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WP7s on HD2 - Is it possible?

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So I'm wondering what the concensus is. Are we going to see this or not?
The official word is obviously that there will be no upgrade for the HD2, but people seem to have hope in the community here. I'm not much of a dev/hacker to know for sure, so I'm wondering what you guys think...
The issues I'm hearing are:
Hardware buttons
GPU
On-board storage
Upscalling
The hardware buttons are obviously a non-issue. And from what MS is saying, despite not being able to swap out memory cards, SD storage can be used by OEMs to supplement on-board storage. But I dont know about the GPU and upscaling. Are these built in to the HD2 already? Is the upscaling a hardware or software issue? Are these things a deal breaker??

This would be most excellent if so,I just picked up a HD2 last night and even though I am back to edge speed ( which is not a real issue for me,lots of wifi around.) I LOVE THIS PHONE !!!
Man this thing is making me giggle like a school girl.....

I don't see anyone NOT putting it on there, especially when it hits America (If it hasn't already that is)
HOWEVER, i highly doubt you will want to use it. THey are going the iphone route. NO more File explorer and open source and multi tasking. All the things that made WinMO popular are apparently disappearing.
Disappoints me really. I jumped on the Android train. My first PDA was a dell X50

Bababooey said:
This would be most excellent if so,I just picked up a HD2 last night and even though I am back to edge speed ( which is not a real issue for me,lots of wifi around.) I LOVE THIS PHONE !!!
Man this thing is making me giggle like a school girl.....
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just wondering, why didn't you wait till the 24th to get the one from T-Mobile so you'd have 3g?

pgiuoco said:
just wondering, why didn't you wait till the 24th to get the one from T-Mobile so you'd have 3g?
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that's what im doing, 4 more days! cannot wait to get my hands on this beast!

All because of $$ !!
M$ want more developer to developes more app and game for WP7S, in order to do that, u need to convince developer that they can make $$ for the app. Currently it is to easy to get craXXk app for WinMo.
M$ learnt the good idea for iPhone by locked down the system so u can only purchase from App Store. By doing these, M$ will stand good chances to complete will iPhone (Gen 4) in the future.
My only wish is : Hopefully M$ don't be hash on XDA, cos i believe XDA will make something interesting from WP7S for HD2 ... i believe.

Althought I'm glad others are showing interest, I was hoping to make this a technical discussion around the facts of whether it can or cannot happen. And maybe at this point the answer is "we dont know." But hopefully we'll get more answers in time...

I think the question is not whether or not the HD2 will receive the upgrade to 7. Officially or unofficially, I think its just a matter of time. May not be as soon as youd like, but I't will get there. Its more a question of how relevant the HD2 will be be the time win7 is made available to it. Also, will there be able to be some kind of dual boot option available. The way 7 is shaping up, I'm not too enthused about only having 7. I would use 7 for gaming, social use, and winMo 6.5 when I'm looking to get my hands dirty.

Is it a Tomtom icon we can see? is the old version or is tomtom already developpe a new one in Sylverlight?

AFAIK that image is simply a skin over the top of WM6.5 rather than WM7s, so it is a current tomtom app

chansthename said:
AFAIK that image is simply a skin over the top of WM6.5 rather than WM7s, so it is a current tomtom app
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No, that image was published on winmo.nl during the Barcelona unveiling of WP7, long before any WP7 skins were created.
Right now it looks like it was either fake (just an HD2 showing a WP7 picture on its screen) or an early development version of the OS, not destined to ever be released on the HD2.
Winmo.nl claimed the TomTom app worked fine on WP7, possibly because 'tomtom was already preparing their software for WP7'.

saints5354 said:
M$ learnt the good idea for iPhone by locked down the system so u can only purchase from App Store. By doing these, M$ will stand good chances to complete will iPhone (Gen 4) in the future.
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It'll probably be iPhone 5g before WP7 will be any threat. iPhone 4g is probably coming out in June/July, a few months before WP7 is even out.

