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TP2 vs iPhone

Is there any reason to stick with this phone?
I just picked up the AT&T Tilt2 from LetsTalk.com for free and I still feel like I got ripped off.
I've used WinMo since the days of the Velo and upgraded from the Tilt to the Tilt2 and I think I'm sick of Windows Mobile trying to figure out what it wants to be. Since the Tilt they took away the dedicated camera button and the option to use led notifications. I wanted to try another ROM this weekend but I can't Hard-SPL. Won't work for nothing.
As per iPhone vs this thing.
Phone comes is no storage space.
(I need to pick up a 16gig card for $40. iPhone comes with 32gig in this price point.)
The phone starts at 85% and I can't run more than one app.
(I killed TF3d push and the proxy to get back some ram)
I can't hear the other person. The earpiece is totally muffled.
(Will probably need to replace phone.)
Caller shows as "unknown" during call.
HTC notification stops working and I get the WinMo bubble so I have to reset.
Browsers suck. Apps suck. Marketplace sucks and I think installs to device memory only.
Did I miss anything?

I just picked up the AT&T Tilt2 from LetsTalk.com for free and I still feel like I got ripped off.
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Your an idiot if you think you got ripped off.
I've used WinMo since the days of the Velo and upgraded from the Tilt to the Tilt2 and I think I'm sick of Windows Mobile trying to figure out what it wants to be. Since the Tilt they took away the dedicated camera button and the option to use led notifications. I wanted to try another ROM this weekend but I can't Hard-SPL. Won't work for nothing.
As per iPhone vs this thing.
Phone comes is no storage space.
(I need to pick up a 16gig card for $40. iPhone comes with 32gig in this price point.)
^
You going to be transferring movies or songs with your 32gig iPhone? Only place your going to watch them is on the phone. Look at it another way you now cant have removable storage if you get an iPhone.
The phone starts at 85% and I can't run more than one app.
(I killed TF3d push and the proxy to get back some ram)
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Don't know what you talking about I have more then 50% of my ram left and I am using a stock rom.
I can't hear the other person. The earpiece is totally muffled.
(Will probably need to replace phone.)
^
No problems with this either get an exchange.
Caller shows as "unknown" during call.
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Also not a problem get an exchange.
Browsers suck. Apps suck. Marketplace sucks and I think installs to device memory only.
^
I personally like this browser over the iPhone, the pinch feature is nice but we have a zoom bar. Get at&t in the Chicago land area and you will see how much at&t's net work really sucks.
Did I miss anything?
^
Yes you missed becoming a gay apple follower when you buy your iPhone.

superrrguy said:
I just picked up the AT&T Tilt2 from LetsTalk.com for free and I still feel like I got ripped off.
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So stop whining and turn it in for an iPhone. Would you like us to convince you to keep the TP2?

superrrguy said:
I'm sick of Windows Mobile trying to figure out what it wants to be.
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Well the iPhone will be better for you then, since Apple knows exactly what they want you to do with their phone, whether you like their decisions or not.

But I don't want to be a gay apple follower. I don't own anything Apple and don't want to start buying all new power cords because they likes to rape their customers.
Help me keep this phone. Why won't it work! My Toshiba e800 still works. This phone is driving me nuts!
Have you guys seen how Google Reader works on the iPhone and even Android?

What is the point of these threads? You obviously were destined to hate the TP2 because you think the iPhone does everything perfectly. 85% RAM on bootup? Thats a lie. So are all your other problems. Just return it, get an iPhone, and go away.

FYI this board is anything but friendly.......so is the whole internet......actualy the whole human race is stroking it epeen to much to care about anyone elses issues.

superrrguy said:
I can't hear the other person. The earpiece is totally muffled.
(Will probably need to replace phone.)
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I did exchange my phone in store, ... 2 times. Same thing.
Some improvement noted after changing "Treble Level" to "
Very High" in the "HTC Audio Booster" Section of Advanced Configuration Tool v3.3

I wasn't destined to hate this phone.
This is probably the best design on the market right now. Hardware wise this things blows away the iPhone except for the storage. This thing is pretty slick but I'm having problems using the device and you guys are getting all defensive.
I made an educated decision and chose this phone but I'm having a whole bunch of problems which I guess no one else is and this phone just doesn't feel up to the competition. Even Android does more than this thing.

All your complaints have easy solutions for anyone willing to put in even a small amount of effort into searching for and applying tweaks and/or adjustments. If you're not willing to do that then you belong in apple zombieland.
Nothing against the iPhone (I actually own a 32gb iPhone 3GS), it's just some people need to stick to something that works a specific way with little to no need of intelligence to get it working right. Sounds like your there target customer. No offense intended.

nemets said:
I did exchange my phone in store, ... 2 times. Same thing.
Some improvement noted after changing "Treble Level" to "
Very High" in the "HTC Audio Booster" Section of Advanced Configuration Tool v3.3
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Thanks. Trying that.

