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[Q] Stand Smart Slim Leather Case Cover

Anyone has this/tried it?
Stand Smart Slim Leather Case Cover
Looks pretty decent to me and i'm thinking of getting it, was wondering if anyone had any experience with it.

i ordered one, this week, i will report as soon as i get it!

I just did as well, the silver version ;D

How will the smart cover part of that case stay on the tablet when covering the screen?
It does look good, waiting for your reviews of this case.

I got the black one about a week ago..it takes 2-3 weeks for china stuff to arrive
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Lordwinkevin whats your review then? and what of the screen cover, does it "lock" in any way?

This is by far the best designed case you can get for the Tab10. All the other cases have ridiculously huge foot prints when in a stand mode.

The part of the case that covers the back looks cheap, seems there is a white colored plastic trim piece on it.
I would love to see some better quality pics of this case, the seller's pics are not revealing enough.

hmm i just ordered it couple of days ago... mine's shipping from HK... hopefully faster?

Ive had mine for over a week. This case is heavier than my tab! its essentially a cheap piece of plastic cover for the back and a microfiber suede material for the flap. Which is the heavy part ironically. It contains four pieces of some kind of heavy metal and a small magnet. Be carefull when closing it because I was scared that it might break my screen upon impact. And there isnt any way of it staying closed. It just flaps open if turned around. Ive already received a refund for mine. Now I just use the case as a weapon. The last thing a thief will think when I pull that thing out is that I will hurt him but honestly that **** hurts like hell, lol.

lfaria said:
Lordwinkevin whats your review then? and what of the screen cover, does it "lock" in any way?
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I meant i ordered it about a weeks ago and should be here in the next few days. I watched this video review though before buying it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1HZsCxImFs&sns=em

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I meant i ordered it about a weeks ago and should be here in the next few days. I watched this video review though before buying it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1HZsCxImFs&sns=em
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Just watched it, thanks for the link. Seem alright. Ill make a small review once i get mine.

So, any updates on this?

im waiting on mine as well...should come in any day now

Mine came in the mail today. I was going to do a youtube unbox but I have a crappy HP computer with windows 7 (no voice over in movie maker).
Anyway, I really like it like the case. It snaps on and off easily, has good cut outs and the plastic back adds a little stiffness to the tab. Love how light and thin the GTab is but it felt just a little too flexible. It also works well in portrait mode (how I use my tab most of the time) because it's foldable. It's more of a protector so I'm also using a Built 10 netbook sleeve that I picked up at staples for $10.

Cool, thx for the pics !
im still waiting on mine
Edit: Turns out it was waiting for me in the mail looks good, only thing is i asked for the silver one and i got the white, not really sure if i should complain or not, its not like im going to the "store" to return it hehe. Other then that, its cool and doesnt feel cheap at all

Just got mine today after seeing it discussed in this thread - glad I did, absolutely love it! Highly, high recommend this to anyone looking for a lightweight but durable case.

this cover looks beautiful with the tablet I think.

Hi guys,
Is the cover for the front able to stay closed, or is it not magnetic at all?
Im looking for a slim line cover/case and this looks nice, plus its an obvious apple cover rip off, which aint that bad.

leaskovski said:
Hi guys,
Is the cover for the front able to stay closed, or is it not magnetic at all?
Im looking for a slim line cover/case and this looks nice, plus its an obvious apple cover rip off, which aint that bad.
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It doesnt stay locked. It has magnets but it just barely reaches the top besel so it doesnt connect to it.
I've been using it for 3 weeks now, and i love it!

White Metal Bumper Review w/ Hex Screws

Not much of a reviewer here, but I ordered this from eBay about 2 weeks ago and it arrived today from China. Packaging was a bit strange and is advertised as a Flip Cover i9300. It comes with 1 driver for the screws which can be put on your keychain. 6 screws ( 4 for the phone and 2 extra on the driver ). The overall feel is pretty smooth. The paint seems a bit cheap and might chip easily over time. The buttons are a bit difficult to access.. thats my main gripe, but not near as bad as pressing really hard on the otterbox commuter. No dramatic signal loss that I can tell .. I benchmarked at -87 and with the case -95. Pictures behind the link to show it off in action. If you have any questions please post them here!
http://imgur.com/a/zM4nD#0

Thanks for the pics, I ordered the same case and am waiting for it to arrive. Glad to see the signal loss isnt too bad.
EDIT: Quick question, how is the padding inside the bumper. This was my main concern with buying one.

