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[Q] Just got off the phone with CLEAR...

I'm looking into getting CLEAR's home internet service but I had a question for them first. I told them, "I am currently a Sprint customer with a 4G phone (my E4GT) and I am aware that Clear and Sprint use the same 4G network. I live in a very strong 4G area according to your coverage map and Sprint's coverage map, yet 4G signal doesn't penetrate my apartment. I have to step outside to get 4G signal. I am considering getting CLEAR home internet service but since my phones don't get 4G inside my apartment, would the same be true for CLEAR's home internet modem?"
They told me that even though they use the same towers and same technology, and that they built Sprint's 4G network for them, they are not the same signal. They told me CLEAR operates their service on a slightly different frequency and they don't share that network or bandwidth with Sprint 4G customers so I wouldn't be sharing the network with Sprint.
Is this all true or are they just trying to get me to sign up?

kindaskimpy said:
I'm looking into getting CLEAR's home internet service but I had a question for them first. I told them, "I am currently a Sprint customer with a 4G phone (my E4GT) and I am aware that Clear and Sprint use the same 4G network. I live in a very strong 4G area according to your coverage map and Sprint's coverage map, yet 4G signal doesn't penetrate my apartment. I have to step outside to get 4G signal. I am considering getting CLEAR home internet service but since my phones don't get 4G inside my apartment, would the same be true for CLEAR's home internet modem?"
They told me that even though they use the same towers and same technology, and that they built Sprint's 4G network for them, they are not the same signal. They told me CLEAR operates their service on a slightly different frequency and they don't share that network or bandwidth with Sprint 4G customers so I wouldn't be sharing the network with Sprint.
Is this all true or are they just trying to get me to sign up?
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without knowing if this is technically true in any way...
i wouldn't trust a Clear rep with 2 cents, having dealt with them as a reseller for several years before dropping them for BS practices and dishonesty, and dealing with Other resellers lies.

kingdazy said:
without knowing if this is technically true in any way...
i wouldn't trust a Clear rep with 2 cents, having dealt with them as a reseller for several years before dropping them for BS practices and dishonesty, and dealing with Other resellers lies.
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Good to know. I'm not completely uninformed. I know that Clear operates on more frequencies than just the ones our phones are able to pick up on but from that to saying they don't share bandwidth or network at all with Sprint 4G customers is a bit of a stretch for me. I'm not so sure that's true...

kindaskimpy said:
Good to know. I'm not completely uninformed. I know that Clear operates on more frequencies than just the ones our phones are able to pick up on but from that to saying they don't share bandwidth or network at all with Sprint 4G customers is a bit of a stretch for me. I'm not so sure that's true...
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I'm pretty sure there was a thread here on XDA that showed you how to change your WiMax MAC address so if you weren't on Sprint, you could use the MAC of your CLEAR modem in order to get 4G on your phone... So I'd think that the frequency is the same.

nivron said:
I'm pretty sure there was a thread here on XDA that showed you how to change your WiMax MAC address so if you weren't on Sprint, you could use the MAC of your CLEAR modem in order to get 4G on your phone... So I'd think that the frequency is the same.
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One thing has very little to do with the other actually, because the same is true of Comcast 4G WiMax modems that use CLEAR's network. Changing the MAC address is simply a way of getting the network to recognize your device as active but it has nothing to do with frequencies. I've heard CLEAR operates anywhere between 2.3 - 2.7 GHz while our phones' center frequencies put us between 2.5 and 2.6.
There has been lots of talk here on XDA about changing center frequencies (especially on the EVO) to take advantage of a bigger range of frequencies, which leads me to believe these other frequencies are indeed in use. I don't know if anyone's been able to do it, though. But even if they are in use, I'm just not sure how true their claim is that those frequencies provide better signal, are faster, and don't share bandwidth with Sprint 4G. That last claim seems a little out there for me.

You're good. I had a neighbor with clear that I used to leech of of and even with no sprint four g. In my place either from sprint, I was wifi at high speeds
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I've even had a few people with boost epics that got clear Wimax on their phones instead poof sprint but that's a tutorial that breaks warrantee
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justlovejoy said:
You're good. I had a neighbor with clear that I used to leech of of and even with no sprint four g. In my place either from sprint, I was wifi at high speeds
Touched by an Epic 4G w/Cm9 & Fueled by the NY Giants 2012
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Thank you! That was my worry, that if I didn't have Sprint 4G indoors, I wouldn't get CLEAR 4G either. You just helped. I'll give them a try and hope for the best. Worst case scenario, I'll return the equipment before the first 15 days are up.

