So is the Galaxy Nexus worth rooting right now? I understand when i root everything will be wiped. So im just wondering should i root now? I'm not seeing any ROMs thats catching my eye. Maybe when Cyanogen comes with a official ROM.
It's not rooting that wipes, your phone, it is unlocking the bootloader that does it. But unlocking the bootloader is needed to root. So that's being pedantic.
If you plan on staying with stock, but being rooted, then you should do it before setting up anything on your phone, because you will have to redo everything.
If you are planning on flashing a new ROM anyway, then I don't think it matters because most new ROM installations I've seen tell you to do a wipe anyway.
But I would suggest rooting the first thing, just so you can install titanium back up. This will let you restore app data after flashing a new ROM. Unless you enjoy replaying all 100+ Angry Birds levels and re-earning whatever achievements that you spent hours earning.
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So is the Galaxy Nexus worth rooting right now? I understand when i root everything will be wiped. So im just wondering should i root now? I'm not seeing any ROMs thats catching my eye. Maybe when Cyanogen comes with a official ROM.
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Being able to use Titanium backup and doing backups in CWM is worth it.
I don't see a need to rush out and root.
Custom roms are still in their infancy. Google seems to be pushing updates pretty quickly too. Custom roms still aren't perfect yet.
There are launchers and mods that seems pretty cool but thats up to you. I know once I start down the dark path of flashing... I won't come back. So I'm sticking to stock for a while until Google calms down on the updates.
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Maybe someone can throw a new guy a bone here? ....
One thing I had on my jailbroken iPhone was free tethering. My Xfinity went down the other day and I realized I couldn't tether my new Android without paying AT$T. So from what I understand, like the iPhone I need to root it and then download a third party tethering app?
If I root now, I'll probably be tempted to give Black Jelly or Frost ROMs a try. I know with this 'Odin' program or 'Nandroid' backup with CWP (still figuring all this out) I can switch between ROMS pretty easily. It takes me about an hour though to download all my apps and reconfig my phone after a reset though. I think Titanium backup or something solves this, but seems to me using something like that with custom ROM, as opposed to a 'clean' install and just start installing/configuring from scratch may pose higher risk of having issues?
So my question is, if I root and install custom ROM, how hard is it to get the official update installed, or any more official future updates installed if I decide I don't want to stay on a custom ROM?
Being an experimental person and my first time to Android, I'm sure I'm going to eventually cave (for sure root) and try a custom ROM. I see SO many posts though in these ROM forums with all sorts of little issues. I want to go back to stock and get official updates if I need to.
When the official jb drops there will most likely be some debloated version on here in a day or so. If you're rooted with a custom recovery it will take no time to install. I would also seriously consider titanium backup, it makes the process much easier.
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jazee said:
Maybe someone can throw a new guy a bone here? ....
So my question is, if I root and install custom ROM, how hard is it to get the official update installed, or any more official future updates installed if I decide I don't want to stay on a custom ROM?
Being an experimental person and my first time to Android, I'm sure I'm going to eventually cave (for sure root) and try a custom ROM. I see SO many posts though in these ROM forums with all sorts of little issues. I want to go back to stock and get official updates if I need to.
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There are two issues you mention: 1) Having a custom ROM and doing an Custom OTA, and 2) OTA with stock ROM and after you you have rooted your phone.
Stock ROM and OTA after Rooting
In times past, there have been vendors that look for rooting and refused to OTA the phone. Citing it violated warantee, contract, whatever. AT&T use to do it, but with current ROMs, especially with the S3, they simply turn off the SUID bit on /system/xbin/su during the update.(They turn off the Root modification, of sorts). The current OTA of 4.0.4 does this trick. Making near impossible to root afterwards.
Usually it is always best to flash back to stock to insure you get a clean OTA.
Some versions of rooting will allow you to keep root even after OTA, but I would not count on it.
The other issue that some forget is any modification to the ROM may trip a counter which may cause OTA's to fail. In the S3 there is a counter on how many times the ROM has been flashed by custom software. Once it is tripped, any warantee you have on the device is voided. You can see the information when you set your phone into flash mode.
There are programs to reset the counter, and other methods, but it gets pretty ugly and you can hard brick your phone in some cases. Just use them with care.
Custom ROM and OTA after Rooting
With custom ROM's rooting is the norm. OTA's will usually not affect them. In fact some OTA's will include updated 'su' programs. There are some custom ROM's that are not able to OTA.