Looks nice but buttons look a bit mad. I got this
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=180924186125
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It's really nice and quite flush. I was a bit worried about the slide action but it sits tight. My 4th case so far.

I want to get one but i really do not see the point in buying one for two reasons..
1. The back bit of the phone is the bit i want to protect this doesn't keep it from getting scratched and stuff.
2. It's ugly lol..

Se23 said:
Looks nice but buttons look a bit mad. I got this
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=180924186125
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It's really nice and quite flush. I was a bit worried about the slide action but it sits tight. My 4th case so far.
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So you bought a fake Triobump. The real one gets real loose and flimsy. Doesn't speak much for the fake one.

Cbroph said:
Thanks for the pics, I ordered the same case and am waiting for it to arrive. Glad to see the signal loss isnt too bad.
EDIT: Quick question, how is the padding inside the bumper. This was my main concern with buying one.
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I'll take it out tonight and double check. I was so excited to get it on that I didn't even look at it that well. I'll check it out tonight.. I did contemplate looking into putting more in. I'll try and take some better pictures of it.

How do you push the buttons?

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How do you push the buttons?
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its a bit difficult if you have big fingers, but the tips of my fingers fit in there nicely.. its a bit harder than most cases.

bought the same one in black for my white s3. case is perfect fit for a pouch. previous smoke tpu case would always shut the phone off

would of bought it if it covered the buttons, so it would be easier to press. also, having a nice backplate would be nice, but i was thinking of just buying the white carbon fiber back

@chrischoi Never heard of triobump but we'll see how it goes
Just looked it up on YouTube and see your post.
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JayDieu said:
would of bought it if it covered the buttons, so it would be easier to press. also, having a nice backplate would be nice, but i was thinking of just buying the white carbon fiber back
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The bumper alone drops reception about 5db, adding a metal backplate would encase the phone in a faraday cage, thus drooping reception to 0. making it no longer a phone, be glad no-one has offered that, because anyone that bought it, would be wasting money.

wow i really like the look and shape of that metal bumper, I think it looks really nice!
I wonder if they have a version with buttons instead of holes.
I have a "fake triobump" without buttons, and its easy enough to use once you get used to it, I'd still prefer to have buttons for the cleaner look and ease of use.
the hex screw bumper with buttons would be perfect!
btw my "fake triobump" was slightly loose fitting at first, but it was very snug once i put on my screen protector and fake carbon fiber backplate (which also slightly recesses the camera :good I LOVE the fit and feel of this combination.

Meemo23 said:
I want to get one but i really do not see the point in buying one for two reasons..
1. The back bit of the phone is the bit i want to protect this doesn't keep it from getting scratched and stuff.
2. It's ugly lol..
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LOL the GS3 back is simple to replace and only $7 to get a new OEM one. I don't see a reason to add the bulk of a full case when I can just add a bumper to the part that's harder to protect.

Khomo Rubberized Texture S3 Back Cover Review

Just came across a review for the Khomo Back Cover

Interesting...
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Maybe...
Maybe this is what I have been looking for. Now I just have to find somewhere that can ship it to Sweden for a reasonable price.
Any tips?

I would so buy this if that logo isnt there. lol

^Yeah. Logo ruins this.

Xcor3 said:
I would so buy this if that logo isnt there. lol
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One major flaw, it leaves the camera lens exposed so that it can be scratched every time you put your phone down. Would need a quick Sugru mod.