kindaskimpy said:
Thank you! That was my worry, that if I didn't have Sprint 4G indoors, I wouldn't get CLEAR 4G either. You just helped. I'll give them a try and hope for the best. Worst case scenario, I'll return the equipment before the first 15 days are up.
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You'll be lucky if they let you return the equipment within that window. One of my idiot roommates in college signed us up for their shady ass service in our apartment... We got one "bar" and 56k speeds. They would not let us cancel (even within the window) because we technically "had service". It took months to get that straightened out without having to pay cancellation fees... I can't remember how many conversations we had or how many techs they sent out... But hey, maybe they are different now? This was over four years ago... We ended up with Comcast.
Check out clearwiresucks.com
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EmperorX said:
You'll be lucky if they let you return the equipment within that window. One of my idiot roommates in college signed us up for their shady ass service in our apartment... We got one "bar" and 56k speeds. They would not let us cancel (even within the window) because we technically "had service". It took months to get that straightened out without having to pay cancellation fees... I can't remember how many conversations we had or how many techs they sent out... But hey, maybe they are different now? This was over four years ago... We ended up with Comcast.
Check out clearwiresucks.com
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Thanks for the heads up. They assured me since there is no contract, I could cancel at any time within that window and get all my money back but I've made my decision and I am not going to get service with the. I gave their "Acceptable Use" policy a read and it sounds like a lot of double talk. "Unlimited but only under our terms and if we think you are using too much data we will throttle you without warning and we won't tell you what we deem is 'too much data'... blah blah blah."
I bet they copied-and-pasted that stuff from AT&T's stance on their customers who were grandfathered in with their unlimited plans.

kindaskimpy said:
Thanks for the heads up. They assured me since there is no contract, I could cancel at any time within that window and get all my money back but I've made my decision and I am not going to get service with the. I gave their "Acceptable Use" policy a read and it sounds like a lot of double talk. "Unlimited but only under our terms and if we think you are using too much data we will throttle you without warning and we won't tell you what we deem is 'too much data'... blah blah blah."
I bet they copied-and-pasted that stuff from AT&T's stance on their customers who were grandfathered in with their unlimited plans.
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I think you made the right choice. Check out that site rofl
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Haha, CLEAR. What a joke of a company. Stay far away from their lies and shady practices.
I tried out CLEAR ~1.5 years ago, and they assured me I'd get good data speeds, but I would get even better speeds in about 1-2 months as they were going to build a tower even closer to where I live (the rep even gave me the cross streets).
Well, I got crap data speeds, and returned it within 2 weeks. And to this day, their data map still shows no new towers where I live.

Clear is terrible. Customer right now and I signed a contract. Can't wait to get out of it
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Wow, I've yet to find someone who says something complimentary about CLEAR. So glad I'm staying away.

kindaskimpy said:
Wow, I've yet to find someone who says something complimentary about CLEAR. So glad I'm staying away.
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You guys don't know anything about Clear !!! If you want optimized download speeds, all you need it to rotate your modem ... problem solved... at least that's what they're saying here, and I can't stop laughing ...
http://www.clear.com/support/faq/connection-issues/connectionsignal/optimizing-your-connection
STAY AWAY FROM CLEAR !!!
Their lowest plan is $35/month for 1.5 Mbits/sec ... Even if this service would be $15/month, I would still have a hard time justifying the amount of money for the service. 3G runs at this speed (for me at home, not everywhere else) and it comes part of the service without additional cost, so why spend the money in the first place ???

Stay away biggest mistake of my life
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Same here downloading leaked ics at 62/kbs
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T.C.P said:
Same here downloading leaked ics at 62/kbs
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Uploading ICS at 5/kbps
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T.C.P said:
Same here downloading leaked ics at 62/kbs
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You need to be getting on Sbrissen's case so you can start uploading aokp!! lol

Sprint Roaming Letter - read/understand/adjust

Many people have complained, but no one seems to post what the letter looks like or what it actually says.
Sprint cell phone plans are not truly unlimited, but they are generous. Roaming is capped at 300mb or a majority of data usage and 800 minutes in a month. On network usage is a little tricky. They will let you use A LOT, but there is a point where they'll send you a letter for excessive usage. If you're like the guy that got caught using 100GB to tether and host MW3, of course you'll get a similar letter. But I would think you could easily use 50GB on-network and they's let it slide.
Attached is a copy of the letter I got from Sprint last month for roaming. I was under the impression, as it is advertised and listed in my bill, that ALL data usage was unlimited. I sent an email to Dan Hesse's CSR team and they called me back to explain the truth. The truth being, even though it's listed as unlimited in ads and on your bill, you in fact signed TOS agreeing to this limitation.
If you are ever having trouble with the regular CSRs, have a horrible experience, or feel you were wronged or not listened to, send an email to [email protected](DON'T ABUSE IT OR THEY'LL TAKE IT AWAY!). They have more authority and will call you and try to resolve the issue.
Look, we've got a pretty sweet deal when it comes to data. If you get one of these letters, you're probably doing something you shouldn't. I was and I got the warning. Now I've adjusted my usage to not whore the network and everyone's happy.
FYI: I was using Roam Control when I visited my girlfriend on weekends because she lives in the sticks and Sprint coverage sucks. And if your coverage sucks at your house ask for an Airave, it's free.