dude keep the tilt 2, take it from me. I have been using WinMo since the Hermes, had the tilt before this, then I used my upgrade and decided to try out the iPhone. I picked up the iPhone 32 GB 3GS, a case, and a car charger.
After using the iPhone for less than a day, it was very obvious that it needed to be jailbroken in order to have some features that I have become accustomed to. So I jailbroke it, downloaded Cydia (which is the 'underground' app store for jailbroken phones), and tried to make it work. Long story short, I had it for 10 days before I needed to come back to WinMo. Apple has iPhone users by the nuts, and because of that the phone is extremely restrictive. Basic features like changing the background, or being able to have more than 1 (can still only have 2 max) app open. Not to mention Safari does not and will most likely not ever support Flash. There aren't any browsers that do, and there's 1 app that supports a hand full of sites. Not yet break, and other popular ones.
Jailbreaking and apple is like cat and mouse. They release firmware updates regularly and it usually take several weeks (give or take) until somebody creates a jailbreaking app. For those weeks you would be forced to live without your needed apps......unless you hold off on the update. But the thing with holding off is their last few big updates came with features that I've had for YEARS. Example: PICTURE TEXTS!! MMS!! I mean come on, wtf is that?
The battery life was the deciding factor for me. My phone would have 100% charge around 2:00 AM when I would go to bed and by 8:30 AM it was down to 91'ish. Throughout the day the battery would be extremely low and require a charge. To be honest with you the battery life is despicable. That thing needed to be charged more in 1 day than I would get in my tilt all weekend, I kid you not. It's that bad. Even my die hard iPhone friends always ***** about how crappy the battery life is.
I would say hang on to the tilt 2 for a little bit longer. I'm really diggin the Touch FLO 3D interface. I never really ran it on my tilt because it was always a little laggy, but it's smooth like butter right out of the box. I want to hold off flashing ROM's for a while but I know it's only a matter of time. There's a lot of good ones out there, make sure to check them out. If you are having trouble Hard SPL'ing I'm sure if you ask on the forum, it will get answered.
The iPhone was too restrictive for me, and trust me I really tried to like it. I wanted to like it so bad. I was sick of the Tilt. It was laggy, and ever since ROMeOS (monx) left the Kaiser ROM cooking for rhodium I couldn't find a ROM that I really liked. I am looking forward to flashing one of his roms on this phone, but to be honest I'm going to hold off because it's running extremely smooth. I use IE, Opera, and SkyFire. There's a handful of other ones you can try too.
That's my 2 cents

MineralGray02K said:
dude keep the tilt 2, take it from me. I have been using WinMo since the Hermes, had the tilt before this, then I used my upgrade and decided to try out the iPhone. I picked up the iPhone 32 GB 3GS, a case, and a car charger.
After using the iPhone for less than a day, it was very obvious that it needed to be jailbroken in order to have some features that I have become accustomed to. So I jailbroke it, downloaded Cydia (which is the 'underground' app store for jailbroken phones), and tried to make it work. Long story short, I had it for 10 days before I needed to come back to WinMo. Apple has iPhone users by the nuts, and because of that the phone is extremely restrictive. Basic features like changing the background, or being able to have more than 1 (can still only have 2 max) app open. Not to mention Safari does not and will most likely not ever support Flash. There aren't any browsers that do, and there's 1 app that supports a hand full of sites. Not yet break, and other popular ones.
Jailbreaking and apple is like cat and mouse. They release firmware updates regularly and it usually take several weeks (give or take) until somebody creates a jailbreaking app. For those weeks you would be forced to live without your needed apps......unless you hold off on the update. But the thing with holding off is their last few big updates came with features that I've had for YEARS. Example: PICTURE TEXTS!! MMS!! I mean come on, wtf is that?
The battery life was the deciding factor for me. My phone would have 100% charge around 2:00 AM when I would go to bed and by 8:30 AM it was down to 91'ish. Throughout the day the battery would be extremely low and require a charge. To be honest with you the battery life is despicable. That thing needed to be charged more in 1 day than I would get in my tilt all weekend, I kid you not. It's that bad. Even my die hard iPhone friends always ***** about how crappy the battery life is.
I would say hang on to the tilt 2 for a little bit longer. I'm really diggin the Touch FLO 3D interface. I never really ran it on my tilt because it was always a little laggy, but it's smooth like butter right out of the box. I want to hold off flashing ROM's for a while but I know it's only a matter of time. There's a lot of good ones out there, make sure to check them out. If you are having trouble Hard SPL'ing I'm sure if you ask on the forum, it will get answered.
The iPhone was too restrictive for me, and trust me I really tried to like it. I wanted to like it so bad. I was sick of the Tilt. It was laggy, and ever since ROMeOS (monx) left the Kaiser ROM cooking for rhodium I couldn't find a ROM that I really liked. I am looking forward to flashing one of his roms on this phone, but to be honest I'm going to hold off because it's running extremely smooth. I use IE, Opera, and SkyFire. There's a handful of other ones you can try too.
That's my 2 cents
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I have both phones - iPhone 3GS & the Tilt2 (& others). Totally agree with you on the restrictions and the suffocation I feel every time I use the iPhone. But again, it is for a certain market/usage scenario. Nothing against that..
But the battery life is definitely not as bad as you saw. Before iPhone OS 3.0, battery life sucked (I stayed back on a very old 2.x version). To stretch battery, I kept all radios (Wifi, 3G, etc) on manual control and switched them on as necessary. Things are definitely better with 3.0 - all the radios are on Auto now. I dread going to 3.1 or 3.2. I'm staying put for some time now..
I love WM and was waiting for the Tilt2 (My first PPC, touchscreen/keypad device). Google's lack of love for WM saddens me, but hey, there's always another way - thats what makes WM special..
Interestingly, I'm (sorta) having a battery problem with the Tilt2 on Stock ROM. Battery full charge lasts me 1.5 to 1.75 days max. I want to get atleast 2 full days on the fresh/brand new battery. I'm playing with the settings in the Advanced config & Touch Diamond2 apps this weekend to see if I can improve on the battery life. Again, not a biggie as I can always get a second battery with it's own charger. I'm still in the "optimizing" mode. And there is always the path blazed out by our esteemed cooks.. ^hat tip..
superrrguy, WM takes time, but hey you can get what you want.. iPhone (even with the app store or jail break, etc) is what Steve wants for you. Again, not a bad thing. You need to decide whats your thing..

nemets said:
I did exchange my phone in store, ... 2 times. Same thing.
Some improvement noted after changing "Treble Level" to "
Very High" in the "HTC Audio Booster" Section of Advanced Configuration Tool v3.3
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Same here. There's no fix for that on Tilt 2 yet. (only Touch Pro unlocked ver, which doesn't seem to work for Tilt 2). Also the "unknown caller" issue has no fix either yet. The stock browsers are pretty bad too. Using Opera Mini, Skyfire or flashing a new ROM will solve. It takes a little patience working with Tilt2 but is worth it. Still love it

