Develop Bugs

Tidying-up/over-hauling the stickies etc

Over the next few days, I'm going to do a bit of tidying up in the various Defy sections.
The first part of that involves a new sticky in each section clearly stating what that section is for, what threads are or are not appropriate (ie no questions in the Dev section).
Hopefully this'll help cut down on the number of threads that need moving.
The proposed second part I would like some feedback on...
The act of stickying certain threads/guides/etc I've always found a little hit-and-miss and can inadvertently lead to unintended favouritism, not to mention you can eventually end up with a ridiculous number of threads stickied.
So the idea I had was that in the General and Dev sections (the two that currently have stickied threads), those threads would be un-stickied and replaced with a roll-up thread - kinda like this except there would be no other threads stickied along with it (other than the one mentioned in the first part that would explain the purpose of the section).
It's just a way of trying to keep the section as tidy as possible, though it's not the messiest, which is why I'm not 100% set on going ahead and would prefer to hear what people think.

A little clean up is a good idea.
I'm for a main roll-up thread in every section, that way the useful guides/infos will be easier to find/edit.
Trimis de pe Defy CM9

Hate when i see questions and request in dev section!
Do something!!!
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nogoodusername said:
Do something!!!
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What do you suggest?

Seems good. I myself have two popular guides in the general section you can't have missed (soft-sim unlock and double boot). How will the roll-up thread work exactly?
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nogoodusername said:
Hate when i see questions and request in dev section!
Do something!!!
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Best thing for now is to report the thread for maintance/moving that's what i have been doing with the dev section
Thanks again Step666 for cleaning up the ones i reported...... +1 on the rollup thread thread it makes things a lot easier for new users as they can find everything in one thread.

support the idea fully (both), but have to ask for something: to always keep that one stickied thread up-to-date, otherwise it has no sense. and the thread you linked didnt mention the 'all-in-one defy beginners guide' which i find very useful for everybody, so i think that should be involved too. and thanks for looking after the defy section, it did get quite messy over the last few weeks, months.
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Step666 said:
What do you suggest?
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Hmm...
What should we do?
I don't know?
Why do they post a que in dev section!
Maybe put up azrionach's(from xdatv) video about noobs on 1st page?
All I want is Dev Section to be clean
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Kayant said:
Best thing for now is to report the thread for maintance/moving that's what i have been doing with the dev section
Thanks again Step666 for cleaning up the ones i reported...... +1 on the rollup thread thread it makes things a lot easier for new users as they can find everything in one thread.
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I do nearly every day!!
Yesterday i reported 3 maybe!
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Is it possible to have two xda members governing one same thread? It would be best to keep a thread up to date if two people where allowed to edit the OP. Could it be possible?
CM7 + CM9 double boot

crakeron said:
Seems good. I myself have two popular guides in the general section you can't have missed (soft-sim unlock and double boot). How will the roll-up thread work exactly?
CM7 + CM9 double boot
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It would list all the current guides that are to be found in our Defy forums at the moment
Voted for the roll-up thread. What suggestions could we have about it? Like, which threads should be included?

I hate it when someone quotes the OP's post after 20-30 pages only to ask a question whose answer was in the previously 20-30 unread pages. Also, when someone quotes a really LONG post only to add a short answer/joke/offtopic question or a smiley and an encouragement.
Trimis de pe Defy CM9

crakeron said:
How will the roll-up thread work exactly?
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Similar to the one I linked-to, with a series of links to useful guides etc - except I'd probably go a step further and include a short description of what each thread contained.
There'd be one in this section and one in the Dev section.
zakoo2 said:
but have to ask for something: to always keep that one stickied thread up-to-date, otherwise it has no sense.
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I agree.
And that's where I'd need your help - whilst I own a Defy my primary handset now is my Galaxy Nexus, so I'm just not as clued up on things here as the rest of you.
So whilst I'd do my best to keep it updated, if there was a thread you felt was missing from the roll-up, then you'd be best to PM me and I could add it.
nogoodusername said:
Hmm...
What should we do?
I don't know?
Why do they post a que in dev section!
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Unfortunately, there's no way to force people to pay attention/follow the rules/behave like vaguely-competent individuals.
So all we can do is react to people who have posted in the wrong section.
crakeron said:
Is it possible to have two xda members governing one same thread? It would be best to keep a thread up to date if two people where allowed to edit the OP. Could it be possible?
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No, unfortunately the forum software doesn't allow for that.
I guess an alternative would be to have the 'roll-up' lists in the Defy Wiki where anyone can edit them and I would just have a link to them from the one sticky in each section.
niksy+ said:
It would list all the current guides that are to be found in our Defy forums at the moment
Voted for the roll-up thread. What suggestions could we have about it? Like, which threads should be included?
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Yeah, sure - that's exactly the sort of feedback that I'd want/need.
vap_66 said:
I hate it when someone quotes the OP's post after 20-30 pages only to ask a question whose answer was in the previously 20-30 unread pages. Also, when someone quotes a really LONG post only to add a short answer/joke/offtopic question or a smiley and an encouragement.
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Report them.