This ultimately IS false advertising and I am sure that at some point Sprint will get into trouble for it.

squiggie said:
This ultimately IS false advertising and I am sure that at some point Sprint will get into trouble for it.
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Nah, watch the commercial or read the ads and look at the fine print on the bottom. There's a phrase in there that makes it NOT false advertising... "terms and conditions apply"
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Wizard Knight said:
Nah, watch the commercial or read the ads and look at the fine print on the bottom. There's a phrase in there that makes it NOT false advertising... "terms and conditions apply"
There's always excptions
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The commercials say, "On Sprint" or "With Sprint" not "On Sprint while on a competitors network where Sprint is forced to pay out the ass."
Sprint is awesome and their policies are very consumer/hacker friendly. Dont ruin a good thing for the rest of us please.

exabrial said:
The commercials say, "On Sprint" or "With Sprint" not "On Sprint while on a competitors network where Sprint is forced to pay out the ass."
Sprint is awesome and their policies are very consumer/hacker friendly. Dont ruin a good thing for the rest of us please.
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Not sure why this is so hard to understand.
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People are confused and upset because, for one, who reads the 10,000 words of the TOS? And, if you look on your bill under roaming it list usage/unlimited. This is my current bill as an example:
Sprint 3G Data
Used
772,356KB / Unlimited
Remaining
Unlimited
Sprint 3G Data Roaming
Used
0KB / Unlimited
Remaining
Unlimited
Sprint 4G Data
Used
40,503KB / Unlimited
Remaining
Unlimited
Until Sprint changes the webpage to accurately show "/300,000KB", they will continue to get angry phone calls, accusations of bait and switch and threats of action from rightfully confused customers. In all fairness, it's their own fault their CSRs are getting yelled at.

I like the idea of being able to get out of my two year contract by roaming too much.
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luckychef28 said:
People are confused and upset because, for one, who reads the 10,000 words of the TOS? And, if you look on your bill under roaming it list usage/unlimited. This is my current bill as an example:
Sprint 3G Data
Used
772,356KB / Unlimited
Remaining
Unlimited
Sprint 3G Data Roaming
Used
0KB / Unlimited
Remaining
Unlimited
Sprint 4G Data
Used
40,503KB / Unlimited
Remaining
Unlimited
Until Sprint changes the webpage to accurately show "/300,000KB", they will continue to get angry phone calls, accusations of bait and switch and threats of action from rightfully confused customers. In all fairness, it's their own fault their CSRs are getting yelled at.
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Even if sprint changed the verbage people wouldnt get it. Even if sprint spelled it out in big letters during their ads I feel that the average consumer who is not one of us on these forums will still no doubt about it here unlimited and be completely oblivious to the other obvious stated facts. Because other than the obvious facts, the average consumer is ignorant and wants what they want when they want it their way. I beleive we live in a Mcdonalds way now. Have it your way. People are seriously misguided in this day and age. /end rant

ZiggSVO said:
Even if sprint changed the verbage people wouldnt get it. Even if sprint spelled it out in big letters during their ads I feel that the average consumer who is not one of us on these forums will still no doubt about it here unlimited and be completely oblivious to the other obvious stated facts. Because other than the obvious facts, the average consumer is ignorant and wants what they want when they want it their way. I beleive we live in a Mcdonalds way now. Have it your way. People are seriously misguided in this day and age. /end rant
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Honestly, reading the various threads here, even the average person {who posts about it, anyway} on these forums seems pretty ignorant when it comes to roaming.
The main problem is people don't know what on-network roaming is. I've posted at least three times over the past month why Sprint can say they have unlimited roaming *on-network* and what on-network roaming is vs off-network roaming.
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squiggie said:
This ultimately IS false advertising and I am sure that at some point Sprint will get into trouble for it.
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No, that is wishful thinking on your part.
If you watch the commercials, they say unlimited roaming *on the Sprint network*.
If you don't know the difference between on-network and off-network roaming, do a bit of research.
I agree with you that it sucks, wholeheartedly, they just aren't making any false claims.

