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Hey Everyone,
I’ve been an XDA user (under another name) for a long time, but now I’ve been appointed a new role to work with Flar and the moderators to make the user experience here better. For example, some of you may have noticed that the site has gotten faster in the last several days and that there are fewer 502 gateway errors. This is no fluke—we’ve employed an expert server administrator who has been restructuring the database to allow for quicker access speeds and far fewer errors. There is still a lot of work to be done, but we’re off to a pretty good start.
Beyond improving site speed, number two on our list is to cut down on spam. We’ve already experimented with a few tactics that have had varying levels of success, and we’ll keep at it until we get it right.
We’re also working on a home page redesign (or the “portal” as some of you know it). Our goal is to make it a useful destination for finding the best content in the forums and to make it easy for users to find new information about a particular device without having to scan through dozens of threads. We are recruiting volunteers to help identify and "promote" content to the main page, which requires some writing skills (see the "news" posted to the home page in the past couple of days). If you're interested and serious about helping, send a PM to Flar; she is organizing the effort.
Finally-- and hopefully this doesn't cause a mass uproar-- we are considering the idea of selectively adding non-HTC device forums (focused on Windows Mobile and Android devices). Every day we get requests from users for this, and there's really no good reason why we cannot oblige them. Already the discussion is happening in the general forums. That said, we will only add new forums if: 1. We are confident added traffic won't cause site speed to suffer; 2. We can recruit quality moderators; and 3. The content and discussion is of high quality. The only way to know these things for sure is to try it out. So, within the next 14 days we are going to add two or three non-HTC forums. The delay is to ensure the site continues to operate at a reasonable speed and so we can figure out where to put the new forums (the forum homepage is already absurdly long and cluttered). We are open to suggestions as to deserving devices for our first non-HTC forums, so give us your ideas in this thread.
I look forward to working closely with you to bring about exciting new changes to XDA that will make the experience better for you.
Hi Svetius
I asked a while ago for a forum for the Roadster, HP iPAQ HX4700, unfortunatly i received no more information on the topic since I sent a PM to Flar, if this could be added as a new forum, i would be happy to moderate it
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The delay is to ensure the site continues to operate at a reasonable speed and so we can figure out where to put the new forums (the forum homepage is already absurdly long and cluttered). We are open to suggestions as to deserving devices for our first non-HTC forums[/QUOTE said:
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Great to know about all this changes and modifications!
XDA is the number one forum on it´s genre
Personally I think adding non HTC devices could add a lot of intensive traffic and may deviate the main objectives and efforts from what this site was created, but I will support and promote any final decision made by Owners & Admin
Count with my help if required.
Just my 2 cents
Long live to XDA!!
It's great to see another Admin aboard XDA, and a very ambitious one at that! These sound like very exciting changes XDA will be going through, and some are much needed, like spam control and an update to the portal. I look forward to watching these take effect
Amen to non-HTC devices!
As a longtime HTC fan, I appreciate the great community we have here at XDA. But I'm looking to branch out, and I recenlty purchased a Toshiba TG01 that is a powerful device and I'd love to see a forum for that if there is enough demand.
The LG Expo is also poised to be a big seller here in the states; already there is work going on with that here at XDA, so perhaps that deserves a forum (it's one of the first WinMo Snapdragon devices after all).
Long live XDA!
PS Maybe a different color scheme would be nice, the yellow has been giving me lots of eye strain recently...
chambo622 said:
Amen to non-HTC devices!
PS Maybe a different color scheme would be nice, the yellow has been giving me lots of eye strain recently...
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If you use Firefox you might want to try this.
Very glad to hear XDA is dropping their completely non-sensical rule of not allowing non-HTC devices (oh, but we will allow Android on a WM-centric site? pfff)
Aside from l3v5y, none of the better known people on XDA I talk to on a regular bases agree with this rule (most think it's a really stupid move), so I'm sure a lot of people will be happy there will be change.
If I might be so bold as to make a couple of device suggestions:
- Samsung Omnia 2 I8000 GSM & I920 CDMA
- Samsung Omnia Pro B7610 & Giorgio Armani II B7620 (pimped pro)
- Toshiba TG-01 (aka T-01A)
- LG Expo (aka IQ, Monaco)
- Acer F1 (aka neoTouch S200)
Of course there are lots of others but most of them are quickly getting old... At least from my perspective these are the most important devices... Then again, what do I know, ey?
