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Samsung are beginning to roll out the fix for the volume bug. https://twitter.com/#!/SamFirmware/status/140471495288823808
Any more info, like a date, when to expect the update?
Oh, wait, it's Samsung, so it will arrive "anytime soon", which means "by the end of November", which actually means "maybe November, but definitely in December"...
Nice, I should have my Nexus by Tues or Wednesday then.
Interesting it's a radio update, not Android or anything lower level.
How will the fix be delivered? direct to the handset via update or USB?
Too bad they don't seem to have a link to it.
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How will the fix be delivered? direct to the handset via update or USB?
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OTA to the handset.
Once someone gets the OTA - they can pull it from a logcat and get the URL - then anyone can download apply without waiting for their IMEI to be flagged to receive the update.
Hm, but this doesn't seem to be an official Twitter account / Website of Samsung.
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Hm, but this doesn't seem to be an official Twitter account / Website of Samsung.
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It isn't. But they have good sources.
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Interesting it's a radio update, not Android or anything lower level.
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How do you know it's radio only update?
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How do you know it's radio only update?
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because it's referencing an increment to the baseband version, and not mentioning anything about an Android version number.
that being said, we don't know what's going to happen yet...
let's see.
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How do you know it's radio only update?
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Because the name of the update is the name of the baseband,not Android.
I am pretty sure it will be more than just the radio, P3Droid tweeted on the 22nd about ICL52 and Adnroid 4.2 with a new baseband.... When though Samsung??!!
We were told the ICL53b update contained the fix, no mention of the baseband version. I can try to get more info but its a holiday weekend here so no idea if i will be able to reach him.
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I am pretty sure it will be more than just the radio, P3Droid tweeted on the 22nd about ICL52 and Adnroid 4.2 with a new baseband.... When though Samsung??!!
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surely its google, not samsung... as a Nexus it is pure android so will come straight from Google and not via samsung
Whyt_e said:
surely its google, not samsung... as a Nexus it is pure android so will come straight from Google and not via samsung
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As has been proven the bug occurs when the phone is in the bootloader, so it's nothing to do with Android.
The patch needs to be at a hardware level, so it will be firmware update. That comes from Samsung, not Google.
It might be the case that the patch for this particular problem was developed by Samsung but it'll still be released by Google not Samsung. So we are waiting for both but ultimately it'll be Googles decision when to push it. At least that's my understanding of the update process of a Nexus phone.
some people in this thread need to remember a few things:
1) Nexus handsets are made as a collaboration between Google and whoever the chosen manufacturer is.
2) Google push all unbranded Nexus updates, not the manufacturer.
in the case of this update, it will likely be pushed as an update to Android anyway - I have never seen a baseband change come through to an Android handset without it being with an incremental update to Android.
I've got to the stage when I don't care who does what - all I want is an update so that the phone is usable. I suspect many early adopters think the same.
I agree mate. I don't care if apple make the fix. For me this weekend staying in London my phone was unusable in certain parts. Grrrrrrrr
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Hey guys.
I have a Gnex and I don't have the latest firmware. Its 4.0.2 and my friend has 4.0.3. Strange. Someone told me there is a Samsung updated nexus and a Google updated nexus. I got this phone specifically for the Google experience and knowing I get updates well, as soon as they come out. So what the go Google? Haha.
Anyone know what the go is here?
Thanks.
4.0.2 is the latest OTA firmware. Your friend has a custom ROM if he's got anything higher.
If you're curious, download this simple app: https://market.android.com/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate
This app tells you "where" your OTAs are coming from. It should be noted that Samsung ones will only be a couple weeks behind the Google ones, so it depends how worried about it you are (most people worry too much). Either way you'll always be up to date and won't be left behind for having a non yakju build.
That being said, if you want to go to pure yakju from yakju**, it is extremely easy. There are bundles of guides and videos showing you how to accomplish this. Just read up on it first, please.