I knew it................
Oh no!!!
I thought that Rhodium section will be saved form iphoney vs....
But no
Why everybody has to compare all
Thread number 54 about comparing iphoney

Do an exchange, then...
Look in this Forum for ideas about tweeking your Tilt 2 to function as you like. Start by getting rid of all the AT&T Crapware - it does kill the memory. I've killed about 60% of it, and now I have 35% available when up and running, which sounds aweful, but this phone does more with that than any WinMo phone I've had since the MPx200! It flies!
All the other issues are either faulty hardware or easily tweeked - look in the forums and you'll find the fix to your issues.
You won't be able to change ANYTHING you like on the iPhone, so don't switch unless it's Nirvana to you, or you are willing to give Apple total control over your phone. Your choice, but either way, please, less winging and more action, many others have made the same helpful suggestions yet you persist in crying over the same issues that you could have fixed yourself by now. If you're a noob, then welcome, but please say so, so we can offer more basic advice.
Either way, good luck, everyone deserves a good phone that they like!
MadSci

MadSci said:
Look in this Forum for ideas about tweeking your Tilt 2 to function as you like. Start by getting rid of all the AT&T Crapware - it does kill the memory. I've killed about 60% of it, and now I have 35% available when up and running, which sounds aweful, but this phone does more with that than any WinMo phone I've had since the MPx200! It flies!
All the other issues are either faulty hardware or easily tweeked - look in the forums and you'll find the fix to your issues.
You won't be able to change ANYTHING you like on the iPhone, so don't switch unless it's Nirvana to you, or you are willing to give Apple total control over your phone. Your choice, but either way, please, less winging and more action, many others have made the same helpful suggestions yet you persist in crying over the same issues that you could have fixed yourself by now. If you're a noob, then welcome, but please say so, so we can offer more basic advice.
Either way, good luck, everyone deserves a good phone that they like!
MadSci
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35%? with touch flo 3d?
im using miri's 6.5 manilla 2.1 rom and its 65% when no program is running -____-

I think one of the problems of built-in memory is if the phone needs servicing for some reason and the phone cannot be turned on and you cannot delete the personal data of the phone, then you risk the data will go to the wrong hand.
For TP2, I would simply take out the SD card before I would send the phone to any service centre.

The Tilt2 is a powerhouse workhorse for the business oriented consumer. The iPhone is a toy. Do you want to be associated with all those teens at the local mall carrying around iPhones? I tried out the iPhone. It is definitely fun for the games but I was not able to be productive on it. When I exchanged it for the Tilt2, the AT&T clerk could not understand why I would want to trade in my iPhone for the Tilt2. The Tilt2 is NOT for the average consumer. You have to tweak it to get it to work to your liking.

jopherr said:
35%? with touch flo 3d?
im using miri's 6.5 manilla 2.1 rom and its 65% when no program is running -____-
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He said 35% AVAILABLE. So that means he is at 65% memory usage.
About the earpiece sound quality issue, mine sounds great (out of the box). So I suspect the OP has a defective unit.

Is anyone else getting bored with their Evo?

Maybe its just me... but I'm becoming quite bored with my Evo. It doesn't matter what ROM I'm using, I am just getting over Android. Sure it boots fast... but my battery won't last even a full day with heavy usage and its tedious changing them all the time, the touchscreen is way too sensitive at times, and since FroYo, I've had way too many freezes and reboots to count.
I'm honestly ready to jump on the Torch or just go back to using my Bold 2... I could pound the hell out of my Bold 2 and it would still last a day and a half minimum, I rarely, if ever, had it freeze, and it did most things I needed it to.
Am I missing something here? Because Android is turning out to be pretty boring. I hate the fact that I can't have a full desktop replacement like I could on Windows Mobile, I rather dislike having to select one e-mail at a time to delete it, and the customization is just not there...

you had me until you said you'd go back to blackberry.
Boring? Bb may be the most boring thing ever

But yeah maybe android isn't for you if you think you can do most things on your bb.
I like mine still and gingerbread will make it more interesting.
That said it gets stale at times but so did iphone os and web os
All things do. Bb got stale 5 years ago

I said I'd go back to Blackberry for stability purposes... not because its not boring. Plus I wouldn't have to buy another phone... I already own a Curve 8330 I can use on Sprint and my 9700 is on ATT.
Its either that or back to the Mogul or Touch Pro 2... I'd rather shoot myself.
I guess for me it would be more useful if I had a hardware keyboard...
EDIT: I guess I was expecting more... You know full flash is great and all... but without proper 3D acceleration it runs like ****. Same goes for the games on the Evo. 43FPS on Antigen? Are you kidding me? The Evo should absolutely SPANK that game...

Dude, if you like stability, unroot your phone and use stock 2.2. Stock = Stability. Period. Also, how does one get "bored" with a phone? As far as I'm concerned it's a tool you use to make calls, browse web, send texts, etc. Do you ever get "bored" with your laptop or your tv because it does what it's supposed to do? Please.

I hear you and don't totally disagree
Android platform is still young
Maybe windows phone 7 can bring something new along but I doubt our as they are blatantly copying iphone os 3
Its tough to keep pace nowadays with users demands for new stuff. I include myself as one of those users
As far as bb I was questioning why you'd buy the torch but if you are saying just a phone you already have that's a different story

zeuzinn said:
Dude, if you like stability, unroot your phone and use stock 2.2. Stock = Stability. Period. Also, how does one get "bored" with a phone? As far as I'm concerned it's a tool you use to make calls, browse web, send texts, etc. Do you ever get "bored" with your laptop or your tv because it does what it's supposed to do? Please.
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I do get bored with my TV thanks and my laptop and my desktop can both be upgraded to extend its capabilities. I run multiple operating systems on both machines.
And stock isn't stable. I've seen people ***** about stock just as much, if not more, than rooted. FroYo is just trash.