Nice to hear that you guys are so busy in making the experience better on XDA.
But I think we should not include those other non-HTC phones.
Personally I hate those Omnia's, they're in my opinion just crappy phones.
Sad to see it happen but you Mods probably know what's best for the community...
Sounds great to me!
It means my SE X2 will have your support!!!
Bravo!
Chainfire:
The main reason I've been opposed to extra forums is because it would impact the rest of the fora here. If the speed of this site is the first priority, and if this site can still achieve what it was made for (it's in the name really, XDA developers) then I can't really disagree.
Also, it would make a significant increase in the workload for the existing moderators, unless we recruit more....
I think it would work well if the devices selected were only ones that pass muster and are as feature rich as their HTC counterparts (e.g. Omnia II, Toshiba TG01 etc).
I'm fairly new to here, but one thing I do like is that this site is heavily slanted towards Windows Mobile. So while I think it would be great to welcome other Windows Phones into the community, I do not think that Android devices outside of HTC phones should be accepted.
This is absolutely awesome, thanks so much. Having the support of Xda-Devs is absolutely a must when buying a phone. until today buying a Samsung-device was completely unimaginable!
Maybe you can add some JS/AJAX to the page, so all device-specific subforums are folded, except the devices the user needs (multiple devices would be nice).
And IMHO you need a really good and catchy logo.
If you want me to help with designing feel free to send me a PM
What a great Decision
I am really happy to hear this. With my second smartphone (TD) i entered the world of xda developers and found answers for every question i ever had. I think it is the best place for discussions about htc devices. When i bought my Samsung Galaxy i was i little bit f***d up because of no more xda developers and it is great to hear this news now.
...hopefuly there will be a section for Galaxy Users?
I was crazy about xda back when I had an Apache/ppc 6700. But I am also a person who likes to try new things and move on to better things. There is no reason we should be penalized for buying a MOTOTOLA DROID or SAMSUNG GALAXY. Show us some love.
Great News Indeed
Wow! Just an awesome news! I think this is a realy good idea and the right way to became thes most important source for ALL Winmo (and Android) devices.
It's not nonsensical to focus on HTC devices on a website that is FOR those devices.
Imagine people asking for help with their Honda's on a Ford Mustang Forum.
As a long time XDA user, I love this website, when I got the Wizard, then the sapphire, I was insanely grateful to have such resources available to me on this site.
Eventually I got the DROID, at which point I had to abandon this forum, and all it's resources, which sucked, but I understand this isn't the place.
With that said, I am excited to see this forum open up for non HTC devices, as I will directly benefit from it. I am worried however that the forum may suffer not just in speed, but in focus. Think about those Chinese food restaurants that sell Italian food, hamburgers, and burritos, they make everything, but they don't make any one thing well. XDA forum is the equivalent of the BEST burger shop in town, so I think it is a very good idea to run a "Trial Period" and I hope for the best!
.... and yes svetius welcome on board mate
This site keeps getting better and better, I appreciate you guys taking time to consider and address suggestions (adding other popular phones-Android and Windows based) to the site. Keep up the good work guys and gals!
samsung galaxy
I've been a fan of this site for a long time. I don't post too much, but I have gained much information here. This site has been an invaluable part of my Android hobby. I own 5 Android phones and a Motorola Xoom tablet, and thanks to XDA they are all rooted with custom roms and I use each one confidently. This site is full of great information and helpful people.
However, as of late, XDA seems to be putting out a bad vibe to many of its users. I personally see this stemming from the fact that users are expecting far too much. Everyone feels entitled to everything, on their own terms. They make demands of developers that will benefit only themselves. Instead of helping new members find the info they are seeking, they'd rather berate and belittle them publicly. The act superior to anyone asking a question. And on and on(trying not to write a book here). I am watching as developers that have contributed so much be treated with little or no respect until they don't even want to be a part of XDA anymore. I am seeing new members being scared off by elitist, rude "veteran" members. Overall, more and more people are wanting to distance themselves from XDA.
