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Lets tell HTC how we feel about them locking our phones down

I'm kind of angry that HTC chooses to do this I mean after all we all purchased this phone therefor we should have the right to do as we please with it, correct?Sure its not really getting anything done on the rooting scene but the least we can do is tell them we're dissatisfied with their closed approach to Android.
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I assume its due to new apps such as: netflix, hulu, move rentals and other apps that require a lockdown. I don't think HTC would like to see their hard work (HTC Sense) on other devices lowering the need for upgrades: example, the two Incredibles if you install sense 2.0 or skyraider 4.0 the need for Incredible 2 lowers quite a bit. I plan on jumping on Incredible 2 just because of its design. It is exactly what I wanted in the first Incredible. I'm all up more for unlocked HTC phones

I sent them an email and got the following response...
Thank you for your feedback regarding the Incredible 2. Unfortunately I do not have information about whether the bootloader is locked or how it can be customized to allow you to install a custom ROM. Because we focus on supporting the software included on the device and assisting users with free technical support we are only able to support the aspects of the device as they are developed by ourselves and your carrier, in this case Verizon.
That said, however, we do value your feedback. You will see an invitation to provide our company with recorded, documented feedback in the signature of my email to you. The ratings at the top are your opportunity to rate my response to you and then there is a comment section that allows you to make your opinions known to HTC itself, rather than to simply the representative who corresponds with you. I would encourage you to submit your opinion there as well, even if you just copy and paste most of your initial email to us.
We track this feedback and it does make a difference in our product decisions. If it turns out the bootloader is locked down with a secure key or other method, your feedback using the survey system may convince the powers that be to change this in a future update.
In regard to your inquiry regarding an API for the Sense interface, any application or widget targeted for Android should work in HTC Sense, so you should be able to use the Android APIs for your development purposes and this will also allow your application to work on phones that do not run HTC Sense, such as competitor phones or even some of our devices like the G2. That said, there are additional resources where you can get information about developing on HTC and Android devices:
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Pretty much just seems like a regular copy paste brush off response.