Jsimon9633 said:
I hear you and don't totally disagree
Android platform is still young
Maybe windows phone 7 can bring something new along but I doubt our as they are blatantly copying iphone os 3
Its tough to keep pace nowadays with users demands for new stuff. I include myself as one of those users
As far as bb I was questioning why you'd buy the torch but if you are saying just a phone you already have that's a different story
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I don't have high expectations for WP7. I would love to be proven wrong but I don't even enjoy that particular interface on my Zune...
The Torch is something new and it fixes the main *****es that I had about BlackBerry - boot times and the web browser. Plus ATT offered it to me for 214 even though I only became a customer in January.
On the same token though I think its absolutely appalling that RIM is using the same 624MHz processor that my Bold 2 has and the Bold before it did as well so that would definitely factor into my decision to most likely not purchase the device.

EtherealRemnant said:
I do get bored with my TV thanks and my laptop and my desktop can both be upgraded to extend its capabilities. I run multiple operating systems on both machines.
And stock isn't stable. I've seen people ***** about stock just as much, if not more, than rooted. FroYo is just trash.
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Lol I do get ya man I also get bored with my gadgets
Just a nature of the beast
I tried iphone 4 and was bored after a week
Android is new completely to me so I'm still having fun with roms and kernels, oh my
But I'm sure I'll get bored at some point I just hope gingerbread is out by then
I've not had stability issues though barring some mistakes I made as I learned how to properly flash roms

If I can hold on til Gingerbread (provided the Evo has the horsepower to run it considering it has no dedicated graphics processor and Gingerbread recommends it) I might be fine... I guess one of the biggest annoyances for me is the difficulty in finding apps. The Market is a huge mess. On my berry, I search appworld for a term and it searches the description as well plus gives me options to organize by price, popularity, reviews, etc... Unless I am blind, there is no way I can do this with the Market...

Market
EtherealRemnant said:
If I can hold on til Gingerbread (provided the Evo has the horsepower to run it considering it has no dedicated graphics processor and Gingerbread recommends it) I might be fine... I guess one of the biggest annoyances for me is the difficulty in finding apps. The Market is a huge mess. On my berry, I search appworld for a term and it searches the description as well plus gives me options to organize by price, popularity, reviews, etc... Unless I am blind, there is no way I can do this with the Market...
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The market definitely sucks
Have you tried app brain
It haas helped me find cool apps more than the market

App Brain?
No I haven't ever even heard of it.

I'm waiting for some real games to come to android too but I'm not that in need since I have my ipad for gaming not to mention my itouch
I do want facebook connected scrabble for android though and bejeweled blitz also with fb connect would alleviate these horrible games I see for android

EtherealRemnant said:
If I can hold on til Gingerbread (provided the Evo has the horsepower to run it considering it has no dedicated graphics processor and Gingerbread recommends it) I might be fine... I guess one of the biggest annoyances for me is the difficulty in finding apps. The Market is a huge mess. On my berry, I search appworld for a term and it searches the description as well plus gives me options to organize by price, popularity, reviews, etc... Unless I am blind, there is no way I can do this with the Market...
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The Evo does have a dedicated graphics processor. In fact, the adreno GPU is quite capable for a mobile device. Games just need to be re-written to support it (Nova is an example of this, it used to run like crap, now runs beautifully). Sure it's not as powerful as the SGX series, but it's certainly not that underpowered.

EtherealRemnant said:
App Brain?
No I haven't ever even heard of it.
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Find it in market and download it
Its an alternative app store same apps but more easier ways to find them

Jsimon9633 said:
Find it in market and download it
Its an alternative app store same apps but more easier ways to find them
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Thank you! THIS is what I was looking for! It uploaded my list of installed apps and recommended new apps to me based on that. FANTASTIC!
I wish they had rep here because I would totally give you rep for that!

EtherealRemnant said:
Thank you! THIS is what I was looking for! It uploaded my list of installed apps and recommended new apps to me based on that. FANTASTIC!
I wish they had rep here because I would totally give you rep for that!
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Your welcome and I'm glad to pass on the recommends I myself received when I first got my evo
Its not a flawless app but it beats the heck out of the stock market app
And yeah thee sync feature is sweet

Jsimon9633 said:
Your welcome and I'm glad to pass on the recommends I myself received when I first got my evo
Its not a flawless app but it beats the heck out of the stock market app
And yeah thee sync feature is sweet
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I just installed like 20 apps I didn't even know existed - like StumbleUpon, for example, which is apparently a brand new app (less than 50 downloads)

EtherealRemnant said:
I just installed like 20 apps I didn't even know existed - like StumbleUpon, for example, which is apparently a brand new app (less than 50 downloads)
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Hope this improves your android experience
The community around thee android platform had really impressed me
Especially on this board!

I honestly don't see how you could possibly get bored... You have roms and kernels to last you days of flashing...
Like gambling? You can play Live Poker.
Like racing? You can play Asphalt
Like reading quotes, books and newspapers? theres an app for that.
Like porn? well who doesn't? There is even an app for that.
Craving some super mario or final fantasy? You have emulators.
Like listening to music? You have pandora and a bunch of other radios...
WTF MORE COULD YOU POSSIBLY WANT? Some people are just never satisfied.
like honestly...I just don't get it. If your having trouble finding a stable Rom try evios latest and use one of kings kernel. Im easily getting 15 hours on a single charge with moderate-heavy usage.
P.S the latest app thats been keeping me busy is Akinator. That sht is crazy!!! the first time I used it I literally dropped my phone.