It looks like you could rub the logo off

i bought this on amazon for $6.99 its not bad. was kinda my last resort as i was looking for something to match my pebble blue but theres nothing out there that did so i went for utility. its definitely has more grip than OEM but not by much. its a soft touch type material. fits just like an oem though. more rigid too
Beako said:
It looks like you could rub the logo off
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can,t already tried. i might try a sugar cube though(throwback to the RAZR days)
angie4u said:
looks nice but the material looks like it will attract dust like crazy.
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it attracts more scratches(superficial can be wiped away) than dust

Got my back in... Love it, minus the damn khomo across the bottom, it's perfect for me
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Manufacturers need to make more of an effort if they insist on stamping their logos on the back of their parts? Especially when the logo looks like it was designed in about 3 minutes by a 12 year old....

O.P! Check out my camera mod! Hope this can be useful with your rubberized cover.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1862307

Got the same battery cover myself. It doesn't provide more grip in all situations, but definitely provides more "feel" and less slippery than the original one as it's not gloss. What I mean by all situations is that most of the time I don't have a problem gripping the original gloss back, but it definitely becomes harder to grip (slippery) when my hands are too dry or have a little dust/dirt on them.
Every review and picture I've seen of this case has it fitting perfectly and snuggly like the Samsung original battery cover. However, mine is a little bit off. Seems the tolerance on the tabs are just a bit off and won't fit completely on my S3. Some of the corners won't 'snap' to latch and there's a noticeable gap along the edge. Doesn't feel like it will fall off but you can see it. I ordered through Amazon and will be returning this one to them. I did order the exact same case again from Amazon to see if the tolerance on that one is any better. If it fits well, I am definitely keeping it.
The case makes the phone feel more solid. There is no give/bending/etc on it at all when pressing along the back. Again the biggest complaint is the company logo. I've remedied this somewhat by darkening the logo with some flat black paint. I used a paint pen so it was pretty simple to do without it bleeding onto the rubberized part. You could probably do the same with a Sharpie to make the logo stand out less.

Would be really sweet to get my hands on 2 covers. Any tips on how to buy them or getting them transported to sweden?
Many thanks!

looks good

Backplate Replacement

So I've had the OF-7 for a few days now, and so far, my only complaint with the larger than normal ("Normal" being a Nexus 5 for me) screen size for me is the texture of the backplate. Its too smooth, and with the weight, it feels unsafe. I pre-ordered, so they sent me the flip cover which actually feels a lot better in the hand..
Unfortunately I take a lot of videos, so when the flip cover is open and I'm taking video, it gets in the way of the video. Does anyone know where I can buy another backplate that has a better texture to it than the stock smooth one? Thank in advance!

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So I've had the OF-7 for a few days now, and so far, my only complaint with the larger than normal ("Normal" being a Nexus 5 for me) screen size for me is the texture of the backplate. Its too smooth, and with the weight, it feels unsafe. I pre-ordered, so they sent me the flip cover which actually feels a lot better in the hand..
Unfortunately I take a lot of videos, so when the flip cover is open and I'm taking video, it gets in the way of the video. Does anyone know where I can buy another backplate that has a better texture to it than the stock smooth one? Thank in advance!
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I would wait until hard cases start coming out and just buy one.

migueldias94 said:
I would wait until hard cases start coming out and just buy one.
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Hard cases are all over on Ebay already...and nah I wanted a backplate replacement to keep the phone from getting to thick..

ZenithHammerhead said:
Hard cases are all over on Ebay already...and nah I wanted a backplate replacement to keep the phone from getting to thick..
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Well, the OnePlus is essentially the same device and its getting backplate alternatives, so we could see that coming to the Find 7 in the near future, but i don't know. Or maybe some third-party company starts to make them, like dBrand for example.