Though the HD2 is a fantastic device and loved by anyone (incl myself) who lays their hands on it, you can't help but feel somewhat bitter that a device of such magnitude is just going to be ANOTHER HTC phone almost solely kept alive by xda-developers.
You can see MS's reasoning. You can love the sheer beauty of the HD2. But Jesus - think of the potential going to waste and how it comes across to consumers who hear 'hey, your device is outdated already'. Consumers that haven't even got the device available in their country yet.
One word - Flash. THAT'S reason enough to be at least a little pissed off as an HD2 user.
A joke, it is - but in XDA I trust.

unfortunately, HD2 doen't support WM 7, WM7 only support 3 solid buttons, no more, no less....
HD2 has 5 solid buttons, so...give up to upgrade to WM 7

If the HD2 has a WP7 test build running on it somewhere at HTC and it gets leaked the HD2 should easily get an unofficial upgrade but if that doesn't happen it won't be easy.

bestfan said:
unfortunately, HD2 doen't support WM 7, WM7 only support 3 solid buttons, no more, no less....
HD2 has 5 solid buttons, so...give up to upgrade to WM 7
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You're clearly new to this part of town...

camera hardware button is also a requirement...

an interesting key i found on my T-Mobile HD2 HKCU\ControlPanel\Keybd\WM7KeybdLayout.

Very strange indeed

I'm pretty sure hardware keys would be irrellivant to getting this on the phone.
My understanding of the key requirements are based upon the chassis version been used with WP7. I think these are basically stipulated purely for the user experience Microsoft are trying to give and not software limitations.

I won a WP7 phone!!!

Sadly, I won't get it til general availablity and I don't know which phone. Microsoft peeps are still being cagey with it. The guy wouldn't even let me take a pic of a LG WP7 device even though it's been all over the internet already. The only real new info I've gleaned is that they will support basic exchange policies like pin unlock and remote wipe. Still going to try and fenagle some more info out of them.

WTH? Congratulations!!

cool can i have it?

Congrats!.........

Depending on what they say, I might just get a HD2. The WP7 device is supposed to be general availability and they might make devices available before then and I'm not willing to wait.

niceeee
thats lucky and awesome!

Remember to colaborate with XDA and help WP7 become more awesome .

Windows 7 phone is dead before the official release

cgigate said:
Windows 7 phone is dead before the official release
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After having seen it in person, the whole OS is rather impressive. While it may not on paper be the #1 phone OS, it is rather good and will put up a good fight. Oh and they've only shown off around 70% of the OS's features. More positive info will come to light as we near launch.

RustyGrom said:
After having seen it in person, the whole OS is rather impressive.
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Did your opinion change for the better? I may be wrong, but I recall you were pretty negative about it.
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Oh and they've only shown off around 70% of the OS's features.
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Do you know this from seeing the features or is it what you think will happen?

vangrieg said:
Did your opinion change for the better? I may be wrong, but I recall you were pretty negative about it.
Do you know this from seeing the features or is it what you think will happen?
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I think I've always been relatively positive about the new OS. While some of the new restrictions are annoyingly restrictive, I don't think it'll be a problem for us. In one of the sessions today they showed off how devs will be able to unlock phones and it was just a desktop app that talks to the store. I can easily see this app being modified to just not talk to the store but I'm betting there will need to be more done than this. So while I still wish MS would open up the dev platform more, I somewhat respect the decisions they've made and I don't think it will be hard for the rest of us to have phones we can do as we wish with.
It was stated earlier in the week by one of the members of the WP7 team that only 70-80% of the OS had been shown off up to this point. However, after going hands on with a device for a while today, I didn't find much that we haven't seen yet. The whole thing is fluid and is super intuitive. It really is a joy to use. So I'm not sure how much is left to unveil but it seems rather useable today. But none of the WP7 guys that I talked to are using it full time yet so that's kind of telling.

nice... congrats... HD2 is still better looking then any of the WP7 phones we've seen... the only one that beats it is the prototype images of HD3 made in photoshop lol... dell lightening comes close, but hw keyboard kills it as well... just get the HD2, then u'll have to option of running 6.5 or android (90% possible so far) and prolly even wp7 when it comes out since it conforms to all specs ...

Pics or it didn't happen!