Did Anybody Even Buy The HTC Arrive???

i havent seen any threads posted or anything here whats going on? did u sprint guys pass on the arrive or something?

I will probably get one off contract this week. Not a fan of the form factor, but I need to replace my Diamond ASAP.

Not on Sprint.

I ordered. Looking at other forums it appears that instore stock at most stores was very limited. No best Buys or Radio Shacks carried it. Amazon and Wirefly had it cheaper, but it wont be here until wednesday.

I got one on Sat 3/20, pretty neat so far. I catch myself using my old WebOS gestures sometimes.

I got one today (3/21) Had carried an EVO since day one. still have both. so far so good. the biggest reason Im most likely gonna keep the arrive is the zune player and zune pass.

I posted this review on sprintusers.com:
I came from the Hero running the latest official ROM (Android 2.1 I believe). I've actually extensively played around with WP7 prior to this so I'm very familiar with the OS. IMO there is no comparison between the two devices. It had gotten to the point where I didn't use my Hero for anything other than phone calls and SMS becaues it was so slow. And it wasn't as if I had a bunch of stuff loaded onto it. Even after hard-resetting and only loading absolute essentials (such as Exchange data) it was still SLOOOOW. (lags to switch between screens, pull up menus, open SMS, etc.)
The Arrive on the other hand is lightning quick for the things I want it to do. It loads apps very quickly and never seems to bog down. I've managed to load two exchange accounts as well as several GB of music and videos, sync with FB, etc., and it's still fast. Fast to make phone calls, fast to SMS, fast to load apps. As I said, I have extensively played around with WP7 (was able to borrow a friend's HD7 for several days) so none of this is a suprise to me. Software-wise it delivers exactly as I thought it would.
Comparing the hardware to the HD7 has been interesting. I thought I would find the screen too small on the Arrive but it actually seems to be ok. Definitely smaller than the HD7 (obviously) but not so small as to be a deal-breaker. The biggest surprise has been the quality of the screens between the two. The HD7 colors are very washed out and the screen in general is kind of "meh". The Arrive screen though, really POPS. Colors are nice and saturated and the screen in general seems sharper. My friend who owns the HD7 agreed during a side-by-side comparison. As far as weight, it is noticeably heavier than the HD7. However I think the Arrive feels higher-end than the HD7, even though there is a lot of plastic in both. I can't put my finger on it-- maybe because it's more dense, i.e. more mass in a smaller package, it just seems more substantial.
The keyboard is a pleasure to use-- I have not had a physical keyboard since my HTC Apache back in '06 (!) and I realize now what I have been missing. Very easy to type, intuitive key placement, and good tactile feedback.
All in all I'm very satisfied with the phone. The limitations of the OS have been discussed ad nauseum elsewhere, but as long as you are ok with those limitations you won't be disappointed.
-R

my friend is picking his up today from wirefly
he has been wanting a windows phone since seeing my hd7 and dell venue pro. He likes it already and it's not even here
that said
battery life?

If only it has AT&T/T-Mo's US 3G, =(

i went to 3 sprint stores near my neighborhood, all sold out...

theclueless said:
i went to 3 sprint stores near my neighborhood, all sold out...
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you mean they didn't order any?

orangekid said:
you mean they didn't order any?
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Haha. Im assuming your right

Well the Arrive/7 Pro has it's own Forum section at the verrrrrry bottom of XDA. Most of the posts are there.
I bought one for myself and one for my wife. I am really digging it, there are obviously some things that is missing, but the overall responsiveness and "just works" is great.

i just got mine and i've been trying to activate it for a while..being stubborn...

ms79723 said:
i just got mine and i've been trying to activate it for a while..being stubborn...
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If it won't connect to sprint network/activate, go into your settings-->Cellular--> Change Network Profile/Update PRL.
I had to this on mine after the Sprint store activated it because it would not make phone calls/connect to the internet. My wife who got her activated at the same time by the same person did not have to do this.

orangekid said:
you mean they didn't order any?
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That coming from a T-mobile user who in a year will have to buy an ATT Phone

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If it won't connect to sprint network/activate, go into your settings-->Cellular--> Change Network Profile/Update PRL.
I had to this on mine after the Sprint store activated it because it would not make phone calls/connect to the internet. My wife who got her activated at the same time by the same person did not have to do this.
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yeah, that worked. i stumbled upon that a little after posting my last comment and 10 seconds after stumbling upon it, the person from sprint told me to do it.
All I can say about this phone is that this sht is immaculate!

Got mine sat. And I love it, was coming from the evo . I hate the evo and android but I do miss some of it's features! Don't think I'll look back

I pre-ordered mine and picked it up Sunday. I think the thing is very nice. I came from a HTC Hero. What surprised me is the thickness is only sightly more than the hero. It's noticeable but just slightly.
There are a few quirks to get used to, especially multitasking limitations. But the speed, flow and intuitive interface make up for that. Thinking about it, even though my rooted Hero did multitasking, the performance was so bad, it ruined the experience (same goes for my wife's Evo).
I still find myself using the soft keyboard -- but for the long/detailed email composing, you cannot beat having a physical keyboard (screen real estate).

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i havent seen any threads posted or anything here whats going on? did u sprint guys pass on the arrive or something?
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I had two on pre-order. Picked them up on Sun. afternoon (3/20).
I entered my Live ID and had contacts, Xbox, ZunePass configured by the time I hit the parking lot. When I got in the car I added my main Hotmail account, and when I got home I configured it for Exchange. The rest was spent exploring apps (no, Steve Jobs, NOT "apples").
The wife was another story, she's spent a few days on the migration - mostly because she hadn't synced her phone with Outlook in the 30 days prior, she wanted to migrate her PST to another machine, and she hadn't properly configured Outlook to sync with Windows Live. (Edit: Here's the Live support forum thread on that issue)
She's getting where she needs to be - but I think migrating her old Calendar items are giving her problems. She's posted in the Windows Live support forums and I'll try to post a link to the issue later. It's not really a WP7 issue - just a sync issue she's having between Outlook and Hotmail Calendar.
So I guess how smooth it goes depends on how much you embrace the Windows Live "cloud" concept. In my case, I've never had an easier more care-free migration to a new phone. The wife's experience has been frustrating, but mostly because she's having to learn a lot of new things at once and of course she's in a big hurry. Procrastinators of the world unite... tomorrow - right?

