The audio company Fiio has been talking about creating a USB DAC that works specifically with ICS. Problem is, I've only ever read of vague support of the idea from Google and zero software suggesting this is even an option. Has anyone else tried to make this work and, if so, does it? Love to know what the gentleman who created Voodoo Control thinks about this.
If it ever did work, you might see a huge migration of audiophiles from the iPhone (which allows for limited DAC access to limited devices through the dock) to Android (which would allow access to budget USB DACs costing hundreds of dollars less).
I'd really like to know this too. The internal DAC in the SGSII sucks, and it doesn't even have any kind of unamplified line-out. If I could use an external DAC that would solve all (or at least most) of my audio issues with it.
There are some custom ROMs for some devices that are working with USB DACs. Nook color, Archos G9, Nexus 1 and maybe some other devices. There is some experimental USB DAC support in RedPill Kernell for SGS2 but I couldn't make it work with my SGS2+FIIO E10+USB powered HUB.
I have a chinese tablet, Ainol Novo 8 Adv and there are some ROMs that have the libraries needed, but there is no way to route android audio to the USB DAC. Alsa recognizes the DAC but nothing happens.
We should ask Google to implement it. Look at this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1490151
USB DAC's Working on GS3 too...
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Do you think there will ever be a dock like this for the droid X or a mod To have the Droid X work with the Atrix because the phones are a little similar i guess 0.0?
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Do you think there will ever be a dock like this for the droid X or a mod To have the Droid X work with the Atrix because the phones are a little similar i guess 0.0?
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probably not but i do hope there will be
i would enjoy a multimedia dock(like the atrix one) as well
Without the dual core chip the laptop would be so slow... the x is great, but it just doesn't have the guts to provide a
Great docking experience.(short of overclocking it like crazy.)
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nah.. but
Probably not, BUT; theres still "some" hope.. i think its totally doable, and sooner or later, someone is gonna develop an app or a rom capable of.. or a combination of the two; that'll allow us to use the HDMI port as a video output...
Id be happy with that.
There was once an app, but got cancelled by the developer.
real hdmi lets you use the hdmi port as an output
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real hdmi lets you use the hdmi port as an output
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In my experience, realhdmi is far from a perfect solution. But so far it is the best solution.
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The concept seems simple, but I have no idea how difficult the implementation would be.
Use the HDMI as video out (it looks fine when I plug my Coby Kyros into my TV, seems a phone would be the same / better). Use the USB as a mouse - I know that Android is designed for touch screen, but I thought you could use a mouse for it.
Anyway, the concept seems simple, but perhaps my concept oversimplifies the matter.
If a 3rd party vendor could make a device independent dock, and price it reasonably, I think it would sell like hotcakes. At least, the same people that would buy the Coby (like me) to root it and do what they want with it would buy a 3rd party dock and use it with their phones.
My wife, who doesn't overly love technology, loved her driod when I finally conviced her to get it. If she could get a dock for it, she would likely never use her laptop.
A device specific dock seems ... ridiculous, for an open source platform.
I upgraded my Coby Kyros last night to Gingerbread - 2.3.1 using tipster's work over at (kyros-tablet-zone.team-talk.net).
I also did some research on the different Android offerings / versions.
Starting with 3.1, whose features were imported in 2.3.4, mice and other devices can now be attached via the USB cable.
After reading the snippet from the Android dev platform highlihts This seems good and bad in the quest for a generic dock. It looks like USB support may be app specific, and also may have hardware requirements (i.e. to use a dock, your phone may need to have some requirment for it.). I've pasted the snippet from the dev platfrom notes below.
(I'm still too new to post links)
developer.android.com/sdk/android-3.1-highlights.html
Connectivity for USB accessories
Android 3.1 adds broad platform support for a variety of USB-connected peripherals and accessories. Users can attach many types of input devices (keyboards, mice, game controllers) and digital cameras. Applications can build on the platform’s USB support to extend connectivity to almost any type of USB device.
The platform also adds new support for USB accessories — external hardware devices designed to attach to Android-powered devices as USB hosts. When an accessory is attached, the framework will look for a corresponding application and offer to launch it for the user. The accessory can also present a URL to the user, for downloading an appropriate application if one is not already installed. Users can interact with the application to control powered accessories such as robotics controllers; docking stations; diagnostic and musical equipment; kiosks; card readers; and much more.