HTC has some very good reasons for locking devices down, and I don't blame them at all. Their setup is very nice for the average consumer.
I support OEMs locking their hardware in general, however I also support (and am active in) unlocking them. What they really need to do is find a workable solution, like enabling oem unlock.
tylerch said:
I'm kind of angry that HTC chooses to do this I mean after all we all purchased this phone therefor we should have the right to do as we please with it, correct?Sure its not really getting anything done on the rooting scene but the least we can do is tell them we're dissatisfied with their closed approach to Android.
http://twitter.com/htc
http://www.htc.com/www/about_htc_bymail.aspx
HTC Headquarters
23 Hsin Hua Rd., Taoyuan 330,
Taiwan, R. O. C.
Tel: +886-3-3753252
Fax: +886-3-3753251
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I have seen a lot of boilerplate brush-offs in my life, and while that HTC rep wasn't able to help get anything done in some concrete form, the letter was not based on a template. Sure they were 2 or 3 paragraphs that sounded stock, but I am guessing (and was very surprised considering what I have seen from HTC on other occasions) that the letter took a longer than average amount of time to write... I do not think it would not be considered a brush off.
And it makes sense... If there is any industry right now which is being carefully watched because of the world's acknowledged impact of it on an individual's daily life, both professional and personal, it is mobile communication and the development thereof. There is an extraordinary amount of money to be made and lost here. HTC is a newcomer through good fortune and I doubt anyone expected them to be sitting next to motorola, samsung, LG, etc. 3 years ago. In this age of social media where 4000 people complaining on a Facebook page can change a corporate policy, HTC is not ignoring any group. And not one with the power we have.
Look at T-Mobile, while I still think their customer device is mediocre, as third place carrier, I have noticed a distinct catering to the "enthusiast" segment of android. Now this doesn't mean they are going to have every phone released sporting a wide open OS like the G1, but their phones are relatively easy to root (wake up Motorola!), and the caliber of their phones (design, cutting edge technology like dual core) is far and away better than the other carriers out there.
I am starting to ramble, but my point is this is a crucial time in an area that we happen to be a big part of. If you don't think the manufacturers or the carriers are keeping a close eye on this board's membership, or the number of people served by CM7, your wrong.. We have the power to turn the carriers and the manufacturers future business plans on their ear. (With early attempts at a "kitchen"... man, that had to make them tremble a bit.) And this enthusiast market is only going to snowball, even if not for true enthusiasts, then for all the people that just want someone to root and re-theme their phone. Trust me, they care.
EDIT: Bottom line, the OP is making a smart suggestion.
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I certainly expected them to be sitting were they are 3 years ago. 5 years ago, no. Hadn't heard of them yet.
Also that was not a stock brush off. Everytime I've contacted HTC I've been happily surprised with their answers. She told you what we need to do to change it so let's do it!
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I agree with jcase that manufacturers and service providers have legitimate reasons for the locking of their respective devices.
One being the protection of their oem software as stated. Another is fraudulent device returns for devices bricked or otherwise rendered inoperable by something done at root level. Lastly the hot topic of rooted tethering and wifi hot spot which are paid services.
So that being said set aside your anger and look at it from their point of view.
I am a rooted user who takes full advantage of my devices potential. I hope that there is a solution in the not too distant future that will both protect the manufacturers and providers interests yet give us the option to modify our devices as we see fit.
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Why not just do what computer manufacturers have done for years? Have a recovery procedure. Or what the nook color did and always boot first off the sd card. Half of the reason that bricking occurs is as a result of circumventing the security. If there was a way to always boot off an sd card people could always restore it. No more bricked phones.. and everyone is happy.
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Are you guys serious? HTC has been around for ages (1997) theyre one of the pioneers in pda/smartphone and touchscreen technology. First windows pda, first windows based phone, first 3g cdma smartphone, first android smartphone and first 4g smartphone. They've been innovative when LG and Moto thought the razr and shine were bleeding edge lol. I had NO doubt they would have a seat upon high. ;-)
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efaden said:
Why not just do what computer manufacturers have done for years? Have a recovery procedure. Or what the nook color did and always boot first off the sd card. Half of the reason that bricking occurs is as a result of circumventing the security. If there was a way to always boot off an sd card people could always restore it. No more bricked phones.. and everyone is happy.
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HTC already does this, but many of us are dicking with the bootloader, which handles this. Once you mess with the bootloader, the possibility of bricking is very real.

Locking down the bootloader was Verizon's idea. Not HTC's. They would rather sell them unlocked. Only the carrier wants them locked. Just think about it and you will see why the manufacturers are forced to do so. There is no point contacting HTC. Please send such emails to Verizon. Please do bug HTC to sell unlocked boot loader devices on the net.
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HTC first did this on a non carrier branded phone first. The whole "it is Verizon" argument is silly, it is a reaction to the industry and carriers as a whole.
Don't blame Verizon solely, HTC wants this.
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jcase said:
HTC first did this on a non carrier branded phone first. The whole "it is Verizon" argument is silly, it is a reaction to the industry and carriers as a whole.
Don't blame Verizon solely, HTC wants this.
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I agree. It would make sense if the only locked ones were the VZW branded, etc.... but unbranded phones are also locked.

efaden said:
I agree. It would make sense if the only locked ones were the VZW branded, etc.... but unbranded phones are also locked.
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the incS has XTC support, and touchpro hooked raskal up with his verizon inc2 so lets pray we get support for the inc2!!!

jcase said:
HTC first did this on a non carrier branded phone first. The whole "it is Verizon" argument is silly, it is a reaction to the industry and carriers as a whole.
Don't blame Verizon solely, HTC wants this.
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Actually the difficulties with rooting has not been carrier specific. In fact, the troubles started with the myTouch Slide on T-Mobile then the G2 on T-Mobile and now the Incredible 2 on Verizon, the Evo Shift on Sprint, and the Thunderbolt on Verizon.
Seems like this is more HTC than the specific carrier to me.