Jeeze. Necro thread!
I ended up deciding to wait for a WP7 device. The HD2 they had was a european model and couldn't do 3G here. A smartphone without 3G is useless. So I wait til October like everyone else. But at least it will be free.
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drownage said:
nice... congrats... HD2 is still better looking then any of the WP7 phones we've seen... the only one that beats it is the prototype images of HD3 made in photoshop lol... dell lightening comes close, but hw keyboard kills it as well... just get the HD2, then u'll have to option of running 6.5 or android (90% possible so far) and prolly even wp7 when it comes out since it conforms to all specs ...
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Not all the specs, AFAIK the chipsets in the HD2 do not conform to all the hardware specs that Microsoft has made for Windows Phone 7 compatibility. Things like the hardware image scaler for example are not present in the HD2, nor is support for hardware acceleration of the VC-1 codec.

Turn-by-Turn directions, Voice to text, Bing Audio/Vision all coming to WP7 Mango

No Sure if anyone follows wpcentral.. but still wanted to share this..
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We kept emphasizing at MIX11 that the information revealed there was geared for developers, not so much consumers and that we expected more details to come forward over time. Combined with the fact that Mango/WP7.5 is not yet finished nor finalized, it's feature-set is still in motion but becoming more solid as we get closer to it going 'Gold'.
On the Windows Phone Developer Podcast, a plethora of new features were announced that will really bring Windows Phone up to par with the competition:
Bing Audio: Think Shazam, but built into Bing and we bet of course Zune Marketplace. Country support is initially limited to the U.S., Great Britain, France, Italy, Spain and Germany.
Bing Vision: A full blown image scanner using your camera. It can detect, identify and search using barcodes, Microsoft Tags, QR Codes, CD’s, DVDs, Books, and text using OCR (see here for history)
Turn-by-turn navigation: “voice guidance during driving directions” (we heard about this awhile ago)
SMS Dictation: Using Microsoft's TellMe service, you can use voice-to-text for SMS messages by tapping a microphone near the bottom
According to Paul Thurrott, who detailed the above, there's a lot more to the podcast, so take a listen. And your thoughts in comments: does this change things?
Source:
http://www.wpcentral.com/turn-by-turn-directions-voice-text-bing-audio-vision-all-coming-wp7-mango

abhinayp said:
No Sure if anyone follows wpcentral.. but still wanted to share this..
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We kept emphasizing at MIX11 that the information revealed there was geared for developers, not so much consumers and that we expected more details to come forward over time. Combined with the fact that Mango/WP7.5 is not yet finished nor finalized, it's feature-set is still in motion but becoming more solid as we get closer to it going 'Gold'.
On the Windows Phone Developer Podcast, a plethora of new features were announced that will really bring Windows Phone up to par with the competition:
Bing Audio: Think Shazam, but built into Bing and we bet of course Zune Marketplace. Country support is initially limited to the U.S., Great Britain, France, Italy, Spain and Germany.
Bing Vision: A full blown image scanner using your camera. It can detect, identify and search using barcodes, Microsoft Tags, QR Codes, CD’s, DVDs, Books, and text using OCR (see here for history)
Turn-by-turn navigation: “voice guidance during driving directions” (we heard about this awhile ago)
SMS Dictation: Using Microsoft's TellMe service, you can use voice-to-text for SMS messages by tapping a microphone near the bottom
According to Paul Thurrott, who detailed the above, there's a lot more to the podcast, so take a listen. And your thoughts in comments: does this change things?
Source:
http://www.wpcentral.com/turn-by-turn-directions-voice-text-bing-audio-vision-all-coming-wp7-mango
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This will push WP7 over the top. It will ensure a dominant system once the tides change. The more MS can do for WP7, the better. I always preferred the Bing nav in WinMo 6.5 and if this TbT for WP7 will be Bing, outstanding.
Eventually Apple and Android will be playing catch-up to WP7. That's how good a system MS has with WP7.

this has also been featured in WMPoweruser.com
new mango features
it is also stated in the article that it is for the meantime a rumor since since ms hasnt divulged nor confirmed any of it.
hope this is sure to come in the mango update.