[Q] So who was crazy enough to buy one of these??

That would be me!! lol. Amazon made me an offer I couldn't refuse -$159- I got the free year of prime- I paid for it last year by accident and ended up getting a lot of use out of it, so this made it easy. And the phone was $60 (after putting $99 towards prime), and I opened an amazon CC which gave me $40 in an instant credit- so this phone was $20 in the end!! plus taxes of course.
Before I pulled the trigger I looked to XDA to see where development was for this phone- and it looks like it is picking up and starting to move- so I will be getting this new fire phone tomorrow!!! I have to confess I have been using an iphone 5s (JB of course!) for the last year and a half and have been missing the challenge of rooting, romming, and making the best out of the hardware that is lacking due to poor software.
My plan is to put on the latest update and add google play market- leave it unrooted for now and see how it goes. But I am keeping my eye on beta CM11 and seeing how far it goes with CM 13 possibly in the future!!
@ggow- you seem to be very ambitious with this phone!!!! You are doing some great work and I am following your development closely :good::highfive:. I have never used safestrap before, but I may just have to give it a whirl. You make it very tempting
Why was I interested in this Fire Phone??? I bought a kindle 7 hdx last year and hacked that to run google market and it turned out to be a pretty great tablet that I also got a great deal on. It has the fire OS running along side google market with a great launcher running to swap back and forth. So kindle, instant videos, amazon music, and all the google apps too. It's specs were very close to the ipad mini and was a third of the cost. I gave it to my daughter to use in NYC running on att and she has had no complaints with how I modded it. And she is not very techy! :silly:
I am getting a little bored with my 5s and wanted a bigger screen- I passed on the 6+ since we are no longer getting subsidies and $850 for a phone seems ridiculous!! I don't know if 0.7 inches will make much of a difference, but for $20, I just had to find out
I have a Fire Stick TV also and I want to see how they work together. Very excited to receive this phone tomorrow.
Even after all the horrible reviews I read and watched on you tube!! Hopefully these modifications developed here will make it great!

Geez!!!! 75 views and no comments? Come on people- loosen up and let me know if you love your fire phone or hate it or Hate me cause I got it so cheap:silly: Please share your experiences with your Fire Phone. By now it's a year old, but still looks like a great phone for $60. I am basically a really cheap bargain hunter and wait for things to go on sale. This was really a good one.
Share what you did to make it a great phone! Would love to benefit from your experiences.:highfive: Do you love the Fire OS? Do you love the Market? Or CM11? Please share And I thank you in advance:good:

Great phone for the money. If throw yourself into the Amazon ecosystem the fire OS works quite well but I think only Jeff Bezos has done that so far. I'm using it with a custom launcher at the moment but when cm11 is final I might adopt it.

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Geez!!!! 75 views and no comments? Come on people- loosen up and let me know if you love your fire phone or hate it or Hate me cause I got it so cheap:silly: Please share your experiences with your Fire Phone. By now it's a year old, but still looks like a great phone for $60. I am basically a really cheap bargain hunter and wait for things to go on sale. This was really a good one.
Share what you did to make it a great phone! Would love to benefit from your experiences.:highfive: Do you love the Fire OS? Do you love the Market? Or CM11? Please share And I thank you in advance:good:
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Since you asked:
The hardware is incredible for the price. The antutu benchmark puts it slightly faster than a galaxy s5. However, the bells and whistles (extra cameras, 3D, etc) are irrelevant at best. -- The os is terrible. It works well enough but is far behind other smart phones' os. Also, Amazon's wish to completely control your "experience" gets in the way of good hardware. If you root and then add gapps and the google now launcher, the phone is better to use, but still feels wrong, especially when certain apps can only be added through amazon's app store. -- Finally, I'm still irked by the locked bootloader. It was at this stage I put it in the drawer to use as an emergency backup - or maybe a "mini-gamer" for kids.
Then came ggow and his work to bring CM11 to the phone. Thanks to him, I now use it as my daily driver. I have added Xposed Framework with a few modules, all my favorite apps, and the phone is great! The only annoyance is that there are very infrequent random google play services stops which quickly correct themselves leaving a msg that needs to be swiped away. This is no big deal and ggow might have this fixed by the time you read this. Ggow also mentioned bypassing lollipop (CM12) and looking to "M" for his next major upgrade. How this will happen with a locked bootloader I don't know, but all praise to the person who brought my firephone backed to life.
Enjoy your firephone.