This is good news. HTC is reviewing their bootloader policy:
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-were-reviewing-our-bootloader-policy
Hopefully they'll let us unlock the bootloaders of phones they already released, like the Inc S and Inc 2.

finitybeyond said:
This is good news. HTC is reviewing their bootloader policy:
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-were-reviewing-our-bootloader-policy
Hopefully they'll let us unlock the bootloaders of phones they already released, like the Inc S and Inc 2.
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Was just about to post this! I hope they let us unlock the bootloaders.
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And who says Facebook, Twitter, and other social media is completely useless

LowFire82 said:
And who says Facebook, Twitter, and other social media is completely useless
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Found this on the HTC Facebook page..
"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC

Hell yea I was just about to post that as well! I hope this means they will provide means to unlock currently locked phones.

Apple files injunction against Samsung to ban SGN in US..

Link to Android Central article
Apple has once again called Samsung into court. This time it's about the Galaxy Nexus and four patents that Apple says it infringes. The patents in question are:
U.S. Patent No. 5,946,647: a patent for data being used as a hyperlink
U.S. Patent No. 8,086,604: a unified search patent
U.S. Patent No. 8,046,721: a slide-to-unlock patent
U.S. Patent No. 8,074,172: a word completion patent*
Apple is requesting that the Samsung Galaxy Nexus be blocked from sale in the United States because it violates these patents. *Should the court find in favor of Apple, a ban against the Galaxy Nexus would be put in effect until the final court decision. *
Could it happen? Certainly. But if it does, it won't go into effect any time soon, it would only affect stores inside the U.S. selling these products, and no jack-booted thugs from Cupertino will come pry your Nexus from your hands. We can't be sure how the courts will act, but all of these are pretty shaky patents, and once again Apple is not going after Google directly -- even though the Galaxy Nexus has a pure vanilla version of Android. *The only certainty here is that the patent system is broken and only serves the company willing to spend the most in the courts.
It's time for Google to step in and put a stop to this bull****. The first patent in question is the same one that was upheld against HTC in a move that shocked the tech community at large, essentially giving Apple the rights to the hyperlink -- something invented over 20 years ago by numerous companies that aren't Apple.
The other three are just as laughable, or would be if not for the fact that Apple was allowed to secure the patents at all.*Every single one of them has existed as prior art long before Apple became relevant, yet a patent was granted each and every time. This is the core of the problem. You can't blame Apple for trying, it's cheaper to litigate away your competition than it is to out-innovate them. *And make no mistake -- that's exactly what's going on here. *Apple wants Android to go away, and a look at any chart that shows market share will tell you why. *It's a ****ty way to get ahead, but it's too easy not to try. It's going to take a tech giant to change the way this all works, and we know nobody can count on Apple or Microsoft to do it, because this is their system, created the way they like it, and making them rich. If Apple is afraid to go after Google, Google needs to go after Apple instead of sitting on their laurels waiting to ride in and save the day at the last minute.
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Watch this video!
"Great artist steal! We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas." -Steve Jobs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

Not trying to flame but you guys really should search better. This has been posted several times. Please search!!"
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just yesterday
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1492356
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americans, you have over 200 parties, not only republicants and the democrats... so vote for Pirate Party and stop this patent bull****
to be honest, US patent system is hilarious

lrs421 said:
Not trying to flame but you guys really should search better. This has been posted several times. Please search!!"
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I did search first. I turned up results for the "Android General" forum but not the SGN forum. Do you have an opinion on the topic?
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just yesterday
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1492356
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I would have def posted there if I had seen it, I searched using dif key words. However that is irrelevant now. The thread you linked got no attention at all, except for one guy who confused it for the old story that did NOT pertain to the US. Once again I would like to ask, do you have an opinion? Or does your lack or critical thinking always result in a "don't post this" attitude? I would like to discuss and get other peoples opinions please.

asheg said:
to be honest, US patent system is hilarious
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agreed!! Or rather what Apple does to it is. Did you watch the vid?