Now if this is true, this - in combination with all the other goodies Mango's gonna come up with - will bring WP7 at least on par with iOS. And Android, if you leave Android's openness aside. I'm looking forward to it, and I hope Mango will really be released before the end of the year.

There isn't any "if" here afaik - this is coming

FiyaFleye said:
There isn't any "if" here afaik - this is coming
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I hope so. But as long as Microsoft hasn't confirmed any of these features, I'll consider them rumours.

Will there be multi-tasking too?

brysonwong said:
Will there be multi-tasking too?
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That has already been shown on the MIX11 event. So yes, it will.

moonshines said:
this has also been featured in WMPoweruser.com
new mango features
it is also stated in the article that it is for the meantime a rumor since since ms hasnt divulged nor confirmed any of it.
hope this is sure to come in the mango update.
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Not too keen on WMPowerUser, it comes across as less professional than WP Central.

It's an enthusiast site. Professionalism doesn't really come into it. I welcome anyone who spreads WP7 news.

So when the Mango developers tools come out * rumored for end of may right?* is it just to test softwares in the emulator or can you load it onto your phone? if so will all these features plus the ones talked about on mix 11 be readily available? anyone know?

hamzie said:
So when the Mango developers tools come out * rumored for end of may right?* is it just to test softwares in the emulator or can you load it onto your phone? if so will all these features plus the ones talked about on mix 11 be readily available? anyone know?
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According to winphonesupport there is nothing official that a pre mango release will be rolled out to developer unlocked devices. So I think the tools will only be usable with the emulator.

MartyLK said:
This will push WP7 over the top. It will ensure a dominant system once the tides change. The more MS can do for WP7, the better. I always preferred the Bing nav in WinMo 6.5 and if this TbT for WP7 will be Bing, outstanding.
Eventually Apple and Android will be playing catch-up to WP7. That's how good a system MS has with WP7.
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that last bit.... mark your calendars for may 2012, when android and ios take notice.... or sometime out there.

dkp1977 said:
According to winphonesupport there is nothing official that a pre mango release will be rolled out to developer unlocked devices. So I think the tools will only be usable with the emulator.
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Ah alright. Thanks
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http://www.liveside.net/2011/05/09/...s-revealed-messenger-in-people-hub-confirmed/ talks about integration of messenger

HERE is another update regarding the new features that are rumored to be in mango...
excerpt from the wmpoweruser additonal mango features article:
part from the older revealed features, here are the new ones.
East Asian Language Keyboard, Handwriting and Dictionary Support
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More tight Skydrive Integration in Office hub. Document types will be differentiated by colors.
Messenger Support in People Hub: You will be able to chat with your contacts right within the people hub through Windows Live Messenger.
if these rumors are true, then i guess (my opinion only) WP7 is the OS to beat.

hamzie said:
Ah alright. Thanks
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well going on what was said at mix and a few other sites have reported it that developers will get a mango image to install on their test devices..

The tiles in Office Hub for documents need to go. What the hell is wrong wiht a list with icons. This wastes too much space. But other than that it looks like it'c coming around well, too bad it's so far off still...
Microsoft needs to grow their user base now. GSII already has 3Mil+ Pre-orders...

nothing matters if the update comes in too late--if ever, for early adopters. and for the most part, the shout-out features of mango are still playing catch up with other OS's.
don't get too excited until your phone's updating.

This is why I chose WP7! The fall can't be any slower.

weatherx said:
nothing matters if the update comes in too late--if ever, for early adopters. and for the most part, the shout-out features of mango are still playing catch up with other OS's.
don't get too excited until your phone's updating.
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Agree. I think people tend to forget what we'll have had to use for a year before Mango even touches our phones.

Anyone Else Considering Going Back to Android?

I've been an WP7 advocate since it first appeared Q1 2010 and has avidly followed it up until I finally bought my HD7 back in Dec 2010. I love my device and the simplicity behind the OS, but there's a lot lacking. While the marketplace is booming with activity, there's still little developer support because of its you product life and I feel mango is launching a little late. In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that. And is the sole reason I will be switching back to android for a short minute until WP7 matures into something like this: The Early Concepts of WP7
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A lot of hardware has launched with Android at the heart and its harder and harder to not acknowledge that. Just look at the Samsung Galaxy S2.
This is not to be a troll thread, and all I'm merely asking is anyone feeling like me.