We cannot blame the site admin or mods, though i do hope to see them push the site in a different direction soon. It is on our back, the users of XDA. We are XDA. We need to remember that the devs are doing what they do for free, and for Android as a whole, not us as individuals. What happened to the great sense of community with Android. IMO, that was one of the best aspects of being involved with Android. There is much more I could say, but I think the main points are made and you can fill in the blanks. I hope to see Android become a community again, where users help one another, don't expect everything to be tailored to them specifically, and share a bit of both gratitude and empathy.
I agree with you, but sadly I do not see Xda changing for the better anytime soon. Maybe not at all. The majority of the blame does lie with us, the users. But, the admin and mods must also take some of that blame, as they have allowed the current trend to continue as long as it has
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I agree with you, but sadly I do not see Xda changing for the better anytime soon. Maybe not at all. The majority of the blame does lie with us, the users. But, the admin and mods must also take some of that blame, as they have allowed the current trend to continue as long as it has
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Dude we get it, we understand your not happy, we are working on this so give us some time to work through the issues and quit berating us and maybe try helping us by offering solutions to the problems you see.
Ehh, what do you expect with family plans and children with phones? The smart phone demographic over the last 4 years has changed so dramatically. It's no longer just seen as a business tool, but rather the hip new gadget to have. So when you widen the scope and age of users the arrogance and lack of respect is increased and certainly magnified.
good day.
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Dude we get it, we understand your not happy, we are working on this so give us some time to work through the issues and quit berating us and maybe try helping us by offering solutions to the problems you see.
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Are you a mod or admin? I'm assuming so by the wording in your post. Noone was berating anyone, especially the mod/admins. I said they weren't to blame, and the poster below me said users are most responsible. This was a post to call attention to an issue, and try to get forum members back into a more community oriented manner, and to NOT react like you did by sounding angry, snide, and pointing fingers.
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Ehh, what do you expect with family plans and children with phones? The smart phone demographic over the last 4 years has changed so dramatically. It's no longer just seen as a business tool, but rather the hip new gadget to have. So when you widen the scope and age of users the arrogance and lack of respect is increased and certainly magnified.
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Are you a mod or admin? I'm assuming so by the wording in your post. Noone was berating anyone, especially the mod/admins. I said they weren't to blame, and the poster below me said users are most responsible. This was a post to call attention to an issue, and try to get forum members back into a more community oriented manner, and to NOT react like you did by sounding angry, snide, and pointing fingers.
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No Sir I appreciate your Post. abn has been complaining about our inaction for a while and we ARE looking to improve and it just gets a little old hearing the same complaint over and over when you are working to make this a Quality Forum everyone, including us, wants it to be. I do apologize for my perhaps over-reaction, but it is hard to be constantly beat up on. Yes, us Mods/Admins do deserve some blame. But we have recognized it and we are trying to resolve the issue.
We all just do our best.
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you need to consider that back in its earlier days, XDA was all about this lil' group of people with WinMo devices learning to rip their mobile OSes apart. as the site grew in size and popularity, more devs came in along with more end-users who feed upon the products of their kitchen. once the android explosion began, there was no other way around the fact that a multitude of users would flood in where as the number of devs coming in would be far smaller.
i still remember just over a year back when i got to cooking my own WinMo ROM the community was growing but there were still devs around where ever you looked ready to guide and help around but now that the site's more popular than ever people flock here expecting miracles and are not disappointed either. it's so addictive that you have to stick around for more. but sadly the number of devs don't grows as fast as their end-user counterparts. that's why you see this problem today. we need the newer member to be willing to learn on their own, being patient with the progress of other devs and most importantly...READING.
just my two cents.
Open tech forums are always ripe for attrition due to many reasons.
The question here is, do we cater to the users or do we cater to the developers? It's pretty obvious that without developers, XDA wouldn't be much of anything.
It's my opinion that the 'elitist' attitude which you speak of from the senior members is something that SHOULD be done, as their point is to protect the developers from being inundated with trivial questions and not detailed bug reports.
Kyphur, another XDA Moderator, had this to say back in 2008 (in a similar thread) when we were a bit smaller, and it still holds true:
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I think what a lot of people forget is that this is not a "make my phone neat & kewl" place.