So it sounds to me like if I plan on rooting to get the free tethering, I should always wait until there's a stock ROM available here and manually install it? That way, I don't lose my root and I don't increase the counter unnecessarily?
Thanks for your help.
how about if i were to hose my note 8 and need to recover to complete stock. is there anything out yet for the US WIFI version? just wondering as i might wait untill i root, install recovery etc...
I am downloading the UK version as per the suggestions in a post on the first page to this thread. I was told it is the same.I hosed mine trying the multi boot option on one of the dev threads, Cant get to my recovery so I'm kinda screwed.
dvigue said:
how about if i were to hose my note 8 and need to recover to complete stock. is there anything out yet for the US WIFI version? just wondering as i might wait untill i root, install recovery etc...
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Now the only way you can hose your stock firmware is to mess up a flash, or purposefully delete system files in the root.
With that said, you can safely root with Saferoot.zip. It does not flash our change your counter. So a OTA or Kies update will work as if you never touched the device.
Now that you have rooted safely, you can install Xposed framework and it's modules... they will not hose your device as they are boot only system options.
I recommend Ti backup pro, and Solid Explorer but be careful about doing anything in root, as their may be irreparable consequences without a proper ROM.
Now for recovery with a replacement ROM. There will be a new ROM release soon, so when it does come out, it will be available to download. That will be your best option to recover if needed. Note... The only way you will hose a device is through a bad flash. So I would stay away from flashing any custom bootloaders, recoverys, kernels or ROM. Until you read up and are well educated on proper flashing techniques. All I can say is stick with developers threads on the specific model and have given plenty of info on the subject. Never blindly take chances.
As for recovery after saferoot.zip... as long as you never flash afterwards, you will never need triangle away, which is a plus... all you need to do is do a factory restore. Yep, no need to run any un-rooting tools, though you can use Supersu's clean up for reinstall and reboot if you want before doing the factory reset.
I know, I have done plenty of testing with custom and factory ROMs. I have personally found no need for customized bootloaders or roms, once I have found where and what to tweak. What little benefit from the customized options that are available, were too little for the trouble involved.
I actually posted about how to mod your device using Xposed installer and 2 to 3 modules and thats all you need to get that really cool custom look if thats what you are going for. With Gravity Box and HK Themer you can mod away semi safely. You still need to be careful with any mod that makes changes in system.
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I'll get this out of the way first, I'm pretty new to rooting and flashing ROMs. The only thing I've ever rooted before was a free Kindle Fire I got from Amazon, and got some version of Android on it a looong time ago. Now I want to get LiquidSmooth on my Galaxy S3 i747. I'm completely willing to follow all noob guides by myself namely http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1802160]this one.
HOWEVER, since this is a phone from AT&T with a data plan, texting, and calling, and not some free Kindle with none of that, I'm extremely paranoid to do anything risking losing all these features. There's really no clear indication anywhere that this will or won't happen, since I assume this is either just extremely common knowledge, and most trouble shooting is about screwing up in general or bricking.
Rooting and flashing doesn't affect any if those things.
Think of it as a new operating system for your computer. New look, new feel same basic functions.
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I'll get this out of the way first, I'm pretty new to rooting and flashing ROMs. The only thing I've ever rooted before was a free Kindle Fire I got from Amazon, and got some version of Android on it a looong time ago. Now I want to get LiquidSmooth on my Galaxy S3 i747. I'm completely willing to follow all noob guides by myself namely http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1802160]this one.
HOWEVER, since this is a phone from AT&T with a data plan, texting, and calling, and not some free Kindle with none of that, I'm extremely paranoid to do anything risking losing all these features. There's really no clear indication anywhere that this will or won't happen, since I assume this is either just extremely common knowledge, and most trouble shooting is about screwing up in general or bricking.
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I have the same phone and there are a few things that are good to know that will help you and possibly keep you from making a bad choice.
Have you accepted the 4.3 OTA update from AT&T on the unit or...? If you have, then you have upgraded to a specific bootloader/modem and can no longer downgrade those items without causing problems.
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If you took the 4.3 OTA AT&T ROM update, your phone has the 4.3 mjb bootloader.
To confirm which bootloader is on your phone, boot into download mode and let us know what it says on your screen.
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If you did not take the update then you dont have these new items and your options are more open i guess.
First, your going to need to root your phone, without tripping the flash counter. There are lots of guides on how to do this, and it's pretty simple.
Secondly you will need to install a custom recovery such as ClockWorkMod or TWRP. I used CWM on my i747 and installed it using "ROM Manager" from the Play Store. It was amazingly simple and did the entire process for me.