The platform’s USB capabilities rely on components in device hardware, so support for USB on specific devices may vary and is determined by device manufacturers."
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It would be cool but I dont think the x has enough umphf for it to be worth while.
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Is their any way of tv out?
I m think of selling my x10(if anyone buys it) and getting arc,neo,play
so is their tv out by something like micro usb to hdmi?
Ooh and 2.3.4 brings 720p?
We are aware that this feature is something which users have queries in regards to and why this is not supported by the Xperia Play.
The reason that HDMI capabilities were not featured in the handset hardware upon release are due to the fact that the handset initially did not have the ability to record videos in HD unlike other Xperia handsets such as the Arc and Neo which did have this ability. As the handset was unable to record in a HD format, it was deciding to not include a HDMI output. The handset however will soon receive an update to the Android 2.3.4 operating system and will then be able to record in HD. This was not possible upon release and so HDMI was not included.
We can also advise that the handset doesn't have the hardware capacities to use a USB to HDMI cable which would allow HDMI output via your charging port. This hardware is called Mobile High Definition Link which is sadly not supported by the Xperia Play and cannot be changed via a Software update.
We would like to apologise that we are unable to assist further in regards to your query. However, we will pass your feedback onto the relevant department.
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FROM: Sony Ericsson
Thanks @Lono9885
Several users (including me) have been discussing TV out here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1296048
In short, there is currently not a good way and the Xperia Play does not have the hardware capability to do mini-HDMI/micro-USB to HDMI.
There are development possibilities however:
+Video out via headphone jack using stereo to RCA (three color-red/white/yellow) cable, similar to how some nokia phons and digital cameras/camcorders do
+Wireless streaming of the display to a receiving unit (PS3/computer/cable box/Smart TV)
+Standard micro-usb to usb to hdmi adapter (reference the Nexus One usb host mode hack)
~Troop
Thought this might interest owners and potential owners:
Incidentally, tried Splashtop after the video over 3G whilst out and about today - amazing! Watched a video with sound - playback was smooth. Hardly any lag via 3G in a reasonable coverage area. Also installed an antivirus to my laptop and did some other useful stuff while I was having a coffee at Bunnings - RDP on a 1280x800 screen is awesome.
I should be receiving a USB DAC in the coming week too, so will update as to whether that works or not...
UPDATE: USB DACs do NOT work with the USB OTG feature (as expected). Shame, because the cheapy one I got today sounds amazing compared to my laptop and desktops sound cards! The one I have is a HiFiMAN Express available from here for only $40. Not really for audiophiles, but for those who can appreciate better quality at a fraction of the price these are very good (I think Gizmodo linked to an audiophile review of them where he said they were 70% as good as the sound put out my a $400 sound card, not bad for what the HiFiMAN costs).
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Thought this might interest owners and potential owners:
Incidentally, tried Splashtop after the video over 3G whilst out and about today - amazing! Watched a video with sound - playback was smooth. Hardly any lag via 3G in a reasonable coverage area. Also installed an antivirus to my laptop and did some other useful stuff while I was having a coffee at Bunnings - RDP on a 1280x800 screen is awesome.
I should be receiving a USB DAC in the coming week too, so will update as to whether that works or not...
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sorry,
can you tell me what is the model of the gamepad you use?
Thanks.
Thank you very much for this post. This pretty much seals the deal for me. I will be grabbing one soon.
After watching your video, it looks like I need to find me a nice 20"-23" LED HDMI monitor to go with my Note.
Thank you for this awesome video.
Disappointed to the fact that USB hubs don't work, specially because someone in the forum answered me to this same question saying "yes"
In fact my question was if a SB keyboard and a USB mouse can work together using a USB hub.
Could you please confirm this case?
Thnks!
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Thank you for this awesome video.
Disappointed to the fact that USB hubs don't work, specially because someone in the forum answered me to this same question saying "yes"
In fact my question was if a SB keyboard and a USB mouse can work together using a USB hub.
Could you please confirm this case?
Thnks!