What is the difference between on and off network ROAMing? Since you cannot roam on your own network
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Agreed... there is always a fine print.. But also.agreed, they should not.advertise.unlimited when t&c apply which state that it is.in.fact not.unlimited.. If someone is on the home network, not doing anything illegal.but.has excessive.use for w.e reason sprint is saying they will.send a warning letter or.terminate service.. I can completely understand if they are using roam control to.force roam on another.network or.if they are tethering or using the.hotspot to host mw3 & use.100GB in a month are obviously both good reasons to.boot the person but for.people who.dont that purposely should not be.punished.. They should advtertise no data limit to an.extent, not truely.unlimited data, but.not.really if you read the fine print.. Data roaming is the same with any carrier.. Cant guarantee data service off sprint network, excessive roaming use.is.expensive.. But dont kick people who.are legit on the sprint network because they didnt read the fine.print and assumed because.it is.clearly advertised as.the ONLY.company with TRUELY unlimited data.. It should be no data cap and no data overages within reason.. And if someone wants to.pay for tethering, goes legit and.wants to host mw3 games amd has.excessive.use.i.dont think should be.kicked.either.. To me its a PR mess waiting to happen until sprint finally stops crazy advertising unlimited or.makes custs.more aware.of the terms and conditions..
Edit: since I work.all day for us cellular and cant have my phone on me on the work floor, and because.the rest of.the.time im at.home on.wifi, my data use.is less than 100mb and my min use is.even less since I only talk when its free, my.usage is.super low, most likely will.NEVER see one of.these letters. At my work i.saw the other.day a customer got.susp because.an old lady managed to.use 13GB in 3 days.on a 5GB limit and she said she only downloaded.Microsoft office and the.rest of.the weekend.she was gone.so.it.was.impossible, sprint, and any carrier knows what is normal.. People need to.understand, your mobile data is.no.subsitute.for.home internet lol, people use.your heads and.dont.abuse. It or soon we might not.have the option to.use.more.data then all other carriers
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donsh00tmesanta said:
What is the difference between on and off network ROAMing? Since you cannot roam on your own network
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You can roam on network.. Sprint doesnt.have towers.across every square inch of the country.. They can be roaming on network with sprints roaming partners, or.be.completely.off sprints network.and.roaming on a non roaming partners network.. Also, if you notice on the.bills, there is home area, then extended home area.. extended means you are withing the sprint coverage area but not on sprints tower.. Can be a number of factors like weather, sprint tower down, or mayne even location.. It all depends. Its confusing but really.not.once you understand the.cellular lingo
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donsh00tmesanta said:
What is the difference between on and off network ROAMing? Since you cannot roam on your own network
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Say you live in Milwaukee, a Sprint service area. You purchased your phone and your plan there. Then you travel to Miami, another Sprint service area. You are now "roaming" on-network because you are out of your HOME service area, but still on the Sprint network.
Now, let's say you travel to visit family in northern Wisconsin in the middle of the forest. The only reception you get is Alltel (owned by Cellular One, I believe). You are now roaming off-network.
This is a holdover from the early days of cell phones when networks were NOT nationwide, but rather were region-wide.

Dalmus said:
Say you live in Milwaukee, a Sprint service area. You purchased your phone and your plan there. Then you travel to Miami, another Sprint service area. You are now "roaming" on-network because you are out of your HOME service area, but still on the Sprint network.
Now, let's say you travel to visit family in northern Wisconsin in the middle of the forest. The only reception you get is Alltel (owned by Cellular One, I believe). You are now roaming off-network.
This is a holdover from the early days of cell phones when networks were NOT nationwide, but rather were region-wide.
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Yea, like u.s. Cellular is still a regional carrier with nationwide coverage.. Anywhere outside of there network is roaming, anywhere you leave your home area to another USCc region you are roaming in the extended home service area since you are still on there network.. In Florida where there is no uscc, your roaming off network but are still provided coverage through there roaming partners
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Dalmus said:
Honestly, reading the various threads here, even the average person {who posts about it, anyway} on these forums seems pretty ignorant when it comes to roaming.
The main problem is people don't know what on-network roaming is. I've posted at least three times over the past month why Sprint can say they have unlimited roaming *on-network* and what on-network roaming is vs off-network roaming.
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That is very true about understanding on-network/off-network. But what's tallied in that second section IS off-network usage even though it says "Sprint 3G Roaming". When I spoke with them on the phone they listed my usage for December as a time I exceeded the limit, which was 467MB. This was listed in my account as "467,272KB/Unlimited Remaining Unlimited". I think that's reason to ask them for clarification.
I acknowledged that forcing my phone to roam was wrong, and I made adjustments, but I barely got any battery life with 1 signal bar and 2G data.
But if you want out of your contract scott free, go for it. They even offered to credit my last full month.
EDIT: I spent 4 days in DC last month, obviously not my home network area, and my Sprint 3G Roaming remained at 0KB. That seems to prove home vs on-network roaming has nothing to do with it. How hard is it for them to be up front that Sprint 3G Roaming = off-network roaming?
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luckychef28 said:
Dalmus said:
Honestly, reading the various threads here, even the average person {who posts about it, anyway} on these forums seems pretty ignorant when it comes to roaming.
The main problem is people don't know what on-network roaming is. I've posted at least three times over the past month why Sprint can say they have unlimited roaming *on-network* and what on-network roaming is vs off-network roaming.
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That is very true about understanding on-network/off-network. But what's tallied in that second section IS off-network usage even though it says "Sprint 3G Roaming". When I spoke with them on the phone they listed my usage for December as a time I exceeded the limit, which was 467MB. This was listed in my account as "467,272KB/Unlimited Remaining Unlimited". I think that's reason to ask them for clarification.
I acknowledged that forcing my phone to roam was wrong, and I made adjustments, but I barely got any battery life with 1 signal bar and 2G data.
But if you want out of your contract scott free, go for it. They even offered to credit my last full month.
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When I got the letter in the beginning of Feb, they listed December as a month I exceeded the limit, and I only had 75MB of roaming data that month (or something like that, I forget exactly now). I asked them how in the world 75MB of roaming data exceeded the 300MB cap, and they told me that I had only used 100MB of on-network data (I spend most of my life on WiFi between work and home), so 75MB was MORE than half of my data usage, therefore a violation of TOS.
So basically, I'm being punished for actually staying OFF their network entirely by using WiFi.
I would have told them to go ahead and kick me off, except that Verizon and AT&T don't have coverage where I need it on my land up north, so they aren't an option.
I *DO* agree with you that their online usage summary really should have a separate data point called "off network roaming - Used: 126,304 of 307,200"
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It would be interesting to see what the roaming agreements are for Sprint and the other carriers. I wonder how much Sprint gets charged per KB when we are roaming.
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elliwigy said:
Agreed... there is always a fine print.. But also.agreed, they should not.advertise.unlimited when t&c apply which state that it is.in.fact not.unlimited.. If someone is on the home network, not doing anything illegal.but.has excessive.use for w.e reason sprint is saying they will.send a warning letter or.terminate service.. I can completely understand if they are using roam control to.force roam on another.network or.if they are tethering or using the.hotspot to host mw3 & use.100GB in a month are obviously both good reasons to.boot the person but for.people who.dont that purposely should not be.punished.. They should advtertise no data limit to an.extent, not truely.unlimited data, but.not.really if you read the fine print.. Data roaming is the same with any carrier.. Cant guarantee data service off sprint network, excessive roaming use.is.expensive.. But dont kick people who.are legit on the sprint network because they didnt read the fine.print and assumed because.it is.clearly advertised as.the ONLY.company with TRUELY unlimited data.. It should be no data cap and no data overages within reason.. And if someone wants to.pay for tethering, goes legit and.wants to host mw3 games amd has.excessive.use.i.dont think should be.kicked.either.. To me its a PR mess waiting to happen until sprint finally stops crazy advertising unlimited or.makes custs.more aware.of the terms and conditions..
Edit: since I work.all day for us cellular and cant have my phone on me on the work floor, and because.the rest of.the.time im at.home on.wifi, my data use.is less than 100mb and my min use is.even less since I only talk when its free, my.usage is.super low, most likely will.NEVER see one of.these letters. At my work i.saw the other.day a customer got.susp because.an old lady managed to.use 13GB in 3 days.on a 5GB limit and she said she only downloaded.Microsoft office and the.rest of.the weekend.she was gone.so.it.was.impossible, sprint, and any carrier knows what is normal.. People need to.understand, your mobile data is.no.subsitute.for.home internet lol, people use.your heads and.dont.abuse. It or soon we might not.have the option to.use.more.data then all other carriers
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Ok, i'm going to go a bit off topic here, but trying to read your missive is giving me a headache.
Why are you using (full stops) periods everywhere and anywhere???