Step666 said:
Report them.
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Report them for what?
What category?
Haha now ull get more reports from me!!!
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nogoodusername said:
Report them for what?
What category?
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Doesn't really matter.
You can PM me directly if you prefer.
The important thing is if you see something wrong, you bring it to my attention...
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Haha now ull get more reports from me!!!
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Bring it on!
Seriously though, I really appreciate the work you all do reporting threads.
I couldn't do what I need to without all your help.

Step666 said:
Doesn't really matter.
You can PM me directly if you prefer.
The important thing is if you see something wrong, you bring it to my attention...
Bring it on!
Seriously though, I really appreciate the work you all do reporting threads.
I couldn't do what I need to without all your help.
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Ohk... just wanna keep defy forum clean! Thats all...
Bless u!
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[important] [cm9] request fix

I have alpha0 cm9 band id like to know if there are anni updatate with camera and youtube fix. There are a lot of bug (something apps crash, but isnt a most big problem). Can anyone tell me and post a link with the last update? I love this ROM!
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Dude, you are awesome... my hero (facepalm)
...tread reported

Why?
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read rules before posting

I have posted in dev section, where is the corret section?
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Can i delete or move this thread in correct section?
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There's no need. You may as well delete it. First off, most likely you won't get a reply because currently alpha0 is the latest version. Next, you've listed problems that developer is fully aware of and is working to fix them. Patience is needed. alpha1 is out on Saturday. You should pay attention to the forum posts for CM9.

In addition: questions DO NOT go in dev! ESPECIALLY not as their own thread. Please post in General from now on!

From the thread rules forum, second sticky down from the top (unbelievable that people miss this stuff )
[25/7/11] Updated Rules Of The Development Section **Please Read, Then Read Again**
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I'll get straight to the point....
Despite stickys and forum announcements most of us are still finding ourselves becoming terribly, terribly vexed at the amount of [Q]'s cluttering the dev section...​
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conantroutman said:
The Dev section is NOT for asking questions.....
The Dev section is NOT for general topics..........
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conantroutman said:
Basically, unless your thread is to actually release something or discuss something of a very technical and n00b unfriendly nature, it doesnt belong here!
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conantroutman said:
Post What Where:
Rom Development - only meant for very advanced technical discussion directly related to ROM development activity and the delivery of actual ROMs and ROM components ONLY. Nothing else goes in here.
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conantroutman said:
MOD EDIT: BEFORE POSTING ANY THREAD IN THE DEVELOPMENT SECTION, PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING:
If you have developed a ROM, or are working with others to do so, the development forum is somewhere to discuss and share ideas, post useful feedback and logs or crash dumps, and to discuss a common goal developers are trying to achieve.
It is NOT the place to post your question because it gets higher traffic, or because more experienced users frequent it. Doing this just annoys those who are working on the device, and drives them away. Developers don't want to wade through 20 threads of "Help me urgently" to find their threads for porting and fixing camera issues etc. Similarly, if a thread is designated as discussion for developers say, porting a camera fix, please do not post in there asking "When will it be ready?", "Can I flash this yet?" etc. This is both completely disrespectful to those working on the project (you evidently haven't read the important posts in the thread), and also is making it harder for developers to find comments from other developers or testers when required.
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conantroutman said:
If you are posting in development, you should have read every sticky and notice there, and should be actively developing or helping in the development of something. Developing isn't installing a ROM, or using a tweak, it's creating a ROM or other hack or tweak.
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conantroutman said:
If you make a clear, concise, yet detailed post, you will find help forthcoming, and should get the problem sorted very quickly. If someone suggests you try something, report back on what happened, did it work etc. Then, next time someone has this issue and searches, they will find this and have a verified and tested solution.
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And finally, the most important line:
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So remember... before you start a thread in development, ask yourself what you are developing. If you can't answer, then stop, step away from the post button, and think about where you are posting. Would it be better in General or Q&A, or is some more time with your best friend, search, required?
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Sorry for breaking the rules myself in posting this.
Mod, please delete the thread already.