As implied by the name this is technically a Developers forum/community.
Now what does that mean? Well first off it means that there is an expectation that if you are here then you want to customize your device but rather than just installing something that someone packaged you want to understand how it works and maybe even enhance it yourself.
When I first came here with a Blue Angel it was a different environment. PDA Phones were not embraced by the general public because of the expense and complexity (I paid over $400 for my BA). A $400 phone 4 years ago was expensive, today the Tilt is $300 after rebates but with inflation & the rise in the cost of other devices and the fact that there are other sources out there giving them away for $150 our neat bit of kit has become popular with mainstream users.
Now we have a flood of new users who are asking not "How can I do this myself" but more like "Give me the quick fix" without caring to understand the process. See if you read the threads then you get to experience the learning process, you see how the issues were investigated and confirmed. Then you get to watch the different attempts at resolution and learn why some failed while others worked. That is called Development.
The NooB backlash is coming from users who have walked in the development shoes and is directed mainly at those who don't care for the journey but just want the end result or destination.
As a Development Forum we are just as much (if not more) about the journey. I've read so many comments like "I don't have time to read all of the threads" or "I don't care how it works, just that it does". These very statements are contrary to the heart & soul of XDA-Devs and that is why the backlash is so strong.
Let me be very clear on this: IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE JOURNEY THEN YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
XDA-Devs is about developers & hackers helping each other and working together to get the most out of our devices by understanding them better than most.
XDA-Devs is not about helping everyone who wants a "Kewl bit of kit" make their phone better than the guy next to him.
Now do we go kicking users off who never contribute anything, NO. We tolerate it to an extent. Where the toleration ends is when these users start diluting the usefulness of the forum by repeating the same questions over and over again.
You ask us to understand your position. Well if you want to benefit from our experience and time then I think it is only fair that you understand our position.
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I think that there are problems here at XDA that are there partially because of the rather loose rules we have set in place.
Sure, the internet, like most places in our society, is one that is supposed to promote freedom of speech. But there is a monumental difference between debating and being immature. A large proportion of the members here grown adults, but it really, really doesn't seem anything remotely close to that quite a lot of the time. Quite a lot of "you ****ing prick"s and the like being thrown about between members. Quite frankly, it's ridiculous, like a bunch of rather scummy 13 year olds.
Part of that does seem to come from the allowance of swearing on the forums; not saying don't swear, because believe me, I'm the last person who'd say that...but I don't on here, merely because it's not the swearing or inappropriate language itself that causes the problem, but the behaviour that naturally comes with it. Many forums are banning the discussion of provocative topics such as Mac vs. PC, iOS vs Android etc. Obviously, this being a mobile device forum, that can't be done here, but there needs to be some moderator control over that. All because people can't help but be immature about it...
That's the worst bit of it.
As for developer vs. end-user, just look at the market now, as well as what the developers here are doing. Smartphones are now more accesible, and the variety between the OSs at their core is much smaller than it used to be. The developers are working hard to make the process of rooting, jailbreaking, any kind of software modification easier for the more technically inept user.
Developers can't expect this forum to stay a developer community if they are going to make their creations so easy to use So experienced users need to accept that XDA has now moved away from being what it's used to be. They need to try and be accomodating to less technical users.
However, the biggest problem here now are probably newer users. They simply don't read or search. Answers are having to be repeated over and over again, even when everything is in the OP...many users need to spend time reading, and they'll realise that a lot of the answers aren't even technical; just a bit of common sense and logical thinking and you'll get the answers you'll need.
In a way, a simple way of post once, sticky once, force end users to read it, and we'll get somewhere.
A lot of good posts here. I tried to word my OP carefully as to not point fingers. Or at least not to lay blame on any one group of people. And I can't claim to know the whole story as while I own a handful of Android devices, that is only but a small part of this site as a whole. I don't come close to visiting all the forums. I really like XDA. From what I see, it is one of the rare sites where thread, where i frequent, often stay on topic. This is due in part to the mods, and in part to the users directing newer members by telling them this isn't the right place to post, linking to an appropriate thread, or just giving a quick answer. However, it's when people start getting angry and calling other people out for not knowing something, being rude, blah blah blah, that I am seeing more of. If all someone has to say is "use the fu**ing search", or "wrong spot noob", there is really no reason to post anything at all. That isn't helping anyone. There are better ways of going about it.
