Once we have LTE properly activated in most areas, will we still face the delays in custom rom support and also android software update delays? My understanding is that our phones having wimax for 4g is a major reason why our phones are not supported or we start getting support much later then GSM phones.
I am asking here because lot of people here have awesome technical knowledge and they post detailed specs etc regarding phones, technologies etc. If it does not belong here, Moderators feel free to delete this thread.
It's not necessarily the 4G that's keeping us from having goodies. It's the CDMA (3g and 2g portion). Without these, the phone cannot function as a phone and that's why devs can simply drop 4g support when releasing major rom such as cm7. Once they get a stable base of everything working, then they can create their own 4g drivers to get 4g working. Many more can live without 4g than 3g.
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I'm sure a lot development will be cross compatible but as I've seen and experienced on multiple other phones, including the NS and N1, there are certain things that are unique to particular models aside from the radio. Any speculation as to which version of the GN will likely receive the most support?
I don't know the ratio of US based developers vs European developers generally is but it would seem that with Verizon being the only officially named carrier at this point in the US that most devs here will be working on that version while other areas that will have GSM launches will see dev work in that direction. I'm hoping the GSM version gets a quick carrier release in the US or at least a proper domestic retailer (importing is both expensive and warranty is either a hassle or strictly unsupported).
Just wondering if there are any opinions on this, especially from developers.
It will end up on every carrier eventually.
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There will most definitely be more support for the GSM version, as it will be sold in the USA and the rest of the world. The LTE version will only be sold on Verizon in the USA.
If the G2/Desire Z combination is any indication, having thousands more people outside the US with almost the same phone as the T-mobile G2 has brought huge amounts of development to the platform.
But overall, FWIW the phones will be pretty darn similar, and the only difference should be the network stack required for Verizon's LTE network to be added into custom ROMs. There will be plenty of people on VZW with the GN to develop ROMs. It might just take a little extra time because VZW's official updates will no doubt be slower coming out.
martonikaj said:
There will most definitely be more support for the GSM version, as it will be sold in the USA and the rest of the world. The LTE version will only be sold on Verizon in the USA.
If the G2/Desire Z combination is any indication, having thousands more people outside the US with almost the same phone as the T-mobile G2 has brought huge amounts of development to the platform.
But overall, FWIW the phones will be pretty darn similar, and the only difference should be the network stack required for Verizon's LTE network to be added into custom ROMs. There will be plenty of people on VZW with the GN to develop ROMs. It might just take a little extra time because VZW's official updates will no doubt be slower coming out.
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What he said
i'm sure the same ROM will work on both model as it's in Nexus S and Nexus S 4G
the DEVelopers just need to include the extra reference/drivers into their kernels and/or ROMs
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i'm sure the same ROM will work on both model as it's in Nexus S and Nexus S 4G
the DEVelopers just need to include the extra reference/drivers into their kernels and/or ROMs
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Or it could simply be an overlay setting when compiling. It's probably not that difficult and any decent roms will be based on source anyway.
I agree. ICS was intended to be platform independent. It'd be a large oversight if developers missed that.
It is possible that this cell can implement this technology?
thank you very much for responding!
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Hi Jlaeo
same here...
Im a new member as you
The 4G technology is implemented in a labeled smartphone that includes the feature...
For example:
Moto Photon 4G
Sam Epic 4G; and
HTC Thunderbolt 4G
The new thing allows to download in a very high speed
that's the special thing of 4G
and it's signal just available in some areas that provides the service
so if YOUR area has no net. providers that provide the service, better not buy the 4G...
It's the newest technology and this cell is unable to implement the tech since it's not included in the brand new package offered by the manufacturer
even some new high-end devices don't include the thing...
i think those things above are enough to be considered a crystal clear explanation...
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Hi Jlaeo
same here...
Im a new member as you
The 4G technology is implemented in a labeled smartphone that includes the feature...
For example:
Moto Photon 4G
Sam Epic 4G; and
HTC Thunderbolt 4G
The new thing allows to download in a very high speed
that's the special thing of 4G
and it's signal just available in some areas that provides the service
so if YOUR area has no net. providers that provide the service, better not buy the 4G...
It's the newest technology and this cell is unable to implement the tech since it's not included in the brand new package offered by the manufacturer
even some new high-end devices don't include the thing...
i think those things above are enough to be considered a crystal clear explanation...
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Thank you very much for responding!
4G is in america only, if im not wrong. it is faster then normal 3G, and is a network based on LTE. search google for it if you need more info, but you need special made phones for it, special brands. HTC's are called 'provider' 'device name' '4G' etc..
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4G is in america only, if im not wrong. ...
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unfortunately, you are wrong. They're testing it even here, in Latvia. Why is it amazing you say? We have unstable financial situation here for the last couple of years, oh and not to mention that country as it is now exists for about 20 years. Not sure if that's a cheerful or a sad fact though. :/
as far as the topic goes: unless you manage to solder a 4g reciever onto your phone it's not possible.