kalaker said:
In addition: questions DO NOT go in dev! ESPECIALLY not as their own thread. Please post in General from now on!
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Dude,
don't encourage him to post in General section...seems he's gonna SPAM the thread. i am so tired of such ppl...

new update CMW update.zip versio

Hey Guys,
are there any plans by XDA faithful developers to import the new AT&T update (7/10/2012) as a cmw flashable zip?
since those of us who rooted and have CMW installed cannot update, it will fail.
we need to either flash new stock recovery to do it. wecan either reflash root66 to get stock recovery back, use voodoo ota root keeper and do the ota update. or if someone make the update into a cwm flashable zip and you can just flash that in cwm.
anyone knows of such plans?
thank you.

This is not development. Why did you post this here? Reporting this to moderators. You should've posted this in the "General" or "Q & A" sections.

task650 said:
This is not development. Why did you post this here? Reporting this to moderators. You should've posted this in the "General" or "Q & A" sections.
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Like me i can't see other forums on my phone
In GS3 section only developer forum. Im missing something?
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task650 said:
This is not development. Why did you post this here? Reporting this to moderators. You should've posted this in the "General" or "Q & A" sections.
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feel free to report to god him self.
instead of being a smart a$$ simply write this is not right forum and i will be more then happy to delete the post and post in the appropriate location.
apologize for not knowing the A and B's of posting a question.
that being said, since the needed modification is done by developers rather then a generalist, and in fact one developer is needed to create such an update.zip file, adding to the fact not all sub forums are shown it was posted here.
if it hurt u so much, please accept my apology, i do not understand how a threat of "i am reporting you" should scare me... not sure...
that being said, i have reposted this in the Q&A section.

Try the search function. If you did you would see there is one in general.
I would give link but I don't spoon feed lazy people information.
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Get pissy all you want, but there are stickies in each section that describe where what kinds of posts go where.
Yours is in the wrong place. Again. You need to stop, read the FAQ and rules, and think before posting. You now have 2 threads started in Development that are going to be locked. We're not being asses, there's already enough clutter to sort through without stuff like this in Development.

norbarb said:
Like me i can't see other forums on my phone
In GS3 section only developer forum. Im missing something?
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Log out then log back in and they should all appear for you.

Forum police is strong in this thread.
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works
neubauej said:
Log out then log back in and they should all appear for you.
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it works...thanks..

m.a.s.e said:
feel free to report to god him self.
instead of being a smart a$$ simply write this is not right forum and i will be more then happy to delete the post and post in the appropriate location.
apologize for not knowing the A and B's of posting a question.
that being said, since the needed modification is done by developers rather then a generalist, and in fact one developer is needed to create such an update.zip file, adding to the fact not all sub forums are shown it was posted here.
if it hurt u so much, please accept my apology, i do not understand how a threat of "i am reporting you" should scare me... not sure...
that being said, i have reposted this in the Q&A section.
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Lol. I'm sorry but I can't help the fact that you are so emotionally unstable enough to take my whole post out of context.
1) I made absolutely no smart ass remarks.
2) because something that needs to be done by a developer doesn't mean that the question about it belongs in the development section. Read the rules dude.
3) there was no threat of "I'm reporting you!" There was a statement that said I was reporting the post. That means I was reporting to move it to the correct forum. Get with it and actually read. Emotions do not belong here in a development forum.
4) because of you outburst for no reason at all its very clear that you don't belong here on xda. Grow up please. Thanks. Have a good day!

m.a.s.e said:
feel free to report to god him self.
instead of being a smart a$$ simply write this is not right forum and i will be more then happy to delete the post and post in the appropriate location.
apologize for not knowing the A and B's of posting a question.
that being said, since the needed modification is done by developers rather then a generalist, and in fact one developer is needed to create such an update.zip file, adding to the fact not all sub forums are shown it was posted here.
if it hurt u so much, please accept my apology, i do not understand how a threat of "i am reporting you" should scare me... not sure...
that being said, i have reposted this in the Q&A section.
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Lol. I'm sorry but I can't help the fact that you are so emotionally unstable that you took my whole post out of context.
1) I made absolutely no smart ass remarks.
2) because something that needs to be done by a developer doesn't mean that the question about it belongs in the development section. Read the rules dude.
3) there was no threat of "I'm reporting you!" There was a statement that said I was reporting the post. That means I was reporting to move it to the correct forum. Get with it and actually read. Emotions do not belong here in a development forum.
4) because of your outburst for no reason at all its very clear that you don't belong here on xda. Grow up please. Thanks. Have a good day!