Thanks heaps for your reply. = )
Argh ok. But he hasn't touched his phone he said at all, he's pretty android savvy so I'm a little confused. As in no rooting just pure stock nexus rom.
So you can make your phone "Google" if its "Samsung"??
Well that's good news, if you decide to do so. = )
Sorry.... A really noob question but I'm guessing yakju is Google's stock rom? Just haven't heard that before. Haha.
Thanks.
Yep, yakju is the stock Google image
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4.0.2 is the latest OTA firmware. Your friend has a custom ROM if he's got anything higher.
If you're curious, download this simple app: https://market.android.com/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate
This app tells you "where" your OTAs are coming from. It should be noted that Samsung ones will only be a couple weeks behind the Google ones, so it depends how worried about it you are (most people worry too much). Either way you'll always be up to date and won't be left behind for having a non yakju build.
That being said, if you want to go to pure yakju from yakju**, it is extremely easy. There are bundles of guides and videos showing you how to accomplish this. Just read up on it first, please.
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I used that app and it says the product name of my device is "mysid".
I don't recall seeing this anywhere else. Says that my phone is updated by Google with the approval of Verizon, but where did this name come from?
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mysid is the LTE branch of ICS from Google.
Helmet321 said:
Thanks heaps for your reply. = )
Argh ok. But he hasn't touched his phone he said at all, he's pretty android savvy so I'm a little confused. As in no rooting just pure stock nexus rom.
So you can make your phone "Google" if its "Samsung"??
Well that's good news, if you decide to do so. = )
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He is also a pretty savvy liar if you believe him
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mysid is the LTE branch of ICS from Google.
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Thanks. Now I'm not as ignorant.
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Thanks. Now I'm not as ignorant.
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Yes sorry. Yakju vs yakju** refers to the GSM models.
Oh ok cool. I'll test that out ASAP. I couldn't find the app on the MP last I searched. Maybe have to DL it onto my PC first then throw it on the phone.
I spoke to my friend the other day and he indeed has only 4.0.2.
I thought it was a little strange. He had it before me though, that's what had me confused.
Helmet321 said:
I spoke to my friend the other day and he indeed has only 4.0.2.
I thought it was a little strange. He had it before me though, that's what had me confused.
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Even if you both have the same model phone with the same software in the same location, you don't necessarily both get the OTA at the same time. Its always a staggered roll-out.
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Even if you both have the same model phone with the same software in the same location, you don't necessarily both get the OTA at the same time. Its always a staggered roll-out.
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Ohhhh I see. Fair enough.
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martonikaj said:
4.0.2 is the latest OTA firmware. Your friend has a custom ROM if he's got anything higher.
If you're curious, download this simple app: https://market.android.com/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate
This app tells you "where" your OTAs are coming from. It should be noted that Samsung ones will only be a couple weeks behind the Google ones, so it depends how worried about it you are (most people worry too much). Either way you'll always be up to date and won't be left behind for having a non yakju build.
That being said, if you want to go to pure yakju from yakju**, it is extremely easy. There are bundles of guides and videos showing you how to accomplish this. Just read up on it first, please.
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I found the app, and mine is Samsung. = ( Not stoked...
I have a speaker poping issue that almost everyone has but it couldn't be from this could it? I mean its just the update path, same phone, software, hardware and when the updates do arrive, there identical right?
A quick one aswell, is there a specific way to get it Google? Could I be a pain and ask for a little direction? Sorry! There's just so many, as you said.
Thank you!!
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I have a speaker poping issue that almost everyone has but it couldn't be from this could it? I mean its just the update path, same phone, software, hardware and when the updates do arrive, there identical right?
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The updates are slightly slightly different. No one has really figured it out but the idea is that there wouldn't be separate regional versions if they were the exact same. Some of the differences are simply different radios.
A quick one aswell, is there a specific way to get it Google? Could I be a pain and ask for a little direction? Sorry! There's just so many, as you said.