It's OK to steal as long as Apple is doing the stealing
Apple's new Slogan.

Apple is quite obviously scared of the SGN. Justifiably so. Unbelievable that they would go after Samsung though since the software is all Google....

DIECAST61 said:
Apple's new Slogan.
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This has always been their slogan, it's not just a new thing.

WiredPirate said:
agreed!! Or rather what Apple does to it is. Did you watch the vid?
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nope) what vid?)

asheg said:
nope) what vid?)
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The YouTube video in OP at the bottom, the Steve Jobs one..
Here is the link again, not sure how to embed it here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

eh..without watching the full video that clip is taken pretty out of context.

What are the chances of this blowing over and getting solved? Why I ask is that I want this phone but I need to put some money together to buy it since I have to buy it at full price if I want it and I'd hate to see this phone no longer being able to be sold because of stupid ****ing Apple.

foxehkins said:
eh..without watching the full video that clip is taken pretty out of context.
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In what context is stealing others work and claiming it as your own okay?
Edit: what about the patent Apple filed recently for a "facial recognition unlock" on their products!? It seams to me Apple is holding up the progress of technology by acquiring their products in court and not in the lab or whatever. They just throw around their weight and money and bully other companies to steal. Jesus Steve Jobs said it himself and you are still trying to defend them.
trparky said:
What are the chances of this blowing over and getting solved? Why I ask is that I want this phone but I need to put some money together to buy it since I have to buy it at full price if I want it and I'd hate to see this phone no longer being able to be sold because of stupid ****ing Apple.
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Well it was shot down over seas, but here in the US who knows. I would say you will hear about the progress and if it seams you need to buy one quickly you can. And there is always importing in case of a worst case scenario.

What I am most confused about is why is Google not patenting their own work!? I don't get it, they see what Apple is doing yet they seam unwilling to protect their own asses? Are they being wreckless or stupid or..?

Here, from AndroidCentral.. There are links for detailed info about those four patents :
http://www.androidcentral.com/apple-it-again-calling-injunction-against-galaxy-nexus
So, let's discuss those patents. Do you think Apple has a big chance?
Note that the first patent has won them against HTC.
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gogol said:
Here, from AndroidCentral.. There are links for detailed info about those four patents :
http://www.androidcentral.com/apple-it-again-calling-injunction-against-galaxy-nexus
So, let's discuss those patents. Do you think Apple has a big chance?
Note that the first patent has won them against HTC.
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That is the link/ body of text from the OP?. I don't fully understand patents and law but am very interested. The best I can do is state my personal opinions, which I think I have made clear already. I personally think it is a toss up whether Apple has a chance and this is just a way for them to cash in, slow Google and others progress and a way to bully others and steal once again. I think any of the four patents being infringed on should not belong to a apple or any other company either. Let's make progress not slow progress by bickering in court who owns the right to hyperlinks. Amirite?

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... It seams to me Apple is holding up the progress of technology by acquiring their products in court and not in the lab or whatever....
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Apple hasn't come up with much new since the iPhone 2g, they came out with a bang and stopped dead in their tracks. All they're doing now is putting speed bumps in front of all of those whizzing by them.

opensourcefan said:
Apple hasn't come up with much new since the iPhone 2g, they came out with a bang and stopped dead in their tracks. All they're doing now is putting speed bumps in front of all of those whizzing by them.
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100% agree with that statement and i say it to my brother who has an iphone 4s all the time.
My brother has owned every iphone since they were launched and will defend apple to the end of time.
Apple came out with a great phone to begin with, but have since not really come out with anything completely innovative which has completely changed ios.
Still the same old launcher of icons after icons... same lock screen blah blah blah.
If you look at an origional iphone and then look at an iphone 4s theres not really anything other than the speed improvements that makes you think wow apple has come a long way with the software... ( other than the notifacation bar they added... wonder where they got that idea from ).
Apple need to man up and stop throwing law suits around and come up with some new ideas.
All this does is slow down progress for everybody.
Oh btw... Where do iphones get most of there parts from? Oh thats right... SAMSUNG!!!!