I bought the Fire Phone 6 months ago (I think, don't remember), when it was $189 (and a year of Prime). Having a phone with those specs at $90 was a great deal and hard to refuse. Bought it, got it, and the first day of using it I was amused with how different it was from stock Android. I had a Nexus 5, which got stolen, and I wandered with a low-end phone until I bought the Fire Phone. The Fire Phone couldn't be more different from the Nexus 5, software-wise. I saw the lock screen, toyed with it and thought: "Wow, it moves depending on where I look it from, nice!" (my first lock screen was the one with the time made from the stars and the moon with below it) but also "Did Amazon really need 4 cameras just for that? It might drain my battery" and "Which real-world use could I give to this feature?"
Yes, it was nice to see how things moved thanks to the Dynamic Perspective feature, at least at first; then, like all novelties, my attention to it faded and eventually I disabled it. Having my battery drained wasn't worth for a feature I wasn't paying attention to and which the only real-world use I could think of was showing it to some friend to surprise them a for a little time. And because this phone doesn't have a removable battery, I couldn't afford to lose it for some gimmicky feature.
Then I saw the Carousel, which is the home screen where the most recent apps are shown, with the notifications below it. They were affected by the Dynamic Perspective too. I hated that dotted pattern they used for the Carousel, and then I tried to change it for, say, whatever picture this phone could've come with.
I went to Settings, and was surprised to see, first, that that annoying dotted pattern was there too, and then that there wasn't a way to change the wallpaper. I thought "Come on, it's 2015, every OS in the friggin' world has a way to change the wallpaper. It's the most basic form of customization. Even Apple (which I don't hate), with all that walled garden feeling, allows you to change the wallpaper." But Amazon's FireOS didn't (I haven't ever seen a Kindle Fire tablet). My phone shipped with version 3.6.8, and we had to wait until May to see such a basic feature with the upgrade to 4.6.1. I got annoyed by that, but there was nothing I could to about it.
I checked the pre-loaded games, which make heavy use of the same Dynamic Perspective. I half-liked the Planet Blocks game and played it for a while. After that, I forgot I had it and remained hidden.
Then I went to the Appstore to see what was new. I knew the Appstore didn't have any Google app, and understood it. Amazon had an equivalent to every Google app and, even though I didn't like how they looked, they got the job done, and that was what mattered. Downloading and installing was what I was used to, and updating was a breeze.
But I guess I missed some apps that weren't on the Appstore and was lazy to not sideload all of them. I needed to see good ol' Google on this phone, so I went to XDA and checked if there was a way to sideload Google Play Services. After all, underneath all the Amazon skin and no traces of Google, FireOS was Android at the heart (3.6.8 was based on Android 4.2 Jelly Bean, which was pretty outdated even then). There was a way to install Google Play Services, and there was a way to root the phone too, but only if you were brave (and foolish) enough to downgrade to 3.5.1 (it was a bad idea, because if you did that, there would be problems with the Amazon account registration and also some nasty overheating issue). So, I stayed with just installing Google Play Services. It went smoothly and finally got Google. With the Play Store I'd be able to download and install SwiftKey and maybe Google Now Launcher or Nova Launcher.
I got no luck with SwiftKey. It installed, but then you couldn't use it unless you activated it via ADB. After that, got SwiftKey. And about launchers, they worked, except for widgets (which weren't supported in FireOS) and the wallpaper (there was a way to change the wallpaper in Nova; you could choose the image, but it never worked; you had to like the black background because it was the only option). I checked other launchers, some supported widgets (not all widgets, but some) and some found a way to change the wallpaper. I stuck with Buzz Launcher, which made the phone look and work most similar to Android.
I hoped Amazon would sometime hear what users here at XDA (and everywhere else) had to say. The Fire Phone was a great piece of hardware, but its software was a bummer. People were trying to google it but all you could do was sideload Google Play Services. The bootloader was locked (and still is), and the Towelroot method for rooting didn't work for 3.6.8, so downgrading was the next stage for googling up the device. I remember seeing some guys here at XDA offering some money to the first person to unlock the bootloader, and some people sending a letter to Jeff Bezos himself to unlock it and then also a Change.org petition, taking the example of the HP TouchPad tablet (it saw new life after HP unlocked its bootloader, after which people flashed Android instead of the built-in webOS, becoming the second-most selling tablet of 2011). It never happened.
Then it was the question if the phone would ever receive a FireOS 4 update (based on Android 4.4 KitKat), given its lackluster sales. It finally happened on May, and came with very necessary changes to help customize the phone.
This new version would eventually be rooted via Kingroot, which is a very shady-looking app for rooting. It worked, and then there was a way to change it for SuperSU, a more reliable root app. With all the long wait, knowing a developer found a way to flash a ROM even with the locked bootloader was a relief. I flashed it as fast as I could. Now I'm using Cyanogenmod 11 and it's great (no trace of Amazon). It's still beta (the developer uploaded the first build just 4 days ago), but it works pretty well right now, and it'll only get better.
Now we can use a phone that has a great price and good specs with a great OS to match. To the people out there wondering if the phone is worth the price (right now it went back to $449 and comes with a year of Amazon Prime, with $99 alone, so the phone's real price is $350), no, it's not, you could get a OnePlus One at that price (which comes with Cyanogen OS), or a Moto X, or a Xiaomi Mi4, or many other great phones below $350 (and then if, and only if, you want Amazon Prime you can subscribe). When it gets a big discount, which happens from time to time (last one was this week and the price went down to $159), it gets more attractive (especially if you were going to subscribe to Amazon Prime). The phone has many gimmicky features which are really useless, uses an OS that is difficult to adapt to, and is overpriced most of the time (no wonder Amazon failed to sell it at launch at $199 with AT&T contact, or later at $649 unlocked, or now at $449), but may be a great deal when bought at discount (this week the real price of the phone was $60, and at that price you cannot get any smartphone off-contract) and if you're willing to tinker with the phone and flash a ROM (Cyanogenmod 11 is the only one right now, but might be more in the future), it makes a pretty good phone.
A quad-core Snapdragon 800 CPU, with Adreno 330 GPU and 2GB of RAM, a 13MP rear camera and 2.1MP front camera, 1080p recording, 32GB of built-in storage and now the ability to flash Cyanogenmod 11 for just $60? I'd buy it.

