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HTC will have a NFC device after their HTC sensation/evo3D as for the Incredible 2 we wish it did.
If the Incredible 2 had 4G and NFC I'd jump on board this phone the first day.
since we're on the topic..whats NFC
Near field communication. For mobile payments. Your phone is your wallet.
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songoghon said:
Near field communication. For mobile payments. Your phone is your wallet.
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since we're on the topic..whats NFC
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On Qwiki - quick video definition
http://www.qwiki.com/q/#!/Near_field_communication
On Youtube - long explanation and uses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49L7z3rxz4Q
Not sure why anybody cares about NFC. It's not going to be supported by the merchants. Just a new fad, just like MasterCards old paypass chips in cards, which almost all the big merchants rejected and it was a complete disaster. There is a reason its taking so long to get NFC technology out.
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Not sure why anybody cares about NFC. It's not going to be supported by the merchants. Just a new fad, just like MasterCards old paypass chips in cards, which almost all the big merchants rejected and it was a complete disaster. There is a reason its taking so long to get NFC technology out.
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Yeah, because we all know that Google doesn't influence anything.
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Not sure why anybody cares about NFC. It's not going to be supported by the merchants. Just a new fad, just like MasterCards old paypass chips in cards, which almost all the big merchants rejected and it was a complete disaster. There is a reason its taking so long to get NFC technology out.
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From my limited research it looks like Europe and East Asia have been using this technology for a few years and it seems to be catching on. So, as with most mobile technology North America is just behind again...
when Apple release NFC in their iPhone (next year) sadly suddenly everyone and their mom will want one :/
Credit cards and other devices embedded with RFID was a complete failure, not because no one would adopt it due to being a gimmick, but because it was extremely insecure. I could steal your credit card information from across the street if you had a card with it. The US government attempted to use RFID in passports, which was also a security disaster (who remembers the story of a postal working scanning mail for passport RFID tags?). RFID is an always on technology. It's not really always on, but the chip receives power from radio communication as it's being read and has no off switch nor any real security schemes. BTW, if you have an American passport with RFID, put that thing in the microwave for a few seconds if you want to secure your identity while using it
What makes NFC different is it's not always on like RFID is. Additionally, while it can be used to work with RFID technologies, it can also be secured through encryption, and information being used through it can be limited. This is why NFC is slowly catching on. If you want to pay using NFC, you launch app and place device near scanner.
NFC is probably a couple years from going full speed into full adoption in the US, but it is being used pretty heavily in some countries already.
If you have a non-NFC enabled phone and want one, there will be microSD cards available with the NFC built in.
There is one by DeviceFidelity and Netcom has one that they are currently working on.
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Hi,anybody knows?
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No.
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Well that seals the deal for me. NFC support was (pretty much) the only reason to perform the OTA upgrade from Froyo to Gingerbread. Guess I'll stay with my AlphaRev-rooted version of Android OS for the foreseeable future.
- Dave
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Not sure why anybody cares about NFC. It's not going to be supported by the merchants. Just a new fad, just like MasterCards old paypass chips in cards, which almost all the big merchants rejected and it was a complete disaster. There is a reason its taking so long to get NFC technology out.
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I use the VISA Blink all the time, I love it. Don't even have to remove my card from my wallet. South Korea and Japan have been using NFC payment systems for a while, and I think it's about time they brought it here. I'd use it. Google said something about releasing an NFC patch at some point so that Google Wallet can be used on all phones, and I'll definitely be getting on that.
A fad?
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Not sure why anybody cares about NFC. It's not going to be supported by the merchants. Just a new fad, just like MasterCards old paypass chips in cards, which almost all the big merchants rejected and it was a complete disaster. There is a reason its taking so long to get NFC technology out.
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It looks like it's catching on and becoming more than a fad.
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It looks like it's catching on and becoming more than a fad.
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Keep in mind that this thread is from 2011.