Do an Easy Cover Hack
ZenithHammerhead said:
So I've had the OF-7 for a few days now, and so far, my only complaint with the larger than normal ("Normal" being a Nexus 5 for me) screen size for me is the texture of the backplate. Its too smooth, and with the weight, it feels unsafe. I pre-ordered, so they sent me the flip cover which actually feels a lot better in the hand..
Unfortunately I take a lot of videos, so when the flip cover is open and I'm taking video, it gets in the way of the video. Does anyone know where I can buy another backplate that has a better texture to it than the stock smooth one? Thank in advance!
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I thought the same about the stock backplate. I loved the feel of the Easy Cover but I don't like flip covers. So I cut the flip part of the cover off. Just cut the flip part along the crease where it naturally folds over. Then, using a nice sharp pair of scissors, Trim the remaining faux leather so it is flush with the plastic edge underneath. The side with the volume rocker has the plastic underneath the faux leather extending past the side of the phone. Just use some sand paper to make it flush with the part that is indented to accommodate the volume rocker. I found that the plastic overhang was reducing faster than the faux leather. Just sand some of the plastic then use the scissors to cut it flush again and continue until the plastic overhang is gone and flush with the sides of the phone. Then you might want to rough up the plastic edge on the power button side. This makes both sides uniform and gives better grip. When everything looks nice and flush use a lighter to melt any frayed faux leather. It probably took me 30 mins because I was a little obsessed with making it look nice. The end result is that it's flush with the left and right sides. It doesn't look hacked together at all. The only asymmetry is that the side that had the flip doesn't have stitching. I've attached pictures. Hopefully it works since I have less than 10 posts.

Wow, that's really well done Doc!
Might have myself a little weekend project here.
I'm really waiting for a thin case like Spigen or Incipio make for the Galaxy series. Nice matte feel for better grip and very thin.

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Thnaks, I'm happy with the results. Almost everyone who I've shown my new telephonic smart device to has commented on how good the backplate feels. Give it a try. I'm not super craftsy or anything so anybody should be able to do it. The most tedious part was sanding down the lip on the volume rocker side. I used coarse grit sandpaper but if you had a rotary tool it would go much faster.
-Sent from my rooted, bootloader unlocked, overclocked Blendtec blender running Android 5.0 Lollipop

Finf 7 quad HD backlpate
ZenithHammerhead said:
Hard cases are all over on Ebay already...and nah I wanted a backplate replacement to keep the phone from getting to thick..
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The Find 7 Premium has the carbon fiber back-plate. That is suppose to feel more secure. Maybe you can get it already somehow from China.
I have been able to shoot video with the flipcover, ARe you sure you can't acclimate to it? It's also not a bad idea in the protection department.
If you tilt your phone to the right instead of the left and hold the cover closed from the bottom it's not too awkward (for me anyway).

The white back actually has a really nice texture and is not as slippery as the black one. I actually want to see about ordering a replacement but in black. I think it would look cool, black front, white middle molding and black back I hope they start to sell just the backs. I emailed Oppstyle about it. Hopefully they will sell me a black one

I have the white back and still thought it was a little too slippery. I bought a black Nillkin case and Nillkin glass screen protector. The case is a nice textured softouch plastic. It fits great does not add much girth and no more slipperiness. Looks great with white peaking through the speaker and camera cutouts.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nillkin-Mat...Cell_Phone_PDA_Cases&var=&hash=item4d1b84f4c2
The glass protector went on easy but I had a bubble that I could not get out. After 2 days the bubble went away with occasional rubbing. Glass feels great but shows fingerprint oil more than stock. I don't like the ear piece/sensor cut out, I would have preferred a separate cut out for each. Seems kind of stupid putting glass on to protect gorilla glass butt people always loved the glass protectors so I thought I would try it. Since the case and protector came to $19 together, what the heck, give it a try. Shipping from China to SoCal was about 10days..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/231192733607?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

I have this exact setup. Can confirm the glass is very nice and the case is much better than the eBay ones.
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gedster314 said:
I have the white back and still thought it was a little too slippery. I bought a black Nillkin case and Nillkin glass screen protector. The case is a nice textured softouch plastic. It fits great does not add much girth and no more slipperiness. Looks great with white peaking through the speaker and camera cutouts.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nillkin-Mat...Cell_Phone_PDA_Cases&var=&hash=item4d1b84f4c2
The glass protector went on easy but I had a bubble that I could not get out. After 2 days the bubble went away with occasional rubbing. Glass feels great but shows fingerprint oil more than stock. I don't like the ear piece/sensor cut out, I would have preferred a separate cut out for each. Seems kind of stupid putting glass on to protect gorilla glass butt people always loved the glass protectors so I thought I would try it. Since the case and protector came to $19 together, what the heck, give it a try. Shipping from China to SoCal was about 10days..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/231192733607?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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The Niklin glass SP doesn't has cut out for front camera.Would that have any impact for front camera usage?Intend to get one for myself.....

aw1007 said:
The Niklin glass SP doesn't has cut out for front camera.Would that have any impact for front camera usage?Intend to get one for myself.....
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Most people have reported that it has very little to no effect. I've barely used the front camera but I just looked at it and it looked fine to me.