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In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that.
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I can deny that.
Further, I don't understand what those concepts feature that today's WP7 lacks. The ability to read email and answer phone calls?
This is absolutely a troll thread.

First you say this...
krjcook said:
I've been an WP7 advocate since it first appeared Q1 2010...
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But then you follow it with this...
krjcook said:
In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that.
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I can and DO deny this preposterous statement. WP7 has some shortcomings right now, but none of them are severe enough to prevent me from using and liking the phone. It is FAR from "abysmal".
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Could have fooled me.

iOS and Android set the trend now Windows Phone 7 is refining it. Look at Mango... the things they've added...its not bolt ons, its not widgets or workarounds its deeply integrated things that have been well thought out and implemented. The Zune Software is a great example of this too and often gets overlooked. iTunes is an abhorrent mess, and Google well, you've got to search 3rd parties for something that provide the services that should be a core part of the operating system.
Wp7 is worth the wait. I spent way too much time messing around with android to get things working as they should.
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Schismal said:
I can deny that.
Further, I don't understand what those concepts feature that today's WP7 lacks. The ability to read email and answer phone calls?
This is absolutely a troll thread.
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I had a feeling someone would jump off the deep end and come at aggressively with the troll remarks. Look me up on Xbl: keenancook , I have WP7 gaming achievements because I own the HD7. But anyways, those pics were show what WP7 may have in the future and why I'm still considering the OS. But WP7 lacking a lot:
Applications, application, applications. WP7 is just lacking, time is what it needs and how many people are willing to wait.
Big Dev's aren't paying too much attention
Main System Menu is BLAND
Too Much Scrolling Just to get where I need.
Marketplace needs revision.
Having to Wait For Features.

As much as I like Android for what it is, I will never go back to that abysmally fragmented OS and half-baked feel. I can wait for Mango, which is bringing 80-90% of the features I wanted, and will see a huge surge in applications with all the new API's released.
wp7 UI is infinitely better than anything else out right now for me, and you add Mango to that, and I am very happy.

so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...

sHAYM4N said:
iOS and Android set the trend now Windows Phone 7 is refining it. Look at Mango... the things they've added...its not bolt ons, its not widgets or workarounds its deeply integrated things that have been well thought out and implemented. The Zune Software is a great example of this too and often gets overlooked. iTunes is an abhorrent mess, and Google well, you've got to search 3rd parties for something that provide the services that should be a core part of the operating system.
Wp7 is worth the wait. I spent way too much time messing around with android to get things working as they should.
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I completely agree about Zune, I've been using it since I first got my Zune 30. Its the MultiMedia Playback Software both visually and from a performance standpoint, Itune/DoubleTwist lags on my PC.
But my problem isn't with Zune, its WP7. Am I the only one who's sick of all the poorly developed apps by amateurs, because the professionals aren't interested? Tired of waiting for a decent banking app? Where my Wachovia App? What about my Onstar App? Wtf is up with the expensive pricing or XBLA games? I would love to play Cut the Rope, how long do I have to wait for that? Free Turn by Turn GPs is coming, but only in 2D, with no orientation, How long do I have to wait for that?

munkeyphyst said:
so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...
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my thoughts exactly

munkeyphyst said:
so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...
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Obviously you just don't get it. You CAN'T like it for what it is, because it "is still an abysmal OS". Didn't you know that??

krjcook said:
Tired of waiting for a decent banking app? Where my Wachovia App? What about my Onstar App? Wtf is up with the expensive pricing or XBLA games? I would love to play Cut the Rope, how long do I have to wait for that? Free Turn by Turn GPs is coming, but only in 2D, with no orientation, How long do I have to wait for that?
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You don't have to wait for any of those things. Go buy an Android today, and boom! You're there. You can't have it both ways, though. You can't buy into a fledgling ecosystem and then act betrayed by the fact that it isn't as mature as one that has existed for years. That is a naive and immature reaction.
As for the apps you are clamoring for, many weren't possible with the APIs that have been available to developers. Microsoft realized this, and just this week released a new developer kit that includes over 1500 new APIs, which will cause the marketplace to expand at a much more rapid pace in the coming months.