One of the main selling points of the Galaxy Nexus for me is NFC. Contactless payments are starting to pop up everywhere here in London, and when Apple releases an NFC-enabled phone I'm sure progress will be increased massively.
Anyways, my question is whether it is possible to use the NFC of the Nexus to scan my RFID building entry card, save the details as a profile and then emulate the card in order to get me into the building using just my phone?
Is there any software like this? Would it even be ethically sound to release such software?
From my understanding, this is possible. However, I would imagine the data on your building entry card would have some sort of encryption.
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One of the main selling points of the Galaxy Nexus for me is NFC. Contactless payments are starting to pop up everywhere here in London, and when Apple releases an NFC-enabled phone I'm sure progress will be increased massively.
Anyways, my question is whether it is possible to use the NFC of the Nexus to scan my RFID building entry card, save the details as a profile and then emulate the card in order to get me into the building using just my phone?
Is there any software like this? Would it even be ethically sound to release such software?
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Card emulation is not part of the SDK and not currently available.
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Gutted. Would have been handy
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It's not possible for a very simple reason Nexus or any other NFC enabled phone cannot read a Visa PayWave or Mastercard PayPass card just like that. They are encrypted and they will transmit the decrypted information only after receiving correct signal from an authorized terminal. I tried it with my Visa PayWave card and all apps are tried say that it's encrypted and they cannot read it. Then I did some research and it turns out that it can only be read by an authorized reader, which makes a lot of sense for security reasons. So to enable NFC payments your bank would need to create an application for the phone,which would emulate the card, just like Google Wallet does. You can't just read a card and use it.
Btw yes you can use the Google Wallet on the Galaxy nexus,and pay with either the Google pre-paid card or you can register a City card if you are in the US and you happen to have one
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Damn, that sucks!
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It's not possible for a very simple reason Nexus or any other NFC enabled phone cannot read a Visa PayWave or Mastercard PayPass card just like that. They are encrypted and they will transmit the decrypted information only after receiving correct signal from an authorized terminal. I tried it with my Visa PayWave card and all apps are tried say that it's encrypted and they cannot read it. Then I did some research and it turns out that it can only be read by an authorized reader, which makes a lot of sense for security reasons. So to enable NFC payments your bank would need to create an application for the phone,which would emulate the card, just like Google Wallet does. You can't just read a card and use it.
Btw yes you can use the Google Wallet on the Galaxy nexus,and pay with either the Google pre-paid card or you can register a City card if you are in the US and you happen to have one
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I'd like the same thing. Being able to use my phone to open the doors at work would be fantastic.
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I'd like the same thing. Being able to use my phone to open the doors at work would be fantastic.
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I hope you didnt mean physically. And no i would not like those encrypted badges with the capability to be on my phone. Consumers have given enough power as is to corporations. I dont need X corporation having legal rights to track my whereabouts every breath i take becuse their encryption is on my personal OR work phone. No dice.
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None of the NFC reader apps that I have tried to use on my Galaxy Nexus can read my smartcards (office doors, public transport card etc). It's a shame ICS doesn't support it but at least now I know why it hasn't been working.
The Samsung Galaxy S2 currently has that. My colleagues use their SG2s to open doors and pay at the office canteen. They can also use them to pay on the public transport system. I presume the NFC smartard emulation is a feature currently in Gingerbread that will eventually come to ICS.
The update that will eventually push ICS to the SG2 must contain NFC smartcard emulation otherwise the users will lose this existing feature.
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I hope you didnt mean physically. And no i would not like those encrypted badges with the capability to be on my phone. Consumers have given enough power as is to corporations. I dont need X corporation having legal rights to track my whereabouts every breath i take becuse their encryption is on my personal OR work phone. No dice.
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What on Earth are you talking about? Give power to corporations? Take your liberal soapbox to another forum, plz.
I'm talking about at *MY* work. All of the doors except the front are locked on our building during business hours. The only way to unlock them is to use an employee badge, which utilizes an RFID tag. Being able to have that tag stored on my phone would be an immense help, since I wouldn't have to remember to take my badge out of the car. I can't tell you how many times I've walked across the parking lot before realizing I left the badge in my car.