Have anyone found a Place to order replacement back covers, I bought a midnight but would like to try the white and carbonfiber backcover to. Don't have the phone right now as I had to send it back to Oppostyle to get it replaced, but they still don't have any stock. Asked them about getting carbonfiber or white back covers, they checked with Oppo and they answered that they had no plans to sell back covers seperately.

fremar said:
Have anyone found a Place to order replacement back covers, I bought a midnight but would like to try the white and carbonfiber backcover to. Don't have the phone right now as I had to send it back to Oppostyle to get it replaced, but they still don't have any stock. Asked them about getting carbonfiber or white back covers, they checked with Oppo and they answered that they had no plans to sell back covers seperately.
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Kedros is doing a mass / bulk order of fake-carbon / third-party back covers over at the official oppo forums right now.
If you want to snatch a carbon look-a-like cover, or simply midnight / white spares, thats the place you got to go.
Kedros charges 4.80€ per cover + 1€ shipping (china international) + 5% paypal fees.
Don't think you will find it any cheaper elsewhere.

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Kedros is doing a mass / bulk order of fake-carbon / third-party back covers over at the official oppo forums right now.
If you want to snatch a carbon look-a-like cover, or simply midnight / white spares, thats the place you got to go.
Kedros charges 4.80€ per cover + 1€ shipping (china international) + 5% paypal fees.
Don't think you will find it any cheaper elsewhere.
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Ok, that sounds interesting, but I can't register on the oppoforums for some reason.

fremar said:
Ok, that sounds interesting, but I can't register on the oppoforums for some reason.
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Yeah for some reason I can't register through the web.
Use tapatalk and search for oppo, there you can register for an account

Same problem from tapatalk, it just opens the browser to register for me.

fremar said:
Same problem from tapatalk, it just opens the browser to register for me.
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I downloaded the app, and that's how I got an account in.

I would love one with a sandstone texture like the OnePlus One.

Accessories Dbrand Leather Skin

So this is what tan looks like for those interested. Absolutely awesome! THE PHONE DOES NOT SLIP AND IS COMFORTABLE TO HOLD NOW!
Cannot wait to see how it ages! Took about 15 minutes to install. But once you warm it up and rub the corners it looks GREAT!

Are you surprised that the natural leather was actually darker than they depicted on their website? Mine arrived today and I was surprised it's actually darker than I thought

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Are you surprised that the natural leather was actually darker than they depicted on their website? Mine arrived today and I was surprised it's actually darker than I thought
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I just ordered a black leather skin. While I was on the site, I accidentally discovered the time-lapse simulation of how the leather will look over time & it appears that it will lighten up w/use & aging.

lemonspeakerz said:
Are you surprised that the natural leather was actually darker than they depicted on their website? Mine arrived today and I was surprised it's actually darker than I thought
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Not really? I was hoping for a middle ground between the ta and dark brown leather so my expectations were blown away. I was MORE impressed by how well it stuck. Just a little heat from the hair dryer and some patience and it went right on. Only had to realign the large piece once and the small piece I nailed my first try. Not too bad for someone who shakes! Worth the money though.