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I used this guide, it will walk you through it. All of the guides are pretty similar. Honestly the biggest hassle is getting working drivers to have the phone properly recognized by the computer. I spent 50min getting drivers to work and 5min actually flashing it.
The basic premise is downloading all of the stock images, recovery, radio, etc. from Google then flashing them all appropriately.
I suggest you read up on this first and decide if its what you want to do before you go with it. Understand your risks and rewards. I'll tell you up front that this process 100% wipes your device (as you'd expect it would).
Hey,
Thanks for all that man, its all becoming well, a little clearer. = )
What about the poping issue? Do you think its relevant? I have another thread on this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1490335
So it is sort of a bit of an unlock / root isn't it? Haha.
Helmet321 said:
Hey,
Thanks for all that man, its all becoming well, a little clearer. = )
What about the poping issue? Do you think its relevant? I have another thread on this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1490335
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I have no idea if it's software or hardware related, sorry.
So it is sort of a bit of an unlock / root isn't it? Haha.
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No rooting. Just unlock and flash all of the stock images. If you ever intend to root again then don't relock the bootloader when you're done. Unlocking wipes the device and you won't wanna deal with that again just for deciding to root.
Oh OK. I see.
Thanks for your time and patience man, much appreciated.
I may wait until there's a big reason to do so. I really hope they roll it into one, that would be a smart decision in my opinion anyway. Haha.
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Google, I hope you're reading/listening to this:
It kind of irritates me that I bought this phone for the "Pure Google Experience" only to find out its not really that "True" experience with all these different regional builds.
People are on 4.0.2 for over a month now I believe, yet we Canadian users, as well as many others across the world are still on 4.0.1 and have been duped into believing the "Galaxy Nexus" is a true Google device. Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. My yakjuux build from what I hear is updated from Samsung, not by you, and that irritates me.
Sure, I can flip over to yakju myself, but really, why should I have to do that??a
I mean is it so hard for Google to do, what the likes of Microsoft has been doing for many, many years? That is make one build, let's call it base yakju, then through the initial install process, ask the user what region/carrier/language/radio he/she has and have the unit download the "region packs" accordingly??
The dreaded Microsoft doesn't sell 15 different "regional versions" of Windows, its the exact same build, but with language packs that are set up after the initial install process.
That way everyone gets an update at the same time, in this case, by you Google not by Samsung, as it is believed is happening with my phone (although unconfirmed because we haven't received an update yet!)
Anyway, there are many that will say you can do it yourself, and while this is true, one shouldn't have to. Nor should we have to wait for updates as a regional build when the "original" yakju builds get updated quickly.
I'm coming from a Galaxy S, and I stated I will never buy a carrier build phone again because of fragmented updates across the world, of which Canada never seemed to get one... I said I'm going pure android. That is why I bought the Nexus.
Unfortunately, its starting to feel like the exact same experience.
Sorry if this bothers someone. That was not my intention.
Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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You've heard wrong.
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Oretoise said:
Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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Its a matter of principle for some people.
And you have to unlock your bootloader. You can relock it after of course.
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Google, I hope you're reading/listening to this:
It kind of irritates me that I bought this phone for the "Pure Google Experience" only to find out its not really that "True" experience with all these different regional builds.
People are on 4.0.2 for over a month now I believe, yet we Canadian users, as well as many others across the world are still on 4.0.1 and have been duped into believing the "Galaxy Nexus" is a true Google device. Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. My yakjuux build from what I hear is updated from Samsung, not by you, and that irritates me.
Sure, I can flip over to yakju myself, but really, why should I have to do that??a
I mean is it so hard for Google to do, what the likes of Microsoft has been doing for many, many years? That is make one build, let's call it base yakju, then through the initial install process, ask the user what region/carrier/language/radio he/she has and have the unit download the "region packs" accordingly??