LordLugard said:
Ok, i'm going to go a bit off topic here, but trying to read your missive is giving me a headache.
Why are you using (full stops) periods everywhere and anywhere???
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My guess is he is manually punching in words and hitting '.' instead of {space} by accident.
That's why I like Swype.

This again? Please stop. I have no sympathy for people who don't read/understand the agreement they sign. For the last time, the unlimited term is used with terms & conditions and applies to the data usage of the Sprint device on the Sprint network.
Continuing to post/argue over what unlimited means *to you* vs. what is in black and white is a waste of forum bandwidth.
Stop whining about it. Read the agreement. Nod in understanding. Done.

[Q] Roaming Penalty

so I see that excessive roaming will prompt sprint to give you the boot with no warning but how does it work with family plans. if one person on the plan roams too much does the entire account get canceled or just that one phone number?

Just the line that abused it. Also the send you a letter telling you to stop first
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I got a letter from Sprint myself after I messed with my RTSP and HTTPD server settings. I read an article about speeding up network access like at my desk at work on an AT&T (roaming) network. After about 2 weeks of enjoying better coverage and speeds, I got a love letter from Sprint.
At first I had no clue, then I remembered I had messed with those settings. Turns out I was ONLY roaming with them. So now I put them back to stock and no issues with Sprint.
Actually, on Calkulins latest v1.2 ICS Rom, with the FC18 modem, I get 3G at my work where I only had a 1X network data connection before!

thanks for the info

So do I have to use calks rom plus fc18 modem for it to work
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ScubaSteev said:
So do I have to use calks rom plus fc18 modem for it to work
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Different devices, different areas, and different radios all play a part in your signal strength. There is not a one-size-fits-all, so try different modems, using each one a couple of days, and keep an eye on your signal strength.

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So do I have to use calks rom plus fc18 modem for it to work
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Not sure what you mean by "it"

Wait...what does roaming mean in this case? I am going to get this phone soon, and I have been out of the loop for this community for a few months now. Is roaming a term for something mod related or does it just mean being in a roaming area.
My concern is that when I had the Epic, I rode the subway everyday and every 3 seconds my phone says "You are roaming" and does the annoying sound and screen, have they disabled this?

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Wait...what does roaming mean in this case? I am going to get this phone soon, and I have been out of the loop for this community for a few months now. Is roaming a term for something mod related or does it just mean being in a roaming area.
My concern is that when I had the Epic, I rode the subway everyday and every 3 seconds my phone says "You are roaming" and does the annoying sound and screen, have they disabled this?
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It just means you are using another carrier's tower, not Sprint's... The default Sprint proxy settings on the phone are fine, but you can hack them and get into trouble if you do this.