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Not really? I was hoping for a middle ground between the ta and dark brown leather so my expectations were blown away. I was MORE impressed by how well it stuck. Just a little heat from the hair dryer and some patience and it went right on. Only had to realign the large piece once and the small piece I nailed my first try. Not too bad for someone who shakes! Worth the money though.
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I hear ya on the shakiness when trying to perfectly align the skins.... the more you concentrate on it, the worse it gets, LOL.
About a month ago, I bought a magnifying LED lamp from Amazon. I think I spent about $15 USD on it, has a fixed 3x magnification.
Best $15 I've spent in a while,I've wrecked a few skins along the way..... used it to install a skin on my Z-Flip 3 & I nailed it on the 1st try on both pieces. That phone is very unforgiving for even the slightest of misalignments,lends itself to skin peeling on the contoured edges if not perfectly installed.
That's one thing I like about the camera spanning across the entire width of this phone, it's the perfect edge aligning "cheat", only really having to concentrating on alignment on one axis.
Installing the leather skin on this phone should be a breeze, especially when using the magnifying lamp (ETA on the skin 12/8-12/9),I'll post some pix of the finished product, hopefully by weeks end.......

So I learned that is DOES NOT like a case...it tries to pull off the top skin when coming out. That's kinda lame to discover. It sticks right back on but I was hoping it would have more hold like the other skins but I assume the added thickness just grabs the lip of the case naturally...it sucks...because I am a mechanic...and my hands get dirty...so I use a case at work...

Gytole said:
So I learned that is DOES NOT like a case...it tries to pull off the top skin when coming out. That's kinda lame to discover. It sticks right back on but I was hoping it would have more hold like the other skins but I assume the added thickness just grabs the lip of the case naturally...it sucks...because I am a mechanic...and my hands get dirty...so I use a case at work...
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Yeah, eventually, the adhesive is gonna lose it's effectiveness w/this issue.
I currently have a textured skin from SopiGuard installed that is thin enough to survive case removal w/o the edge peeling.
I have two minimal cases that I use,I'm hoping that they won't peel back the edges as you're experiencing. One has an open design on the top and bottom:
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This one has relief cuts in all four corners, to facilitate ease of removal:
Amosry Compatible with Google Pixel 6 Pro Case, Drop-Resistant, Shock-Proof, Friction-Resistant,Thin and Light, for Google Pixel 6 Pro (Black)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09JNGMS5C/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_navT_g_K3STMBNEM8ZXF22PH
My leather skin will arrive on 12/09/21,will be posting pics over the weekend.
Also, I'll follow up in about a week or so with results, as to if I experience any peel-back with case removal.

Gytole said:
So this is what tan looks like for those interested. Absolutely awesome! THE PHONE DOES NOT SLIP AND IS COMFORTABLE TO HOLD NOW!
Cannot wait to see how it ages! Took about 15 minutes to install. But once you warm it up and rub the corners it looks GREAT!
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Really does look good ... I just ordered one as well ... hope the installation is not too fnickery ;-)

Gytole said:
So I learned that is DOES NOT like a case...it tries to pull off the top skin when coming out. That's kinda lame to discover. It sticks right back on but I was hoping it would have more hold like the other skins but I assume the added thickness just grabs the lip of the case naturally...it sucks...because I am a mechanic...and my hands get dirty...so I use a case at work...
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My experience is identical to yours, this skin is not going to play nice with using a case.
Two things are in play here:
1) The thickness of the material.
2) The curved edges.
I used the hair dryer trick to get the curved edges to adhere & it's just not happening.
The cut on the skin is too blunt, it should have been taper cut, or, a thinner skin that would be more pliable to adhere to the edges.
YMMV & I hope others have a better experience than mine, but, based on my use, I'd recommend sticking w/a traditional skin, or, if you really want leather protection, go with a leather case.

Gytole said:
So this is what tan looks like for those interested. Absolutely awesome! THE PHONE DOES NOT SLIP AND IS COMFORTABLE TO HOLD NOW!
Cannot wait to see how it ages! Took about 15 minutes to install. But once you warm it up and rub the corners it looks GREAT!
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I bought a black leather skin from Gadgetshieldz and it looks better than this brown skin, this is also affordable than Dbrand so I bought it.

Here is mine after I messed up putting on the whitestone dome

I recently cancelled my order with Dbrand. They dinged me with a $5 cancellation charge for a product that was on back order.
After sales service is horrendous.