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None of the NFC reader apps that I have tried to use on my Galaxy Nexus can read my smartcards (office doors, public transport card etc). It's a shame ICS doesn't support it but at least now I know why it hasn't been working.
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This depends entirely on the card itself and how it's encoded. Most likely it's an RFID tag that is either not HF (13.56 Mhz) or it's not using the Standard/NDEF read/write keys (in the case of the Mifare tags).
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The Samsung Galaxy S2 currently has that. My colleagues use their SG2s to open doors and pay at the office canteen. They can also use them to pay on the public transport system. I presume the NFC smartard emulation is a feature currently in Gingerbread that will eventually come to ICS.
The update that will eventually push ICS to the SG2 must contain NFC smartcard emulation otherwise the users will lose this existing feature.
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Gingerbread doesn't do card emulation either. Google has stated in their NFC talks that there are various reasons NFC Card emulation isn't present - one being a lack of a standard.
If it's done on the SII then it's either an addition within the Touchwiz frameworkork (addition of known communication protocols and local storage of card info) or the tags they are using are NDEF (in which case NDEF Push works fine).
Exactly what im talking about. Do you thonk your building management or x corporation is going to say suuuure let us put that on your phone so easily and skip all the other security that needs to go along with that now since it is now digitally accessible on an easy to hack phone? Get a grip. I have 4 badges and about 30+ keys and and about 15 elevator access keys. If a badge or certain key is lost you gotta thrlugh procedures. Hopefully nothing that involves gloves but still. If a certain key is lost all the locks gotta get changed if a badge is lost or cloned, a badge can be deactivated but if theyre constantly being cloned, manipulated or bypassed then other/greater security measures have to be used or taken out. So no i dont want a stinking badge on any of my phones.
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If it's done on the SII then it's either an addition within the Touchwiz frameworkork (addition of known communication protocols and local storage of card info) or the tags they are using are NDEF (in which case NDEF Push works fine).
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You are surely correct. I am speaking about SG2s distributed within South Korea (where I am currently working) and, being a captive market, Samsung can easily adapt the Korean Touchwiz (or even the hardware of the Korean SG2s) to make it possible.
Actually, I have confirmed with people that the public transport NFC is not working with the SG2 but rather with the USim card (integrated NFC) that is given to them via SK Telecom and KT Telecom etc).
My Nexus can read my university's smart card without any trouble(using NFC TagInfo). And I use it to open doors to rooms with restricted access. So I guess it would be possible to emulate it,but I have no idea how to do this.
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My Nexus can read my university's smart card without any trouble(using NFC TagInfo). And I use it to open doors to rooms with restricted access. So I guess it would be possible to emulate it,but I have no idea how to do this.
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So how did you get your phone to open doors etc, did you have to ask your security team to enable something on the phone?
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So how did you get your phone to open doors etc, did you have to ask your security team to enable something on the phone?
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I believe he's referring to the fact that the card is used to open secure doors.
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My Nexus can read my university's smart card without any trouble(using NFC TagInfo). And I use it to open doors to rooms with restricted access. So I guess it would be possible to emulate it,but I have no idea how to do this.
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It reads mine too and mine has a pin. Might try and test it tomorrow at work
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So how did you get your phone to open doors etc, did you have to ask your security team to enable something on the phone?
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I believe he's referring to the fact that the card is used to open secure doors.
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Yes, I meant that I use my card to open doors, not my phone
Did I understand that right: My Galaxy Nexus can read/write some NFC-Tags, but due to the lack of software protocols has no access to all of them?
I'm quite interested in NFC technology, so naturally I tested an ID card (was recognized) and my chip for the time tracking in the office (was not recognized, but is 13.56 MHz). So my question is – is this "just" a software issue or are there hardware limitations?