I know this thread is somewhat old, but I wanted to share that the second letter I recently received from Sprint was one informing me that my account WILL be terminated as of July 17th.
I tried numerous times to explain that when I am at work, I am ALWAYS on roaming data. I use WiFi at home, so the only time I typically user Sprint 3G is during my commute. They said there were NO exceptions and the decision comes from Corporate and is FINAL. 18 years with my company and 8 in good standing with Sprint on different phones... And they axed me! My Epic 4G Touch apparently is rather data hungry...
So beware, peeps...
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You have be roaming at least 75% of the time (not an exact number, just ballpark) in order for Sprint to boot you.
Basically, while you're roaming, Sprint is having to pay the other carrier for your usage. If you're using the other network more than Sprint, it's not profitable to keep you.

Sunsparc said:
You have be roaming at least 75% of the time (not an exact number, just ballpark) in order for Sprint to boot you.
Basically, while you're roaming, Sprint is having to pay the other carrier for your usage. If you're using the other network more than Sprint, it's not profitable to keep you.
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Last I heard it was 300MB of roaming then they send the letter. Do it again over that limit and you get the boot.
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peanut1596 said:
Last I heard it was 300MB of roaming then they send the letter. Do it again over that limit and you get the boot.
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Yes, the letter says 300MB or the majority of 3G data. There were 2 months since November 2011 where
My roaming data % was more than non-roaming.
The thing that kills me is that my usage pattern hadn't changed across the last 3 phones I've had with them. The Google Play Store and all the apps connecting in the background had changed my consumption no doubt...
My E4GT is my first Android phone though, and they even made me pay an extra $10 per month for "premium data" with this phone because it is a "smartphone" (just like my previous Blackberry Curve)!
Wtf? Faaaaaaaq Sprint
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Do they make you pay an ETF when they do this? I know for most, roaming isn't an issue but some are on the edge of the network and are more likely to roam. Would kind of suck if they had to pay an ETF.

I'm expecting a letter reeeeeeeeeeaaaally soon. I used 2.5GB of roaming last month so I imagine they are a little pissy about that.
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KCRic said:
Do they make you pay an ETF when they do this? I know for most, roaming isn't an issue but some are on the edge of the network and are more likely to roam. Would kind of suck if they had to pay an ETF.
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Sprint did offer to waive the ETFs (2 off them) AND any recurring charges for the last month of service... Actually, on AT&T, I'm now getting better coverage and speed, both in and out of my workplace, and with the wife's employee discount we are paying less overall.
3GB data plan on each phone... Most I've ever used on Sprint is like 1.2GB.
One of the best things about the AT&T data plan is that if you go over the limit, for $10 they automatically add another GB, not cancel your account. And roaming data only applies to international data usage.
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I'm expecting a letter reeeeeeeeeeaaaally soon. I used 2.5GB of roaming last month so I imagine they are a little pissy about that.
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If your Sprint 3G data is more than your Sprint 3G roaming data, then they won't usually take any action other than maybe warning letters.
I'm sure my usage was costing them money, but my usage was costing ME plenty of money too!
I was happy about no ETFs and the free last month... but there should be legal implications for them since they don't report any of this on your invoice OR USAGE DETAILS. When I asked why there was no mention of the roaming data issue on my bill, they said that some things changed earlier this year, and their Marketing and Billing departments weren't on the same page yet.
This a$$ reaming was brought to you by Sprint... Bringing a whole new meaning to the term "Unlimited"...
GFY, Sprint. I hope you face legal action for screwing your customers over like this
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The problem is, there is no way to tell from your bill whether you are roaming on Sprint's network (as in, out of your home calling area) or roaming OFF of Sprint's network.
"Changes earlier this year" is BS. Their bill has stated "Sprint 3G Roaming - Unlimited" forever.

Dalmus said:
The problem is, there is no way to tell from your bill whether you are roaming on Sprint's network (as in, out of your home calling area) or roaming OFF of Sprint's network.
"Changes earlier this year" is BS. Their bill has stated "Sprint 3G Roaming - Unlimited" forever.
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Their lack of reporting is BS too...
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10 plus year Sprint customer checking in here!
I've been using the EK02 modem combo'ed with PRL 11115 and Mr. Greg's ROAM Control for almost 3 months now, set to roam only and I haven't gotten a single letter, threat or anything!
I'm actually hoping to get one, I want out of my Sprint contract without paying the ETF, I'm sick of the slow 3G data speeds. Now before someone says well you've been a customer for over 10 years and you have resigned the contracts so you have no one else to blame but yourself, blah blah blah, back before the HTC EVO 4G, I didn't have these issues.
Over the past 3 years Sprints network has done to hell. My Samsung Instinct and my Palm Pre were FAST. I used them as modems for my laptop and everything else, NO problems. Browsing on them was FAST, no problems. Apps online on them, no problems. I get my EVO and its SLOW! That was about when 4G was coming so I waited it out and yep we finally GET 4G locally but only downtown. I keep hearing promisses of expansion blah blah blah so I renew picking up the Epic 4G Touch, oh, no more 4G expansion blah blah, LTE is the next big thing.
Well my Epic Touch is even slower then my EVO was.
Sprint got too big and there network just cant handle it.
My friends ATT Skyrocket blows my phone out of the water speed wise. Hell, just roaming to Verizon I get upward of a meg a second but on Sprint I'm luck to get 100 kbps. Sometimes it bursts to 600+ but it doesnt hold. Sometimes its as low as 20 kbps. Most webpages don't load.
I'm burned out.

they haven't sent me one yet..... crossing fingures

[Q] Phone termed; what can I do in the future?