And I think we all have to admit, the days of only the more technical users rooting and modding are coming to an end. Devs are making it easier, one click methods are popping up all over the place, everything is automated, etc. People no long need to learn what is going on when they root their devices. While I enjoy having that knowledge and using the abd method of rooting when there is a one click available, others certainly will not, and they often don't need to. Maybe this isn't the best decision in many of our eyes, but tt is a reality now. More and more people are hacking/modding/rooting every day, and many of them have not even used a command line. I mean hell, there is even an "adb for dummies program" that will install and set up adb for you in one click now!
Again, not point fingers, but I am saddened to see so many people arguing, so many snide, rude responses, people being so demanding and self-serving, and devs leaving the site. I realize that the site is bigger than ever, and that mods do this for free and don't want to waste time being "rudeness police". I don't have all the answers, just something Ive noticed for awhile now. Glad to hear the mods are working on it as well as they can. I know they don't want to see developers leaving. Let's face it, some of these developers have quite a following! Also, sorry they have to hear the same complaints over and over again, but, as I said, I'm glad they are looking into it(if there is even anything that can be done, and I thanks the mods, admin, devs, and users for making this such a great place to learn and share!
I am one million percent in agreement with this topic, but I think the blame is not xda per se... Now, this is MY OPINION, but the problem is as mentioned before, our current society... I said something similar on aamikam's MikG thread on the Evo forum, this is the result of the 21st century, where technology has made mankind do anything anywhere anytime with only a click, and the kids and teens of today are raised in this world of now, so is in their nature to have that state of mind, "I want this now"; and I know this is not all the world, but in general, this is the new way of life on this century, the age of now...
We can also blame the new parents of this era, the average parent now is in their mid 20s to 30s, low 40s and in general, are allowing their kids more privileges and liberties than they had just because "at your age I couldn't do it, but I'll let you do it, not like your grandpas who didn't allowed me do anything at all" and so on and so forth...
Anyway, just wanted to say something about this, good nite all..!
With so many haters and detractors crawling out of the woodwork to bash WP7 at any sign of a positive post, is there really a point to this forum? All it does is give the naysayers a place to congregate and spread their bias (as if there wasnt enough of that already) and the mods reluctance to do anything doesnt help but if only the individual device forums existed it would be much harder for them to mount organised attacks. Time to kill this forum?
I voted no. I believe this "General" forum serves a vital role to WP7. The hate is everywhere and closing this forum would only give the haters what they want. Just like the philosophy of a church, if "sinners" come for malicious purposes, the "Word" will transform them...lol
Let the haters come. We will transform into lovers through patience and kindness.
I voted 'Yes'. Criticism is good, without criticism how do you want any product to improve? The problem is criticism isn't accepted here, if you raise any issue you're automatically an android troll or an iSheep. Anything Apple and Google do well is labelled as **** and Skydrive is like a universal medicine to every illness in the world. Sure there are indeed a couple of WP7 haters around but most people who criticise it aren't and they're still being accused of started flame wars.
The issue with this forum is people who can't admit this OS has fault, i.e. almost everyone.
I clicked no.
Because sometime, you want to discuss something related to Windows Phones , not only one device. You have no where suitable to post, except this forum.
Also, this forum keep me quite up-to-date with all Windows Phones news and tricks.
Haters are everywhere, you can't avoid them, but you need mod to take care of them.
I voted no because there are few other places on XDA to discuss WP7. BTW, I enjoy heathy and constructuve debate, but far too often a thread is opened only to be flooded with WP7 is crap posts that are neither helpful nor constructive criticism.
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I voted No.
This forum is far more active for me than the HD7 forum. Yes it gets annoying when people start trolling, which is a different level to general complaints about the OS. At the end of the day they are us idiots of the other end of cyber-space. Mythical creatures not to be taken seriously.
For example, Peew971 has many valid complaints about the OS, but I do not class him (you) as a troll at all.
Life does not revolve around consumer products and shouldnt be taken so seriously, but for some reason people get so worked up about it. I wonder how many people on WP7 complained about their previous OS, hence why they adopted WP7.