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Hey there, sorry if it wasn't clear in the video - the hub itself works fine, its just that using the hubs external power source to power portable HDDs that the Note can't supply enough power to on its own doesn't work (it does in the SGSII). I presume that KB and Mouse would work together with a hub, but unfortunately I can't confirm as I don't own models that are compatible with the Note (or the SGSII).
If anyone in Auckland has some that are compatible I'd love to try this out for people.
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Hey there, sorry if it wasn't clear in the video - the hub itself works fine, its just that using the hubs external power source to power portable HDDs that the Note can't supply enough power to on its own doesn't work (it does in the SGSII). I presume that KB and Mouse would work together with a hub, but unfortunately I can't confirm as I don't own models that are compatible with the Note (or the SGSII).
If anyone in Auckland has some that are compatible I'd love to try this out for people.
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I can confirm that Keyboard and Mouse together work well on SGS2 using powered USB hubs, however its very unstable and sometimes freezes the phone. Hope it becomes better with ICS.
Do you mean that external HDD's can be powered by SGS2? I never thought its possible, seems I need to test that again as my HDD is NTFS formatted so wasn't recognized the last time I tried.
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I can confirm that Keyboard and Mouse together work well on SGS2 using powered USB hubs, however its very unstable and sometimes freezes the phone. Hope it becomes better with ICS.
Do you mean that external HDD's can be powered by SGS2? I never thought its possible, seems I need to test that again as my HDD is NTFS formatted so wasn't recognized the last time I tried.
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No, the SGSII can't supply external HDDs - I was saying that they do work with the SGSII when connected to a hub that has it's own power supply (that doesn't seem to work in the Note however...).
I don't own a hub but I was able to use a 120 gb external 2.5" USB hdd on the note with external power.
The hdd came with a y cable for additional power supply. I just used the note charger to supply power.
I had to format the hdd with fat32 of course. Win7 wouldn't do it, not with GUI and not on command line.
A app did it http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?guiformat.htm.
Another thing was to make 1080p movies playable from the fat32 hdd. I used mkvtoolnix to split the movie into 4gb files.
https://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/
With diceplayer I was able to play them without any problems.
What resolution does your laptop run at? When I installed splashtop (phone version), I get set to 1024x720 resolution (looks crappy), while my home PC is 1600x1200. I wonder if splashtop HD would allow me to use the native resolution of my PC (1600x1200)? Any way to install HD apps on the Note?
I set my laptop to run at the same resolution as Splashtop when I'm not at home (otherwise it runs in 1080p).
Don't worry, Splashtop are working on a release version for HD phones (probably just an update to the phone Splashtop) and it'll be available soon - I've been in contact with them recently.
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I set my laptop to run at the same resolution as Splashtop when I'm not at home (otherwise it runs in 1080p).
Don't worry, Splashtop are working on a release version for HD phones (probably just an update to the phone Splashtop) and it'll be available soon - I've been in contact with them recently.
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Thanks for the info, Ill hold off on purchasing. Do you know if there is a way to install HD apps on the Note when the market states they are incompatible?
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Thanks for the info, Ill hold off on purchasing. Do you know if there is a way to install HD apps on the Note when the market states they are incompatible?
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Not that I'm aware of as yet, some talented dev here needs to work it out for us!
UPDATE: USB DACs do NOT work with the USB OTG feature (as expected). Shame, because the cheapy one I got today sounds amazing compared to my laptop and desktops sound cards! The one I have is a HiFiMAN Express available from here for only $40. Not really for audiophiles, but for those who can appreciate better quality at a fraction of the price these are very good (I think Gizmodo linked to an audiophile review of them where he said they were 70% as good as the sound put out my a $400 sound card, not bad for what the HiFiMAN costs).
Thanks for this thread. Very good information.
But I think it's a bit annoying that it's not 'real' upscaled HD, but just the resolution of the Note (1280x800) being outputted to the screen.
I think Splashtop technically looks very good. But I don't like the security - it seems there is not any encryption in the software, not even the passwords!
What bandwidth does Splashtop require over a 3G connection to be stable? And how intelligent is the streamer to figure out which quality to stream in, in order to get the optimal dynamic stream without lag/pauses ?
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Thanks for this thread. Very good information.
But I think it's a bit annoying that it's not 'real' upscaled HD, but just the resolution of the Note (1280x800) being outputted to the screen.