Hi guys,
I use Sprint's unlimited network with a HTC EVO 4G along with Cyanogenmod. I used it to tether quite a bit...
Supposedly Sprint sent me a letter for "excessive roaming". I never really saw it, and I only tethered with 4G.
Sprint terminated my phone and left the two other phones in the contract. My plan is to basically transfer one phone in that contract to another and get mine back in (since the contract is under a 2 phone probation for 6-9 months).
I don't plan on screwing that up again.. so my questions are:
1.) How do I know if my data is roaming or not?
2.) Does not updating your radio regularly affect data roaming?
3.) I heard (from another forum) that torrenting can affect data roaming usage. I admit I've torrented a gigantic 3+gb free to play MMORPG through tethering before. What does torrenting do to affect data roaming (the technical details of it)?
4.) I enjoy using tethering as I travel (in the city where there's Sprint coverage) quite a bit. What are some pointers I could get to stay under the radar next time?
Thanks for the help everyone. I really appreciate it.

My plan is to basically transfer one phone in that contract to another and get mine back in
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Not sure if that will work. They probably blocked your phone's esn, and they normally completely cancel your number, so you can't get that number back with sprint.
1.) How do I know if my data is roaming or not?
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If you are on a Sense rom, there will be a triangle above the signal bars. Not sure if this happens on an ASOP rom or not. However, if you are using one of the Verizon prl's, you will get NO notification that you are roaming.
2.) Does not updating your radio regularly affect data roaming?
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There really has only been 2 or 3 radio updates in the life of the evo, so there is no need to keep updating it. If you are not on the current radio, it can't hurt to update it.
3.) I heard (from another forum) that torrenting can affect data roaming usage. I admit I've torrented a gigantic 3+gb free to play MMORPG through tethering before. What does torrenting do to affect data roaming (the technical details of it)?
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Umm, well ANY tethering uses data, torrenting is no different, other than the fact that you are constantly using data, and obviously downloading large torrent files will use more data that downloading a 5kb email.
4.) I enjoy using tethering as I travel (in the city where there's Sprint coverage) quite a bit. What are some pointers I could get to stay under the radar next time?
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Well since sprint has unlimited data, if you are tethering on sprint's network you are fine, no matter how much data you use. It's the roaming data that will get you noticed and cancelled.

cetvxs said:
Supposedly Sprint sent me a letter for "excessive roaming". I never really saw it, and I only tethered with 4G.
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Which did they send you? A letter for excessive roaming, excessive data usage or excessive data roaming? The only reason I as is because the OP is vague when it comes to excessive roaming and there are 3 different cases of excessive roaming.
Each are different and need to be handled differently. I would call them up and ask which was the case.
Sprint will send 2 letters and place several calls to you when you are in violation of this TOS.
I got an excessive voice roaming letter while living in an roaming area for 3 months. But when I received the letter I had already moved back.

KommodoreHeinz said:
Which did they send you? A letter for excessive roaming, excessive data usage or excessive data roaming? The only reason I as is because the OP is vague when it comes to excessive roaming and there are 3 different cases of excessive roaming.
Each are different and need to be handled differently. I would call them up and ask which was the case.
Sprint will send 2 letters and place several calls to you when you are in violation of this TOS.
I got an excessive voice roaming letter while living in an roaming area for 3 months. But when I received the letter I had already moved back.
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Excessive data roaming, according to one of Sprint's supervisors.
The supervisor claimed that my NUMBER will be cancelled, but I will be able to enable a new number. All I'll really have to do is get Google Voice and catch my old number to reroute calls to my new number (according to that supervisor)
It's strange because I'm not sure if I'm roaming or not (in data) with Cynaogen 7.
Needless to say, I've set my data to Sprint only instead of "Automatic".
They quite frankly mercilessly cut off my line, set the plan from a max of 3 lines to 2 for 6-9 months, gave me refusal to restore my old number after I negotiated that the letter was never seen.
They looked up something on my account and knew that I used a torrent software at one point. The supervisor used that and went off on a different tangent stating that downloading illegal software is a federal offense and reason enough to cut me off... I briefly corrected him saying that I specifically downloaded a 3-4 GB file that was a free to play game.
Anyways.. I hope this helps anyone who is currently tethering their EVO or any sprint device. Hopefully no one else will make the same mistake/s I did; they were absolutely ruthless even after 4+ hours of negotiations.