There's 4G and 4G...
Some marketing idiots stateside decided that it was a smart idea to rebrand HSPA from 3G to 4G.
Engadget's pun for this is faux-G.
Then you've got WiMax and LTE, which are considered pre-4G technologies.
LTE-Advanced, not deployed anywhere yet, is considered 4G.
The Gio is 3G HSPA, 7 Mbps. Depending on the network HSPA can go up to 21, and dual channel HSPA 42 Mbps.
Just rooted and flashed cm9 for the first time on my t-mo galaxy sII. Working on restoring apps now through titanium, for what ever reason it is only 3G connection now where it always said 4G previously... any idea why or how to fix?
Two things I noticed. I think the original rom reported 3g as 4g so make sure you actually had 4g originally, but you may want to try another radio. Helped me
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Just rooted and flashed cm9 for the first time on my t-mo galaxy sII. Working on restoring apps now through titanium, for what ever reason it is only 3G connection now where it always said 4G previously... any idea why or how to fix?
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As long as you are seeing it switch from 3g to "H", you are getting "4g". CM9's icon is not 4g, it is an h.
Did you try a speed test to see if you are still getting "4g" speeds?
H is 4G on CM9
I've noticed the same thing. Where mine used to say 4G (at work), it now says 3G. However, I'm still getting similar speeds via speedtest so it doesn't really matter what it says to me. However, I still may try a different radio.
Update: I don't know much about it and not sure where the settings are for this, but it appears to be a governing feature with CM9. Meaning that if your phone is just sitting idle it'll catch a 3G signal and when you do a speed test, hop on the browser, download something, etc it then kicks into H/4G.
Just to clarify a lil. Technically tmo doesn't have 4g they have hspa+ 42Mbs.They call it 4g and i have found it offten times to be as fast but it is technically not 4g. CM9 being proper folks and all, call it how it is, hence the H icon.
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Just to clarify a lil. Technically tmo doesn't have 4g they have hspa+ 42Mbs.They call it 4g and i have found it offten times to be as fast but it is technically not 4g. CM9 being proper folks and all, call it how it is, hence the H icon.
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Sorry man. But your facts are quite out dated. Back in December it was decided that even though hspa +, LTE, and wi Max have not reached the 100 mbs needed to be 4g they are all now officially accepted as 4g.
Funny everyone makes this comment because all T -mobile did was upgrade the existing network .. yet no one mentions the others.. they also do not meet the minimum requirements to be 4G.. well up till December that is..
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Sorry man. But your facts are quite out dated. Back in December it was decided that even though hspa +, LTE, and wi Max have not reached the 100 mbs needed to be 4g they are all now officially accepted as 4g.
Funny everyone makes this comment because all T -mobile did was upgrade the existing network .. yet no one mentions the others.. they also do not meet the minimum requirements to be 4G.. well up till December that is..
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Well thats good to know, however apparently cyanogen decided to make the distinction between hspa+ and lte, and so i thought I would clarify why there is an H instead of 4G icon.
And upon further research the standard specifies 1 Gbit speeds for pedestrian and stationary devices. Furthermore I dont see any evidence that the definition for the standard was changed simply that the sanctioning body decided to call lte nd wimax 4g because they represented significant improvements on the 3g technologies.
Im in no way knocking tmo for there choice and actually think it makes more sense to fully exploit current technologies rather then investing in new one. An attitude like thats keeps the cost to the consumer lower while still providing a comparable product.
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Here you go.
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/12/hspa-now-officially-4g-according-to-itu/
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Here you go.
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/12/hspa-now-officially-4g-according-to-itu/
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Im sorry I dont see where it is stated that HSPA+ is 4G, In this qoute from the ITU.
Following a detailed evaluation against stringent technical and operational criteria, ITU has determined that “LTE-Advanced” and “WirelessMAN-Advanced” should be accorded the official designation of IMT-Advanced. As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as “4G”, although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed. The detailed specifications of the IMT-Advanced technologies will be provided in a new ITU-R Recommendation expected in early 2012.
I do see where it call's LTE and WiMax 4G though.
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Im sorry I dont see where it is stated that HSPA+ is 4G, In this qoute from the ITU.
Following a detailed evaluation against stringent technical and operational criteria, ITU has determined that “LTE-Advanced” and “WirelessMAN-Advanced” should be accorded the official designation of IMT-Advanced. As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as “4G”, although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed. The detailed specifications of the IMT-Advanced technologies will be provided in a new ITU-R Recommendation expected in early 2012.
I do see where it call's LTE and WiMax 4G though.
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Though is does not particularly say hspa + the network falls under an evolved 3G network.
This will be my last post on the subject I promise
But I think that
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Though is does not particularly say hspa + the network falls under an evolved 3G network.