I think Splashtop technically looks very good. But I don't like the security - it seems there is not any encryption in the software, not even the passwords!
What bandwidth does Splashtop require over a 3G connection to be stable? And how intelligent is the streamer to figure out which quality to stream in, in order to get the optimal dynamic stream without lag/pauses ?
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Not sure what bandwidth it requires over 3G for stability, I was in a reasonable reception area at the times I've used it over 3G - may have been the amount of bandwidth on offer but the experience was really great with minimal lag (bad upload for my PC at home is the rate limiting step here).
Must be some other Splashtop users here who can chime in?
Great video.
Does an ordinary usb keyboard work directly on the Note?
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Great video.
Does an ordinary usb keyboard work directly on the Note?
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+1
And if keyboard layout is other than the English version, all the special signs (%&Ç@#) works correctly?
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. Do you know if there is a way to install HD apps on the Note when the market states they are incompatible?
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yes, just use an older version of Market - pull it from an old ROM. And freeze "market updater" in Tibu.
/system/app/Vending.apk
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Great video.
Does an ordinary usb keyboard work directly on the Note?
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Yes, they do, tried one today. Some USB mice also work, will try and connect both with the hub when I get home and see how that goes.
Will also revisit HDD connectivity too, as I have a second note Rooted with CF Root - possible that the drives weren't working because of Netchips kernel (in the same way that WiFi tether was broken).
Great video
Iwas surfing around for a page that ensures this device has definitely tv-out feature. I could not be sure for it, cause at most of the pages promoting galaxy note, it is not being said exactly..
Anyway, found here, and watched your video. now I want a galaxy note even 10 times more..
Thanks man, great job..
I know it has been asked before over here, but i would like to discuss it again:
Could it be somehow possible to activate TV-Out over the 3.5mm audio connector on the defy?
The Samsung Captivate (aka Galaxy S) has it and the devs managed to support it in their CM7 version for the captivate. Perhaps we could use some of those "drivers"?
It would be just to cool to use the defy with a bluetooth keyboard (apple wireless keyboard working flawlessly btw) and a nice big screen for browsing and writing documents...
Btw the cable looks like this.
i dont think its matter of drivers, if the headphones jack is not wired to give tv output, then it wont be physically possible without a hardware mod... just my opinion, i could be wrong tho...
Indeed. If it's not meant to output video then it's not meant to. End of story ^^
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Did anybody proof that its not wired?
At least it can give audio over 3 pins (stereo+mic) - that means all contacts needed are wired. COuld the tv-signal perhaps be "disguised" as audio signal?
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Did anybody proof that its not wired?
At least it can give audio over 3 pins (stereo+mic) - that means all contacts needed are wired. COuld the tv-signal perhaps be "disguised" as audio signal?
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Do you really think that motorola would put a video-output capable 3,5mm jack in the phone, and not use it as a feature?? Things aren't free in this world. If there was one, they would have said so, simply because...they could sell more Defys thanks to it.
Putting a really awesome feature in a phone and not saying nothing about it? Come on... xD
In addition our phone isn't event meant for tv-out, forget about having it flowing out of wierd places like an audio jack x)
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Do you really think motorola wouldn`t open the bootloader even if they could? They could have sold a few defys more with an open bootloader....
You might have noticed that im not that convinced by your argument.
No **** man. Moto also advertised a gpu less omap 3610. When in all actuality we have omap 3630. Why would they do that? I think this deserves more looking into
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I think if it would be possible, chances are that a kernel tweak would be needed to activate it and thus it would not be possible with a locked bootloader.
But still, i think it could be worth it to take a look in the Captivates librarys regarding tv-out.
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Do you really think motorola wouldn`t open the bootloader even if they could? They could have sold a few defys more with an open bootloader....
You might have noticed that im not that convinced by your argument.
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Motorola wouldn't have significantly more sales if the bootloader was unlocked: over 80% of consumers don't even know what a locked/unlocked bootoader is
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Can the hdmi / vga tv out be sent via USB?
Please dont be naif, you know how much motorola lies about the defy!, i did a search about the defy hardware, the chip as you know is an omap3630 with sgx530 and IVA 2 +, this chip is capable of transmit audio and video, see the pic:
b.imagehost.org/0148/tiomap.jpg
So the probem is software related, maybe its too complicated due to the locked bootloader but i think its totally posible, its just a matter to find some device that uses the same chip, like the Droid x or milestone 2...