I personally joined XDA with my arrival of the HD2. I loved it. Those were the golden years, but I found myself flashing WInMo ROMs too often. Then I had the dual-booted WinMo/Andriod. Then got bored and finally flashed with Gingerbread, completely removing WinMo. I found Gingerbread to be a disappointing downgrade to the Desire HD ROM I had...however, did I care...nope...because I was days away from getting rid of the phone and playing with the HD7.
I voted "No" as well.
Where else would I get a good laugh from jealous Android and iOS fanboys? Because we all know they secretly wish for live tiles, zune and the people hub but they just won't admit it!!
And just in case anyone was wondering... yes, that was sarcasm
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I voted 'Yes'. Criticism is good, without criticism how do you want any product to improve? The problem is criticism isn't accepted here, if you raise any issue you're automatically an android troll or an iSheep. Anything Apple and Google do well is labelled as **** and Skydrive is like a universal medicine to every illness in the world. Sure there are indeed a couple of WP7 haters around but most people who criticise it aren't and they're still being accused of started flame wars.
The issue with this forum is people who can't admit this OS has fault, i.e. almost everyone.
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There's a huge difference between criticism and the BS posted by the core haters here. The missing features are always highlighted while the unique things WP7 does are downplayed and brushed aside. Plus continuously calling the OS beta, crap and deliberately ignoring real problems that have affected its growth like poor marketing and biased sales reps and instead just concentrating on the numbers alone dont encourage discussion. Its always how WP7 is behind, android does this, blah, blah, blah but the parts that WP7 owners enjoy like the design, smoothness, speed, Xbox, Office, deep linking, double sided tiles, Zune player and other features are dismissed. WP7 is the only OS that is being held up to be perfect from its release and its been a constant bash-fest ever since its release.
Voted no. We need good moderating. The thing is we just don't get pure WP discussions. In nearly every thread Android and iOS are beeing mentioned so everytime it's more like WP7 vs Android/iOS. I just want a pure WP forum without those dumb comparisons and to get rid of those people who cannot accept that there are people who like WP especially those who don't own a WP device and throwing things into threads like "android is the best" whatever. I really cannot stand those people.
You're absolutely right about the mods refusing to do a damn thing. eric, while completely insane and overly fanboyish, did have valid points in pointing out that people in this section are complete dickheads. I got a forum warning thing for calling another member out on his bull****, yet the mod repeatedly allowed him to go at other users, in that thread and others, I'm assuming just because he was spreading negative information. This section has become an area that I love, but hate to come here just because I know every thread, even ones titled "Come in here and say what you love about WP7" will ultimately have some idiot come in and say "nothing, Android is superior to the Polish crowd"
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I voted 'Yes'. Criticism is good, without criticism how do you want any product to improve? The problem is criticism isn't accepted here, if you raise any issue you're automatically an android troll or an iSheep. Anything Apple and Google do well is labelled as **** and Skydrive is like a universal medicine to every illness in the world. Sure there are indeed a couple of WP7 haters around but most people who criticise it aren't and they're still being accused of started flame wars.
The issue with this forum is people who can't admit this OS has fault, i.e. almost everyone.
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This seems to be the impression I get. I was, or should say still am, debating the move. I want to see what the people say, good and bad, but at times the feedback / comments seem more polarizing than the Android banter. I get it's still growing, and with a limited user base (which naturally results in the bigger fans being more vocal) you are going to have the more swinging opinions being voiced. I'm still trying to understand all this constructive criticism I am seeing (issues I, and would think many, would find fault in) being dismissed for some silly reasons. I hear simple **** being brushed off for the sake of a liquid bm-style UI experience.
There appears to be a few glaring issues, and more than a few minor niggles, that are dismissed on the account of said poster not finding a need for this. Maybe it's the number of users to posters here, but I've seen some more legitimate critiquing and discussion within the Android camp. And that's saying something, considering Android users seem to be the fastest to sling the "****."
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He has half a point made less important and taken less seriously by the inability to express it coherantly. The language he uses seems to me that he has more of a grudge than anything. His post is one of pure anger. I agree things could be done better. I've mentioned the use of github for ICS joint development many times but it never really happened.
