard like 4.7" Quad Core. All we hear in here is specs specs specs, yet we are seeing a regression in certain areas among specific phones in the Android world. If I had a dollar for everytime I heard someone say Windows Phone is crap because 16GB no SD card slot is not going to be enough I would be retired.
What do Windows Phones need?
CPU: Modest Dual Core CPU only for the accompanying GPU to play nice games.
Handsets: More handsets on more carriers, and more nice ones like the Lumia 800/900. Would love to see Sony get into the Windows Phone game but that will not happen until Apple starts suing them too. And hey, if the S is popular enough that may happen.
Apps: More apps.
And that is it. Because a fantastic looking phone that is stable, smooth, has great battery life, and a huge library of apps is the recipe for success.
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I don't pay any of that junk attention, it's usually always the same people anyway....they'll see a shiny, new Android phone and the first thing they do is say "see, WP doesn't have this..it's a failure..". I read something the other day that made me literally laugh out loud: they said the"Windows fanboys" would change their tune about multiple cores...if the phone already comes with it, why wouldn't it be supported!?! I have repeatedly said I own an Evo 3D and an HD7, one has a single core processor, the other, a dual core processor...guess which one is smoother?
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I don't pay any of that junk attention, it's usually always the same people anyway....they'll see a shiny, new Android phone and the first thing they do is say "see, WP doesn't have this..it's a failure..". I read something the other day that made me literally laugh out loud: they said the"Windows fanboys" would change their tune about multiple cores...if the phone already comes with it, why wouldn't it be supported!?! I have repeatedly said I own an Evo 3D and an HD7, one has a single core processor, the other, a dual core processor...guess which one is smoother?
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Well, sometimes it is hard to ignore the junk when you read it everyday. A large part of the noise went away when bans were handed out.
But what is wrong with us all when specs matter regardless of how useable those specs are? I am beyond curious to see what battery life they 4.7" ultrasharp, ultracore phones are going to have and how people will be able to justify it.
I like my car fast, but I do not think its acceptable if I need to refuel constantly and carry around a fuel cannister in my trunk cuz the gas mileage sucks.
I agree, that's why I lol. ..some folks you just can't please: a person posted that you can't download mp3s over the air with WP, I said you can with the right app ( I use the full version of easyring ), they then complained that it wasn't free like Android lol...
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I pretty much silenced the entire quadcore android leaks...what MS needs to do thread when I posted 2 sources stating that multi cores were coming. I know N8ter got banned and he was the biggest one, who else got banned?
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I pretty much silenced the entire quadcore android leaks...what MS needs to do thread when I posted 2 sources stating that multi cores were coming. I know N8ter got banned and he was the biggest one, who else got banned?
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Wow, N8ter got banned? I guess i been away for a while. I stopped paying attention to XDA for a while, because of him & a few others.
Ok, back on topic. Yeah, these specs do seem a little stupid, but this is even on WP7. I must say that the OEM's need to make better devices & give better choices on memory size. At least give a few versions; 8/16/32 GB. Not force everyone to one size. 16 GB is good enough for me for now, but I can see how some people could use more. 8 GB is just laughable IMO for that matter, but some people just don't need that much space I guess.
He forgot to mention they will be available in 16 32, and I think 64 gb variations.
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Well, sometimes it is hard to ignore the junk when you read it everyday. A large part of the noise went away when bans were handed out.
But what is wrong with us all when specs matter regardless of how useable those specs are? I am beyond curious to see what battery life they 4.7" ultrasharp, ultracore phones are going to have and how people will be able to justify it.
I like my car fast, but I do not think its acceptable if I need to refuel constantly and carry around a fuel cannister in my trunk cuz the gas mileage sucks.
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I have to agree with this. I disappeared because of the constant Android fanfare here and the lack of action by the moderators. I had to constantly ***** about it in PM to them because they would hand out a warning to me and allow them to continue ruining the experience here.