Apple can't sue software, they can only sue the hardware manufacturer. That is why they sued Samsung instead of Google.

HTC lowers Q2 expectations

Here are the "good" news for HTC...
Hopefully they will now care more about their customers and finally give us S-OFF devices and better customer support and not "kill" our warranty...
I guess they make a wrong decision ignoring people on XDA and dnt fix things faster and many customers were scared about buying a faulty flagship phone ?

muamers said:
Here are the "good" news for HTC...
Hopefully they will now care more about their customers and finally give us S-OFF devices and better customer support and not "kill" our warranty...
I guess they make a wrong decision ignoring people on XDA and dnt fix things faster and many customers were scared about buying a faulty flagship phone ?
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So what is your estimate of the number of people in the world who considered buying a HOX compared to the number of people on XDA who own a HOX? I suspect you'll find that even if everyone in this forum never bought another HTC phone, the effects on HTC's global profits would be less than noticeable.
Plus, if you actually read the article it tells you what the root causes of the dip in sales are.
I truly wish it were otherwise.

berek9999 said:
So what is your estimate of the number of people in the world who considered buying a HOX compared to the number of people on XDA who own a HOX? I suspect you'll find that even if everyone in this forum never bought another HTC phone, the effects on HTC's global profits would be less than noticeable.
Plus, if you actually read the article it tells you what the root causes of the dip in sales are.
I truly wish it were otherwise.
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"The main reasons for the sub-par performance are the lower than expected sales in Europe and the customs problems in the US (with Apple)."
They plane more and sell less ... if you ask me, thats because of the slow reaction on customers needs (not just for the OneX). For example, amazon UK has paused the OneX sales because to much returns.
The problems in the US dont affect this much because they had probably planed that Apple will stop the sales there, they always do such things (like they do now do with the SGS3).

Of course HTC will offer its shareholders a wealth of reasons for their abysmal performance, non of which, as a rule, due to bad management decisions.
Further, we at xda (and other forums) are the collective of lighthouse customers in this industry, who make or break devices. It's ancient american business theory that obviously hasn't reached over to either China yet.
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schiphol said:
Of course HTC will offer its shareholders a wealth of reasons for their abysmal performance, non of which, as a rule, due to bad management decisions.
Further, we at xda (and other forums) are the collective of lighthouse customers in this industry, who make or break devices. It's ancient american business theory that obviously hasn't reached over to either China yet.
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Your thinly veiled patronising or racist (depending on how charitable a mood I'm in) swipe aside, the fact that you think that XDA is a major influence reveals your major bias.
Also I mean all American companies are friendly and cuddly and consumer friendly, I mean they wouldn't force RIAA and MPAA down the throats of other companies nor spread the cancer of BS software patents everywhere or engage in monopolistic or cartel behaviour or.... oh wait....
And if you're the kind of person who tells a non-techie friend not to get XYZ phone because the vendor doesn't support SOFF (in spite of the phone itself being very good) then well I guess everyone gets the friends they deserve.

I would imagine that 99% of smart phone buyers have no idea what s off is and would think think that rooting a phone involved burying it in mud, IMHO the smartphone market is driven by fashion 1st, specs second and apps third. HTC are in the same boat as all other android headset makers on points 2 and 3 but who can predict the fickle nature of fashion?