That said, I have learned a lot here. I have always felt I have managed to get the help I need in a thread for a particular ROM... IF there is an answer and I have also been able to give the help needed. There is nothing wrong with "one-man-operations". Most the "****" people do here has already been done so its not like it needs to be documented and made available in every ROM.
Yes its chaos, but its our chaos and we understand it. I guess he never made it to 10 posts.
That guy is a moron.
Where to begin.
1. XDA is not a software company, it is, in fact, a forum. So to attack its "forum like organization"...just sounds stupid. It's like saying "look at that freaking tea kettle, brewing tea, how dare it!" This wasn't set up, intended for or was ever thought to be a business-type, engineering/programming atmosphere. It's a chill spot, like a beach, for nerds who love their smartphones. It's 2012, grow the hell up.
2. XDA is driven by user generated content, not by employees. ROMs, kernels, tweaks, mods, themes, etc are done by people like teachers, writers, auto mechanics, etc etc. It's a hobby for us. To give them crap for not following proper programming documentation is simply wrong (although everyone who releases a kernel must follow the rules of the GPL, that's a given). These people aren't engineers and don't have degrees in this stuff (well, most don't ), they're hobbyists. To attack them is to attack the spirit of XDA: which is caring, sharing and enjoying yourself. This is not a business, to assume that it should be run like one is asinine.
This guy is a dirtbag and a blowhard. This is a giant, dysfunctional, international family of people who just happen to love their smartphones. We tweak things as we like them, release them for whoever wants to try them and just hang out and discuss stuff. That guy is the next door neighbor who hates loud music and hot chicks doing keg stands on his lawn.
Ignore him, he's just angry because things aren't exactly to his specifications and he wants a rise out of everyone. He's what the interwebz calls a "troll".
rootSU said:
The language he uses seems to me that he has more of a grudge than anything. His post is one of pure anger.
Agree Completely
That said, I have learned a lot here.
Agree more so than anything +infinity
Yes its chaos, but its our chaos and we understand it. I guess he never made it to 10 posts.
+1 on that, I know exactly what everything means
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PoorCollegeGuy said:
That guy is a moron.
Where to begin.
1. XDA is not a software company, it is, in fact, a forum. So to attack its "forum like organization"...just sounds stupid. It's like saying "look at that freaking tea kettle, brewing tea, how dare it!"
lol
This wasn't set up, intended for or was ever thought to be a business-type, engineering/programming atmosphere. It's a chill spot, like a beach, for nerds who love their smartphones. It's 2012, grow the hell up.
2. XDA is driven by user generated content, not by employees. ROMs, kernels, tweaks, mods, themes, etc are done by people like teachers, writers, auto mechanics, etc etc. It's a hobby for us. To give them crap for not following proper programming documentation is simply wrong (although everyone who releases a kernel must follow the rules of the GPL, that's a given). These people aren't engineers and don't have degrees in this stuff (well, most don't ), they're hobbyists. To attack them is to attack the spirit of XDA: which is caring, sharing and enjoying yourself. This is not a business, to assume that it should be run like one is asinine.
This guy is a dirtbag and a blowhard. This is a giant, dysfunctional, international family of people who just happen to love their smartphones. We tweak things as we like them, release them for whoever wants to try them and just hang out and discuss stuff. That guy is the next door neighbor who hates loud music and hot chicks doing keg stands on his lawn.
Ignore him, he's just angry because things aren't exactly to his specifications and he wants a rise out of everyone. He's what the interwebz calls a "troll".
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It's nice to see views from a different perspective, it sort of made sense reading that (and ofcourse it did perfectly to him), since it wasn't taking into account what xda is and always has been.
Correct me if I'm wrong but CyanogenMod started out as a one man project right? It gotten so big that it really needs the documentation, traceability, bug tracking, in other words the "system" that he spoke of. So there... funny.
I saw this posted on some other ROM site that was once an active member here on XDA, as expected they agree with what was posted.
I think what he was complaining about is that there is no formal place for developers to go, create, document and update their projects - and just used xda as somewhere where he could aim his rant since it's the place to go if you want something for your android phone.