The dreaded Microsoft doesn't sell 15 different "regional versions" of Windows, its the exact same build, but with language packs that are set up after the initial install process.
That way everyone gets an update at the same time, in this case, by you Google not by Samsung, as it is believed is happening with my phone (although unconfirmed because we haven't received an update yet!)
Anyway, there are many that will say you can do it yourself, and while this is true, one shouldn't have to. Nor should we have to wait for updates as a regional build when the "original" yakju builds get updated quickly.
I'm coming from a Galaxy S, and I stated I will never buy a carrier build phone again because of fragmented updates across the world, of which Canada never seemed to get one... I said I'm going pure android. That is why I bought the Nexus.
Unfortunately, its starting to feel like the exact same experience.
Sorry if this bothers someone. That was not my intention.
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Agreed on all points! Google, sadly, is becoming a an organization that lacks focus in its endeavors.
I also come from a galaxy s and i have a yakju, international gsm, carrier free.
When i first heard that vodafone pt would have galaxy nexus carrier locked for sale, i thought right away that that couldnt be a good thing, so i went and ordered a sim free international version even more certain that what i needed was the one where no carrier touched, only Google. That worked out fine. There was no yakju variants known at the time, october or early november last year.
The move about dropping support on cdma devices was not so good, but thats on the carrier and lte fw.
Edit: re read op, and it seems he has a carrier unlocked phone.
If you wanted to escape regional builds, you should ask yourself why they exist. Different basebands for example, you probably are aware of this since you're from Canada.
I dont care about otas and etas, as long as source is available. Thats why i bought it in the first place.
Yes I can't believe why Google is allowing this. The nexus doesn't seem like a nexus now- it's just a phone that is unlockable.
It is the same case for me in Hong Kong. I finally decided not to flash yakju but to start using ROMs the second week I bought the phone.
Google needs to change this policy. They aren't going to let the nexus get more and more out of hand and less Google! As we Hongkongers like to say, give us back the "Google son"!
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greeced said:
It kind of irritates me that I bought this phone for the "Pure Google Experience" only to find out its not really that "True" experience with all these different regional builds.
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How could there be no regional builds when people in the world don't even speak the same language?
Sorry for my sarcasm, but you get the idea. We have different networks, systems, AC power plugs... the list goes on and on. Just look at what 'X' means in different countries.
But I agree that they can do a lot more to make it easier.
Google has always held the belief that the Nexus line is for developers. It is for the most part a stock platform for which a developer can test their products on. However, Samsung and the carriers have mass marketed the phone as a consumer phone. It really is not and the Nexus brand has changed forever.
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Eventually, google/samsung have to please the carriers that are selling the phone, else they won't want to carry it.
how do i know what region my gnex is frmo?
zeekiz said:
Eventually, google/samsung have to please the carriers that are selling the phone, else they won't want to carry it.
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This is true only in the us. The rest of the world has working GSM networks and thus freedom from carrier dictated nonsense.
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Oretoise said:
Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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You're missing the point of his post.
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josteink said:
This is true only in the us. The rest of the world has working GSM networks and thus freedom from carrier dictated nonsense.
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But then you are looking at the fact that they then have to supply smaller retailers with the handset, which also means they would have a lower scope of user adoption, as well as the cost of additional advertising.
By pleasing selected network providers, it ensure that the handset is in the hands of not just enthusiasts, but also the general user. The handset will have a higher adoption rate due to the higher availability, as well as the network providers will be more proactive in advertising the phone, overall this not only increases profits, but saves money by relying on the front end to advertise to attract users.
Business is business at the end of the day.
HRodMusic said:
how do i know what region my gnex is frmo?
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https://market.android.com/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate
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https://market.android.com/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate
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wow thank you kind sir!
so i guess im yakju, thats the good one right? does that mean my phone is not canadian?
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wow thank you kind sir!
so i guess im yakju, thats the good one right? does that mean my phone is not canadian?