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Please dont be naif, you know how much motorola lies about the defy!, i did a search about the defy hardware, the chip as you know is an omap3630 with sgx530 and IVA 2 +, this chip is capable of transmit audio and video, see the pic:
b.imagehost.org/0148/tiomap.jpg
So the probem is software related, maybe its too complicated due to the locked bootloader but i think its totally posible, its just a matter to find some device that uses the same chip, like the Droid x or milestone 2...
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not really... we all know the chip is capable, but if it is not physically utilized, no amount of software tweaking will make it possible... i dont think they would have bothered to connect the 3.5mm audio jack with video out if they are not going to use it...
but u r asking the right question... think outside the box, if its even remotely possible, i would like to have this feature
Following your argument i would conclude that it MUST be possile to route a video signal through the headphone jack. Of course you would need a software wrapper which codes the video signal and puts it out as a sound. If you would do that as an app, this might be awfully slow. But i cant see a reason for this to be impossile as the headphone jack IS wired to the sound output and apps ARE capale of using that sound output.
I would really like to use an app like that as a workaround, as long as its fast enough for simple rowsing.
Edit: I just searched the marked for "Image to sound" apps and came across "Spectral" which takes an image, converrts it into a sound spectrum and plazs it. It should not e too hard to change the conversion to conformwith the component video standard.
This would still onlz convert one image and i dout it would be possible to use this with screenshots in realtime but it would be a good step towards video out on the defy.
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Following your argument i would conclude that it MUST be possile to route a video signal through the headphone jack. Of course you would need a software wrapper which codes the video signal and puts it out as a sound. If you would do that as an app, this might be awfully slow. But i cant see a reason for this to be impossile as the headphone jack IS wired to the sound output and apps ARE capale of using that sound output.
I would really like to use an app like that as a workaround, as long as its fast enough for simple rowsing.
Edit: I just searched the marked for "Image to sound" apps and came across "Spectral" which takes an image, converrts it into a sound spectrum and plazs it. It should not e too hard to change the conversion to conformwith the component video standard.
This would still onlz convert one image and i dout it would be possible to use this with screenshots in realtime but it would be a good step towards video out on the defy.
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Dude in fact, it is very hard/impossible. One thing is "transform" a digital image in a digital audio. In that case you dont need to make sense, just convert one block of image into one "la" ou "do" and you are good to go.
We have a limited range of frequencies that we can hear and software/hardware generally take advantage of that. Transport analogic video(that may take a broad range of frequencies) trought analogic audio hardware may be impossible for near anything apart form really simple scenes
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Following your argument i would conclude that it MUST be possile to route a video signal through the headphone jack. Of course you would need a software wrapper which codes the video signal and puts it out as a sound. If you would do that as an app, this might be awfully slow. But i cant see a reason for this to be impossile as the headphone jack IS wired to the sound output and apps ARE capale of using that sound output.
I would really like to use an app like that as a workaround, as long as its fast enough for simple rowsing.
Edit: I just searched the marked for "Image to sound" apps and came across "Spectral" which takes an image, converrts it into a sound spectrum and plazs it. It should not e too hard to change the conversion to conformwith the component video standard.
This would still onlz convert one image and i dout it would be possible to use this with screenshots in realtime but it would be a good step towards video out on the defy.
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why not route it via the micro usb, may be it could be easier?
Hey
Rooted and flashes my HTC Wildfire Buzz (A3333) to CM. Now I'm a persistent aircrack-ng user on linux platform and I know it's possible to get custom made drivers from a blog somewhere on working for some Broadcast chipsets. My phone has a Qualcomm MSM7225 / ARM1136EJ-S chipset and thus not compatible.
I've been thinking to get an external USB adapter to get monitor anyway. Now before buying it, I wanted to hear you guys out to ask if my phone will recognize it as a genuine adapter without installing any further drivers.. Also would the phone have enough battery output to supply both the phone and adapter. Last, I wanted to ask some of you that already own one to give me some tips on the "better" external usb adapters, which ones do I pick?
Thanks in advance
iPot