Third you will need to choose the ROM you would like to try. There are a few different kinds, so happy hunting. I chose S3Rx and I love it. It's packed full of goodies and it seems that the Dev seems pretty good at answering any posts on his thread in this forum about the ROM.
Before you do any of that, you should verify what version your are running right now so you know what bootloader/modem you have, then go from there.
I just got back into this stuff myself and I love this phone. Good luck.
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I have the same phone and there are a few things that are good to know that will help you and possibly keep you from making a bad choice.
Have you accepted the 4.3 OTA update from AT&T on the unit or...? If you have, then you have upgraded to a specific bootloader/modem and can no longer downgrade those items without causing problems.
If you did not take the update then you dont have these new items and your options are more open i guess.
First, your going to need to root your phone, without tripping the flash counter. There are lots of guides on how to do this, and it's pretty simple.
Secondly you will need to install a custom recovery such as ClockWorkMod or TWRP. I used CWM on my i747 and installed it using "ROM Manager" from the Play Store. It was amazingly simple and did the entire process for me.
Third you will need to choose the ROM you would like to try. There are a few different kinds, so happy hunting. I chose S3Rx and I love it. It's packed full of goodies and it seems that the Dev seems pretty good at answering any posts on his thread in this forum about the ROM.
Before you do any of that, you should verify what version your are running right now so you know what bootloader/modem you have, then go from there.
I just got back into this stuff myself and I love this phone. Good luck.
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I had already flashed my phone after getting the verification from the last user. I was running 4.3, and am now running LiquidSmooth 3.0 Kitkat 4.4.2 now, with pretty much no problems at all. But thank you for your help.
Will it be good to root my Nexus 7 and what will be the precautions that should be taken after rooting it ,as I have heard about accidentally update can u make it clear for me.
And I also want to know that will I lose Android updates after rooting or custom ROM as Android update is the best part of Nexus.
I also want to know should I root my Nexus 7 (2013) or custom ROM it first.
Please give a brief sketch about custom ROM and rooting .which is safe ,easier,and how to root and custom ROM Nexus 7 and what are the precautions to be taken while doing this.
I would be very thankful for u...
Before you root I recommend you back up your data. Then unlock the bootloader. This will wipe all your data. Root has pros and cons. For starters, if you are on 5.0+ it's updates will fail to install. There are many to it techniques, but the easiest for me was to use the nexus root toolkit by wugfresh. Custom operating systems usually have more features, but usually more bugs as well. I own two nexus 7s. One is running 5.1.1 with the latest version of Xposed, the other has the custom ROM called VRToxin which is far more buggy but at the same time far more feature filled. If you install one, ALWAYS follow the instructions to a tee. Lastly, what I love most about root is the apps. Adaway removes ads from all apps. Titanium backup a lows me to backup all apps and there data. Root is usually safe, just be careful.
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Will it be good to root my Nexus 7 and what will be the precautions that should be taken after rooting it ,as I have heard about accidentally update can u make it clear for me.
And I also want to know that will I lose Android updates after rooting or custom ROM as Android update is the best part of Nexus.
I also want to know should I root my Nexus 7 (2013) or custom ROM it first.
Please give a brief sketch about custom ROM and rooting .which is safe ,easier,and how to root and custom ROM Nexus 7 and what are the precautions to be taken while doing this.
I would be very thankful for u...
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You should root if you want more features, want to customize more. But you should be ready to invest time and read through forum posts to learn more. You should not root if you are happy with what you have got and is not ready to take some risks. Of course it is not risky it you do your homework before doing anything and follow instructions clearly. Yes, you will lose OTA updates. But it doesn't matter. You can always flash the latest stock ROM if you want, which will be available right here in XDA.
If you want to root, first thing you should do is to unlock the bootloader. You can use any of the toolkits available to do that. Then only you can root. Unlocking the bootloader will wipe your data. (I don't remember if the internal storage is wiped, look it up) But after this first instance of data loss, then it's more easy. You can do backups and clean install, or dirty flash. You should install a custom bootloader (like TWRP). I use the multirom TWRP. Multirom is interesting which will allow you to install more than one ROM at once and dual boot easily. You can look up about it. You can then install any ROM you want.
Now sticking with the stock ROM or going for a custom one is your preference. Custom ROMs have many features baked right in. Some custom Roms (like cyanogenmod) even has OTA updates. Personally I like to use stockish ROM and use xposed to get the features I want. Xposed is another super tool which you should look at.