When I bought my Nexus, one of the main attractions was NFC. Sure, Google Wallet is pretty cool, but the novelty is wearing off. I don't have any real uses for NFC tags. And I only know one other person with a Nexus, so Beam is pretty much useless.
One of the benefits of NFC that I was hoping for was card emulation. I thought I'd be able to head to my school, get the access keys for our RFID cards and then emulate this with my Nexus so that I could open the doors and buy food with my phone - no need to remember the card anymore.
However, upon further reading, it seems that Google won't be allowing us to emulate cards freely. Maybe I've interpreted my findings incorrectly but... it looks like this is the reason why there aren't any emulation apps for Android other than bloody Wallet.
Card emulation is probably the biggest attraction of NFC - instead of carrying around all the diffeent ID cards for the buildings you enter, they can instead be stored on your phone.. It's not like Google Wallet will raise awareness of NFC, since Google seem to be trying their hardest to make sure that it fails (incredibly slow roll out, even for Google).
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I don't have any real uses for NFC tags.
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For you, there is no point.
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Card emulation is probably the biggest attraction of NFC - instead of carrying around all the diffeent ID cards for the buildings you enter, they can instead be stored on your phone...
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It would be great if this can be implemented. However,
I don't know if NFC can communicate with existing RFID Card readers
There might be a security risk if copying and using RFID cards from your phone is easy
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When I bought my Nexus, one of the main attractions was NFC. Sure, Google Wallet is pretty cool, but the novelty is wearing off. I don't have any real uses for NFC tags. And I only know one other person with a Nexus, so Beam is pretty much useless.
One of the benefits of NFC that I was hoping for was card emulation. I thought I'd be able to head to my school, get the access keys for our RFID cards and then emulate this with my Nexus so that I could open the doors and buy food with my phone - no need to remember the card anymore.
However, upon further reading, it seems that Google won't be allowing us to emulate cards freely. Maybe I've interpreted my findings incorrectly but... it looks like this is the reason why there aren't any emulation apps for Android other than bloody Wallet.
Card emulation is probably the biggest attraction of NFC - instead of carrying around all the diffeent ID cards for the buildings you enter, they can instead be stored on your phone.. It's not like Google Wallet will raise awareness of NFC, since Google seem to be trying their hardest to make sure that it fails (incredibly slow roll out, even for Google).
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Simulate the card means you have to decrypt the card first.
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Honestly, that sounds like a horrible idea. I definitely wouldn't want anybody to be able to just pick up one of my security/credit cards, emulate it, and use it to their hearts content at all
Besides, I believe most of those types of cards have proprietary api's for communicating / validating. Visa, for example, wouldn't just make their api available to anybody so that you can go out and clone other people's cards.
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Honestly, that sounds like a horrible idea. I definitely wouldn't want anybody to be able to just pick up one of my security/credit cards, emulate it, and use it to their hearts content at all
Besides, I believe most of those types of cards have proprietary api's for communicating / validating. Visa, for example, wouldn't just make their api available to anybody so that you can go out and clone other people's cards.
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I understand that my first post was quite long, but you (and the two people who replied before you) didn't fully read it.
I'm not proposing that we allow people to be able to duplicate cards willy-nilly. Like I mentioned, I have the access keys to my school's system. You need the access keys to be able to read data from cards like these, so if some random person with a Nexus found your door card, they wouldn't simply be able to dupe it. They'd need the access keys, which I had to get from the IT department.
Well, that's my basic understanding of how it works anyways.
You could just tape your card to the back of your phone; nothing extra to carry.
Incredibly pessimistic rant that is extremely unique to you imo.
Google wallet is more about the convenience than a short-lived novelty item like a 'magic 8-ball'
Beam is nice additional feature and I dont think Google were expecting it to change lives!
Custom NFC tags are whatever you want them to be! Maybe you need to be a bit creative and tinker around with them?
Overall what you want out of NFC (which was never advertised as a feature anyhow so I don't know why your so disappointed) would have security implications and I think its better off we don't have this feature!
Disable it or sell the thing on?