m.a.s.e said:
feel free to report to god him self.
instead of being a smart a$$ simply write this is not right forum and i will be more then happy to delete the post and post in the appropriate location.
apologize for not knowing the A and B's of posting a question.
that being said, since the needed modification is done by developers rather then a generalist, and in fact one developer is needed to create such an update.zip file, adding to the fact not all sub forums are shown it was posted here.
if it hurt u so much, please accept my apology, i do not understand how a threat of "i am reporting you" should scare me... not sure...
that being said, i have reposted this in the Q&A section.
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U better be skurd, the xda po po got a warrant for ur post deletion lol
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Cm10 stable on Sprint s3 signal problems!

I installed it on my brothers sprint version. Ever since he constantly has to reboot his phone for signal to retrieve 3g...at least 4 times a day. Any ideas?????

yes, it's because...
read the cm10 thread, post in the cm10 thread, and dont start threads like this in the dev forum. -_-

cnstarz said:
yes, it's because
read the cm10 thread. -_-
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Link didn't work..

wally3614 said:
Link didn't work..
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ah, sorry, here we go.
there is no link. read that post again.

cnstarz said:
ah, sorry, here we go.
there is no link. read that post again.
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Sorry I don't see where u r trying to send me. I search before posting and didn't see anything specific

damn it i don't know what to tell you.
try pressing alt+f4 to bring up search.

cnstarz said:
damn it i don't know what to tell you.
try pressing alt+f4 to bring up search.
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tehe

All these smart ass answers. Smh. n00bz. Anyway bro. Go to the CM10 thread or try the CM10 thread in Q&A.

I hope you were not directing any vs towards me?

wally3614 said:
God man, so annoying having smart asses like you jumping in to start something. Just stay out my question if you have nothing to offer, that is the entire point of asking for help. I have searched old posts and found a couple of people asking about signal issues, no real answer, so unless YOU r new to xda like I kinda am and do not notice thousands of posts in which sometimes it may not be as easy to find an answer someone else may have a lead on, just simply stop smiling at yourself about a chance to be a wanna be intellect.
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Hey hey hey, chill, he was referring to the other post besides yours. His post was the one post that was actually saying something constructive to help you.

boydefecto said:
Hey hey hey, chill, he was referring to the other post besides yours. His post was the one post that was actually saying something constructive to help you.
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Glad to hear that I formally apologize. It does get ridiculously aggressive here sometimes by NOT the mods but members.

.Bambino said:
All these smart ass answers. Smh. n00bz. Anyway bro. Go to the CM10 thread or try the CM10 thread in Q&A.
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I am sorry Bambino and thank you hope our relationship can be salvaged lol

wally3614 said:
I hope you were not directing any vs towards me?
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what hes trying to tell you is to ask that question in the cm10 thread located in this same section or ask it in in the Q&A section.
Threads started in this area are for devs to post ROM or Kernel info/download type stuff. There is your answer in short.

Please read forum rules before posting
Development is for developers only to post release threads
Questions go in Q&A
Thread moved
Friendly Neighborhood Moderator

Answer, switch from lte to preferred Wcdma no SIG lost since

Or just flash the APN fix in the CM10 forums...
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Visionikz03 said:
Or just flash the APN fix in the CM10 forums...
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Yeah if what I said doesn't work and you have tons of time to sift through it all and try and find it. Like I just did, search apn cm10 sprint and it is a spider web. Hopefully someone sees this that doesn't know to check it that is having the problem, and maybe this will work for them. If not then hey, gotta do...