Now talking about precautions, always do a backup before doing anything. This is the no. 1 and the most important one. Personally, I have never done any backing up till now. But I am just careless and have been very lucky. Also, Google is getting better at doing app backups automatically. And most of my data is uploaded to the cloud anyway. As far as I know, it is impossible to hard brick Nexus 7. That means you can always rectify any problems that arise by giving your time. Unless you do something which damages the hardware.
Your friend is this forum. Read through posts and learn things. But be prepared to lose a lot of your time. You are warned!!
Hi I am convinced that I want to root my Nexus 7 2013 LTE & remain on stock MMB29V. I have tried using NRT to root however always ended in bootloop & have to reflash stock under softbrick condition. Please point me to a tutorial that works thanks
iluvatrix said:
Hi I am convinced that I want to root my Nexus 7 2013 LTE & remain on stock MMB29V. I have tried using NRT to root however always ended in bootloop & have to reflash stock under softbrick condition. Please point me to a tutorial that works thanks
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Read the FAQ linked in the OP of the NRT thread...
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Unlocking and rooting is easy. In order for obtaining root to be beneficial, you have to know how it works. Somewhere between trial-and-error and reading is where knowledge is gained, and knowledge trumps everything in the world of software modification. I never bothered asking any questions, but spent thousands of hours trying and reading for myself.
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You should root if you want more features, want to customize more. But you should be ready to invest time and read through forum posts to learn more. You should not root if you are happy with what you have got and is not ready to take some risks. Of course it is not risky it you do your homework before doing anything and follow instructions clearly. Yes, you will lose OTA updates. But it doesn't matter. You can always flash the latest stock ROM if you want, which will be available right here in XDA.
If you want to root, first thing you should do is to unlock the bootloader. You can use any of the toolkits available to do that. Then only you can root. Unlocking the bootloader will wipe your data. (I don't remember if the internal storage is wiped, look it up) But after this first instance of data loss, then it's more easy. You can do backups and clean install, or dirty flash. You should install a custom bootloader (like TWRP). I use the multirom TWRP. Multirom is interesting which will allow you to install more than one ROM at once and dual boot easily. You can look up about it. You can then install any ROM you want.
Now sticking with the stock ROM or going for a custom one is your preference. Custom ROMs have many features baked right in. Some custom Roms (like cyanogenmod) even has OTA updates. Personally I like to use stockish ROM and use xposed to get the features I want. Xposed is another super tool which you should look at.
Now talking about precautions, always do a backup before doing anything. This is the no. 1 and the most important one. Personally, I have never done any backing up till now. But I am just careless and have been very lucky. Also, Google is getting better at doing app backups automatically. And most of my data is uploaded to the cloud anyway. As far as I know, it is impossible to hard brick Nexus 7. That means you can always rectify any problems that arise by giving your time. Unless you do something which damages the hardware.
Your friend is this forum. Read through posts and learn things. But be prepared to lose a lot of your time. You are warned!!
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Hey tank u alot for ur answer . It has helped me alot and made me clear but can u tell me more briefly about about coistom boot loader TWRP and multirom is kind of coustom ROM or what?? And which are the OTA updates receiving roms ??? After rooting if I hav a coustom ROM ,should I need to install OTA updates external??? And installing OTA updates externaly is wat called flash ???is it a too lenghty procss .
But bro tumbs up to your answer ....thank you alottt.....?????????
I'm really keen on rooting just for the customisation options. I'd rather not lose warranty for sticking a custom boot animation and custom fonts on the device. In all likelihood that's all I'll ever need root for. I'm assuming this (rooting with a locked bootloader) is possible, but no method has been discovered yet?
In the meantime, any other suggestions on customising the phones font / boot animation? Is this possible without root? I've tried custom launchers (apex, nova, go, the Microsoft one I've forgotten the name of) but honestly prefer the stock one.
I wouldn't say it's possible. At least not in Android versions after Lollipop when Kingroot etc could do the job. That was some time ago though. Sorry, you'll have to unlock bootloader if you want to root that's just the way it is today.
Oh well, guess I'll forego my warranty then. Only another 7 days to go until I can unlock it haha.
the only thing stopping me from rooting is the fact ill lose android pay which ive really become a fan of lately. Before this i rooted every android phone i had. i would advise u to think long and hard before rooting in case u regret it.
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... ill lose android pay...
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No, you'll not. Just be sure to flash stock nougat rom, not deodexed one. And don't use supersu/phh's, only Magisk. You will get root and certified play store at same. Read my post here for more information :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72382305&postcount=22