That being said, it'd be nice to see cooperation as seen with the CM team, things would probably get done a lot faster and more efficiently, as for people starting their own projects and turning them into "donate to me" buttons.. if that's all you want then how about making an account for the donations and spreading it evenly between the team.
I was thinking long long time before I finally came to a conclusion to write this, rather frustrated, post. Believe me, it is not easy to put it together with clear mind and intention to not to offend or be prejudicial.
A major part of XDA is spinning around custom ROMs ... a f*cking MAJOR part..... giving custom ROM developers feeling that it is actually a legitimate place to offer, or more precisely market, their so called "inventions"...
While I am a member of XDA only a short time, I can imagine what spirit was once behind this server. Spirit of sharing knowledge, progress. There are still lot of members, who live up to this spirit, but there is also a lot, who are just "selling" their product for "THANKS" buttons, and of course DONATIONS.
There is nothing wrong with thanks or donations, should they support an effort that leads into more community education and involvement. My concern is heading more in direction of so called ROM gluers.... Guys, who don't actually develop anything at all, just collect work of other people, glue it together and then release it under some bombastic name like: "Project Saturndancers: Timelapse IV".... and the all greedy flash junkies are flashing, in frenzy of having something more on their mobile than they already paid for.
And then comes the bitter morning, the wake-up where some features are not working the way they should, some not at all. And the reply of the "all-mighty" developer ? Read the OP -- I guarantee nothing, you flash on your own risk....
Agree, we all flash on our own risk. But if it is so, then it would be at least fair, if so called "ROM Developers" end up the marketing of their own semi-products, promising "Awesome sound" "Unparalleled performance" "Superior battery life" and other rather qualitative measures.
If such praxis continues, XDA is just changing from a developer server in some sort of whore-house.
ondrejvaroscak said:
While I am a member of XDA only a short time, I can imagine what spirit was once behind this server. Spirit of sharing knowledge, progress.
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You are absolutely correct. Way back years ago, while Windows Mobile 5 was around on PDAs, XDA started up for this exact purpose. We had many amazing people with intricate knowledge of how the operating system and devices were all put together. They shared their work and knowledge with others and it was a place all about learning.
But many years have passed, times have changed. Every man and his dog has a smartphone nowadays. It's become easy for people to zip up other mods together and release their "own". But as you say, when it comes to providing support or working out issues, they sometimes don't have the knowledge to do this. But in saying this, there are MANY skilled developers who come up with amazing work, and put in countless hours in providing and supporting their work. All for people to modernise or improve their smartphones, and not be charged anything for the service.
But even back in the early days, we had "ROM Kitchens" where anyone could cook up a Windows Mobile ROM with features they wanted, and they then posted their ROMs on XDA. Each was customised to how they wanted.
Nowadays, it's just down to the sheer number of Android users, that we're seeing this explosion of ROMs.
All I can suggest is you only use the ones you are interested in, and simply not use or look at the others. At the end of the day, they are doing no harm. if they are (for example bricking devices), then we will intervene.
the_scotsman said:
You are absolutely correct. Way back years ago, while Windows Mobile 5 was around on PDAs, XDA started up for this exact purpose. We had many amazing people with intricate knowledge of how the operating system and devices were all put together. They shared their work and knowledge with others and it was a place all about learning.
But many years have passed, times have changed. Every man and his dog has a smartphone nowadays. It's become easy for people to zip up other mods together and release their "own". But as you say, when it comes to providing support or working out issues, they sometimes don't have the knowledge to do this. But in saying this, there are MANY skilled developers who come up with amazing work, and put in countless hours in providing and supporting their work. All for people to modernise or improve their smartphones, and not be charged anything for the service.
But even back in the early days, we had "ROM Kitchens" where anyone could cook up a Windows Mobile ROM with features they wanted, and they then posted their ROMs on XDA. Each was customised to how they wanted.
Nowadays, it's just down to the sheer number of Android users, that we're seeing this explosion of ROMs.
All I can suggest is you only use the ones you are interested in, and simply not use or look at the others. At the end of the day, they are doing no harm. if they are (for example bricking devices), then we will intervene.
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Not to be wrong understood, I don't say that everybody is like this. There are of course great people around here. And of course I agree, it's at the end everybody's decision, with whom to bake the cake