I honestly don't think that these specs going on in the mobile world are going to last though. It's very reminiscent of the power wars with PCs a few years back. Ultimately, efficiency won out and not "omg I have 7ghz." And I think you're seeing that with Windows 8, where no new specs are required. We're seeing that with Windows Phone - where an older snapdragon feels like a newly released processor.
I'm honestly happy with my HD7, I have been since day one. The OS, the apps, and the experience has done nothing but improve every single day. With the exception of HTCs HORRIBLE driver release and bugs, it has been as solid as solid can be.
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He forgot to mention they will be available in 16 32, and I think 64 gb variations.
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You guys know how I feel about this. I one of the big supporters of the cloud, pandora, zune pass, etc when it comes to music. While I would love a little more space, I have a boat load of music on my phone, I stream even more, and I have 7gb left after a year and a half lol.
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He forgot to mention they will be available in 16 32, and I think 64 gb variations.
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Forgot? The 4.3" Samsung Focus S comes in 16/32GB options as well in the same phone. The HTC One S 4.3" is 16GB. So I need to get a 4.7" phone in order to enjoy 32GB if I want an HTC One? Maybe that will change but as far as I see there are no variations.
But to be balanced I agree phones should come in 16/32GB variations. The Cloud is not a good answer for why only 8GB.
This is hilarious!
It takes android phones 4 cores to get near the smooth experience windows phone offers with only one core.
1unu1 said:
This is hilarious!
It takes android phones 4 cores to get near the smooth experience windows phone offers with only one core.
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Since this General forum is so quiet recently,proves that the reason I remained silence is correct due to the typical WP7 fans like above?
if bashing android like you said making you happy,then just do it.
just want to say single core android can run as smooth as WP7 when it only build to run easy stuffs like on WP7.
Will back to my silent state again...think and experience always make you better....
I think the forum is generally silent because you don't spend time tinkering with WP, it works. My point (and I think the Op's) is that having multiple cores on a cellphone doesn't guarantee a speedy user experience. No matter how much we go back and forth, some people can't accept that there are a select few that actually enjoy their phones without worrying what the other guys are doing .
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I think the forum is generally silent because you don't spend time tinkering with WP, it works. My point (and I think the Op's) is that having multiple cores on a cellphone doesn't guarantee a speedy user experience. No matter how much we go back and forth, some people can't accept that there are a select few that actually enjoy their phones without worrying what the other guys are doing .
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I'm not sure the op had a point. It just seemed like the loling about certain new android phones having undesirable attributes. It seemed more about the sd card than the cores, anyway.
If I understand correctly, SD cards are being designed this way so that both system and user memory are combined into one; that way, there's no longer a hard system app limit, aside from of course the SD capacity. (I could be completely off.)
But all in all, what's the point of a thread on this? If you consider lack of SD card to be a dealbreaker like the people in the OP supposedly did, then yes, you won't be buying the One X. So what? Buy something else. Perhaps if there'd been a system change that made Android no longer support SD cards, then it'd be amusingly ironic. But you're talking about 3 phones here..
Not really anything new since the past two nexus phones haven't had SD slots, but it's definitely not going to help HTC with sales. Personally, I won't even consider buying a phone unless it has expandable storage. I passed on the Palm Pre back in the day for that very reason even though at the time it was the nicest phone Sprint had and I was stuck with a three year old Sanyo dumbphone.
It's a shame OEMs are following in Apple's footsteps with regard to non-expandable storage (unless you buy a whole new device for more money) and none removable batteries.
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This is hilarious!
It takes android phones 4 cores to get near the smooth experience windows phone offers with only one core.
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Not really on topic to this fora, but this being XDA we should at least try to keep information on here accurate.
It's a very common misconception that hardware will be able to fix Android's stuttering when it's a software issue. It comes down to the fact that Google hasn't optimized the Linux kernel for Mobile Devices instead of PCs. It doesn't give priority to the UI with CPU usage, so if something else wants CPU time the UI performance will suffer. Not to mention a thread can only run on one CPU so the other cores would just sit idle regardless. Hardware rendering has also always been available, but due to it's overhead there are times when it can actually hinder performance.