The proper way to do this is to go to your school or the people who run your card readers and ask them to support an Android app. Being able to clone a card is a very bad idea for the reasons mentioned (and would be a horrible security flaw in any card system), but nothing is preventing NFC-based card systems from creating an app that will allow you to register your phone instead of a separate card. This is essentially what Yale Locks is doing.
I'm working on a android beam client for PCs. You need an nfc reader of course.
If anyone is interested, I can release it in a few weeks.
The OP has a point though. It's up to the NFC tag to implement security itself. The Galaxy Nexus cannot emulate tags but you can be sure there are devices that do (even nfc-forum.org mentions that feature).
Here's how to get card emulation working on a Nexus S.
Here's why Google didn't implement any API for card emulation mode.
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I'm working on a android beam client for PCs. You need an nfc reader of course.
If anyone is interested, I can release it in a few weeks.
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I am interested in your project. Can you please tell us more about what you are doing?
I would like to collaborate and contribute to some ideas.
Cheers,
Shailen.
I think this is a great idea if the security isn't compromised. Having to carry around one less key-card is always a plus!
Would give the NFC an actual legitimate use in my case
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I'm working on a android beam client for PCs. You need an nfc reader of course.
If anyone is interested, I can release it in a few weeks.
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Let me know if you get this going!
There are access systems that include the ability for NFC smart phones to allow access to buildings/facilities. www.smartid.it is just one of those companies. Not all building access systems are compatible, however.
Just a fyi, cbord is testing nfc for access/etc card uses at Villanova.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...yPWjBA&usg=AFQjCNH_RLNSLsG7Jb-fxA8Q79soxj4KAg
So, be patient...
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I kinda agree with OP since to me NFC is useless. Google Wallet is blocked in my country (doesn't really matter since there are rather not many places where you can pay with NFC cards), the NFC tags have no use and therefore are hard to get, and I don't know a single person with a GNex, or in fact with any NFC enabled phone.
Just another cool gimmick to advertise GNex with. But if better developed and more wide-spread, it might actually come in handy.
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There are access systems that include the ability for NFC smart phones to allow access to buildings/facilities. www.smartid.it is just one of those companies.
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Just a fyi, cbord is testing nfc for access/etc card uses at Villanova.
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I think that smartID and CBord use the same principle.
CBord uses the CS Gold/aptiQmobile application. How does this application work? Does this app get special access to the secure element on the phone? Do the students use special phones with an OS customised by the company?
What if the phone's battery is dead, will one still be able to unlock doors?
I am interested in knowing how CBord implements this solution? I see that P2P might work in this case, where the student credentials are beamed to the terminal. However, when the battery is dead, one would wish to have a plastic card.
This is where card emulation is important. After enabling card-emulation on my Nexus S, I was still able to get the eSE ID even with the phone off.
What do you think?
I'm going to bump this as i have a ioProx card for the gym that i'd really, really like to have stored on my phone.
I've read on a few sites (most notably, gsmarena) that our glides have NFC. Can anyone confirm this? Might have to start using google wallet if it's true once we get ICS
I really hope it does, as that's part of the reason I bought it. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to confirm. It's either A)Included in hardware but no driver/software is there to run/enable it, or B) Was going to be included, and then wasn't for some reason. I'm hoping A, though, because if you go to Samsung's website for the Capitvate Glide Support, you see "How Do I Use NFC On My AT&T Samsung CAPTIVATE™ GLIDE (SGH-i927) Mobile Device?" under the Support FAQs, but the link doesn't go to any page. Considering that that site didn't have anything for the phone until a little while ago, and it's theirs, I'm keeping my fingers crossed....
Can anyone else give some input?
Could this work on our Glide and be the answer ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1545751
Thread refers to NFC feature not actived on AT&T devices ... Glide is an "AT&T" device.
As much as I love the development scene, AT&T could be releasing ICS any day, so may as well wait and see. It should be included in ICS (I would imagine, since it is on every other phone I've seen with NFC). I was offered to trade for an Evo 3d, but this phone just keeps impressing me more and more.