Here's the link to the file. The flashable link went 404 for some reason but this is the same file that is flashed. Just follow instructions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=34981237
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problem making 10 posts...

hi
i am not a noob on android but yes as an user on XDA i try to make the 10 posts but each time i do the page send me the vulletin message...where are the places where i can post??

danis1997 said:
hi
i am not a noob on android but yes as an user on XDA i try to make the 10 posts but each time i do the page send me the vulletin message...where are the places where i can post??
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You can only post in non development threads. Just help 10 people in the Q&A threads and you will be fine.

zelendel said:
You can only post in non development threads. Just help 10 people in the Q&A threads and you will be fine.
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thanks man i think i understand how to make them

i've posted 10... but still can't post on developement

LubY1978 said:
i've posted 10... but still can't post on developement
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Promotion may be delayed a bit. Be patient, this is to prevent spammers from making 10 quick posts and spamming all over the place

feyodo said:
I am new one here , I also want to make 10 posts ,but it is so slowly , I have a lot of problems to be solved ，Butd it is need so me time
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Not being able to post is a good time to use the search button. Wont it be awesome to say "I found the answer myself!" ?
A tip : I find the xda app search to k8nd of suck (sorry guys its true) so either use "web view" or what I do isvuse google and put xda as a constant key word.
The thing is, a lot of times everything is found in your devices q&a section. And you dont need to havev10 posts for that.
Also most device forums tell you "all q&a go in the q&a sub forum" as part of the devices forums rules.
Are you like me and love to help ?
(hey dont roll your eyes me! )
Why not hang out in q&a for a bit?
You can help other and ask all your questions!
Great way to build up your post count!

feyodo said:
I am new one here , I also want to make 10 posts ,but it is so slowly , I have a lot of problems to be solved ，Butd it is need so me time
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If you have problems and you need the help of others to solve them then more likely than not your question belongs in the Q&A forum for your device. If you want to answer questions then you can do that in the Q&A as well. Either way, you'll either not need 10 posts because you have nothing to post in a dev thread or you'll easily be able to manage 10 posts because you are a dev and find it easy to answer questions.

Be patient...make the posts on home/forum/general,android,Q&A.....you can't on any device on development forum

That is a good point it seems like every where I try to post is not aloud I don't wanna be intrusive on threads just need some help

You wont find any help posting questions in the development threads anyway. All you will get is a bunch of people telling to post in the Q&A section.

I wish there was an easier way myself. I have been coming here since 2010 to read and find answers, but when I recently had an issue I couldn't find discussed I found I couldn't post.
I ubder stand though.
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BradEK said:
I wish there was an easier way myself. I have been coming here since 2010 to read and find answers, but when I recently had an issue I couldn't find discussed I found I couldn't post.
I ubder stand though.
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Look through the q&a section and answer questions and help people. You've been around long enough to know stuff, it shouldn't be hard to put out some effort to help..

BradEK said:
I wish there was an easier way myself. I have been coming here since 2010 to read and find answers, but when I recently had an issue I couldn't find discussed I found I couldn't post.
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You've been a member of XDA for three years and this is the first part you've made! Hardly joining in with the community is it!
By now you should be an expert on your device, so get out there and HELP others in your device's forum with their problems. You'll easily get to 10 posts if you share some of your knowledge :banghead:

Man Man..we already have 2 threads with same meaning & different titles.
1st one -> Alternative to 10 post rule
2nd one -> 10 post RULE is it helpful or harmful - Closed
Now, this is created again. I think we must ask MOD to take necessary action.:angel:

SimonTS said:
You've been a member of XDA for three years and this is the first part you've made! Hardly joining in with the community is it!
By now you should be an expert on your device, so get out there and HELP others in your device's forum with their problems. You'll easily get to 10 posts if you share some of your knowledge :banghead:
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Well. I had an original Droid back then. I switched over to iOS for some time and now I'm back on Android.
With a Note 2, Nexus 7 and Galaxy Nexus all rooted and with alternate ROMs I have more reason to stick around now.
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zelendel said:
You wont find any help posting questions in the development threads anyway. All you will get is a bunch of people telling to post in the Q&A section.
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work for my 10 post, open my block..

I think this thread has served its purpose and is becoming a hub for new people to complete 10 posts. How about a lock?
A Hero Can Be Anyone.

the development section has the custom roms though which is the only way to get help on installation from the creators

crampedagain said:
the development section has the custom roms though which is the only way to get help on installation from the creators
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I don't know what you're talking about, the installation instructions are always in the first post..

crampedagain said:
the development section has the custom roms though which is the only way to get help on installation from the creators
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I don't know what you're talking about, the installation instructions are always in the first post..
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And even if they somehow aren't, there are numerous guides for flashing every device so you should never have to ask a question like that in the first place.