Nokia to show off a “new market disrupting device” on June 21st

Saw this being discussed on another forum and thought people here might be interested in this.
http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/06/15/nokia-to-show-off-a-new-market-disrupting-device-on-june-21st/
You couple this upcoming announcement with the below tweet
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I sure hope we see a big Nokia WP7 reveal next Tuesday.

I ready to have my socks blown off! We need some fast, powerful, beautiful phones for WP7. I'm sick of seeing nice hardware with a crappy OS. See Android.
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Looking forward to next Tuesday. Unless they really drop the ball, Nokia will be my next Windows Phone this Christmas .

pittphan said:
\We need some fast, powerful, beautiful phones for WP7.
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I'm not too concerned about powerful - but I do want it to use the new hardware, as it will be more battery efficient.

I just hope they dont do something stupid and reveal a meego device which I think there is a chance of them doing as Stephen Elop has said they will only announce a handset when its close to launch, and June seems to be a way off from Mango's Fall release.

An N8 quality phone with WP7 Mango running on it would blow my socks off. Or the concept phone with all the different colours would too.
Anything else less would merely them down, not blow them off.

I'm skeptical because "market disrupting" is what they have always called their non-Windows Phone research efforts. I have my doubts that we will see a Windows Phone on Tuesday, but we'll see.

I hope it isn't a smartphone priced $0 on contract . . . because it's not like we haven't see enough of those.

If its the size of the hd7 but with a good screen, I'm in.

I'm sure it wont be CDMA.....because Verizon sucks.

sure haven't said:
If its the size of the hd7 but with a good screen, I'm in.
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just need a "candy bar" like HD7 with good screen , i am too... even i am having HD7 right now.

What I worry about is....
1)is it a meego handset?
2)the price of nokia wp7 handset.They have been losing market share for years,and they seldom or never adopt a Qualcomm or TI processor in their own handset....what they are using is processor from broadcom....
Therefore,do they got enough negoatiating power or bargaining power to get a lower price of processor from Qualcomm(bulk purchasing??who knows?this depends on how nokia judge the potential of wp7) and this same goes to the other parts as well...
Lets wait for next week and see the real show...

Market disruptive :
$99 no contract WP7 device
New meego device that is also cost effective.
Only things that could be market disruptive from Nokia.

what is needed big time i mean HUGEly big time with these wp7 devices is a memory card slot that users can swap around freely without cracking the damn device open.
give me a +1 someone
ps. i love the the htc hd7 so much i have 2..... just coz

vetvito said:
Market disruptive :
$99 no contract WP7 device
New meego device that is also cost effective.
Only things that could be market disruptive from Nokia.
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while a $100 phone would be neat, it wouldn't be disruptive. make it an IPHONE for $100, without a contract and yea, you'd have a hard time selling -anything- else. apple could do it, take a loss on the initial unit and make it up on all the payments from att/verizon/tmo that have to be made in order for them to get an iphone to offer.
oh wait... that almost sounds possible. hmm
an android or wp7 phone for a hundred clams would just be another phone. blah.

I hope Nokia does come through with something spec heavy, just to convince these other manufactures to get the ball rolling.
Sent from my Samsung Focus

I hope we see a metal crafted/high quality phone as their first device. They can bring out low end devices later.

tiny17 said:
I hope we see a metal crafted/high quality phone as their first device. They can bring out low end devices later.
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+1 on that

efjay said:
I just hope they dont do something stupid and reveal a meego device which I think there is a chance of them doing as Stephen Elop has said they will only announce a handset when its close to launch, and June seems to be a way off from Mango's Fall release.
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You may be exactly right efjay
Annoucement

nicksti said:
You may be exactly right efjay
Annoucement
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Great. What a stupid move, making a fuss over 1 device after saying WP7 is going to be their main smartphone OS. Why dangle this in front of people at all and distract them from their eventual WP7 devices? Guess Elop was all talk....