We'll just see how fast they can push out the updates, although I'm relieved we were on the list "in the following months" :|
I am not sure but I thought the glide did not have it and only a version that was supposed to be released in Europe would. I have no idea if this is true but what I recall hearing. Also I heard that you could change your sim and get NFC when it becomes wide spread. This way any phone could get NFC via the sim card.
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I am not sure but I thought the glide did not have it and only a version that was supposed to be released in Europe would. I have no idea if this is true but what I recall hearing. Also I heard that you could change your sim and get NFC when it becomes wide spread. This way any phone could get NFC via the sim card.
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Would someone smarter than me take a look at the FCC site here: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...e=N&application_id=658474&fcc_id='A3LSGHI927'
And see if it shows anything that indicates NFC or NFC compatibility?
are you guys kidding, right?
Yes, glide has NFC i ts BUILD IN the battery cover, how is nobody look at it, and the nfc beam its under de sim card, it shows up easily.
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Yes, glide has NFC i ts BUILD IN the battery cover, how is nobody look at it, and the nfc beam its under de sim card, it shows up easily.
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Uuuuuum. I'm about 95% certain this is false. Were the chip on the battery cover, there would have to be some kind of connection (most likely copper leads) to the phone itself. All I see on my battery door is a black sticker over the area that would cover the SIM card and MicroSD slot. No connection whatsoever. On top of that, the battery door seems much to thin to have an NFC chip incorporated on it.
As far as under the SIM card, all I see is the SIM card leads.
That thread on the Galaxy Note actually having NFC is due to the fact that AT&T disabled it on a software level. The hardware was all still there. The AT&T Galaxy Note's battery door still had an NFC chip and leads. Since the Captivate Glide is lacking that hardware, I doubt using that method would do anything. The one exception to this would be if the Captivate Glide has the NFC chip somewhere on the motherboard. I sort of doubt this, though, since I imagine someone would have noticed it before.
Will a nfc sim card in the future from att work for our captivate glide?
It's not in the SIM card.
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Will a nfc sim card in the future from att work for our captivate glide?
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As you are asking about something in the future no one really knows, but the concept is that SIM NFC should work for all phones. Guess only time will tell if this is so.
I'm on rogers and on the inception rom and I can see that nfc ia available under wifi/data settings but I am not able to activate it...I installed the new ics rom but wasn't able to find it on there
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I'm on rogers and on the inception rom and I can see that nfc ia available under wifi/data settings but I am not able to activate it...I installed the new ics rom but wasn't able to find it on there
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Orange France has deployed NFC SIM cards to all its users. Hopefully someday AT&T will do the same. Otherwise, the Moneto is a 1 GB sd card with NFC but they are entirely sold out right now.
I thought moneto doesn't work with metal sd card slots. Which is what we have on our phones.
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Unfortunately, I doubt it. Otherwise I am happy to be proven wrong - I ran the NFC checker, it said no NFC. And you guys ought take gsmarena's comments on SGH-I927 with a grain of salt, they often get specification wrong (I don't know if it's intentional or not).
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EDIT: NVM, I will be trying the NFC hack soon, hopefully ICS isn't going to have the seizure issue.
EDIT 2: ICS didn't crash (had to copy the tweak manually), and if it's PROVEN to have the NFC RF controller, then I guess with ICS there's no way to use it (AT&T intentionally removed the HAL for this thing - which mean even if NFC have the driver aside, it's disabled by other means).
EDIT 3 (and last one!): I finally copied the Google NFC manager to its rightful place correctly, and the NFC checker said SGH-I927 have it - I need to find a way to add the NFC settings in ICS (am using LiteROM) so I can turn this thing on.
Almost there, trying to piece the puzzle into the NFC support for SGH-I927(R) phones. I will need to find the correct driver (had to use few Gingerbread HAL files), then we're good.
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Now this is some serious development, kudos to you Dr. Mario !