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Your thinly veiled patronising or racist (depending on how charitable a mood I'm in) swipe aside, the fact that you think that XDA is a major influence reveals your major bias.
Also I mean all American companies are friendly and cuddly and consumer friendly, I mean they wouldn't force RIAA and MPAA down the throats of other companies nor spread the cancer of BS software patents everywhere or engage in monopolistic or cartel behaviour or.... oh wait....
And if you're the kind of person who tells a non-techie friend not to get XYZ phone because the vendor doesn't support SOFF (in spite of the phone itself being very good) then well I guess everyone gets the friends they deserve.
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It's not about me telling my friends not to get a phone because it doesn't support s-off. It's about a collective of first adopters (generally thought to be around 13% of the total market), whose perception of a product acts as an inhibitor or catalyst for access to the remaining 87% of the market. I think it's no coincidence that HTCs decline started with abysmal early sales of the completely locked down Sensation.
Oh and the 99% that was mentioned here who supposedly wouldn't care. Think of this: titanium backup had already been installed 5M times by the time the total number of activated android phones had yet to reach 150M.
Edit: and I never said all American companies are customer friendly. But I would argue that they generally take the common sense approach of not actively cutting out early adopters from the markets they heavily depend on. O'well at least HTCs management saved some warranty expenses this year haha.
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OK, 95% I stand corrected

HTC Fights Back. A Win Against Apple.

HTC bought S3, a graphics company, for $300MM USD in order to defend itself against an onslaught of competitors going after them for patent violations. Owning patents yourself forces a kind of detente as people won’t sue you for fear of you suing them back. Until now HTC’s been naked. In an earlier review last year a panel at the US Patent and Trademark Office said S3/HTC’s patents couldn’t be used against Apple. HTC appealed and a review handed down yesterday upheld the patent’s validity and Apple is now in violation of them. Ironically it’s for the Mac PC line, not mobile devices. At least now HTC has some sort of leverage against all the litigation being thrown at them by Apple.
Here’s what HTC said…
“We are gratified by the USPTO’s decision, which proves again that buying the patents from S3 was a significant and correct move for HTC.”
“We will continue to defend our interests and fight actively against any companies that infringe on our rights,” it said.
Here's the full story...
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2012/07/12/2003537510

Interesting Article. The power of patents just sometimes amuses me. Google bought Motorola for the same thing.

I fainted since the third word :victory: It's S3 actually..
The S3 bought over isn't recent article, HTC actually taking risks on the bought over of S3 from VIA since both of them are Cher Wang's. The actions may lead to some legal issues by taiwan laws that prevent on "arm-length transactions", they seems already get a pass from the verdict though.

Thanks for the link
awesome news and about damn time
but you want to tell me that out of all these patents HTC only got two? that are still under review
is it really worth it?

hamdir said:
but you want to tell me that out of all these patents HTC only got two? that are still under review
is it really worth it?
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You tell me? Apple got HTC's new phones stopped at the border for weeks by U.S. Customs based on just one patent. If HTC can get an import ban applied to Apple's new retina display Mac Books they've just started selling I think that would probably get Apple's attention.
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I fainted since the third word :victory: It's S3 actually.
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Chips, graphics companies, they're all the same. Thanks, I fixed it.

Please tell me someone can sue apple for lte

These iHippies are copying Samsung and HTC with lte
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They'll try but it's not likely to effect anything.
Apple stocked up on LTE patents before the release, so likely this won't go anywhere.

I Am Marino said:
They'll try but it's not likely to effect anything.
Apple stocked up on LTE patents before the release, so likely this won't go anywhere.
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Not sure why you say that. It only takes one bullet to kill (and apple has already been trying to get sammy and htc's phones banned, so there's not exactly a deterrence factor here - indeed, one can say that they're forced to go on the offensive in order to force a settlement).
What I don't understand is the timeframe. As we all know, the wheels of "justice" work slowly, but it sort of seems like HTC's two LTE patents have already long been in consideration, and could lead to an ITC injunction soon. Not that I'm any expert in the patent system, mind you.