The article below deals primarily with Android, but the underlying issues apply to pretty much all operating systems.
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
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I'm not sure the op had a point. It just seemed like the loling about certain new android phones having undesirable attributes. It seemed more about the sd card than the cores, anyway.
If I understand correctly, SD cards are being designed this way so that both system and user memory are combined into one; that way, there's no longer a hard system app limit, aside from of course the SD capacity. (I could be completely off.)
But all in all, what's the point of a thread on this? If you consider lack of SD card to be a dealbreaker like the people in the OP supposedly did, then yes, you won't be buying the One X. So what? Buy something else. Perhaps if there'd been a system change that made Android no longer support SD cards, then it'd be amusingly ironic. But you're talking about 3 phones here..
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what he's trying to say is that all the Android fanboys come in here and poke fun at and chant failure to all the WP phones that don't have removable storage and that now has come back at them with the newer android phones not having removable storage where as the WP8 phones will.
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what he's trying to say is that all the Android fanboys come in here and poke fun at and chant failure to all the WP phones that don't have removable storage and that now has come back at them with the newer android phones not having removable storage where as the WP8 phones will.
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Three new android phones don't have removable storage, yes, I get that. So what? There are so many other new devices that, if an android fanboy don't want the One X, he don't have to get it. Saying "haha you can't get these particular devices" isn't actually saying anything, when the dissers have a varied enough ecosystem to draw upon. Maybe if they were all HTC fans (but HTC isn't even the #1 seller anymore, so..)
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Yes, this is an angry rant but this needs to be done.
After this forum has to endure relentless abuse from people about certain hardware decisions surrounding Windows Phone, I find it more than mildly amusing that these 3 flagship phones:
HTC One X - 4.7" Quad Core 1.5GHz 8MP
HTC One XL - 4.7" Dual Core 1.5GHz LTE 8MP
HTC One S - 4.3" Dual Core 1.5GHz 8MP
All have one thing in common: No SD Card Slot.
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I am perfectly fine if an android phone doesn't have a SD card slot. Those are on the big side of the big-small continuum. I don't think I would want a phone without a micro SD card slot unless it was a cheap and small phone. Even then, I don't know if I would do one without a micro SD card slot. Of it is cheap, the it probably won't have much in the way of storage space.
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Wow, N8ter got banned? I guess i been away for a while. I stopped paying attention to XDA for a while, because of him & a few others.
Ok, back on topic. Yeah, these specs do seem a little stupid, but this is even on WP7. I must say that the OEM's need to make better devices & give better choices on memory size. At least give a few versions; 8/16/32 GB. Not force everyone to one size. 16 GB is good enough for me for now, but I can see how some people could use more. 8 GB is just laughable IMO for that matter, but some people just don't need that much space I guess.
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Wow... i haven't paid any attention to that guy for awhile!
But yeah... OEM is thinking that customer will not need more than 16GB of data which is wrong. And they are thinking that people would not want laggy performance, so they don't use the SD Card to prevent this.
That is what i think.
But, the problem with this, i have said many times , that people will never know that Windows Phone run smoother in One Core only, they will still believe in the number and the mouth of the representative. "2 Cores will be better than 1, 2 is bigger than 1" .
Same Sh!t, Different Day. (S.S.D.D)
sylau90 said:
Since this General forum is so quiet recently,proves that the reason I remained silence is correct due to the typical WP7 fans like above?
if bashing android like you said making you happy,then just do it.
just want to say single core android can run as smooth as WP7 when it only build to run easy stuffs like on WP7.
Will back to my silent state again...think and experience always make you better....
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Same reason I stopped posting in here.
I'm on single core and having a extremely smooth experience.
Its also extremely annoying not having removable storage as Nicksi pointed out. That and the non removable batteries are big issue.
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What windows needs is more apps Had a windows phone for a while so many of the apps arent updated (like angry birds)