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LOL. Read the app man. If it says "updated by GOOGLE" then you're good.
Its not about being Canadian vs. not. More like 100% stock Google vs. 99% stock Google.
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You've heard wrong.
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You do NOT need to unlock boot loader to flash yakju, from personal experience.
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LOL. Read the app man. If it says "updated by GOOGLE" then you're good.
Its not about being Canadian vs. not. More like 100% stock Google vs. 99% stock Google.
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yea, its just i got my phone off craigslist, ive always wondered were it came from, over seas, or from my canadian neighbors =D
btw whats your speeds like in bellingham?
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You're posting on XDA and hope Google reads this?
I'm just happy that we have access to the latest ICS versions (through ROMs and AOSP). If I have to flash them instead of getting OTAs, then so be it. I can live with that.
I am 100% sure we are much better off than those still stuck on Gingerbread, Froyo, Eclair and even Donut. We and the Nexus S crew are still the first to get our hands on ICS, which we've been able to enjoy over the past 4 months whilst everyone else has to wait patiently. We'll also have first dibs on Jellybean too
Is it ideal that we already have version fragmentation on ICS? Not really, but considering the baseline version recommended for mass use hasn't seemed to have surfaced yet, I wouldn't really consider that a problem. Once that's out in the wild, I would expect most people will get OTA'd to the latest version and all will be well.
Regional builds MAY get it slower due to Samsung handling the OTAs, however I think they only did this to offload some of the pressure of single-handedly applying a global update. Even though my Nexus was shipped as yakju, I do hope Sammy pulls their finger out and updates the regional builds as fast as Google will.
Hello everyone,
I am just a bit confused on what version of Galaxy Nexus receives the direct google updates. Which version should I look for?
Thanks!
binarydrummer said:
Hello everyone,
I am just a bit confused on what version of Galaxy Nexus receives the direct google updates. Which version should I look for?
Thanks!
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You should have the Yakju build in order to get the OTA's from Google.
Yakju.
Check with this app if you're lazy: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate
Slow updates from Google
Then it seems that Google is very slow to push out newer updates since 4.0.4 exists and talk about 4.0.5 has already started.
My Galaxy Nexus is on 4.0.2 and is set to get updates direct from Google, it kinda defeats one of the main points of getting a Nexus device that being getting updates faster than non nexus devices regardless of carrier.
I'd prefer to keep my device stock for the time being, thoughts?
Would you prefer the alternative of updates that break more than they fix?
If you think people complain now, imagine how much they would if that happened.
4.0.4 exists AS A TEST.
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Would you prefer the alternative of updates that break more than they fix?
If you think people complain now, imagine how much they would if that happened.
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Unfortunately that already did happen with yakjuux three weeks ago.
Has there ever been a way to confirm this silly rumor?
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Unfortunately that already did happen with yakjuux three weeks ago.
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Which makes me wonder who is building the yakjuxx builds.
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Has there ever been a way to confirm this silly rumor?
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How about that hundreds of Canadians took to the web reporting that immedately after 4.0.2 was released their market app started crashing. The fact that NFC options disappeared from settings at the same time. The crash reports posted here and elsewhere. The seven page thread here on xda. The news reports on various sites. The bug report on code.google.com. The fact that the update was pulled just 48 hours after rollout and hasn't been re-released. All that silly evidence confirms the 'rumour'.
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Which makes me wonder who is building the yakjuxx builds.
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No one knows who does the coding, testing, or certification procedures for either the yakju or non-yakjuux builds. Somewhere between Google and Samsung.
Google handles Yakju. They said it themselves. However yes, they are being quite elusive about the variants.
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Then it seems that Google is very slow to push out newer updates since 4.0.4 exists and talk about 4.0.5 has already started.
My Galaxy Nexus is on 4.0.2 and is set to get updates direct from Google, it kinda defeats one of the main points of getting a Nexus device that being getting updates faster than non nexus devices regardless of carrier.