Whoaa,that's cool man I wish u the best on activating it
Ive been thinking over this past couple days over a few things since the launch of iphone 5. One thing which caught my attention was lack of NFC in iphones 5th edition.
So I have NFC in my GS3 and its a cool feature to tell people about but I havent used it for anything. It's an upcoming technology and for now its nothing more useful than playing with nfc tags (which is fun). But would lack of NFC hurt anyone. How much would u have missed it if it wasnt in ur GS3?
I know some of us have been able to hack gwallet but i dont think a company like samsung makes decison based on some of us who can fully utilize a technology
(If u dont like my qn dont hate me, dont call me isheep or other names as ive never owned any iphone)
Looking for a healthy discussion
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I haven't used it either. Don't feel bad its not that big of a deal. What's the point of putting technology in a phone if it can't be used in practical life situations.
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the people that work at Apple are smart. Their stock is up right, now. But, they are on their way out.
They don't have the vision. Especially without Jobs to keep the public happy overpaying for apps and songs
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Well, I think NFC is an upcoming technology, and like any other before that, the success of a new technology depends on various factors such as adoption rate, business value added, ease of use, and the support of technology consumer in his case merchants and end user.
If Apple put NFC in their latest iphone, that will boost the adoption rate as like it or not they have millions users. However even without apple's support of NFC, if most of other smartphone manufacturer especially android put NFC in the phone and merchants start to accept NFC as mode of payment, I believe apple will put NFC in the next release of iphone.
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It's better to have it not need it.. than to need it not have it..
What bad is it doing us?
Very good point but I guess apple likes to prepare its user for an upcoming technology and then gradually guide them into its usage and then make money off of them, which they r doing thru passbook. Which isnt a bad way of selling a service coz my 60 yr old dad wont understand nfc netime if I throw my gs3 at him.
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I love NFC. I use my Google wallet wherever I can and using android beam is really cool.
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thanks but no thanks. I dont need it and dont want it. If your that lazy that you cant carry a wallet , you deserve to have your financial and personal data stolen which can happen if you lose your phone. you dont even need to have your phone stole for your info to get stolen. It happens all the time eith nfc chips on credit cards.
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thanks but no thanks. I dont need it and dont want it. If your that lazy that you cant carry a wallet , you deserve to have your financial and personal data stolen which can happen if you lose your phone. you dont even need to have your phone stole for your info to get stolen. It happens all the time eith nfc chips on credit cards.
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Well I pray to God that doesn't happen and thankful it hasn't. So far I am enjoying my NFC chip
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kobe4rings said:
thanks but no thanks. I dont need it and dont want it. If your that lazy that you cant carry a wallet , you deserve to have your financial and personal data stolen which can happen if you lose your phone. you dont even need to have your phone stole for your info to get stolen. It happens all the time eith nfc chips on credit cards.
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You could make an argument like that about anything. If you take vitamins for instance, I could say "If you're too lazy to eat the proper foods to get your vitamins, you deserve to die of malnutrition".
Back on topic, I don't ever use NFC but mainly because no one accepts it. Apple could have changed that, it'd have been a "magical" and "revolutionary" new technology.
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I don't have an S3 but I do know a little bit about the nfc card. As stated people who know what they are doing can steal your info from the chip. But the answer is aluminum. The chips cannot be read through it. Just like the "Aluma-Wallets" shown on tv, and the aluminum and tin mixture that is used prevents any connections to the chip. If someone could come out with an aluminum case for the S3 (there may already be one knowing this flaw) the chip would be safe. Or even a belt holster, that way you can still use the function of it but only when you want to.
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kobe4rings said:
thanks but no thanks. I dont need it and dont want it. If your that lazy that you cant carry a wallet , you deserve to have your financial and personal data stolen which can happen if you lose your phone. you dont even need to have your phone stole for your info to get stolen. It happens all the time eith nfc chips on credit cards.
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Google Wallet ins't broadcasting your CC data over NFC all the time; you have to login to it and select the card you want to use. Then you swipe your phone by the reader and confirm the charge on the screen.