Wow!! Great responses guys. I thank you for taking the time to offer your opinions and I really look forward to receiving my Fire phone

Got my Fire phone!!
I really like the screen- overall size of the phone is not really bigger than my 5s but the screen real estate is a little bigger. It's not so lite that you will drop it or so thin you will drop it either. When I use my 5s bare, I have a hard time hanging onto it. It's in a wallet case that I can get a good grab onto. I like a little heft to it and it does feel good in your hand.
I have the incipio folio case on this fire phone that I got for $10 from ATT online store. That was a really good deal. Also did a screen saver just because I like them and the protection from minute scratches they provide.
So, on my Amazon account it was registered to me and the free prime was added on. When I went to set up the phone it requires you to register again to your account and I got all errors that it couldn't be done at this time, blah blah blah. I researched it and apparently this was a big problem at launch too.
So I updated it to the latest of 4.6.1 (820) and tried again, same deal. It just wouldn't register. So I de-registered it on my computer, and tried again on the phone, no go. You can't use the phone without it being asso. with an amazon acct- no apps at all are usable, even the preinstalled ones. So I chatted online, they couldn't help me and wanted to have their Fire Team support call me back- but I couldn't at that time so I will deal with it tomorrow. I'll have to search this forum and see if there's any info about it.
In the meantime I got the google apps working so now I at least have a pretty good list of apps, but no amazon services working yet. I still have to add a sim card and check the basic call functions- since it is a phone.
The benefit of picking up a phone that is a year old is you guys have already tackled the tough parts of rooting, modding, roms, etc. I checked out this forum before purchasing and was pleasantly surprised that you just made the break through just this week for CM. I may have to check that out! I have the att Mega and that poor orphan phone is so crippled most guys just walked away. I Love it for it's 6 inch screen size. The iphone 6+ was in my thoughts but can't justify that price tag. My mega was a penny when we still did subsidies.
I thank you all for your perseverance and hard work and your stick-to-it-ive-ness:good: This could actually be a decent phone with all the modifications. I am hoping I can leave it as is and swap between the Fire OS and the Nova launcher. Hopefully I'll get it registered correctly tomorrow. It's nice getting back into android after apple. I like them both- but I do get bored.
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So even though it is 3 am here, I just got off the phone with fire phone support and I was told it was a system wide outage and there are many people having this problem. They will get back to me!! I won't hold my breath here
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Talked again to amazon and I am "on the list" to have this registration fubar sorted out. She took additional info- my mac address on the phone specifically, and supposedly this will be fixed OTA magically. We'll see.
I do have a working sim in and phone calls work fine. I have issue with the tinny sounding speakers that are suppose to be stereo- Sounds terrible- especially with music clips ringtones. Pandora sounds bad too. I did read the reviews about the sound and it appears to be true.
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So Amazon finally fixed the registration problem OTA. I can now access my Amazon stuff. Problem solved.

Still using?

Hey anyone still using this bad boy? My screens got some cracks. Anywhere in Australia can get it fixed? Awesome tablet.

I still have it but do not use it too often, just keeping it updated and sometimes play some retro games on it.

Still use it everyday. Bought a Brand New Google Keyboard Cover on eBay a few months ago for real cheap (like $45 lol) and now it's even better. Typing this message on it now.
Thinking of doing a factor reset and starting fresh, but not sure what that would gain me.

I just picked one up used with a keyboard so I will be using it for the foreseeable future. What's the best ROM and kernel?

Use it every day, all day. It's my main Android device. Love it and don't see anything else I'd rather have.

I use it every day. Sometimes a lot. As it ages I have become annoyed that my system decided my battery is ruined and so it throttles the SOC pretty badly below ~80% charge and replacement parts are not really available but other than that it's been pretty good to me. I went through 2 magnetic keyboards and both had terrible key repeating problems but I happened to find the folio keyboard at a thrift store and it's been solid ever since. Wish it had GPS, haptics, better touch screen, and exposed more of its hardware to the /sys folder so I could tweak more things with root but that's the ChromeOS blood showing.
Next time I'll go for max storage though. 32gig was a mistake.

pjcons said:
Hey anyone still using this bad boy? My screens got some cracks. Anywhere in Australia can get it fixed? Awesome tablet.
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My daily driver.
I purchased a second on ebay last year for a backup

pjcons said:
Hey anyone still using this bad boy? My screens got some cracks. Anywhere in Australia can get it fixed? Awesome tablet.
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Hey I have the same problem. Been using it for 2-3 years and screen cracks have appeared - don't know how actually. Not found anywhere you can find to repair, regrettably. :crying:

i used mine mostly daily for basic stuff. I have a pixel slate and honestly prefer this. I personally have out I dislike ChromeOS and prefer android. I think its way more versatile.

Use mine all the time. Almost don't use my laptop anymore. Even do word processing on it, Microsoft Word for Android, great program. Very lightweight, comfortable to put on lap, and easily transportable. Not an expert, but as far as I can tell best device that I've noticed even today. Not sure what I'll do when these get too old. Still getting updates from Google. Don't understand how this device didn't get popular. The Google colored line probably should have been in the shape of a G. Hard to tell what brand it is so losing advertising at coffee shops. Search key on keyboard not necessary. Should have been another key, like caps lock. Delete button would have been nice. Has some problems, but overall very nice device and should have been developed. No demand for it I guess for whatever reasons.

I also use mine all the time. Most of the time for basic things like Netflix, reading/annotating pdfs, reading ect. But sometimes also for multitasking, like code reviews and stuff. The best tablet I ever used!

Of course. Nearly every day.

I still use it, bought it as soon as released.
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I use it every day. Sometimes a lot. As it ages I have become annoyed that my system decided my battery is ruined and so it throttles the SOC pretty badly below ~80% charge and replacement parts are not really available but other than that it's been pretty good to me.
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Mine is around 70% ... Nothing to do to avoid that ?

En Kee said:
I still use it, bought it as soon as released.
Mine is around 70% ... Nothing to do to avoid that ?
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So far as I know a new battery is the only way out of this problem.* Apparently they are out there on the internet to buy. But it looks like the repair is pretty challenging to pull off without breaking the screen.
*Maybe a root solution could be cooked up but the Pixel C does not conform to most other Android systems so pre existing solutions don't often work well.