[Q] Roaming Questions

At home in the subarb I get crappy sprint service, specifically texting and voice. It takes 5 minutes for a text to come from my mom's ATT phone to me on sprint, and the same situation takes only 5 seconds while roaming on Verizon. For voice, I only have one ring to pick up the phone on sprint vs. four or five rings on Verizon (it only misses one ring). I've tried it many times, so there is NO argument! When I'm at college in downtown Pittsburgh, the service is very comparable to Verizon and I have no issues whatsoever. From searching the forums, I've found out that the voice you use while roaming on Verizon is limited to your anytime minutes (I have 1500), and your data is limited to 300 mb using 1x. Now the problem is that I'm home for summer and I'm sick of the service already. For the past day I have been roaming on Verizon and it feels like I have gotten a whole new phone all over again. Everything works correctly everywhere and it's phenomenal. My texts go through instantly and I'm missing no calls. My question is, if I stay under 1500 minutes (I never even make any phone calls anyways, it would take me months to hit 1500) and under 300 mb of data (I plan on simply using sprint 4g or wifi at all times) until I go back to school in 3 months, will I run into any issues? Is there any limit on the time that you spend roaming or the amount of text messages you send/receive?

Roaming minutes are counted as your plan.minutes, no limit on texts. There's a PRL hack that locks your phone into roaming with 3g speeds. Data is kinda iffy, some people.have gotten dropped from.sprint from.excessive data roaming after from a few months to a year.
Also Google the app roam control, its not in the play store but its very useful for people in your situation.
If I was you I'd just lock in roaming and let sprint eventually drop you, sell your ET4g and get a phone from a better carrier.

agreed.. in the same situation.. ive had roam control for a looong time but just recently put it to use.. im in phoenix az and i cant get a signal in my house unless i use roam control to force roam.. had to for the last few weeks since we dont have internet right now and cant use the airrave..
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Call Sprint and get an Airave - provided are allowed another line on your account and have an internet connection at home. Explain your situation (if your school address is your billing address, change it to your where you are now) and they will provide one free(ish). There is a nominal admin fee each month. If the first CSR you talk to tries to charge you fr the unit just ask to be transferred to someone else in customer retention, you'll succeed in getting it for free.
I was in this situation where I was roaming in my house. Many of the CSRs told me it was not possible because, "the voice and data coverage is very good at your address". Which is true looking at the map on their website, but far from the reality. I used Roam Control from the market and within 3 months received a letter telling me to curb my roaming or be terminated - the only plus would be the termination would be ETF free. To be clear, the roaming agreement is 800 minutes OR a majority of minutes for voice and 300mb OR a majority of use. So even if you stay below 500 minutes, but they're all roaming you are still violating their terms.
If you call them today your problem should be solved, airave in hand, before the end of the week. If you have any trouble PM me and I'll try to help. Good luck.

phatmanxxl said:
Roaming minutes are counted as your plan.minutes, no limit on texts. There's a PRL hack that locks your phone into roaming with 3g speeds. Data is kinda iffy, some people.have gotten dropped from.sprint from.excessive data roaming after from a few months to a year.
Also Google the app roam control, its not in the play store but its very useful for people in your situation.
If I was you I'd just lock in roaming and let sprint eventually drop you, sell your ET4g and get a phone from a better carrier.
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I have found that PRL hack, and I do not want to use verizons 3g to prevent using too much data, especially since I have unlimited sprint 4g and wifi.
I am using roam control to force roaming.
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Call Sprint and get an Airave - provided are allowed another line on your account and have an internet connection at home. Explain your situation (if your school address is your billing address, change it to your where you are now) and they will provide one free(ish). There is a nominal admin fee each month. If the first CSR you talk to tries to charge you fr the unit just ask to be transferred to someone else in customer retention, you'll succeed in getting it for free.
I was in this situation where I was roaming in my house. Many of the CSRs told me it was not possible because, "the voice and data coverage is very good at your address". Which is true looking at the map on their website, but far from the reality. I used Roam Control from the market and within 3 months received a letter telling me to curb my roaming or be terminated - the only plus would be the termination would be ETF free. To be clear, the roaming agreement is 800 minutes OR a majority of minutes for voice and 300mb OR a majority of use. So even if you stay below 500 minutes, but they're all roaming you are still violating their terms.
If you call them today your problem should be solved, airave in hand, before the end of the week. If you have any trouble PM me and I'll try to help. Good luck.
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I forgot to clarify this in the op, I have had an airwave and it made texting impossible. I returned it a few weeks ago even though it was free.
Your other information about the data roaming was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!

revamper said:
I have found that PRL hack, and I do not want to use verizons 3g to prevent using too much data, especially since I have unlimited sprint 4g and wifi.
I am using roam control to force roaming.
I forgot to clarify this in the op, I have had an airwave and it made texting impossible. I returned it a few weeks ago even though it was free.
Your other information about the data roaming was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!
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same here.. no wifi=airrave useless.. thinking about sending that back and using the line to get another phone and just roam when i need to use the phone..
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No Questions Allowed in the General Section
No Questions Allowed in the "General Section"!!!
See Webpage Here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1279617
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OP is in Violation of official XDA Developer Rules of Conduct...
Sorry to be a rat, (and I think that NO ONE checks the Q&A section, so I think we should have the
Samsung Epic 4G Touch
> Epic Touch General & Questions
*****> Epic Touch General
*****> Epic Touch Questions
Rather it would be better to have them tabbed... General on one side, and Questions on the other....
But rules are rules...