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is rather subjective. But we all get our own opinions. Mine would be that the technology is not particularly evolved, but rather refined allowing greater speed then previous "3G" technology.
In any event I believe we both agree that LTE, WiMax, and HSPA+ are more accurate terms then 4G which is simply used as a marketing tool for people less interested in the matter then most members of the XDA forums.
H means 4g. Who gives a **** if it is really 4g or not. If your phone said 4g with a TMO rom then you will see a H from a Cyanogenmod rom.
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First of all, check out this video right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h8MtU01JBc&feature=g-all-u
To sum it up, T-Mobile is rolling out 3G for iPhone users, which could previously only use edge.
Now as 99% of GSM users know, we can only use edge as of right now, just like the iPhone. Does this mean that we too will be able to get 3G?!
This is some pretty exciting news, hopefully some devs or people that are more knowledgeable about radios/antennas/data frequencies can elaborate more on whether or not this new 3G will be compatible with the Droid Inc 2.
Simple question..
I'm a bit confused about WiMax and whether or not it is (strictly) a cellular communications technology embedded in the Evo 4G, such as 3G and 4G Mobile Data Speeds, and how this relates to the Evo's normal wifi connection.
Is there any crossover between WiMax and WiFi?
Or is WiMax simply a mobile data technology not related to the onboard wifi network card?
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I think the wimax is part of the 4g service...
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WiMax is a type of 4G, with LTE being another type (of 4G)
And yes, neither of those have anything to do with the wifi and there is no crossover involved
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CNexus said:
WiMax is a type of 4G, with LTE being another type (of 4G)
And yes, neither of those have anything to do with the wifi and there is no crossover involved
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^This. Older Sprint phones like the EVO 4G, EVO 3D and Samsung Galaxy S2 E4GT (among others) use Wimax, which was Sprint's original offering for 4G service. Sprint has since gone to LTE (Long Term Evolution) for their 4G service, although Wimax still works in areas where it's already active. Phones on Sprint utilizing LTE include the EVO 4G LTE and Samsung Galaxy S3. Wifi has nothing to do with either Wimax or LTE, as previously stated. A Wimax-enabled phone cannot utilize LTE, and vice-versa, as they are two completely different 4G standards and operate on different frequencies.
The advice is free....the bandwidth, not so much
It really grinds my gears that there aren't new phones available supporting either Wimax or LTE or Wimax AND LTE. I am stuck in Ohio where the Wimax roll out was thorough, and now there is no info on if/when LTE will come here. Eventually people in ohio will all have upgraded to LTE phones due to attrition and we are paying for data plans that we can't take advantage of. I really want a new phone, maybe the new One that is coming out soon, but the drawback is no 4G in Ohio. Sprint really dropped the ball on this one. I'd take a phone that was a little thicker so they could fit both chipsets in there no questions asked.
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It really grinds my gears that there aren't new phones available supporting either Wimax or LTE or Wimax AND LTE. I am stuck in Ohio where the Wimax roll out was thorough, and now there is no info on if/when LTE will come here. Eventually people in ohio will all have upgraded to LTE phones due to attrition and we are paying for data plans that we can't take advantage of. I really want a new phone, maybe the new One that is coming out soon, but the drawback is no 4G in Ohio. Sprint really dropped the ball on this one. I'd take a phone that was a little thicker so they could fit both chipsets in there no questions asked.
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Thats very true. I think it proabably has to do with the extra work of getting the two to play nice while both being available in one phone, and the extra drivers and hardware required to have both
Definitely what you said though, I'd have no problem with a bit thicker phone that features both but since other competitors are moving towards slimmer and sleeker phones, while at the same time having monstrously powerful processors, it probably wouldnt be a smart move on Sprint part
I was trolling the new HTC One forum yesterday, and did notice that the One might be coming with an LTE radio supporting 800mhz and 1900mhz. This is promising as I believe the 800mhz is what sprint rus the Direct Connect system on. That system is avail in my area so maybe they will use it for LTE? #wantLTE
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2158662
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I was trolling the new HTC One forum yesterday, and did notice that the One might be coming with an LTE radio supporting 800mhz and 1900mhz. This is promising as I believe the 800mhz is what sprint rus the Direct Connect system on. That system is avail in my area so maybe they will use it for LTE? #wantLTE
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2158662
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I remember hearing or reading something sometime back from sprint that eventually they were going to convert the old Nextel iden network over to 4g lte because of the bandwidth it runs on. I also remember that person telling me that this new lte on this frequency would penatrate 2-3x better meaning better 4g lte signals indoors. It may have been a sprint tech who told me on one of the many phone calls I have made to them over the years.
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Everything you say is true, just replace the word "bandwidth" with "spectrum". iDen was using lower frequencies which penetrate better. You get slightly lower theoretical max speeds, but the connection is more reliable, and people generally agree that's what's important.
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