I'd prefer to keep my device stock for the time being, thoughts?
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Yeah, be patient and wait for the official update. 4.0.2 is the official build for GSM.
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Why am I waiting on VZW for 4.0.4? I understood (or misunderstood) the Nexus line to get their updates directly from Google. This played a significant role in my decision to go with the Galaxy Nexus. So, what changed? I'm sure the Nexus One got updates direct from Google...didn't it? Also, I noticed a couple VZW branded uninstallable apps preloaded on it...why is there ANYTHING non-Google preloaded if it's "Pure Google?"
Man, I must have misunderstood something.
Because you are too lazy to root your phone?
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Because you are too lazy to root your phone?
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+1. Root it & put 4.0.4 on it yourself. Eff vzw.
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There wasn't a CDMA Nexus One, so yes it got its updates from Google.
This is actually nothing new, nothing has changed. Its been the exact same with the NS4G on Sprint. Verizon has closed-source radio code that they have to add themselves and test before sending it out. THAT is why you're waiting for Verizon.
As for the apps, just disable them and stop crying. Its the same deal, if a phone is gonna be on Verizon it's gonna have those apps.
If it bothers you that bad, buy a GSM model.
This has been argued/explained at length in many threads, blogs, podcasts and posts.
CDMA Nexii are slightly different. They get updates sent from Google to the carriers(ie Sprint and Verizon). GSM Nexii on the other hand, get updates directly from Google. It was known for a while now that this was the case, which means you didn't do your research.
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Because you are too lazy to root your phone?
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Shouldn't have to.
Anyway, it's clear that VZW is incapable of responsibly having a Nexus phone in their lineup. I hope they don't get one ever again unless Google manages to get some leverage on them like Apple does.
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Anyway, it's clear that VZW is incapable of responsibly having a Nexus phone in their lineup. I hope they don't get one ever again unless Google manages to get some leverage on them like Apple does.
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Apple doesn't have any special leverages over carriers for OS updates when compared to the Nexus. They need Verizon's proprietary code and testing just as much. They need the same with AT&T and Sprint.
We just don't get any leaks on iOS updates, and Apple only releases an iOS update when its ready for everyone. They don't release iOS earlier for their unlocked models because they want to release it for everyone at once. It'd be the exact same deal if Google held the update for everyone and didn't push it till Verizon was done.
And you're right, he shouldn't have to root his phone. If he wants to wait he can wait and he'll get the OTA when its pushed to everyone on the Verizon model. Rooting isn't the only way to get the OTA. It does come w/o rooting if you wait.
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Shouldn't have to.
Anyway, it's clear that VZW is incapable of responsibly having a Nexus phone in their lineup. I hope they don't get one ever again unless Google manages to get some leverage on them like Apple does.
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Like mentioned earlier VZW still customizes android with radios and bloatware. So despite the newest Google android releases for GSM deices VZW still tinkers with the latest version goes through a testing phase then pushes it to end users eventually. The beauty of a Nexus phone is user freedom to customize and use roms with ease. Quit waiting on Big Red, take your phone back flash the latest software yourself.
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Like mentioned earlier VZW still customizes android with radios and bloatware. So despite the newest Google android releases for GSM deices VZW still tinkers with the latest version goes through a testing phase then pushes it to end users eventually. The beauty of a Nexus phone is user freedom to customize and use roms with ease. Quit waiting on Big Red, take your phone back flash the latest software yourself.
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VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.
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VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.
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what you stated here and was really my trying point is that veriosn needs to approve the software including the 2 to 3 apps and radios before the push to users ... i don't think anyone can deny that verison's version isn't true nexus
the only real nexus's are the Yakju/Takju builds ... which any gsm version could be converted to
zephiK said:
VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.
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They are updating what binaries they can provide, so don't be so sure they won't be updating images. Your definition of a true Nexus and mine differ.