HTC is already in the process, Samsung is on their way too....
http://androidandme.com/2012/09/sma...ck-us-eu-sales-of-iphone-5-using-lte-patents/

I Am Marino said:
They'll try but it's not likely to effect anything.
Apple stocked up on LTE patents before the release, so likely this won't go anywhere.
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Apple obtaining LTE patents means nothing in the court of law. However, the patents from HTC and Samsung are considered FRAND patents afaik so they are unlikely to cause any type of injunction.

bozzykid said:
Apple obtaining LTE patents means nothing in the court of law.
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How so?
That meant a lot in a court of law when it came to Samsung.

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How so?
That meant a lot in a court of law when it came to Samsung.
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In terms of HTC or Samsung getting an injunction. It doesn't matter what patents Apple has, if they violate HTC or Samsung, they can be found guilty of infringement.
But, these patents are FRAND patents, which means they will not be given an preliminary injunction to ban sales even if the judge thanks they are infringing.

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Areg8_6 said:
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AFAIK, Google doesn't have any approved patents on any of those. They do some notification type patents but none that are exactly like the current JB notification system. And Google didn't invent any of those features as they all existed before they were included in Android.

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Google will never sue Apple directly and vice versa.
When and if this happens, mobile hell will break loose because one OS will die after it.

bozzykid said:
AFAIK, Google doesn't have any approved patents on any of those. They do some notification type patents but none that are exactly like the current JB notification system. And Google didn't invent any of those features as they all existed before they were included in Android.
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and Apple didn't invent ANYTHING but they are sueing EVERYONE!
btw. http://androidspin.com/2012/09/11/a...li-and-grocery-store-in-latest-legal-dispute/

Areg8_6 said:
and Apple didn't invent ANYTHING but they are sueing EVERYONE!
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you missed the blatantly obvious.. apple invented rectangles with rounded corners, the jury said so. because before apple, those shapes didnt exist :silly:

I Am Marino said:
Google will never sue Apple directly and vice versa.
When and if this happens, mobile hell will break loose because one OS will die after it.
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what do u think this can be avoided?
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simms22 said:
you missed the blatantly obvious.. apple invented rectangles with rounded corners, the jury said so. because before apple, those shapes didnt exist :silly:
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****ty U.S Patent office .....

bozzykid said:
Apple obtaining LTE patents means nothing in the court of law. However, the patents from HTC and Samsung are considered FRAND patents afaik so they are unlikely to cause any type of injunction.
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If they were FRAND, there would have been a big outcry by now, and the ITC judge of the HTC patents would probably have mentioned it. Instead, the outcry is limited to commenters who are highly opinionated and don't actually know anything.
"Apple claimed the existing 3G-related patents are standard essential patents (SEPs) according to our earlier commitment to the FRAND (fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory) terms. But the story is totally different when you talk about LTE patents. These are new and highly-valued," a source said in the article.
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thebobp said:
Not sure why you say that. It only takes one bullet to kill (and apple has already been trying to get sammy and htc's phones banned, so there's not exactly a deterrence factor here - indeed, one can say that they're forced to go on the offensive in order to force a settlement).
What I don't understand is the timeframe. As we all know, the wheels of "justice" work slowly, but it sort of seems like HTC's two LTE patents have already long been in consideration, and could lead to an ITC injunction soon. Not that I'm any expert in the patent system, mind you.
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If they requested the patent prior to trial they are fine. If during trial...they're screwed
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Areg8_6 said:
and Apple didn't invent ANYTHING but they are sueing EVERYONE!
btw. http://androidspin.com/2012/09/11/a...li-and-grocery-store-in-latest-legal-dispute/
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They may not have invented anything but they have a crap load of patents that says otherwise. Google has only recently started focusing on applying for patents for Android. They are way behind Apple in this regard. This is why they were forced to buy Motorola.

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Article on it here
http://mobile.businessweek.com/news...-challenged-by-apple-probably-valid-judge-say
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Hope HTC, slaps Apple stupid hard for being sneaky.
I love me HTC and Samsung. They are on some boss moves. HTC will probably stomp on them harder since they "Truly" are the first with the LTE stamp.. second is Samsung.
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