If my phone is lost/stolen, I have a PIN to login to the phone, another PIN to activate Google Wallet, and Cerebus running under root to allow me to remotely find it, take pictures of the person holding it, and wipe the phone's internal and SD memory; I don't have any kind of that security on my $10 wallet.
I would also much rather use NFC for purchases than to hand my credit card over to a restaurant server and let them go in the back and take pictures of the front & back of it with their cell phones.
And if you have a good enough bank it takes 5 minutes on the phone to put those funds right back where they belong if someone stole your credit card information from your phone like that. I stopped carrying cash 6 years ago. If this technology takes the only thing I'll need to carry is my phone with my driver's license wedged in the case.
Credit card data isn't stored on the phone. Purchases are authorized through a virtual Mastercard through Google and then Google processes that payment to your card. Your personal CC info is never transfered from the NFC on your phone.
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kobe4rings said:
thanks but no thanks. I dont need it and dont want it. If your that lazy that you cant carry a wallet , you deserve to have your financial and personal data stolen which can happen if you lose your phone. you dont even need to have your phone stole for your info to get stolen. It happens all the time eith nfc chips on credit cards.
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What if you loose your wallet? To use Google wallet you need a pin to log in, plus Google wallet it's not on all the time, you need to log in and choose which card to use, but if you loose your wallet, most places don't ask for I'd so they can use the crap out of your card before you realize you lost it.
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I Definitely Think nfc is still a burgeoning technology, that just hasnt hit its stride, but its picking up, and now is the right time to have it, as its adoption rate will build over the next two years... The general life expectancy or our phones.
The thing ng with apple is they dont take risks ... They are slow and safe to adopt, and usually only do it, after a technology and its usefulness have been proven. Theyre strength is their ability to take a proven technology and reinvent it in away that is simplified and easy to use for the masses. So they wont take a risks on nfc yet... But they are slowly building the services to rely on it, once they do deploy. And deployment will only be after devices like ours have proven its usefulness.
That said, i myself am weary of using it for cc purposes... But i love it for other purposes such as data transfer, i.e. Android beam, S-beam, etc... Ive found them very useful and have used my nfc chip ti share data from my device to others with ease, more often than i expected. Also i believe with nfc, itll make wireless charging our devices possible, and im waiting to try that as well... So even w/o the cc stuff.. Nfc is proving itself to me everyday... Its just up to the user to determine the best use of it, for themselves.
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Much like every other new technology... why spend (and waste) money implementing it when it'd be nothing more than a novelty with no practical use. It's the reason they just now added LTE to the iPhone; until now no company has had a respectable LTE network. Apple doesn't need to gamble.
Back to the topic though, NFC is useless right now. It's nothing more than a novelty that you need to go out of your way to use on a daily basis. I absolutely love the idea of never having to carry a wallet again and would definitely adopt NFC into my day to day life... once the technology is mainstream.
Apple tries to dictate what people need...
Also i believe with nfc, itll make wireless charging our devices possible, and im waiting to try that as well...
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Third party charging pads may already be available, they come with a new back cover to make it work.
What bothers me about this post is the fact that one piece of technology is being judged over an entire list of more important key advancements that clearly makes a huge difference between the two devices. I'm not trying to sway anyones thoughts and im not going to point out the obvious but to isolate one feature and try to get people to ground the future development if it is underhanded.
In a year from now if NFC takes off and is supported everywhere Apple will change their tune and add it themselves with a better encryption feature of some sort and claim that NFC is only better due to Apple supporting it. Either way it comes down to what company finds it more relevant and who puts a better twist to the advertisement, what most people don't read is the fact its not new technology at all and agencies have been using it for years.
I don't know but its all drama no matter how its brought up it all depends if you the user can use it and if it makes your life easier, just the fact that you can put your medical info on it and hospitals can scan it in the event you can't speak for yourself at the ER makes a huge difference in my book.
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