VZW Galaxy Nexus still gets updates directly from Google. It just has to be put under review/testing from Verizon before it gets pushed.
Plus, who actually depends on the OTA? You're on XDA after all.
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zephiK said:
VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.
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The radios are handled by Qualcomm/Verizon. It's a "true" nexus device. It meets all the criteria. Just because it gets a .0.1 revision update a week later (or whatever it was) doesn't mean ****. Seriously? Gonna cry of a couple small bug fixes? As to the CDMA binaries not being available, talk to Qualcomm, they made most of the binaries/radios.
You may not have to wait much longer. Vzw started to push 4.0.4 (Imm76K) last week.
It's in the Vzw Dev forum if you don't want to wait and don't mind unlocking and rooting
You guys are really proud of rooting your phone. Sounds like you need something bigger in your life. I ask a few questions and suddenly I'm lazy & crying. Really, if this is big enough to get upset over, then you need to lay off the internet a little. Go find something worth getting upset over.
No one is upset. In the time it took creating this thread and replying to posts, you could have rooted and been on 4.0.4. I think that's the point everyone's trying to convey.
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meganame said:
You guys are really proud of rooting your phone. Sounds like you need something bigger in your life. I ask a few questions and suddenly I'm lazy & crying. Really, if this is big enough to get upset over, then you need to lay off the internet a little. Go find something worth getting upset over.
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No need to meet harshness with harshness.
Its obvious you're upset about this whole thing or you wouldn't have created a thread about it. You need to just decide what's important to you, read up on it, and if you find you don't want to "wait for Verizon" then I'll tell you again to buy a GSM model.
keith.mcintyre26 said:
No one is upset. In the time it took creating this thread and replying to posts, you could have rooted and been on 4.0.4. I think that's the point everyone's trying to convey.
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Ah, well those words conveyed it better.
keith.mcintyre26 said:
No one is upset. In the time it took creating this thread and replying to posts, you could have rooted and been on 4.0.4. I think that's the point everyone's trying to convey.
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Not really helping... I think what he's trying to get people to understand is that he shouldn't have to root to get the OTA. And all people on XDA do is say "shut up noob, just root your ph0n3".
OP, whether you like it or not this thread is going to turn into a nasty, nasty flame war in a couple pages. Sorry.
martonikaj said:
Not really helping... I think what he's trying to get people to understand is that he shouldn't have to root to get the OTA. And all people on XDA do is say "shut up noob, just root your ph0n3".
OP, whether you like it or not this thread is going to turn into a nasty, nasty flame war in a couple pages. Sorry.
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Its true.
They should really stress the fact that XDA is a development site and not Verizon support forums.
Seriously though, you came on XDA and posted this thread. You could've rooted, unlocked, and flashed 4.0.4 by now.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA
martonikaj said:
Apple doesn't have any special leverages over carriers for OS updates when compared to the Nexus. They need Verizon's proprietary code and testing just as much. They need the same with AT&T and Sprint.
We just don't get any leaks on iOS updates, and Apple only releases an iOS update when its ready for everyone. They don't release iOS earlier for their unlocked models because they want to release it for everyone at once. It'd be the exact same deal if Google held the update for everyone and didn't push it till Verizon was done.
And you're right, he shouldn't have to root his phone. If he wants to wait he can wait and he'll get the OTA when its pushed to everyone on the Verizon model. Rooting isn't the only way to get the OTA. It does come w/o rooting if you wait.
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Apple most definitely has leverage over carriers. If they didn't, you'd see bloatware on subsidized iPhones & updates being pushed at different times. Leaks don't matter because Apple makes their beta iOS builds readily available to those enrolled in the iOS development program.
A lot of fandroids don't want to admit that there ARE benefits to being a control freak, especially when you're one of the richest and most famous companies in the entire world. Apple doesn't order VZW around, but you can be damn sure that VZW doesn't order Apple around either. VZW telling Apple what changes they want made to the OS? LOL, not going to happen.